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Votescam ago

In looking at this thread: "pedophile rights movement" (PIE, PAL) and The Wonderland Club .... https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1668187

I don't know if everyone would agree with me but as I look at it there are two separate issues ....

Other than by legal subterfuge, I see no way that the American public's opinion on pedophilia as something to be condemned and as a crime can be changed other than by legal subterfuge. The American public will not buy the idea that children can be sexually assaulted and that it would not be a crime. Nor will they buy the idea that children are capable of full and aware consent, especially such consent which would permit sexual activity between themselves and adults. However, legal subterfuge is something to be watched carefully, especially because of majority now of right wingers on the Supreme Court.

Quote -- This Australian 60 Minutes report on pedophile networks includes an interview with the founding member of PIE, Pedophile Information Exchange. He states that the reason that there is a problem is the guilt trip put on children by moralists that causes their problems and not the actual sex practices they have participated in. He believes children can give consent to participate, and that there are methods to evaluate that consent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihpnl72yHpUYouTube

The research into this shows that beginning in 1973 or so, a movement was formed to gain legal status for pedophiliacs. Coincidentally, this is around the time that Hillary Clinton wrote her thesis on "Children Under the Law" -- which argued that laws of "minority status" for children should be abolished. See: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1666938>

I am not saying that both aren't serious issues, but that they are different issues ....

The other issue ....

Quote -- And then there was the "Wonderland Club" that was a network of people who exchanged child sex pictures and videos. To join the club you had to submit original pictures of children. It was not just pictures. It was videos. It was sounds. It was the sounds of children being raped. And the children became like STARS in the network. Some people would travel to take pictures with their favorite "stars." The Wonderland Club -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHAgCQdvw94YouTube> And so, I am suggesting that many of the pizzagate pictures with children are actually trophies of admirers of the sex videos and pictures the "stars" are in. And as is said in the video, when they broke up the Wonderland Club, it just found another venue. It is called the Wonderland Club after Alice in Wonderland. Lewis Carroll fell in love with his 4-year old student, Alice. Now there is an "Alice Day" in which pedophiles wear pink. Some say it is April 25, some July 4. April 25 is the day Lewis Carroll met Alice. July 4 is the day he took Alice and her sisters on a canoe trip and told them stories that he later made into Alice In Wonderland.

I believe that to understand this whole investigation, one must understand the pedophile world and what they believe, and what they do.

From the above, if the Wonderland Club still exists somewhere on the internet, I presume that pedophiles can be found there. And perhaps some information about their activities which might give some new insights as to how organized pedophiles may be there, and what role the Wonderland Club may play in child pornography, or child trafficking.

carmencita ago

I thought you might be interested in @Wolftrail7272 Submission on the Wonderland Club https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1604989

Votescam ago

Read it now and there is a LOT there .... of course again involving the Catholic Church and their pedophile priests ....

and looking at sex offenders registered at this address, some are involved in the production of child porn.

Literally all other publicized instances of pedophilia in St. Louis involve child porn/snuff film production:>

Sometimes I think the police might just as well camp outside all of the churches.

Obviously, some of the police must have tracked this back to that address ... right?

carmencita ago

Most definitely there is snuff going on. The Wonderland Club has just been relocated. As I have said before there is too much money to be made to just let it fade away. There is an article about the place called Club Ped. The priests are sent from all over the country to this place. It goes as high up as the Cardinal. http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2010/05_06/2010_05_06_Ksdk_ClubPed.htm Part 1 There is a Part 2 as well. It will open your eyes. Also here is a link about Fr. Fred Lenczycki who came from Joliet Il. and ended up in Forest Park Hosp. http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news99/2002_04_24_Slowik_5thDiocesan.htm he is connected to Ricky McCormick https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1587392 That should be a good start. I feel like I am Wolftrail and you are me.

Votescam ago

Took me a while to get back to you -- didn't make note of your username ....

But did check out those websites -- and all of those priests should be in jail serving sentences. HOWEVER ... in cases where we are saying that pedophilia may be a sickness that can't be cured ... and it does seem that way, then imo they should be confined to a facility for the mentally ill. But they should never be left with the RCC in charge of what happens to them.

Was also happy to see SNAP involved with the investigations as was wondering if I should post your links to them.

The part of the story which deals with Ricky McCormick is also interesting as we can only believe that the real involvement in this trafficking and cover for it comes from Elites .... HOWEVER, we do know that there are thugs used for kidnappings if you're familiar with Belgium case/Dutroux and that likely they are pedophiles. And that many of them may know the names of higher up's.

I certainly couldn't break the "code" in the notes that were found on him -- and was very interested and reading the thread where someone thought they broke the code and now I can't find my way back to it. But I will check my "history" tomorrow and hopefully will find it again.

Anyway, the police never confirm that this was Ricky's handwriting. How do we know it was? Maybe these two notes were given to him by someone else. Obviously someone took his ID off of his person because they had to use fingerprints to ID him. Why would that person leave notes on him?

The whole hospital story is freakish and his visit to Forest Park and having been in jail with the priest who worked there-- but FBI don't say if they checked the hospital records to find out what he was doing there?
Or who he saw which presumably would have been a doctor. Not sure either what kind of work the priest was doing there?

Notice that he had heart & lung problems -- which would probably also make him a poor candidate for organ donations. Evidently he was on "disability" so presume the health problems were real.

The family and father denies that Ricky knew anything about codes. It's confusing ... as some o the info says he dropped out of high school, but he could read & write. Family again says he'd "jot nonsense and call it writing." Father says he could only write his name. No capacity to write such notes.

FBI had asked people to send in suggestions about the notes -- but I couldn't find the list of suggestions. But they mentioned that some said automotive terms -- instructions -- or serial numbers -- technical stuff. Vin #'s. Hospital terminology - or something to do with medications.

The fact that it has dots and at least one dash between letters suggests to me it could be URL's, but also notice it doesn't include any ////'s which are usually used in website addresses.

Looks also like he suffered a head injury.

Found only 5 days after last seen alive and weighed only 73 pounds.

Still not sure if "Wonderland Club" is an actual physical establishment or on internet -- and if latter, has anyone found a new link to it on internet?

Of course, we all want this to move faster and the whole thing to fall .... But I also think that this church stuff goes right to the top -- the Pope -- and always has .. except for Pope John XXIII who tried to make the church a democracy with Vatican II. In that regard I'm trusting that the women of the church and those who support birth control and a democratic church will continue to whittle away at it until it falls.

So -- basically I've added nothing to this but will remain tuned in for updates.

I'm generally around here at some point every day/evening.

carmencita ago

No one has broken the code, the person that said they did, did not break it. Ricky was known to have his own way of communicating and writing in HIS own way or code. People knew about it and there was not any rhyme or reason to it, it was his own design. Ricky was a pedophile and had a couple of kids with teens, underage. Also, I am going to tell you that Ricky had the coloboma eye. He befriended the priest who was a horrible priest from Joliet Il. Wolf and I figured he may have been robbed of organs for he was way too light. About the Wonderland Club, look up Operation Cathedral which was a global raid on CP. It no longer exists under that name. Wolf seems to think it has morphed into something else and so do I. Also the Jane Doe of St. Louis case is extremely fascinating and is listed on Wikipedia. Wolf always tried to impress upon me that Obama's favorite pizza place was PI Pizza in St. Louis. Reggie Love is from St. Louis. Yes this goes all the way to the top. Bishop Carlson is in control of it all. Also very important is Westlake Landfill. Loaded with Uranium from the Manhattan Project. There is a never ending burning fire there. Also Organ harvesting is a big biz in St. Louis. That's enough for now. I would suggest to look at his Submissions. Will be busy tomorrow but can write in eve. Great to hear your interest.

Votescam ago

Hi -- Will take a look when I have time -- Just want to mention -- and no need for reply -- that in looking at the situation with male circumcision, they are using the tissue for various commercial products - quite expensive, actually. Don't know if you've seen any of my posts on this subject (See: The Bloodstained Men) but the foreskin is actually a sexual organ which they are removing ... obviously to make masturbation and intercourse less pleasurable. Others have also said that it creates an irritation, more frequent erections, premature ejaculation. https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylc=X3oDMTFiN25laTRvBF9TAzIwMjM1MzgwNzUEaXRjAzEEc2VjA3NyY2hfcWEEc2xrA3NyY2h3ZWI-?p=male+foreskin+tissue+being+used+in+commercial+products&fr=yfp-t&fp=1&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

Votescam ago

OK -- I haven't looked at everything that's archived on Wolf, but fairly caught up. There is too much, of course, to hold in your mind but the record will be very important for those researching.

I'll look at these links tonight --

I've been aware of John Stockwell former CIA but this year is the first time I heard him say that the CIA is "Catholics In Action." Also believe they've been very involved in campaign to demonize Muslims -- a large part of it covert over 40 years -- and CIA involved in trying in every way to create a more violent wing of Islam.

Wonderland Club is simply website -- right? Is there a new link to it?

Gotta go -- have some things to do --

SNOWDEN movie will play on cable Sunday night/Showtime

Just Watching some of "Burn Motherf..., Burn! The squeeze of LAPD racism and humiliation of the citizens combined with CIA's "Dark Alliance."

Thanks for the info - CIA is key to all of this, imo. But it's a really immense agenda to serve Elites who want everything.

Cable companies now given huge monopolies to spread violent porn -- and they keep moving CP into the mix, imo -- and as others have pointed out here (I think) into other regular programming.

Think YouTube is another target where Google takeover signals use as a tool for right wing ... to stop info about Pizza-gate, but also to destroy the effort at truth-telling which YouTube has been part of over decades now.

It's promising that both the left and the right can come together on this issue of sexual abuse of children. Really like that -- !!

carmencita ago

I am glad too that we can unite on something so important too, for I believe that we all agree on so many things if we just stop to think. Wonderland has morphed into another type of moneymaker, that is something that Wolftrail told me, but I know and feel that he cannot divulge.As far as I know, he may not be positive as to what it is, and I don't either. All I know is that they would never give up a way to make money. Yes, CIA was Catholics In Action before they hijacked it and stuffed it full of Nazis and Jesuits. Same with the Vatican. The info I sent you was just something to get you going and there is no rush, for this stuff is not easy.