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LeChevalBlanc ago

In defense of CIA (Oh, did I really write this?????) :

Does anyone know what Secret and Intelligence services do all over the world?

Does anyone remember the aftermath of 2d world war and the egemonic threat of USSR?

Does anyone remember Cold War and the power of USSR influence in the West? That was evil too!

Not an excuse but that's when the CIA gained power and back then they were not totally moraly condemnable. That also explains the use of former "Nazis" (about everyone could be called a "nazi" in NSADP governed Germany until 1945) . There's nothing surprising. Every state does this kind of stuff at some level. Now, what happened since the 1980's matches more with the discussions here, but if you ignore the past you leave the realm of reason and put your sane moral rejection in the hands of irrational forces (besides allowing yourself to be manipulated by competitive forces).

Times change... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAl9H8E8pvo

party1981 ago

You make a good point, but it is much worse than you suggest.

Eisenhower definitely believed that black ops were better than boots on the ground, and he let Allen Dulles do whatever he wanted.

That doesn't mean that the CIA isn't evil. It is. And it's evil goes back long before the 1980s. The CIA was selling heroin out of Cuba to self-fund almost since day 1. That's a blatant violation of the law and a violation of Congress. Then the CIA killed JFK. Of course, they told themselves that JFK was a threat to the United States, and that they knew better than JFK what was good for the country. But really they just wanted to take out the guy who was hurting their corporate profits and trying to drain the swamp. The CIA has been evil ever since.

LeChevalBlanc ago

I don't disagree. That's why I couldn't believe to find myself in a position to "defend" them. Just that the fight against commies in the 50's to 80's was a tough one and quite justified in the end. Guess they went really mad after the fall of the Soviet Union.

In France the power of the stalinist-communist party post-war could really push many into a blind pro-American stand that turned as well to be pro-CIA.

Intelligence services everywhere are playing ugly games and don't always measure the consequences. Think of the Dreyfus case... (Officer in military intelligence, lot to do with homo blackmail)

Anyway touching kids if far across the limit.