@reasonedandinformed - Calling you out as a CTR bot operator
@kingkongwaswrong
This sub is filled with CTR bots.
I have figured out how they work. It's not so easy to explain, feel free to ask questions, you might have to re-read this a few times before you can go "ahh haa". I will break it up into three parts.
First, I will present a very obvious example The thread in question can be seen here:
The actual post content is questionable, but that is another matter. I believe bots can attach to non-CTR posts as well, so the content of the OP does not matter so much for my case here. You can read my comments on the actual post content here (sort by 'bottom' and my comment is most downvoated, lol)
So... the CTR original poster - 'reasonedandinformed' (classic appeal to authority psyop) posts. Then presses "play" for a bot conversation to get comments up, and walks away.
Open this screencap now so you can follow my logic...
https://sli.mg/N3vPmY
Problem is in this instance, one of the comments at the start (Evidenceforthings) was complaining about an earlier comment (lawfag123) being downvoted, when the comment in question was not actually downvoted. Several legit human accounts (fireabend, onegin) noticed this and replied. @fireabend even posted a screencap here https://sli.mg/xjXUYj A glitch in the matrix was observed. I saw this myself a few hours after these other guys noticed.
And who comes along to explain the glitch? Not any of the alleged bot posters that the questioners where actually addressing, but the human supervisor account, the OP - reasonedandinformed. The explaination was that one of the 'bots' was not refering to a voat post, but one from reddit/self. Complete BS excuse.
Second: How the bots work
The CTR strategy is this; they have sets of prewritten 'conversations' between the bot accounts, a real person has to hit the 'play' button, and also monitor it for any non-bot activity that they can later respond to if needed. When the original post is from CTR, the conversation makes sense, it is related to the original post.
But when the OP is from a real person and CTR does not have a response written up already, they play something semi-related, probably find something from keywords or in line with one of their strategies (strategy examples: disinfo, racist violent redneck, conspiricy nutter, sexist men, bible basher etc.). This results in a post with entire threads of conversation only tentatively related to the OP. It looks strange. Here is an example; https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1476125 The post is about the CIA planning a coup on Donald Trump to cover up pizzagate. The top reply, and replies to that reply are about 'Jesus' and do not relate to the original post at all. Another glitch in the CTR bot matrix.
Third topic... The controlled overthrow of LegionWill
I have had my eye on LegionWill for some time. I started by simply calling this account out (where is your source.. etc), then eventually gathered a big list of BS he posted. CTR was watching and could see I was going to destroy him. In the back of my mind I thought they would 'throw him under the bus' in order to maintain credibility of their bot army.
I wrote up a well sourced post why LegionWill is a CTR shill, and posted it on one of his threads https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1473609/7142307 . Immediately, another account came in to support me https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1473609/7143128. I even replied to this saying how amazing the timing was, and that it makes it look like we are coordinating. This account was 'reasonedandinformed'. Reasonedandinformed was controlled opposition. They helped me by providing proof of a forged screenshot of kingkongwaswrong on reddit. They had the screenshot because they made the screenshot. All of a sudden it looked like the whole 'community' was on my side. Exactly what I was expecting from a controlled opposition bot army. So I made a new post here hinting at that, titled "LegionWill thrown under the bus by his own shill army" - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1474104
After LegionWill was gone, it was almost like he was still there. Posts on 'hot' had all the hallmarks of his postings. But the posts were now made under username 'reasonedandinformed'. They are just as poorly sourced rubbish as LegionWill was posting before, and upvoated like crazy.
In summary, I believe this sub is infested with bots. And the only way I think we can beat them is to figure out who the legitimate accounts are, not who the shills are, because there are far too many shills.
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reasonedandinformed ago
#JESUS from a believer. Just go to this thread (https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1473609)) to see the proof that @LegionWill is CTR. The fact that two people dedicated to bringing justice are named as CTR while the obvious CTR is called legitimate is concerning about @DuffBeer4Me actually. Please take the time to look into our histories to help sort things as this is getting crazy.
DuffBeer4Me ago
Who are the two people dedicated to bringing justice who are being named as CTR?
reasonedandinformed ago
Why would you accuse me of being a BOT? Why did you plant a red-herring about me, someone who clearly is working to get to the truth, which is international in nature?
The premise of your post was that this comment in response to my post (https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1476934)) did not make sense:
"Problem is in this instance, one of the comments at the start (Evidenceforthings) was complaining about an earlier comment (lawfag123) being downvoted, when the comment in question was not actually downvoted. Several legit human accounts (fireabend, onegin) noticed this and replied."
The person was literally directly responding to my actual post, if you bothered to read it. The first two sentences of the third paragraph of my actual post are pasted here for you and all to see: "My post about this MSM-censorship fact on Reddit was downvoted by some people! Who would downvote this explosive exposure of media censorship?"
So you basically showed that someone took the time to read my actual full post and responded to a particular item I raised, but you did not even bother to read this, did you?
You also claimed that I invented the evidence against LegionWill. I pasted it directly from his own history. He had literally fabricated the item and was so stupid as to time stamp it days after Reddit shut down our investigation.
If you are really searching for the truth, you need to apologize for falsely accusing me and somehow retract this. Otherwise, it is obvious that you are a CTR shill.
DuffBeer4Me ago
I'll try again. Who are the "two people dedicated to bringing justice who are being named as CTR"? Or do you lack comprehension of your own words. Two usernames... that's all I am asking for.
reasonedandinformed ago
I am referring to myself (who you labeled as a CTR BOT) and @kingkongwaswrong. How did that fact escape you after your post essentially targeted both of us?
kingkongwaswrong ago
cant tell if you're both shills, or neither shills, or one or the other is a shill.
Why don't you both have a go at pretending each other aren't shills, and see if you can resolve it from there.
@duffbeer4me the only link I can see that @reasonedandinformed is a shill according to you, is that he responded on the weird comment re: 'omg why are you getting downvoted' and linked it to something he was experiencing on reddit. Can you elaborate as I wasn't 100% sure this was hard evidence this guy is a shill, unless I'm missing something.
@reasonedandinformed can you please explain why you shared that link to reddit? I didnt understand why you posted it or what you were trying to say. It did seem weird in context as you linked to a post rather than a comment, and why would what happens in reddit be relevant to voting mechanics here?
If any of you are shills, I suggest... considering if this really is what you want to be pouring your energy into, and consider how it is affecting your life peripherally. I can guarantee you that there is a better life out there if you just let go.
Peace, look forward to well intentioned and clear responses guys
reasonedandinformed ago
Just read his thread from yesterday and read my response. It was ridiculous. Look at the history. His post claimed that people were responding about my post (https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1476934)) being downvoted without any reason. They were responding to the first 2 sentences of the 3rd paragraph. JUST READ MY POST. End of story. The whole post was insane, and I am not sure if duff needs to take a break or is CTR, but his claims were debunked by my responses and a look at my history. I do not have time to waste on this crap.
kingkongwaswrong ago
ooohh... I think I see now =/ gosh