*** Our usual sticky, the Executive Summary of Pizzagate Evidence, can be found in the sidebar and here. ***
There's been a great discussion over the past few weeks in v/pizzagatewhatever about what users would like to change in order to improve the functioning of this subverse, so we'd like to take an official poll to gauge sentiment. I will describe details here, and list individual proposals separately in the Comments below; please upvoat or downvoat each of them and/or leave a subcomment to voice your opinion on the matter.
Item #1: Should we turn on the 100 CCP Downvoat setting (Doesn't prevent shitposts; Removes us from being visible outside this sub)
The primary concern discussed is cutting down the number of shill and troll posts by limiting downvoats to those who have 100 Comment Contribution Points. Please be aware there was quite a bit of misinformation contained in that discussion. Here are the facts:
Kevdude explained to me how CCP works:
CCP are points we get for comments. The middle number at the top is your sitewide ccp. Once that hit 100 you can downvote. You can not downvote anywhere if you are under 100.
In the sidebar there is the minimum ccp to dv in a sub. That refers to your in-sub ccp which is ccp you generate on the comments you make in that sub. (which is why under that you see "your ccp for this sub"). That does not mean new users with 0 ccp can downvote. It just means tgat you don't have to generate points in the sub to dv there. If you raise the sub minimum 2 things happen. Users can no longer generate ccp for the sub and the sub is blocked from v/all.
@VieBleu characterized the 100 CCP limit to downvoat as a "figleaf" and implied it limits people's ability to submit material. The first point is accurate, the second is not.
To clarify: turning on this setting has NO IMPACT on the ability to submit or comment. It's main effect is to prevent our material from being seen outside this subverse (something many shills and several pedos who frequent this board would love to have happen!) and stop each of us from accruing Comment Contribution Points for our comments within this subverse. This could have the unintended effect of severely limiting those who primarily contribute to v/pizzagate! CCP is an important buffer -- if people downvoat your comments into the negatives, you lose the ability to comment. Organized downvoat brigades can effectively silence those with low CCP. Currently, SCP -- submission contribution points -- have no effect on the ability of your account to take action on Voat (other than demonstrating you are an actual contributor).
Based on this, I believe turning on the 100 CCP downvoat minimum would unnecessarily empower the shills and trolls -- the exact opposite of the intended effect, which is why @Crensch @Kevdude @VictorSteinerDavion and others who have been pinged about this have said no. However, because users have requested it, I am going to include it in this poll as item number one. Please make an informed vote.
Proposal #2: Turn on the "Only allow submissions from authorized users" feature & Authorize users who introduce themselves in new sister-sub
In the thread mentioned above, user @GoodGodKirk suggested we create a Pizzagate Introductions sister-sub, and close submissions to those who have not introduced themselves. I believe that would be FAR more effective and have less negative consequences for legit users than turning on the 100 CCP Downvoat option. However, it would require we stop allowing submissions from everyone until they make a post in the new subverse. The downside to this is that it would radically downthrottle content in the short term. This is a huge change and would need a demonstration of major support from the community, but could be a very interesting experiment! Please vote and comment below.
Include any thoughts you may have about how to get the most out of an intros sister-sub to hinder shills and support legit Pizzagoats. For example, before approving submitters, we could require they subscribe to all five (now six) sister subs -- so that stuff from v/pizzagatewhatever ends up on their front page and people aren't so reluctant to post speculative or unsourced stuff there.
Proposal #3: Change mods/owners (various ideas)
In VieBleu's threads, various ideas and proposals were put forward, including adding me as an O. I have mixed feelings about that and feel really weird putting it in a sticky. I am including it, though, because I said I would do this sticky based on what was discussed. Two new facts have come to light however since that thread that may make this a moot point:
Proposal #4: Revisit what is and isn't Rule 1 compliant (directly related to Pizzagate)
This topic has caused massive frustration for users and mods, and will require it's own sticky, as there are a number of issues and this could dramatically shift what is allowed to remain on the board. For now, please voat about whether we should discuss this, and leave a comment about why stuff that's removed now should be included, or why not, so those thoughts can be included in a future sticky.
Proposal #5: Hide the "Share a Link" button
The low effort required to post in v/pizzagate via Share a Link, as well as the inability to edit post headlines (Link posts are ONLY headlines) to satisfy the rest of the submission rules make this idea very attractive to mods. We have to take down numerous otherwise legit posts because people don't take the time to write a clear, accurate headline that explains how the link they are sharing is directly related to Pizzagate. We can't remove the functionality, but we can hide the button. This would go a long way toward reducing unnecessary post removals on technicalities.
Those are the five main proposals as I saw it. If I've missed any, please include them in the Comments below. Give them a headline like I have done (put a "#" with no space at the beginning of the headline, and a double carriage return after, some text describing why you think the change should be made, and ask people to vote on it.)
Edit: formatting
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cantsleepawink ago
Proposal #1
Here's a link to a post that @kevdude made to my subverse demonstrating the fact that he does not understand the point that a number of pizzagate contributors (including myself) have been trying to make on this forum about the 100 CCP issue. https://voat.co/v/pizzagateTNT/2090563/10307686
Some genuine input from the OP would be appreciated.
VieBleu ago
from https://voat.co/v/pizzagateTNT/2090563/10307707 Kevdude's thread experiment that supposedly proves his point, however the account CCP was already at 1, NOT ZERO when for some strange reason? submission was deleted.
: ) @Vindicator
Good experiment, so WHY DELETE?
EDITED TO PROVIDE SCREENSHOT that upends insulting wanker's constantly repeated point - http://imgur.com/a/YFMai
EDITED TO GET DOWN TO THE NITTY GRITTY: The community has voted twice on this issue, always in the majority of restoring the 100 CCP to downvoat restriction. KDud's point is that once the change had been made by @PuttItOut, it would/could never be reversed, not now, not if the subverse wanted it, never. Even if Voat could rule The Iron Throne by making it happen. @FuzzyWords, respected coder, could you kindly comment on whether it is technically possible to revert one subverse to the situation of 100 CCP restricted downvoating and being able to earn points with comments within the subverse? Whether it is a good idea/Puttitout would honor the request is a different question which is not being asked of you - first the question of it being technically possible should be honestly settled. Thank you very much.
Also, this discussion is not "holding up" any other more important discussion. All discussions hav been raised in the sticky and are up for comment. What a wanking weird attitude, but we've all come to expect it of course.
VieBleu ago
This explanation is from Voat coder FuzzyWords -
Technically it IS perfectly possible to allow the CCP downvoat restriction in the subverse AND allow points to accrue. Turns out most people don't know how the site actually works, finger-pointing dudes included.
So we could add the CPP downvoat restriction, go around voat and comment elsewhere, and IT WOULD STILL BE QUITE POSSIBLE to earn CPP outside of the sub. We are always being encouraged to go outside of our subverse and look around, so this seems like a win-win.
However, according to FuzzyWords, the CCP restriction will never be allowed, because having one subverse do so would create vote farming which leads to shill attacks on the site. I asked for further explanation, here it is:
It is refreshing to get a straightforward explanation without the usual insults and racial abuse from the forum's emotionally unhinged pet chimpanzee mascot. Thank you @FuzzyWords
VieBleu ago
@FuzzyWords - another question has come up. Your statement here https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2086828/10308289 says that new users could earn CCP "outside this sub". So could they then earn 101 CCP outside the sub, come back to the sub and begin to downvote? Or do those points not show in the sub and they are always stuck at zero when in a downvoat restricted sub no matter what they earn elsewhere. Thank you.