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Votescam ago

In looking at this thread: "pedophile rights movement" (PIE, PAL) and The Wonderland Club .... https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1668187

I don't know if everyone would agree with me but as I look at it there are two separate issues ....

Other than by legal subterfuge, I see no way that the American public's opinion on pedophilia as something to be condemned and as a crime can be changed other than by legal subterfuge. The American public will not buy the idea that children can be sexually assaulted and that it would not be a crime. Nor will they buy the idea that children are capable of full and aware consent, especially such consent which would permit sexual activity between themselves and adults. However, legal subterfuge is something to be watched carefully, especially because of majority now of right wingers on the Supreme Court.

Quote -- This Australian 60 Minutes report on pedophile networks includes an interview with the founding member of PIE, Pedophile Information Exchange. He states that the reason that there is a problem is the guilt trip put on children by moralists that causes their problems and not the actual sex practices they have participated in. He believes children can give consent to participate, and that there are methods to evaluate that consent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihpnl72yHpUYouTube

The research into this shows that beginning in 1973 or so, a movement was formed to gain legal status for pedophiliacs. Coincidentally, this is around the time that Hillary Clinton wrote her thesis on "Children Under the Law" -- which argued that laws of "minority status" for children should be abolished. See: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1666938>

I am not saying that both aren't serious issues, but that they are different issues ....

The other issue ....

Quote -- And then there was the "Wonderland Club" that was a network of people who exchanged child sex pictures and videos. To join the club you had to submit original pictures of children. It was not just pictures. It was videos. It was sounds. It was the sounds of children being raped. And the children became like STARS in the network. Some people would travel to take pictures with their favorite "stars." The Wonderland Club -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHAgCQdvw94YouTube> And so, I am suggesting that many of the pizzagate pictures with children are actually trophies of admirers of the sex videos and pictures the "stars" are in. And as is said in the video, when they broke up the Wonderland Club, it just found another venue. It is called the Wonderland Club after Alice in Wonderland. Lewis Carroll fell in love with his 4-year old student, Alice. Now there is an "Alice Day" in which pedophiles wear pink. Some say it is April 25, some July 4. April 25 is the day Lewis Carroll met Alice. July 4 is the day he took Alice and her sisters on a canoe trip and told them stories that he later made into Alice In Wonderland.

I believe that to understand this whole investigation, one must understand the pedophile world and what they believe, and what they do.

From the above, if the Wonderland Club still exists somewhere on the internet, I presume that pedophiles can be found there. And perhaps some information about their activities which might give some new insights as to how organized pedophiles may be there, and what role the Wonderland Club may play in child pornography, or child trafficking.

carmencita ago

I thought you might be interested in @Wolftrail7272 Submission on the Wonderland Club https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1604989

Votescam ago

Read it now and there is a LOT there .... of course again involving the Catholic Church and their pedophile priests ....

and looking at sex offenders registered at this address, some are involved in the production of child porn.

Literally all other publicized instances of pedophilia in St. Louis involve child porn/snuff film production:>

Sometimes I think the police might just as well camp outside all of the churches.

Obviously, some of the police must have tracked this back to that address ... right?

carmencita ago

Most definitely there is snuff going on. The Wonderland Club has just been relocated. As I have said before there is too much money to be made to just let it fade away. There is an article about the place called Club Ped. The priests are sent from all over the country to this place. It goes as high up as the Cardinal. http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2010/05_06/2010_05_06_Ksdk_ClubPed.htm Part 1 There is a Part 2 as well. It will open your eyes. Also here is a link about Fr. Fred Lenczycki who came from Joliet Il. and ended up in Forest Park Hosp. http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news99/2002_04_24_Slowik_5thDiocesan.htm he is connected to Ricky McCormick https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1587392 That should be a good start. I feel like I am Wolftrail and you are me.

Votescam ago

OK -- I haven't looked at everything that's archived on Wolf, but fairly caught up. There is too much, of course, to hold in your mind but the record will be very important for those researching.

I'll look at these links tonight --

I've been aware of John Stockwell former CIA but this year is the first time I heard him say that the CIA is "Catholics In Action." Also believe they've been very involved in campaign to demonize Muslims -- a large part of it covert over 40 years -- and CIA involved in trying in every way to create a more violent wing of Islam.

Wonderland Club is simply website -- right? Is there a new link to it?

Gotta go -- have some things to do --

SNOWDEN movie will play on cable Sunday night/Showtime

Just Watching some of "Burn Motherf..., Burn! The squeeze of LAPD racism and humiliation of the citizens combined with CIA's "Dark Alliance."

Thanks for the info - CIA is key to all of this, imo. But it's a really immense agenda to serve Elites who want everything.

Cable companies now given huge monopolies to spread violent porn -- and they keep moving CP into the mix, imo -- and as others have pointed out here (I think) into other regular programming.

Think YouTube is another target where Google takeover signals use as a tool for right wing ... to stop info about Pizza-gate, but also to destroy the effort at truth-telling which YouTube has been part of over decades now.

It's promising that both the left and the right can come together on this issue of sexual abuse of children. Really like that -- !!

carmencita ago

I am glad too that we can unite on something so important too, for I believe that we all agree on so many things if we just stop to think. Wonderland has morphed into another type of moneymaker, that is something that Wolftrail told me, but I know and feel that he cannot divulge.As far as I know, he may not be positive as to what it is, and I don't either. All I know is that they would never give up a way to make money. Yes, CIA was Catholics In Action before they hijacked it and stuffed it full of Nazis and Jesuits. Same with the Vatican. The info I sent you was just something to get you going and there is no rush, for this stuff is not easy.