Artist B. D. came to USA in 2009 to promote her art, first in Washington D.C. where Tony Podesta may have been inspired to purchase some of her paintings. Then she settled in NYC for 2 years 2110-2011 serving as a visiting professor at the acclaimed Parsons School of Design. Gloria Vanderbilt graduated from Parsons and probably promoted and supported it ever since which would have provided an opportunity for B. D. and G.V. to become acquainted.

So I need to determine the dates the the hanging boy painting was done as well as her painting of two boys, fully dressed who look alike but for hair color . ( Anderson & Carter?) B.D. seems to use her own face when portraying females of various ages.

I noticed that pool described as a 50x50 plunge pool near the Turkish baths. The dimensions are off but it otherwise comports with my notion that it is utilitarian. Scandinavians like to get overheated. in. a sauna then plunge into a cold bath. The ropes could have beenfor those guests who might have socialized in the water briefly before getting out.

@zzzmmm333: Has the pool been located on the estate? I just learned. that the Biltmore's cafe restaurant consists of the original ornate horse stalls wherein the stalls have been converted to booths and the other side consisting of tables where the. other half of the horse stalls probably were. The number of remaining stalls is quite large . This facility is not to be confused with present day equestrian center. .

The stalls look like "tie stalls" wherein the horse is tied for the day with no room to move. You might see thisat show grounds where you are trying to cram in as many visiting horses as possible. The estate was built pre-auto.so if there were grand parties or a hunt, the horses would have to be put up somewhere.

Ive mentioned before the utilitarian quality of the pool and speculated that it might have been a pool for horses. So....after all this, is the pool near today's Stable Cafe?

Okay, this is starting to get bizarre. I'm posting this here as only top level comments can be found on google searches. If I just add it as a reply to my previous comments I won't be able to find it again. So this is further to: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2686121/13627569

So searching for Red Cross posts on voat leads to the murder of the billionaire Shermans couple : Clinton Body count rises - "suicide" of Canadian pharmaceutical billionaires - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2293432/11374321

Notice the POOL in the story: Billionaire couple who were found hanging in their Toronto home were MURDERED by multiple killers and the wife may have put up a fight, private investigators conclude

According to the source, the couple's body were upright and seated on the floor near an indoor pool.

The PI found that both victims had their necks wrapped with leather belts. Those were then used to knot around a handrail running adjacent to the pool, the source shared.

Then there's : A summary of AnCap Anon's claims - https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/2462156

Murder of Barry and Honey Sherman

He suggests that there is a relationship between Hansjorg Wyss, murdered Apotex billionaire Barry Sherman, and the Ranbaxy pharmaceutical company.

He suggests that the murder was aided by the Hells Angels, was videotaped, witnesses have been killed, and that Frank D'Angelo was involved. He suggests relationships between D'Angelo, the Clinton Foundation, Haiti, the Hells Angels, and serial killer Robert Pickton who fed his victims to pigs.

He posts a picture from a TV show and claims that it is Wyss's murdered nurse. After getting called out for hoaxing, he posts cat photos.

Looking into hunting at Biltmore has led to some interesting voat posts on human hunting by the elite:

Starting from these comments on The Hunt at Biltmore: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2686121/13627442

So,

Francotte is a weapons manufacturer in Liège, Belgium.

And was the gun imported by Abercrombie and Fitch back in the day. A&F history leads us to Wexner and his present day celebrity 'shooting holidays' in his 'very, very private' Costwolds mansion.

And:

"At the end of these cellars there was an audience room where about fifty spectators were assembled. X3 recognized King Baudouin, his brother Albert, who at that time was Prince de Liege, and their uncle Prince Charles."

King Baudouin: Flynn retweets Human Hunting Parties - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1763716/8637390

Belgium had massive protests over Dutroux. Hundreds of thousands of Belgians marched. It mostly got covered up afterwards anyway but the various X victims reported royalty including former King Baudouin.

The ICMEC, the Belgian Connection and the Dutroux Scandal - Hiding in Plain Sight - Part 3 - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1658938

And remember this story: New Q ++ Is this confirmation that Nathaniel Charles Jacob Rothschild was killed in the UK helipcopter crash yesterday?

plane crash yesterday in Buckinghamshire

"A onetime paratrooper who is not in line for the Belgian throne of King Baudouin, De Ligne said he was drawn to the rail project by Christopher Harriman, whom he described as a personal friend he met in Paris.

Harriman, who accompanied De Ligne on his recent trip to the Capitol, has made a number of claims about his own background and business dealings that have not been possible to verify. Among other things, he said he is related to the late diplomat Averill Harriman, a claim disputed by the Harriman family in Washington. He cited business ventures with the prince, including a luxury hotel in Thailand with a grandson of the Thai king, but the Thai Embassy said it had no knowledge of De Ligne or Harriman."

https://www.nationalforests.org/blog/biltmore-estate-the-birth-of-forestry

Once completed, the mansion had four acres of floor space, 250 rooms, 34 bedrooms, 43 bathrooms and 65 fireplaces. The basement had a swimming pool, gymnasium with changing rooms, bowling alley, servants’ quarters, kitchens and more. In addition to the lavish house, the estate included 125,000 acres of grounds designed by Frederick Law Olmsted, the creator of New York’s Central Park and the father of American landscape architecture.

Frederick Law Olmsted was a freemason of course - The George Washington National Memorial https://gwmemorial.org/pages/architecture

The Memorial’s form was inspired by the lighthouse of Alexandria, Egypt, one of the ancient Seven Wonders of the World, and its design reflects the classical architecture of Greece and Rome. These styles connect the Memorial to the architecture of Washington’s day, when the classical aesthetic was used to express the democratic principles guiding the new republic. The Memorial’s entrance, inspired by the Parthenon, is of the Doric order. The interior of Memorial Hall is a of modernized Composite order. The three sections of the tower ascend in levels of complexity, with Doric features at the bottom, Ionic in the middle, and Corinthian at the top. The Tower is capped with a pyramid and surmounted by a stylized finial that symbolizes Light. The Memorial is a beacon that spreads the Light of Freemasonry and the legacy of Washington to all humanity.

The landscaping of the Memorial grounds was done by the renowned Olmstead Brothers firm. Founded by Frederick Law Olmsted—who designed the grounds of the United States Capitol in Washington, D.C., New York City’s Central Park, the Biltmore Estate in North Carolina, and the 1893 World’s Columbian Exposition in Chicago—the Olmsted Brothers remained influential for more than a century.

The Biltmore gymnasium is also tiled: https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/270004940129173623/

By the way, in case this is helpful to anyone -- from personal experience:

As someone who is a survivor of Pedogate (1960's - approximately 1980's,) although I've never officially been to the Biltmore Estate, I have recognized three areas of it since v / PG and v / GA started researching it.

I basically just recognize having been on the main staircase, and in the fourth floor room with the spiral staircase that looks like an office ("the observatory,") in a bad but not horrible way. However I get a very bad vibe-memory from the third area, which is the room at 5:40 with the architectural model of the house. I can only assume they must have done horrible things to us children in that room, and maybe still do. All three areas are in this video from 4:45 - 6:10 or so:

Upstairs at the Biltmore House

8 months ago our colleague @Pascina did a post on the Vanderbilts and the occult. Maybe that link should be inserted here to bring it all together for newbies and oldtimers alike.

So long shot.. But could the guy on the far left in this photo https://imgur.com/a/XzQgQdy be a younger version of this guy https://imgur.com/a/olYCOOB ??? Vanderbilts grandson..

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EDIT: Ok so what else it quite strange about this "pool" is it's complete lack of steps going to the bottom of the ladder, I mean even if it was full of water, would you still not take the steps most of the way down? I know it is probably accessible from the end the photo is taken but would it still not make sense to take them down to an accessible point whilst the "pool" is empty?

Here is said ladder: https://imgur.com/a/WQQVao5

I myself have never seen a deep end ladder with rungs going deeper into the water than the one at the Biltmore. I don't think there's a need, but it's not something you can notice through the water. Here's an example.

What's creepy to me about the Biltmore pool ladder is it looks like it folds up and out of the way.

"EDIT: Also if the boy in the picture is AC then can we match any other kids in the pictures to people around his age and in a similar position? I know that could be a big ask but it could provide some more resemblances.. IF in fact these kids are still alive and carrying on the "work" of their handlers."

Yeah...pay me, give me a budget and 3 good analysts and 20 rolling whiteboards.

Biltmore Estate suspicious numbers:

National Historic Landmark reference number is 66000586. Three sixes, and 5 + 8 = 13

Company number is 13 on Open Corporates

Added some more to the bottom of post again

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I don't know where to post this -- so I'll just leave it here.

A 1900 book describes the Biltmore House pool as being 50 feet long x 50 feet wide, and marble.

It's not that size, and it's finished with glazed tile, not marble. I'm thinking the dimensions were maybe a mistake/due to wrong information, and calling it marble may have been a manner of speaking, as the room is mostly marble??

For what it's worth:

https://archive.org/stream/biltmore00albe#page/n5 :

“Biltmore Photo-Gravures” (1900) by H.Taylor Rogers, Asheville

https://archive.org/stream/biltmore00albe#page/n7 :

In the basement is a Turkish bath ['gymnasium/lounging room' on the floor plans], with a marble plunge, 50 x 50 feet, and electric illumination from beneath as well as above.

If you use the banquet hall's dimensions of 72 x 42 feet as a guide, and compare the size of the pool to the banquet hall on the floor plans, the pool is not even close to 50 x 50 feet.

You know what is basically 50 x 50 feet? The creepy sub-basement "plant storage room." Under this heavy marble trap door in the Winter Garden on the main floor was open space down to the plant storage room two floor below. The ABC article states the plant storage room has been replaced by a staff break room. However in looking at their photo, and then at the floor plans, correct me if I'm wrong but I think the break room is just one floor down from the Winter Garden.

It might be nothing, but why such a deep and tall plant storage room, unless I'm looking at this wrong? The conservatory for plants is very large, was built in 1895 like the house, and is not too great a distance away. Maybe the conservatory was too humid for some plants, I don't know.

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Added a little edited photo of the pool to the bottom of the sub.. Thanks for adding in the comments!

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Not sure if this is anything:

In the photo comparing the painting of the boy who resembles Anderson Cooper, to a feature of the Biltmore Pool, (which image is not my work by the way) :

• a V-shaped shadow on the pool wall is in the same place as the V of the lower half of the tiled diamond behind the boy

• the white light on the pool floor is in the same place as the boy's white shoes

f.y.i. @gamepwn @Oh_Well_ian @Blacksmith21

Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute (PARI) - http://www.carolinacorner.com/attractions/pisgah-astronomical-research-institute-pari.htm

In 1883, George Washington Vanderbilt began buying land near Asheville and soon afterward began building famed Biltmore House.

At one time, the Biltmore Estate included over 100,000 acres. When George Vanderbilt died in 1914, it became part of Pisgah National Forest; Wild turkeys and deer wander there to this day. In 1963, in the early, heady days of the space program, the government carved this spot out of the Forest for NASA's Rosman Satellite Tracking Station, which monitored missions from the early satellites through the Apollo program and Skylab project.

By 1981, however, with new geo-synchronous satellites, the end of Skylab, and the agency's new interest in the space shuttle program, NASA no longer needed the tracking station. So the Department of Defense took over the station to use for intelligence gathering by the National Security Agency, and a shroud of secrecy fell over the site.

Until recent years, few people without a high security clearance knew about the Rosman station or what it did when it was run by the National Security Agency. Information about the facility's use from 1981 to 1995 is classified.

When the facility closed in 1995, local employees signed confidentiality agreements to keep them from divulging anything they may have seen or taken part in while they were there. As Powers put it," The past is the past."

Rafael Guastavino, a Spanish architect known for his patented tiled timbrel arch design died in 1908. He had designed the vaulted ceilings, including the pool at the Biltmore. Examples of his work are all over Europe and lots can be found in NYC. Maybe a collection of photos of his work may provide some clues for this post. The absence of a drain is weird but maybe it was tiled over once the place became a museum and the pool was drained. This would prevent rats from coming into the house via sewer lines.

Here is the high res photo of the pool. I'm still trying to figure out why there is no drain at the bottom:

https://d.lib.ncsu.edu/collections/catalog/buch0036#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0&z=149.7436%2C1784.1065%2C1112.9107%2C630.7871

@zzzmmm333: so much great and unique.esearch and commentary coming out of Pizzagate. It makes me proud to be associated. We should never have to be the least defensive to family and friends.

This is probably nothing but from this angle in Archer, the viewer sees the black rail under the handrail of the pool deck balustrade to be just above where the pool's waterline would be.

The popes' swimming pool happens to have a thick black stripe just above the waterline:

The pool at Castel Gandolfo, the papal summer palace, 1981

Also here

And image 14 in this article about the palace

Note: I do not think this angle of the Biltmore Pool represented in Archer could possibly be referencing the papal summer house pool, as though they are "related..." in some way, that's a stretch for me. But who knows.

I thought I should mention the popes' (former) pool also because I have not seen it posted yet on v / PG or v / GA.

The photos are by Roberta Hidalgo: Le Foto Segrete di Papa Wojtyla

Le foto segrete di Papa Wojtyla in piscina

(Also, I read Castel Gandolfo was a (((refugee center))) during WW II. It's not relevant to the Biljana Djurdjevic paintings, but creepy nonetheless: 12,000 refugees are said to have lived within the grounds of Castel Gandolfo during WW II, including in the main palace. :

"When the pope’s palace became a refugee center and neonatal unit" )

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wow... very close

Biltmore Estate's Secret Passages - https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/biltmore-secret-doors-hidden-passages

The estate also boasts one underground tunnel in Antler Hill Village (located three miles from the house) that used to be part of the Biltmore Dairy Barn. The stone tunnel leads to a winery.

I don't know anything about this Archer series, so I'm taking this from a Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/97xdjw/weve_seen_the_vanderbilt_pool_before/

Vandertunt is the name of one of the richest families in the Archer series. Team Archer likes using obvious jokes and references. The cartoon goes into a LOT of shady details about how the Vandertunt family acquired its vast fortune by use of dubious means.

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Episode 3 references tunnels under it to transport slaves. Episode 4 references eating babies.

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Kreiger plays a mental German scientist, not unlike the Nazis imported after WWII.

It might also be noteworthy that during the entire season he is watching everyone in the estate through cameras. Many of which are in bathrooms when on screen.

OK so go check out the playboy abandoned mansion on Youtube...I think this could be our white rabbit

Why is the "art" photoshopped onto this pool though? It's clearly not a depiciton of this pool...

@swordfish69, have you seen this post?

Hi @Zzzmmm333,

great find! I would to ask you to please add an intro paragraph to the post, so that people who don't know the story about the Vanderbilt story and the paintings will be able to understand your links.

Also, please point out that the pool shown in the painting might be the Vanderbilt pool, since it looks very similar, but since the tiles are different, it is not yet clear that it is really the same pool.

Thank you!

I will give you a 24 hours Grace flair, so that you will have some time to edit.

Video of the real pool:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PdNUVPyolpo

Definitely the pool at Biltmore Estate. Looks like military to me. So... As that Archer series was based on James Bond who, of course, was a spook..

Author examines ways Biltmore mansion intersected with US history - http://www.dispatch.com/entertainmentlife/20171008/author-examines-ways-biltmore-mansion-intersected-with-us-history

as Kiernan chronicles in “The Last Castle,” her new work of nonfiction, Biltmore was a financial catastrophe, even for someone with the wealth of a Vanderbilt. It took Vanderbilt’s widow, Edith, to salvage Biltmore for generations to come

I first saw Biltmore when I was a teenager. My father was stationed in Fort Jackson in South Carolina and my mom drove my sister and me up to look at the house. ... It really made quite an impression on me as a kid.

There were a lot of things I came across. ... Some were trivial but fascinating, such as Edith’s family’s role in the creation of the teddy bear. I never saw that coming.

Ah, so that's the connection between teddy bears and the Vanderbilts and pizzagate.. Also, a book on the historical context of the house.. thoughts of another UK mansion and its WW2 military connections came to mind - Bletchley Park- so, what would this 'historian' have in the pages of that book...

The Last Castle: The Epic Story of Love, Loss, and American Royalty in the Nation's Largest Home - www. amazon.com/Last-Castle-American-Royalty-Nations/dp/1476794057/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

“The Last Castle is a soaring and gorgeous American story that gripped me from the very first page. With a historian’s keen insight and a poet’s gift for language, Denise Kiernan depicts life at Biltmore with such skill, I felt like I was there through it all: weddings, divorces, elaborate (and slightly bizarre) balls, financial glory, financial ruin, murder, suicide, natural disasters, betrayals, love, loss, despair, and triumph.

Nope, written more like a soap opera than a historical document of the estate' history. Given the author is a daughter of a military man, I found that interesting. Maybe some of the estate's secrets are being kept firmly under wraps? Looking further afield...

Biltmore Estate hid precious art during World War II - https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article9097334.html

In the new World War II movie “The Monuments Men,” George Clooney and Matt Damon are army officers assigned to save historic artworks before they are plundered or destroyed by Hitler.

Asheville’s Biltmore Estate played a similar top-secret role when precious art was stashed at the big house during the war.

Famous works by Rembrandt, Raphael, Anthony van Dyck – even Gilbert Stuart’s George Washington portrait – were whisked away from Washington’s National Gallery of Art by train and hidden at the estate to protect against possible attacks.

“It was all done in secret,” said Darren Poupore, chief curator.

According to Cecil Vanderbilt, the house was open to the public in 1930 in an effort to pay for its upkeep. Then closed at the beginning of World War 2, and reopened again in 1946.

I bet it was a place for more than the storing of art. The closest military camps are Fort Jackson and Fort Bragg. Cecil himself served with the British Royal Navy. Just sayin....

Here's the clip of the scene https://youtu.be/0hQeMT9sWx4?t=74 I know how the submarine in the episode is being said to transport cocaine, but given it is a spy show, and their agency is an allegory for the CIA, I think it's was referring to children. Maybe being trafficked by submarine?

That is it all day

Looks almost exactly like it. Anyone know the storyline from the show? What's with a sub in a pool?

Welcome back.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2679973 Relevant thread.

I agree, that looks almost identical to the Vanderbilt pool barring the location of the door, the plants. Ropes are identical.

What's the context for all this?

The pools & rooms are identical. There’s no way that this is a coincidence.

Definitely I think its an inside joke. Good spot, using your new eyes.

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