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LeChevalBlanc ago

In defense of CIA (Oh, did I really write this?????) :

Does anyone know what Secret and Intelligence services do all over the world?

Does anyone remember the aftermath of 2d world war and the egemonic threat of USSR?

Does anyone remember Cold War and the power of USSR influence in the West? That was evil too!

Not an excuse but that's when the CIA gained power and back then they were not totally moraly condemnable. That also explains the use of former "Nazis" (about everyone could be called a "nazi" in NSADP governed Germany until 1945) . There's nothing surprising. Every state does this kind of stuff at some level. Now, what happened since the 1980's matches more with the discussions here, but if you ignore the past you leave the realm of reason and put your sane moral rejection in the hands of irrational forces (besides allowing yourself to be manipulated by competitive forces).

Times change... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAl9H8E8pvo

party1981 ago

You make a good point, but it is much worse than you suggest.

Eisenhower definitely believed that black ops were better than boots on the ground, and he let Allen Dulles do whatever he wanted.

That doesn't mean that the CIA isn't evil. It is. And it's evil goes back long before the 1980s. The CIA was selling heroin out of Cuba to self-fund almost since day 1. That's a blatant violation of the law and a violation of Congress. Then the CIA killed JFK. Of course, they told themselves that JFK was a threat to the United States, and that they knew better than JFK what was good for the country. But really they just wanted to take out the guy who was hurting their corporate profits and trying to drain the swamp. The CIA has been evil ever since.

bopper ago

The CIA used the mafia to do the hit.

party1981 ago

Yeah I think they were part of it.

bopper ago

You've got a lot on your plate to say the least :) But I do think you would very much profit, and enjoy, this interview. It's long though ... but one of the most priceless things on the web, as far as I'm concerned. But I'm a real Kennedy assassination buff, and know some of the older people that were involved. Good luck, stay sane!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr4vgHsmNEk

party1981 ago

Thank you. I will check it out. I know very little about JFK. But the little I saw made it obvious that it was CIA.

bopper ago

Yes. This confession will connect some dots between CIA (for example David Atlee Phillips) and the mafia.

Don't forget eventually to check out the ARRB with Douglas Horne and his masterpiece four volume work on the assassination (mainly the illicit Bethesda autopsy). Below is one link but he's all over youtube too.

http://jfkfacts.org/tag/doug-horne/

I 'speak' from time to time with Oswald's ex-mistress (she was w/ him in New Orleans back in the day). There's just so so much, just w/ JFK alone. (That was when they really started flexing their muscle.)

And check out the book Mary's Mosaic: The CIA Conspiracy to Murder John F. Kennedy, Mary Pinchot Meyer, and Their Vision for World Peace.

And it just goes on and on. Remember to get your sleep, as that's when the brain organizes everything you delved into the previous day :)