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cantsleepawink ago

Proposal #1

Here's a link to a post that @kevdude made to my subverse demonstrating the fact that he does not understand the point that a number of pizzagate contributors (including myself) have been trying to make on this forum about the 100 CCP issue. https://voat.co/v/pizzagateTNT/2090563/10307686

Some genuine input from the OP would be appreciated.

VieBleu ago

Also I wanted you to see how new accounts are affected. Upvote my comments, then in 10 min check this account's profile. You will see it is still zero. - KevDude

from https://voat.co/v/pizzagateTNT/2090563/10307707 Kevdude's thread experiment that supposedly proves his point, however the account CCP was already at 1, NOT ZERO when for some strange reason? submission was deleted.
: ) @Vindicator

Good experiment, so WHY DELETE?

EDITED TO PROVIDE SCREENSHOT that upends insulting wanker's constantly repeated point - http://imgur.com/a/YFMai

EDITED TO GET DOWN TO THE NITTY GRITTY: The community has voted twice on this issue, always in the majority of restoring the 100 CCP to downvoat restriction. KDud's point is that once the change had been made by @PuttItOut, it would/could never be reversed, not now, not if the subverse wanted it, never. Even if Voat could rule The Iron Throne by making it happen. @FuzzyWords, respected coder, could you kindly comment on whether it is technically possible to revert one subverse to the situation of 100 CCP restricted downvoating and being able to earn points with comments within the subverse? Whether it is a good idea/Puttitout would honor the request is a different question which is not being asked of you - first the question of it being technically possible should be honestly settled. Thank you very much.

Also, this discussion is not "holding up" any other more important discussion. All discussions hav been raised in the sticky and are up for comment. What a wanking weird attitude, but we've all come to expect it of course.

VieBleu ago

This explanation is from Voat coder FuzzyWords -

  1. Technically it IS perfectly possible to allow the CCP downvoat restriction in the subverse AND allow points to accrue. Turns out most people don't know how the site actually works, finger-pointing dudes included.

  2. "I've read your comments and I am not sure why you are getting downvotes. All you said is true but the other users don't seem to understand that if they disable downvoting by requiring 100 CCP then the upvotes they get won't add to their total CCP and will be stuck at 0 CCP unless they comment outside this sub. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2086828/10308289

So we could add the CPP downvoat restriction, go around voat and comment elsewhere, and IT WOULD STILL BE QUITE POSSIBLE to earn CPP outside of the sub. We are always being encouraged to go outside of our subverse and look around, so this seems like a win-win.

However, according to FuzzyWords, the CCP restriction will never be allowed, because having one subverse do so would create vote farming which leads to shill attacks on the site. I asked for further explanation, here it is:

It is not limiting downvoting what opens Voat to attack, it is letting users who are nearly un-downvotable (because the sub has 100 CCP requirement within the sub to let people downvote) earn CCP and power to downvote what opens Voat to attack, that was what you asked in your first reply.

The attack is easy, let's assume this sub restricts downvoting to users who have at least 100 CCP within the sub. An attacker creates a valid thread that won't get removed by the mods, a month passes, the thread is nowhere to be seen in the sub unless someone uses search so people don't go back to it. The attacker then has two months before the thread is archived to comment in his old thread with a lot of alt accounts and farm CCP while nobody notices. But let's supposed /v/ProtectVoat notices the odd behavior because they are always vigilant, they won't be able to downvote the accounts farming CCP because this sub requires them to have at least 100 CCP within this sub. So now you end up with a lot of bot or shill accounts farming CCP, nobody can stop them, they have earned at least 100 CCP in the sub and can begin downvoting everyone here and on the rest of Voat.

Previous explanation is not something that could happen, it is something that has already happened to Voat and it is the reason why this restriction exists when earning CCP.

It is refreshing to get a straightforward explanation without the usual insults and racial abuse from the forum's emotionally unhinged pet chimpanzee mascot. Thank you @FuzzyWords

VieBleu ago

@FuzzyWords - another question has come up. Your statement here https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2086828/10308289 says that new users could earn CCP "outside this sub". So could they then earn 101 CCP outside the sub, come back to the sub and begin to downvote? Or do those points not show in the sub and they are always stuck at zero when in a downvoat restricted sub no matter what they earn elsewhere. Thank you.