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ESOTERICshade ago

Thanx for the post. I will give it a look. This is the same sicko that harassed a member of our sub.

Honeybee_ ago

Thank you, and yes, I included a link to @EffYouJohnPodesta's post above under "harasses #pedogate and #pizzagate researchers", it was the first thing Mike sent to me ♡

DeathToMasonsASAP ago

Do you still have those FBI criminal complaint forms? We really need to get evidence to the FBI so they can make some arrest.

EffYouJohnPodesta ago

It looked like she already turned them in... thanks for this comment though https://imgur.com/a/t9mptNb

Are_we_sure ago

Also featured in my video, linked above, you can see more proof of Cheese Pizza being used as a code word for Child Pornography in many Dark Web forums pre-dating the Wikileaks release of the Podesta emails.

Podesta never used Cheese Pizza

Why are you worried about "Cheese Pizza" being used before the Podesta email leak? It was in use on 4chan since 2004. We know this. We also know something else "Cheese Pizza" was never used a single time by anyone in John Podesta's emails. Zero use of "cheese pizza." In fact, no code was used Podesta's emails.

We know that there was a fake code list posted by an anonymous internet user. However the list is a complete fraud BECAUSE THAT LIST is the one for which there's no evidence before the Podesta leak.

Cheese Pizza is from POST CP requests on 4chan

We know that Cheese Pizza comes from the term CP widely used on places like 4chan for Child Pornography. In fact, it was so widely used POST CP was a meme

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/574/970/038.png
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/post-cp

Post CP is an acronym in which CP can have a variety of meanings. Initially used as an acronym for 4chan posters to indirectly mention or request a child pornography thread, in later years the acronym became commonly associated with the posting of other subjects with the same first letters (C & P, most notably "Cheese Pizza") to parody prohibited request threads or to troll those who hope to find child pornography.

Cheese Pizza started as a joke

To parody the people actually requesting CP, aka child pornography, people would post other forms of CP like

Captain Picard

https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/574946-post-cp

Chocolate Pudding

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/574/923/5b7.jpg https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/574901-post-cp

Cheese Pizza not only has nothing to do with Podesta it doesn't even match the fake podesta code list.

Cheese Pizza is a 4chan joke for CP aka Child Porn. Cheese Pizza is never mentioned by Podesta in his emails or anyone else in his emails. Search wikileaks. It appears zero times.

Now let's look at the fake code list. This is completely a HOAX list of words that was created AFTER the PODESTA leak. Software to analyze datasets for commonly used words are really easy to use. Can you tell what this word cloud is about? http://www.robweir.com/blog/images/moby_cloud.png

Here's the fake code list. https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2016/12/07/pizzagate/daaa6b3b2a4ae2f0d1d1a18456d77ed4436b8ca0/images/4chan-terms.png

According this HOAX, pizza is girl and cheese is little girl. So cheese pizza is Little Girl Girl which makes no sense. This is to be expected because this is completely fake list of code that has nothing to do with Podesta. You still see people claim that this list came from the FBI. It Didn't. Or that it came from Wikileaks. It didn't.

It's a hoax.

It's pretty funny to think John Podesta would use 4chan memes, but people really got invested in this to the point where Honeybee is still confusing this two years later.

mrohm ago

You sure love to defend Podesta, David.

auralsects ago

dude your game is off lately

the absence of 'cheese' before pizza in the emails means nothing

no one took that anon's list seriously or claimed it had any significance

and if chocolate pudding joke was devised its not surprising cheese pizza was also. its a coincidence.

go to Instagram and search the hashtag "pizzabutt" or some such thing and youll see tons of pedos, BDSM camwhores with pentagram pizza tattoos and pics of IRL satan worship. this example im describing took less than one minute to find.vhttps://www.instagram.com/p/BohQ6dJno5m/?taken-by=lillyluedeetz

Are_we_sure ago

the absence of 'cheese' before pizza in the emails means nothing no one took that anon's list seriously or claimed it had any significance

Means nothing? Then why Honeybee trying to find citations for cheese pizza?

No one took it seriously? It's one of the tenet's of pizzagate that Podesta emails contained code and they did not.

The whole investigation rests on a foundation of tissue paper.

mrohm ago

"Pizza related map." "Pizza for an hour" "Dominoes on cheese or pasta"

Extremely expensive "pizza" and "hot dogs."

Are_we_sure ago

"Pizza related map."

Absolutely not code. Food maps, particularly of Italy are pretty common graphics. You can find them with regional wines or regional pastas and you can certainly find them with pizza.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/70/e9/06/70e906ab57154d45c6bffbda4f60f2c8--italia-map-kitchen-linens.jpg

https://rlv.zcache.com/italia_kitchen_towel-r4db558fc02154f4985d13583ec8d69cb_2cf6l_8byvr_540.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/f4/a8/8b/f4a88b3e21bf3c589d46fc7aee80275b--cynthia-rowley-bella-italia.jpg

"Pizza for an hour"

This is pretty clearly is Tony asking if John has time for a quick bite. Getting pizza over a fancier dinner means you know you can get in an out quickly, because pizza cooks fast. It actually make far less sense if you are thinking about it in terms of child abuse.

"Dominoes on cheese or pasta"

This simply means playing dominoes with a belly full of cheese or pasta. It's like saying on coffee or on drugs. The context of the email makes this clear, Podesta used to give out pasta as Christmas gifts and changed to giving out cheese.

Extremely expensive "pizza" and "hot dogs."

This was gossip from a guy in Texas who had no inside information about the Obama White House. In fact, he hated Obama and was repeating a fake right wing story about a real pizza party Obama had. The expense was not supposed be the Pizza and hot dogs itself....and hot dogs were not even involved....but the cost to taxpayers to fly them in. It was a fake story about Obama wasting money. From a prevous comment.

The $65,000 hot dog party guy? Not a White House insider. A guy who worked in Texas with no first hand knowledge of the White House and certainly not an Obama insider, he hated Obama. AND he just repeating a fake story that was going around on the right wing blogs and talk shows. After Obama had the pizza chef of a St Louis Pizzeria come to the White House to make pizza, right wing blogs started saying he wasted a bunch of taxpayer money just to eat pizza. (Actually the pizza chef bought the ingredients himself.)

https://twitter.com/TinaTerrell63/status/1507199272 https://twitter.com/ImADirtyBubble/status/1543687256 https://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/13226-obamas-pizza-party-at-taxpayers-tab/ http://web.archive.org/web/20090414041936/http://minx.cc/?post=285771 http://web.archive.org/web/20090414090535/http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2009/04/10/right-wing-slams-barack-obama-for-ordering-pizza-really

(Also note how nobody lost their mind and started claiming pizza = pedophilia. That had to wait for the psyops on social media to mature. In fact, read this article about the St Louis pizza guy all the way to end to blow your mind. https://www.stlmag.com/dining/Pi-at-The-White-House-on-Fox-and-Friends-on-Great-Day-St-Louis/))

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2477265

mrohm ago

Even if you are right, that doesn't mean that they're "obviously" about food. You would have to know about Italian food maps, and suss out the weird language as no one says, "I did X on pasta/cheese." You do things "on" drugs or possibly people, not food. "I watched that movie on acid," "I was high on pot," etc.

Stratfor employees talked about the pizza/dogs party. Hardly right wing bloggers.

Are_we_sure ago

I never said obviously and you are turning this whole thing around. Great claims require great evidence. The burden of proof is on the people making this wild claim. Since they are making such a great claim, their arguments should be viewed with the highest skeptcism and they never came close to meeting this burden. The ones claiming its code is used had any real evidence at all for that claim.

And Let's remember they were not conducting an investigation in good faith. They were perpetrating a deliberate fraud with the intent of making their political enemies look guilty.

However, if you were conducting an investigation in good faith, you don't have to know about Italian food maps or suss out weird language to know that just because you are confused by what strangers are talking about you can't simply make a a giant leap of speculation and assume their guilty. That's not good faith, that's not intellectually honest. That's determining someone is guilty before you look at the evidence, that's manufacturing the proof of guilt by manipulating evidence.

I don't think it's obvious or expect most Americans to know about pasta with walnut sauce, but it's a real Italian dish and I know that because I looked into and this is why my explanations to you are CORRECT. Yes, there linens with maps and pizza do exist and in fact are common. You can't simply assume pasta with walnut sauce is code simply because it sounds strange to you. That's not a good investigation. Your suspicion is not evidence You can't manufacture evidence from your own ignorance. The entire evidence that pasta with walnut sauce is code is it sounds weird to most people because they never heard of it. However, if someone spent 15 seconds investigating the claim about walnut sauce you would know it's not. You can get all these recipes and many more within 15 seconds via a google search.

Pasta With Walnut Sauce and Broccoli Raab Recipe - NYT Cooking Pasta with Walnut Sauce Recipe | Nigella Lawson | Food Network The real Italian Riviera walnut sauce - asmallkitcheningenoa Pasta with Herbed Walnut Sauce - Ciao Chow Bambina Walnut sauce - Caroline's Cooking A Simple Walnut Sauce Recipe for Pasta and Gnocchi - The Spruce Eats

You can buy it pre-made https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41Zcp7k1MUL.jpg

If you spent a little more time investigating you find it's from Ligurian in Northern Italy, same place pesto (basil and pinenuts) sauce is from AND where Podesta's family is from.

Spend a lot more time investigating and you would find John Podesta is a serious foodie (as an Italian it never struck me as odd to be spending so much time talking about food, especially pizza) and a gourmet cook and you can find his walnut sauce recipe online https://i.pinimg.com/474x/d8/1c/13/d81c13a4715ae6ae6270b9bb3f0acee1--john-podesta-list.jpg

and even see a video of him making it

https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a20785768/political-guru-podesta-wins-age-group-at-capitol-hill-10k/

Just a starting point for a good faith investigation, it's just highly unlikely for any code to be used in private emails between friends. It's also pretty improbable for outsiders to exactly crack that code. It would be odd for a small group of people who are knew each other to use a pre-existing code known to others. A honest investigation involves humility and being aware of what you know for a fact and what you don't.

Stratfor employees talked about the pizza/dogs party. Hardly right wing bloggers.

The main Statfor guy was repeating a righ wing rumor and had no inside information. In fact, he hated Obama. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2477265

mrohm ago

True enough. The real evidence is Tony's child porn "art." Nobody normal collects such things, no matter how much you write in defence, same as someone decorating their den with Holocaust photos or photos of crime victims.

Are_we_sure ago

more deciding guilt first then looking for reasons, more non-evidence. more argument from incredulity. more terrible art criticism

Nobody normal collects such things

Same massive leap of someone doesn't share my tastes therefore child trafficking cannibals.

mrohm ago

People into Beyonce don't share my tastes, but I don't call them anything. It's child porn. I have dealt with paedos in the past who appealed to "art" as justification for hentai of eight year olds and tentacles, or compared CP to Renaissance cherubs.

It's nonsense.

I like Aubrey Beardsley. Beardsley was accused of being a homosexual because he hung out with people like Oscar Wilde. I'm not homosexual, but I know that it carries that connotation and don't whinge about "muh art" if people remark on my Beardsley bric a brac.

auralsects ago

false, an extensive code is not a 'tenet.' just references to pizza and other everyday foods that have been identified like donuts and possibly hot dogs.

I have no idea what you are talking about but dozens of jokes devised, copy paper, club penguin, captain picard, even this one

that's the point is there were dozens, making cheese pizza an inevitability wholly independent of the decades-old 'pizza = pedophilia' theme which presumably started from the way in which sauce is spread

ESOTERICshade ago

Not sure I believe in hell Are_We _Sure but if there were one your ass would be in it.

mrohm ago

He's obviously a Brock/Media Matters/CTR/ShareBlue shill.

EffYouJohnPodesta ago

He regularly comes to troll all posts claiming he knows better than the rest of the world what John Podesta meant when he wrote every thing in every email. It almost seems as if he works for him. Very invested.

ESOTERICshade ago

Thanx for the downvote to my above comment @EricKaliberhall. You don't miss many of my comments with your down vote do you?

dandelion2319 ago

I upvoted you to make up for it.

DeathToMasonsASAP ago

This should surprise nobody.

ESOTERICshade ago

Teenage drama. I'm getting burned out on it. I miss the days when the good researchers were here at the sub.

Fall is here and winter is coming. I have other shit to do anyway. I need to winterize the motorhome. I need to plant Rye grass in the yard on the side of my house. This is Rye grass planting season but i'm gonna wait one week when the cool snap rolls in. I need to put another heater in the houseboat because i'm not gonna winterize it, i'm gonna stay in it some more until shit freezes over.

I just put siding on a house. I have one more house to put siding on. I have plenty of shit to do. This sub was sort of an escape from my real life but now I think I should escape from this sub because the gubmint here is into controlling mindthink.

I'm bored as hell. I might get a Mavic Pro drone and fly it around and look for wild pigs. I dunno....

Shizy ago

Blah, blah, blah, no one cares

think- ago

I think I should escape from this sub because the gubmint here is into controlling mindthink.

The sooner, the better.

@EricKaliberhall @Vindicator @ben_matlock @Crensch

EricKaliberhall ago

This is a dark and sad day indeed. Based on the information we have at this moment, it would appear that @ESOTERICshade has been victimized. He is the victim of a downvote. I can tell that you are honest about your horrible experience and that your feelings are genuinely hurt. You are a brave man for speaking out. I will examine any and all evidence put forward and I will do so meticulous.

First, thank you for allowing me to make my statement. I wrote it myself, no one has seen a draft, or it. This is my statement.

@ESOTERICshade has publicly accused me of an unprovoked downvoate on his comment above. I deny this allegation categorically and unequivocally. I am innocent.

I demand an bipartisan investigation to clear my good Swedish name. I will not let my reputation be drag thru the mud because of some baseless allegations. I am being MeToo'd @EffYouJohnPodesta is also a victim of a downvote that I am being blamed for. This aggression against me will not stand. I am innocent.

I believe you both when you say you've been victimized and I think both of you are brave for speaking out, even though you may appear weak and pathetic in the eyes of others. As a community I honestly believe we will overcome this serial assault and that we together can prevent this from ever happening again. WWG1WGA

@Vindicator @think-

Shizy ago

There are a group of posters who make the same allegations as esoteric and continuously whine that people follow them areoind and downvoat every comment they make. I'm beginning to think all these people are either the same person or a group working together.

DeathToMasonsASAP ago

Just another mod having adversarial relationships with the members, trolling them and downvoating them instead of being impartial moderators. My stalkers delete my threads and send me pm's saying "Deal with it!". Pedo pedo pedo mods roam our halls.

zyklon_b ago

laughing muh ass off

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EffYouJohnPodesta ago

You know what is more pathetic than this? The day that you first accused me of being a shill for responding to him. Also, the time that you called me a cunt, oh wait, that was like 100 times. I read through your other comments and see how nice you are to other people. It seems that you can't handle it when other people talk to people you don't like. That's kind of controlling.

ESOTERICshade ago

Go fuck yourself immature little boy.

EffYouJohnPodesta ago

There are some things I wouldn't have the guts to mock and MeToo is one of them. Especially on a post about the man sending me retaliatory child snuff films. I think Erik forgot why he came to this board in the first place.

ESOTERICshade ago

The rest of our mods are pretty cool. I disagree with @vindicator about the Q thing but i'm not hostile about it. When he and I spar about it we don't even down vote each other. We may even joke about it later. But Eric, he is a toxic and doesn't belong here.

DeathToMasonsASAP ago

Vindy is worst mod in this sub. Deletes and labels any threads exposing Trump, promotes Q, deletes threads about the Canadian holocaust of children.

Crensch ago

We may even joke about it later. But Eric, he is a toxic and doesn't belong here.

@EricKaliberhall, it seems ESOTERIC has decided to shower you in compiments here! I don't personally know much about you, but given this comment, I'm quite happy you found yourself on the mod team.

@Vindicator, you did a good job modding this one. @think- do we have a pizzagate repository for compliments where we could store this one?

ESOTERICshade ago

I think he was @kevdude pick when Falcon left but i'm not sure. I could be wrong. He is still an insufferable prick. That is all.

think- ago

I think he was @kevdude pick when Falcon left but i'm not sure. I could be wrong.

Yes, you're totally wrong, @EsotericShade. @EricKaliberhall was my and @Vindicator's pick.

Love it, take it, or leave it.

@Crensch

Vindicator ago

For the record, @EricKaliberhall was one of a few people who responded to my call for mods (at a time when that meant standing in front of the firing squad everyday) in a sticky I put up six months before Falcon was demodded. So was @ben_matlock. I carefully vetted every single person who responded to that thread, and watched them for months to make sure they were mod material before inviting folks to come take the heat.

@Crensch

ESOTERICshade ago

Yall need to find something to do and stop spending so much time on Voat. I think its affecting your mind.

think- ago

Yall need to find something to do and stop spending so much time on Voat.

You know why I spend time here on Voat on my day off?

Because you were caught upvoat and downvoat brigading.

I'm not amused.

I think its affecting your mind.

Project much?

Eric got caught being a prick.

I don't give a shit what you think about Eric or any of the other mods.

Yall act like the fucking mafia.

Take your whining somewhere else.

Yall need to chill.

Take your advice and plug it into your ass.

@Vindicator @EricKaliberhall @ben_matlock @Crensch

think- ago

Yall need to find something to do and stop spending so much time on Voat.

You now why I spend time here on Voat ON MY DAY OFF?

Because you were caught upvoat and downvoat brigading.

I'm not amused. Not at all.

I think its affecting your mind.

Project much?

Eric got caught being a prick.

I don't give a shit what you think about Eric or any of the other mods.

Yall act like the fucking mafia.

Take your whining somewhere else.

Yall need to chill.

Take your advice and plug it into your ass.

EffYouJohnPodesta ago

I did not realize that the prick posting had stopped. Seems more like there's a tag team revolving door of being a prick going on.

ESOTERICshade ago

I'm not gonna deal with this shit anymore. Its been cathartic, but fuck em.

think- ago

I'm not gonna deal with this shit anymore.

That's great news.

Don't forget to delete your accounts before you leave.

GAME OVER.

@Vindicator @Crensch @EricKaliberhall

Shizy ago

Please let this be true!!!! He just needs to go and take his hostility and shit attitude with him!

Crensch ago

I'm not wrong, and I'm glad you think so. Gives me confidence that he is probably a decent mod.

ESOTERICshade ago

Too immature. Never seen the retard say anything beyond a one broken short phrase that sounded like it was written by a 14 year old.

Crensch ago

Do you read what you write before you hit "submit"?

ESOTERICshade ago

I"m not even interested in talking about that brat. I have better things to do.

Crensch ago

You're going to have a really bad week.

Crensch ago

@think- @Vindicator @EricKaliberhall

I'm a goddamn prophet.

Vindicator ago

Indeed :-)

DeathToMasonsASAP ago

You sound like a stalker. I picture Montagraph. Obsessed with somebody else's week.

Vindicator ago

How did you find your way this far down the comment tree in a four-day-old post, Death? You weren't even pinged. Are you an EsotericShade alt as well?

@Crensch

ESOTERICshade ago

You're going to have a really bad week.

In order for you to make that happen you need to send some goons to the river where I will be fishing and have them "accidentally boat accident me" because other than that you can't ruin my week. I don't take this internet shit as seriously as you do, obviously............

Crensch ago

In order for you to make that happen you need to send some goons to the river where I will be fishing and have them "accidentally boat accident me" because other than that you can't ruin my week. I don't take this internet shit as seriously as you do, obviously............

Nobody believes you.

ESOTERICshade ago

Nobody believes you.

Tell it to my my houseboat, bassboat, big screen TV/ with wifi, and these damn ducks that shit all over the back deck on my houseboat. I need to stop feeding them Cheerios because now they sit on the back deck of the boat and wait for Cheerios, while they shit. Now THAT sort of pisses me off, but you don't piss me off. My life is wayyyyy too good to let you get under my skin.

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Shizy ago

Again, too much blah blah that no one cares about!

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EffYouJohnPodesta ago

What an authentic mod.

Crensch ago

What a stupid comment.

EffYouJohnPodesta ago

You never know who you're really talking to on the internet. Voat is the only place I've ever hung out on for long periods of time where everyone except me is using anonymous alts. I have a bad memory for usernames and passwords and too many things going on with all my children so I always end up re-identifying myself to my friends on here when I lose my account.

ESOTERICshade ago

You could always become anonymous again if you want to.

EffYouJohnPodesta ago

might be a good plan