Long ago, back in the days of Millennial_Falcon, Amalek-style spammers would occasionally be activated to attack this place. MF would start simply banning anyone that posted the same drivel, and nobody really seemed to mind save a few times a possibly innocent user was caught in the ban wave.
Since the Jem777 shills are still going strong on their attacks of the users, mods, voat, and their sliding of the forum and misleading of the researchers, the idea of doing the same has been floated past me.
I thought perhaps flairs would work better - the normies still allow CSS and would see the flair, while the goat-tier would see right through the subversives right away.
With some of the more well-liked usernames, I'll be sure to make a post detailing the justification of their flair. With others, they're either nobodies and not worth that kind of time, or you can click on their comments page and see why they have been flaired.
Many of us have lost someone here that we thought were decent users, or even really good users while some haven't. Either way, it's silly to think that everyone you know here that posts isn't now getting paid to veer off course, or hasn't been paid this entire time to infiltrate and try to sabotage from the inside. Many of these "users" were caught here, and many vindicated. You're welcome to crawl down all those rabbit holes that the mods have had to deal with the past few weeks if you like.
Flairs may be used, going forward, for the following:
@Jem777 was a disinfo troll into weird shit and is objectively a liar. Though not all put together, @srayzie made some posts on it. 1 2
@Gothamgirl is objectively a liar and accused @srayzie of criminal acts while showing that she is pathological in her lying.
@RIPJem you only need to click on the comment history to see why this user would have flair.
@Piscina might earn a flair soon for this accusation of mod removals of relevant threads.
Some other users may earn flair soon - some you may have liked or appreciated. Each one will have a post HERE for their attacks on this place so the users can see for themselves, and argue their case for any username they happen to like.
Throwaway names and aged sock puppets will require no explanation unless the users here decide it is necessary.
SOMEthing needs to be done about what's happening here, and the mod team is small and limited in resources and time. The line must be drawn somewhere, and we are all doing what we can to stick to Voat's free-speech principles while limiting the negative effects of paid pedo-protectors on everyone here in PG.
If we get user input, the mods will go with the consensus. If not, the mods will try to work out a system that is agreeable on their own.
From @Vindicator:
It should be noted that there are many creative ways that username flares could be deployed, including some positive ones like a gold star or something for people's favorite researchers. People should think about this and share any ideas they have.
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Are_we_sure ago
Do you really think people are paid to come here. Why?
Crensch ago
Are_we_sure ago
Jem777 wasn't paid to be here as some Disinfo op. She had mental health issues.
Crensch ago
@Vindicator @srayzie @think-
How would you know that?
Vindicator ago
It's completely plausible that Jem was mentally ill and being manipulated by handlers to cause chaos and fear here.
@Are_we_sure as a long, multi-account history of attempting to ((( Correct the Record ))) here, often with partial information used as "evidence". The Jem disruption forum attack would not have been possible without his weird provocative comments to her 10 months ago which she took as death threats, then repeatedly referenced to other users as "evidence" that mods were corrupt and not to be trusted.
That drama then lay dormant like a land mine until two weeks ago when George Webb, who has admitted to being Mossad, claimed she died in a DC hotel. The news posted here triggered a chorus of "AWS murdered Jem" with threats to dox him. Throughout that mess, AWS made several odd requests of mods -- to post and sticky a thread for him so he could respond, since his CCP is too low to make submissions (we did not), as well as DMs to me suggesting mods were opening Voat to legal liability.
It is still not clear to me what is going on, but I think it wise to consider the possibility AWS played an active role in helping instigate the forum disruption while wearing the victim mantle. He may well be telling the truth when he says he knows Jem had mental health issues.
@think- @srayzie
IWorshipQAnon ago
Are we sure seems like a correct the record person or someone with insider knowledge he kind of reminds me of Kamil Beylant actually. I really don't think George Webb is Mossad but I think he might be FBI. one of his recent videos he explained that he claimed to be mossad very short term as a way to get mossad people to talk to him. Seems like an FBI kind of thing to do not saying I trust the FBI at all
Are_we_sure ago
A very succesful history at that. If my partial information is misleading, then show where am I wrong.
Things I've been correct about.
George Webb is a goof. (Took me about 45 seconds.) EDIT: Wow you bring up Webb in your theory. Is DarkMath still around? Go ask him my thoughts on Webb. I was first introduced to Webb because folks on the PG board got all hepped about him. I visiting his channel and found he was making a completely bonkers claim Eric Braverman was missing because he hadn't posted on twitter. The PG forum used on wait with baited breath for his videos like people do for Q drops these days. Took them many, many months to sour on Webb.
The pizzagate list of "code words" is fake and didn't exist prior to Podesta's emails coming out.
True Pundit is fake, his specific report on the Weiner laptop a straight out hoax. A hoax that had been circulating for several days before his report.
The Jeffrey Dahmer case has nothing to do with Pizzagate, nothing to do with Louis Bourgeois, her Arches series was started before Dahmer was arrested and she discussed her actual imitation many times.
The Scalia 'vineyard' image is a fake.
The claim that Hillary Clinton had a long interest in Laura Silsby is false and is based on a document a State Department employee found on the website of Silsby's church after she was arrested.
The claim the Bill Clinton intervened diplomatically is contradicted by the contemporaneous records AND the newspaper that made the claim, dropped it.
The claim that Alefantis can be connected to Silsby is false and relies on the word of her fake conman convict lawyer and there's no evidence whatsoever she went to an orphanage connected to Alefantis's friend Max Maccoby. And there's plenty of evidence of which orphanages she actually did go to.
The "pizza and hotdogs" email was written by an Obama hater with no inside information passing along a false right-wing meme.
The issues I've debunked leave the basic foundation for the whole pizzagate theory with gaping holes. Feel free to address them in good faith any time, Vindicator.
So it's on me? Not her lies and mental illness. Wow. let's see where you are going with this.
Wait. It's odd to want a space to respond to claims that I'm a murderer? Seriously?
Calling someone a murderer is Libel per se, a much, much lower standard of libel where damages are automatic.
libel per se. n. broadcast or written publication of a false statement about another which accuses him/her of a crime, immoral acts, inability to perform his/her profession, having a loathsome disease (like syphilis) or dishonesty in business.
Voat has a button to report "Content contains or links to content that is illegal." It seemed to me that Voat was not enforcing this.
Given the false claims that I was a murderer, given that this claims found their way onto Reddit and YouTube, the calls to dox me and worse, had shit spiraled out of control, yes, I could see legal liability for leaving these false claims up. I'm not a lawyer and don't know how that would play out, but if my personal IRL life got affected by some joke on an internet board I would want my day in court.*
*Reading up on the CDA I might not have a case https://www.socalinternetlawyer.com/defamation-internet-forums/
What was I saying about this place and paranoia? You're wrong dude. I was the canary in the coal mine. I was the first target of her craziness. This would have happened eventually with her, it just would have a different start.
How does the poem go? *First they came for Are_We_Sure? and I did not speak out...
I will give you props for being decent during the first days of this. Because you knew there was no death threat and you were the target of her crazy behavior.
For the record. I had no idea who the person behind the screenname was. The last time I thought of her before all this was the last time she posted on the forums. I had no idea she was basically living near DC and running around with George Webb. If you got folks doing coordinated attacks on this place it ain't me.
Vindicator ago
It's odd to not reply in the thread the accusations were made in, where people would see them in context, yes.
Libel requires a real person be damaged, AWS, as I'm sure you are well aware. How can an anonymous online persona completely unconnected to your real life identity, livelihood, and social network be libeled? Also, it's in the Voat User Agreement that users may not profit in any way from Voat; therefore there is no material damage that could be claimed.
Are_we_sure ago
Because as you just pointed out.. "AWS, Aas I'm sure you're aware"....I'm not completely anonymous. I have a consistent pseudonyms and I'm pretty sure courts have held, you can libel a pseudonymous person.....
Well Vindicator, as you definitely aware, there were calls to dox me on the same page as the libel. That would tend to kick things up a notch and there were active doxing attempts. I was accussed of being a specific criminal on some fully anonymous part of Voat.
A. They were made in many threads. Repeatedly.
B. My comments tend to get buried.
A thread seemed reasonable to me. Especially if I needed on link to point to to non Voat users as this did spread beyond Voat. And I did ask regular users who had questions to start a thread.
That point on the user agreement just seems weird. I'm not profiting from Voat. Recovering damages is not profiting. Also it would be up to the court to determine if Voat contributed to the damages.
After looking into it, I think the law protecting website's from the illegal content of written by their users is the stronger shield, but in this case we had a combination of factors, the libel, the call to reveal my identity meaning the libel would be connected to my real life identity and livelihood and the calls for revenge. Given that we had these combination of factors, and Voat's moderators were aware of them, would Voat still be protected? I don't know the answer to that. Also if things did get out hand, I would probably need to subpoena IPs.
Voat and you did eventually step in about the doxing which I do appreciate, but that was a bit delayed. The first thread still has a post saying I was involved in her death call to hack me. And my guess is that delay was because it involved me and because this crew had "worked over" the refs before.
think- ago
No, you can't. 'Are_We_Sure' is a fictious personality.
You would still have been able to all of these comments.
But they don't get deleted. Anyone can read them when clicking on 'show'.
You need only ten CCP to submit a post on Voat, using an alt. It would have been easy to accrue these points in no time, and do a post yourself.
It's not the mods' obligation to create posts so that users can post comments on these threads. You have the opportunity to post as many comments to defend yourself as you like here.
@Crensch @EricKaliberhall @ben_matlock @Vindicator
IWorshipQAnon ago
Gee you made the same points in this comment that you made in a skeptic's guide to pizzagate. How do you like it that I got your boychat website shut down Kamil?
Are_we__sure ago
got a link?
IWorshipQAnon ago
To the medium article? It's probably still up if you try Google. Not that you don't know since you seem to be the author and know everything here on the board.
Are_we__sure ago
You think I wrote some article on Medium?
think- ago
LOL
Yep. And strangely enough, the RIPJem shill that showed up accused us mods of helping AWS IIRC (which we didn't) - so I think he might well be connected to this group of shills / trolls.
@Crensch @srayzie @EricKaliberhall @ben_matlock