Learn about logical fallacies and how they are used to control people. Most of the strategies employed by the shill network are based on logical fallacies like red herring, ad hominem, appeal to authority (global warming), appeal to emotion (which is used a lot here on us for its sensitive value). http://www.triviumeducation.com/http://www.triviumeducation.com/texts/42Fallacies.pdf
We need to highlight the names of these brave souls, and show these people attacking the messengers, that they are only showing themselves up more. Monica and Andrew both left us direct messages about these things. They risked their life, because it was that important that it be known. It is known now, and their souls live forever, I believe, in being part of such an important cause.
Yes, there are assholes on the internet. The ONLY thing you need to--or can afford to--worry about is your work and being a warrior against these atrocities. Who the fuck cares what the paid shills are doing? Every single "cause" has a counter movement, that's how it's designed to work and that's how the machine has been so successful in perpetuating these horrific crimes. Case in point: The NIH (yes, Nat'l Institutes of Health) paid workers to troll article comment sections after hours to discredit what they termed the "pseudoscience" movement for Lyme Disease (advocates have been working furiously to overturn decades-old bad science in order to get millions of sufferers better diagnostics and treatment guidelines...the CDC and NIH and other components of the government are fighting very hard against it. This is a complicated issue but one possible reason is that Lyme is a bioweapon.)
This is a very long and nasty journey. Your team is far more valuable on this most important investigation in modern history than anything the paid shills are doing and you must toughen up and look beyond the noise. But if you can't, you need to do something more satisfying and healthier for you. Your audience is still here, reading, searching, doing and that is all that matters. Ignore the noise.
I'm had someone be mean to me the other day, out of nowhere. but that is one percent of what has otherwise been mostly very inspiring interactions. I feel priviledged to be with the great minds here, who have been doing such amazing work. it is for the most part, an uplifting thing for me, to see so many dedicated souls, working on one united cause. I am hoping, when pizzagate is solved, we will be able to get to know each other, and put our minds together, for other combined efforts. It is only one, to one and half percent of the population, ruining the world for all of us, and doing the most harmful things. they stand out more than one percent for the extreme things that they do, but it is up to us, to remind ourselves of the real ratio, and take heart from it.
i agree 100% i wish the user had more control over this web forumn, like everyone being able to up and down vote from the get-go(10 a day sounds fine still). it is too easy to be over-run by the paid shills who spend all day commenting bougus nonsense so they can get down-voating capabilities across multiple accounts, and thus weve been infiltrated. :( just use discernment in following leads, and look a few pages down when looking for new subs, because the top posts are often misleading bs, or old news.
It's dangerous to talk about pizzagate. Here or anywhere else. So stay smart. Keep your voat identity separate from your normal identity. Don't use a similar username or password. Compartmentalize.
Definitely agree. The environment here now is hugely different from last week. It's very sad that CTR is actually winning, on voat and elsewhere. The solution? Not sure
If Voat is supposed to be a raw-feed place, then I agree - raw-feeds are exactly that - and one does not get to the meat of raw data quickly.
Yes, Voat is supposed to be a raw-feed place - mostly. Free speech and all.
I do get the romance of the wild-west and freedom; great to correlate it with the evidence and reason. My brother and I are working on a debate platform to do just that, and those are some of the metaphors we use.
Drop that and create a safe, sourced, curated info repository of your own. A lot of people - who don't want to wade through Wild West - will appreciate it.
I've gotten some nasty comments from just short, broad statements I made where I get a three paragraph reply. It's definitely shills or overly emotional people.
Pizzagate fatigue... If it's possible for the shills to keep the researchers exhausted, that is by playing upon frustrations and a sense of helplessness, or in other words it's the "Hi, I'm new, can anyone give me a summary of the evidence?" thread again and again in every possible configuration of rhetoric... At the rate things are going, everyone will be the foremost experts in 21st century counter-intelligence techniques but send zero child molesters to jail.
I'm getting the same feeling but part of the reason is WAY too many people are posting shit posts like "SHILLS/CTR'S HAVE INFILTRATED OUR UNIVERSE!!!" Another thing killing it for me is now I find myself wading through pages of shit to finally get to something new or legitimate. I think there are STILL people posting about the gunman having an IMDB page as a new thread like they just discovered it. Way too much of that crap going on. The mods need to clean this up but when they do, some idiots go after them for doing so then call them a cuck or a CTR or... it's annoying as hell.
But screw the folks who tell you to "buck up". They're wrong.
They're not. Asking for someone else to "curate" and pre-chew your info is a mistake. It's the siren song of the MSM where you're expected to sit back and passively soak up the program. Train yourself to parse logic and evidence and you'll be ready to face everything on the World Wide Web. It's a crucial skill in today's info-war environment. Besides - creating a "truth committee" would put a target on their back for co-option.
If this is citizen journalism then it has to produce content useful to investigators and reporters, and not a pile of crap for them to wade through
The sticky can do that. Everything else should be Wild West - obvious shilling removed but everything else left to sink or swim on the strength of evidence and reason.
Apparently you think that I'm using "triggered" in the SJW sense. No, I'm using it to describe what happens when you read something and it "triggers" an emotional response. When you're mindful and self-aware enough to realize when it happens. It's called a trigger.
Stay strong. Backlash on this avenue is to be expected. There is infiltration by those who keep us silent, and maybe close mindedness by some, with no ill intent. This should not stop us from pressing forward, we just have to deal with it. Others have dealt with a hell of a lot worse.
I totally agree with Tracybeanz. You can't have a discussion here unless you follow the narrative from the conspiracy theorists. I mean why can't we just exchange information and opinions without being automatically labeled a shill or a pedo? I mean some are posting about Reptilians and Illuminati and you can't argue with these fucktards without them getting aggressive. It's just getting crazy.
To me, those who can't handle someone who doesn't agree with them are doing a better job at discrediting PG than the shills or whatever you call them.
Don't leave!! It's what the trolls want you to do. They want to make it so uncomfortable for truth seekers that they'll drop the whole pizzagate theory. Ignore the trolls and shills. Keep posting information that you find. To me, the more you get trolled, the more you know your on to something.
No offense, but who cares about your feelings? This is about finding the truth. If this all really turns out to be what so many think it is, the people who know the truth or are willing to help but won't because they could get their feelings hurt are a part of the problem. For someone supposedly doing this long before anyone else, I am surprised you haven't realized this.
Regardless, do the right thing. If you feel like that is taking your ball and going home, go for it. Battles aren't won by deserters.
You are investigating a child sex ring that involves lots of politicians and stretches through multiple countries, and you expect it to be comfortable? Anons have died in this investigation, and you want to make a woe is me post distracting from digging. There are shills, no shit it is to be expected by anyone who knows the gravity of the situation. That is the bare minimum to expect, lives have been lost and all you care about is your personal feelings. Suck it up or get off Voat. Did you not get the Voat enterance, welcome to Voat now fuck you. His name was 34a66c and his sacrifice shall not be forgotten.
Your opinion is valid, but please consider the amount of utterly ridiculous unsubstantiated speculation that gets posted, not to mention the absurd levels of confirmation bias. I think people are getting vitriolic because they need to weed through endless crap.
Case in point is the thread the other day by someone all excited they found a smoking gun with a craigslist posting for an actor to do a job in DC and be the Comet gunman. I mean just idiotic stuff. How can you not get irritated?
We should keep our own idiots on a shorter leash, because sometimes they do more damage than the shills, who seem to be some highschool dropouts, collected for the job through an ad on CL.
I've experienced on several occasions now, people being downright nasty and mean when they don't necessarily agree with a piece of evidence, or a piece of evidence is found and then later proven to be a non lead.
So? People got spooked by shills. Nobody said that shills aren't successful at all. They aren't very good at what they are doing, but they did manage to get us against each other.
I noticed that I was falling into it myself as well, getting paranoid who's a shill and who's not. My suggestions:
accept the existence of shills, you can't do anything about them
don't call anybody a shill, this brings no good - you may be accusing an innocent person
I have been an activist for over 15 years
So you should know better. This isn't a game anymore, this is a full-contact war.
We actively TRY to disprove things, but we do it respectfully
Me to, but so what? Not everybody has 15 years of experience. Be like Joshua of Nazareth, lead the sheep. Excuse those who wronged you.
Otherwise you are a pawn of the shills, who are paid to do what they are doing.
mate, just bear with it, in the end you will see that mean words in the internet wont hurt you. Also if people cant be mean, then that means that something needs to decide what is mean and what is not -> corrupt that something and you have a censorship
Call me, you and the world NAMES on the INTERNET all you want, who gives a flying fuck. There are REAL LIVE children trapped somewhere needing OUR help. Every god damn site is infiltrated, it is up to US taking the info and talking to neighbors, family, friends. LOCALLY looking for these symbols and key words. NATIONALLY standing together, locking arms, protecting our children. And for once, in this global tragedy, coming together as a SPECIES to protect our own.
See how little name calling, or some down votes, won't suppress any of the true transformation?
Agree...we have hit a point where people should be way beyond acting like pussies.
But this is how they control us...through fear...they have been doing it for 100s if not thousands of years to control the public.
If they can control your mind and keep it locked in fear then they will win.
Their latest fear tactic is that you will shamed by people for speaking the truth and your truth might get rejected because of "fake news" or be labeled "alt right".
Who give a fuck anymore about being "politically correct" when our whole way of life and others lives are at stake?...
Like I said, sounds like bullshit. And yet there they are, sitting in my inbox: four requests to change my ebay password on Dec 4th.
Not interested in proving it to you, couldn't really without telling you who I am, but that's what I am looking at sooo... Any logical explanation would be helpful.
Deletions of comments is what caused this sub to go into meltdown mode a few weeks ago. We get yelled at for censorship all the time just for deleting bad posts, although that does seem to be a minority. There are plenty of comments that deserve to get deleted. We know there are shills and trolls here, and it's not hard to spot them, but part of what makes voat voat is the fact that it was intended to be a completely open platform with no censorship. If there was undeniable, overwhelming support for comment moderation, we might do it, but the risks right now are greater than the reward.
Unlike (the current version of) reddit, at voat the curation is done by the users and not the mods. I hope that someday atko or put can work on voat full time; i would like to see a more powerful curation for what each user sees. It has worked very well for voat up until very recently when the fake users get an automatic lump of upvotes with every comment and post. For now it is unwise to call for more heavily handed moderation though, and much better to call out shit comments and make sure to look at the downvote counts, a valid post on voat will almost always have 0 or 1 downvote.
Yea, I agree, there's almost 8k subs, bound to be some dickheads, and loads of shills. Trouble is we'll only convince some people actively harming the investigation thru abuse and posts about why it would be great if Hitler was still alive. Have to just get on with it and do our best.
For fucks sake! Are you really trying to make this about your fucking self?! What do you want, a safe space?
People are being mean to me so I'm quitting. Fuck off then
What better way to discourage people then to think it is hopeless to even post anything or research anything.
There is more of us then THEM...
One good thing about Voat is there are limits to how many times you can upvote or downvote so even if a shilltard has over 100 accounts there is only so much damage they can do to counter thousands of upvotes by users.
anymore? shit like that is going on since we moved from reddit to voat. i am here since the beginning and still not beeing able to downvote shitposts because i dont agree with antisemitism. get over it !
I've experienced on several occasions now, people being downright nasty
Some of us tolerate morons better than others and there are a slew of morons pouring into this place. No critical thinking skills, not even the ability to search before posting month old information as if they just discovered it.
If they can't tolerate some flak for being dumb, or you can't tolerate seeing someone else getting flak for being dumb, then neither of you belong here.
There are both paid shills and some serious crazies who attack everyone who doesn't agree with them. I saw this during the satanic panic and again after 9/11. They're using the truth as a placeholder for their own fucked up theory or are straight up injecting crazy sensationalist garbage to rile people up. Talk show hosts in the 80s and charlatans sold people on the satanic panic based off of a schizophrenic woman's claims about a day care. They ran with it until we got to our current state with people like Alex Jones and youtuber's who while possibly on to the truth can't help but sensationalize it with fucking lizard people. Saying "Global elite", "NWO", "Illuminati", "Global Satanic Network", is a great fucking way for the people committing actual crimes to discredit those who are on to them.
Case in point would be everyone upvoating a post about Ted Gunderson. If you at all studied the satanic panic and what actually went down you're going to find he was one of many charlatan's selling bad information. Which is great if you are an actual pedophile who abuses their power to get what they want. Because now if you inject that right amount of crazy or have a fake honeytrap people will go chasing insane shit like secret tunnels and satanic ritual abuse. Instead of you know actual pedophiles who abuse children from positions of power. 9/11 woke me up to the vulnerability of people who went looking for the truth, instead of exposing crimes they went on discrediting themselves talking about thermite, dancing Israelis, holographic missles, and reptilian overlords. This satanic panic shit is just something people in the mainstream inject into the conspiracy world to discredit people. Focus on the emails, find the money trails, stop going of on insane tangents about satanist reptiles using secret tunnels to sell organs to china. Even if it is true it will look insane to those on the outside looking in.
I wouldn't worry about being attacked, that is part of the territory. You can't live in fear of everything and no one is going to be safe if the chomos continue to abuse children.
This is linked in the sidebar but I cannot stress enough how important it is to be very familiar with these tactics. https://sli.mg/5HK8jK Please read once a day before you begin posting. It's a process to learn what this shit looks like in a forum setting. Make it a game to spot them, it is actually fun and you don't become upset at them any longer because you can see the larger picture. If anything the shills are useful for signaling when we are on to something very hot. https://sli.mg/5HK8jKhttps://sli.mg/5HK8jK
You can almost guarantee that anyone organically coming to this sub is already on board with the facts we established here. That said, anyone willing to disagree and be foul to you in this forum that isn't concerned with the basis of establishing FACT with EVIDENCE to support it, is outright a shill or should be treated as one. There will always be a loud dissenting voice amongst us, we just gotta make sure we are louder with the truth. The truth always speaks for itself.
I have warned about this before and nobody listened. Now thanks to the hostility ,people who contribute to this sub are feeling uncomfortable.STOP DISCOURAGING people. What's so difficult about having a respectful dialogue?
This is a serious topic we're discussing
That's partially because this is a pop culture conspiracy theory, with almost everything about the emails and Comet Ping Pong fueled by speculation. Now don't take that like I'm against pizzagate. I've been around since day one, started with operation Berenstein on reddit, and like you I have been following wikileaks since before the video they released of the journalist being killed that made.them popular. There are many layers to this topic, and it's a very emotional one. Add to the fact that everyone is anonymous, and there are people with hidden agendas here, and there are new new noobies every day, and there is a shit ton of damning evidence about some high powered people. Things can get a bit strange. Not sure what I mean with this post. I just woke up, and haven't been sleeping much lately. Just wanted to say hang in there if you can, there are some of us that are still sane and rational.
I get it-- trust me... But there used to be some internal oversight. I just spoke with someone who said a mod removed their info with no warning and didn't respond when asked why... And you can't downvote something (OR FLAG IT DEBUNKED!!) before you read it, or watch it, or use your brain to investigate yourself and then provide sourced reasons why you disagree with it! People come here and trust us. It's a huge responsibility- for one, we need to make sure the facts we present and evidence we show is real, and if it isn't we PROVE why, (same goes for real stuff) and on the other hand, we can't turn into a population of lynch mob activists.. Rough roads
some are not going about this with an investigative, non-biased ethic - for example, they are seeing pictures of a walk-in cooler with the accompanying comment "killroom" and concluding that this is where children are killed and the stains are blood stains, etc., when in fact there is nothing odd about the cooler itself
that's just one example - there are many more
and if, as a researcher, you point out this flawed and dangerous "logic", you may get dumped on
there is plenty of quality evidence over many decades to sew-up organized pedo rings, the latest of which is PizzaGate, but we need not be jumping to conclusions and manufacturing evidence which has no basis in reality
The owner or one of his buddies labelled it the "killroom". I see it as a form of trolling towards the Pizza players to keep throwing it in their faces, so they can't pretend like they're some wholesome collective of butter-wouldn't-melt-in-their-mouths good guys. It undercuts their narrative of being a bunch of family friendly and harmless "community uncles".
It may be a cheap shot, but fuck 'em.
I wouldn't put much weight on it as evidence of wrong-doing, but it's fine for the occasional bitch-slapping.
... but it's fine for the occasional bitch-slapping.
i can sympathize with that, but you must understand that it also undercuts the credibility of the research in general when people insinuate, without any evidence, that a walk-in cooler is a "kill room" where children are being slaughtered and there's blood stains on the floor
There's nothing odd about the picture of a cooler, nor one "killroom" comment in themselves, but when they are combined, the context changes dramatically and becomes extremely odd. If you can't connect two dots together, then I wonder how you can help this investigation.
I stand corrected. I admit that reading people's comments without knowing anything about them or their profiles is quite confusing at times, especially when it comes to trying to discern their real meaning.
I agree with both of you. It could be, that ppl into this crap, also joke and fantasize about it. So the freezer could be a joke or fantasy. It could also be real. But, when you want others to take you seriously, and they don't, they will focus in on these items which don't prove anything. Didn't get much sleep, so not sure I'm explaining this well.
Yeah due to the nature of the topic, people get triggered like crazy and their emotions make them rage and jump to conclusions. They go into PedoPanic and call for a lynch mob.
When you're not getting triggered by the horrifying truth of PizzaGate, you're getting triggered by people calling you Fake News which brings up the fight and rage and you lose your cool. It starts flame wars and arguments and the diligent research gets thrown off track.
This stuff is triggering, but after awhile, you get desensitized and can approach your research with a more level head.
Voat isn't a safe space, it's a free-speech space. Practice proper opsec so you don't get doxed, and ignore people who scream useless obscenities, or otherwise try to get under your skin. Focus on constructive conversation instead. Pseudonymity is what continues to allow conversation to take place. Centralizing with "trusted" people is dangerous.
Edit: Also, watch out for people using the word "dangerous" in general, come to think of it. There is nothing dangerous about thinking and investigating. After all, don't police like to say "if you've got nothing to hide..."?
The methods are surprisingly easy. provoke emotional reactions, reduce efficiency of the action to sabotage by sheer volume, by distraction, by releasing misinformation or by corrupting sources of information. As you said be suspicious of people declaring things. Be suspicious of people that want to stick to the manual at all costs. Be suspicious of people that say we have to stop for what reason ever. the stop is one of the hugest red flags.
You cant identify them by age of account, they are better than that.
The best method to block their efforts I yet found is forcing constructive dialogue at all costs, and keeping your emotions under control. Ignore insults, and provocative language and statements, be constructive and promote open dialogue. They can only spread misinformation in a climate of this. And we are enough people to dismantle red herrings.
sorry if I abuse your post to promote that, but it is important to inform as many people as possible to not be gullible about their interactions.
Not agreeing is one thing--- but saying something is "false" with no basis whatsoever is another thing entirely. I want people to prove me wrong, but not with the absence of facts. That is what is happening now. People aren't even bothering to watch or read for themselves before coming at people with the flaming torches. It's sad. And it isn't only me
Tracy, this is a new world. You need to learn to shitpost. Someone blasts you, you blast them back.
Pizzagate originated out of the Chans and The_Don along with Voat. These are largely boy's clubs. I know you don't want to hear this, but this is how boys play and form group bonds. We test each other for both weakness and stoicism. We need to know the other guy has our back and can take any punishment that comes our way without jumping ship.
And I'm sorry but Two-X and Tumblr ain't on this shit. For all intents and purposes the girls clubs don't give a fuck.
However, we won't run you out for being a girl, but we'll run you out for expecting special treatment or status.
It may be better for you to stick to research and have a chosen pal "interface" with the community here if you want to pass on leads. If you walk away from the research aspect, that's you putting your feels before the victim kid's reals. It's not us failing to make you feel "comfortable".
You want "comfortable", go to Reddit, they erase and censor nasty mean boys like us (and our own breed of mean girls). You are guaranteed to have nothing upsetting or disturbing crossing your field of vision or people challenging or dissing you...you know, unless you insist the Clintons or other "progressive" untouchables are connected to child abuse peddlers. But thems the deals you make in order to feel "comfortable".
there are multiple Issues at hand. We are getting flooded by people interested in the topic for whatever reason. Its not only honest interest, its also curiosity or just boredom. Also our society is on a spectrum of intelligence and education, there are not-educated people honestly caring about children as well as there are well educated trolls.
People are emotionally invested, I just mediated some cases of this yesterday, and people feel paranoid of other people being just here to deceive and disrupt. The chans have this issue for years now, as they are on of the last open boards on the internet that are basically unmoderated free speech. The accumulation of nonsense AND extremist opinion is palpable, but you will never know how much of that is just distraction by companies like Correct the Record. [And there are Intelligence services, whose whole reason of existance is us]https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/)
I agree, having secretive communication aswell is important, but dont abort the open channels because of the climate. It is the easiest method of the powers that be to make us uncomfortable here, it is the virtual version of agents provocateurs
that poster today summed it up "we want this to be fake news too". Basically, yes we are all on the same side here and it shouldn't be that hard to make construction criticism in a mature way. I do think though, that there have been a tremendous amount of terrible posts over the last 48 hours, so it's difficult being helpful and supportive when people simply are not up to date or providing anything useful.
Bingo. If you've spent anytime on /pol you'll be used to these tactics. The idea is to make the conversation toxic, to discourage you from contributing. Yesterday I noticed one of my posts was replied to by a 38 minute old account telling me I shouldn't post here. They couldn't be more transparent.
If anyone is disrespectful to you they are a shill 100% of the time. No exceptions. If you don't realize that there are thousands of people who are PAID to post on message board then it might surprise you when you encounter them. The shills are intelligent and know how to lead conversation away by muddying the waters, by concern trolling, by posting false leads. The problem for them is that the truth is so straight forward that if you focus on just the facts they can't distract you.
If you want to investigate pedophiles that are politically connected you better believe there will be blowback. Sorry you have to deal with negativity but those are the breaks.
"I have been an activist for over 15 years, and i have been researching wikileaks since before they were cool." You must know better than all of us what it is like to be ridiculed for having a different opinion on something.. so why does this bother you now? Surely you can see more than ever the weight this PizzaGate movement is gaining? The trolls are such a minority. I'm confused..
I hope you stick with us and help get to the bottom of this mess!
And then I had a post where I show the traffic camera down in realtime. It was flagged as "debunked". I can't post things in real time and have people come out saying it is debunked. I literally show the camera down in real time. I show it has been removed from the official websites in real time. Anyone who watched the video can see that as I was showing it, in real time, it had been removed. My post was flagged as "debunked" and that discredits me completely. Which sucks, because it was, in fact, true and did happen, and I have a lot of other research and a small but growing sub base who come to me for information... So, between this, the example above, and several other things I have seen, I don't feel comfortable posting here and expecting people to even watch or research what others are saying.
That's them panicking at your info and trying to smear you. It's means you're on to something, as you obviously were. But I get you OP, this is not a chan and the one-liner posters that do nothing but shit on very important info should be banned. I don't know why the mods here let them run wild, they should know enough to recognize that kind of tactic and ban them for being paid shills. Instead they let them run wild as if it were a chan but the posters here do not have the experience to discern what's going on and so become demoralized. That's their goal, OP, to make you feel like not posting here any longer. Don't let them win, don't even respond to them, they love getting responses. If you act like they're not even there it frustrates them. They live for that inbox to light up red, don't feed them at all.
Most people agree with you. The site seems to be compromised to some extend but there are legions of people who are with you. Somebody just tries to make you feel bad. Don't give up :)
Don't get disheartened. There are good people here too, who appreciate your input and who are reading and researching and not taking notice of the bulls*$t.
kekistocrat ago
Learn about logical fallacies and how they are used to control people. Most of the strategies employed by the shill network are based on logical fallacies like red herring, ad hominem, appeal to authority (global warming), appeal to emotion (which is used a lot here on us for its sensitive value). http://www.triviumeducation.com/ http://www.triviumeducation.com/texts/42Fallacies.pdf
YouaremeandIamyou ago
We need to highlight the names of these brave souls, and show these people attacking the messengers, that they are only showing themselves up more. Monica and Andrew both left us direct messages about these things. They risked their life, because it was that important that it be known. It is known now, and their souls live forever, I believe, in being part of such an important cause.
hedy ago
Yes, there are assholes on the internet. The ONLY thing you need to--or can afford to--worry about is your work and being a warrior against these atrocities. Who the fuck cares what the paid shills are doing? Every single "cause" has a counter movement, that's how it's designed to work and that's how the machine has been so successful in perpetuating these horrific crimes. Case in point: The NIH (yes, Nat'l Institutes of Health) paid workers to troll article comment sections after hours to discredit what they termed the "pseudoscience" movement for Lyme Disease (advocates have been working furiously to overturn decades-old bad science in order to get millions of sufferers better diagnostics and treatment guidelines...the CDC and NIH and other components of the government are fighting very hard against it. This is a complicated issue but one possible reason is that Lyme is a bioweapon.)
This is a very long and nasty journey. Your team is far more valuable on this most important investigation in modern history than anything the paid shills are doing and you must toughen up and look beyond the noise. But if you can't, you need to do something more satisfying and healthier for you. Your audience is still here, reading, searching, doing and that is all that matters. Ignore the noise.
YouaremeandIamyou ago
I'm had someone be mean to me the other day, out of nowhere. but that is one percent of what has otherwise been mostly very inspiring interactions. I feel priviledged to be with the great minds here, who have been doing such amazing work. it is for the most part, an uplifting thing for me, to see so many dedicated souls, working on one united cause. I am hoping, when pizzagate is solved, we will be able to get to know each other, and put our minds together, for other combined efforts. It is only one, to one and half percent of the population, ruining the world for all of us, and doing the most harmful things. they stand out more than one percent for the extreme things that they do, but it is up to us, to remind ourselves of the real ratio, and take heart from it.
zlomsocz ago
i agree 100% i wish the user had more control over this web forumn, like everyone being able to up and down vote from the get-go(10 a day sounds fine still). it is too easy to be over-run by the paid shills who spend all day commenting bougus nonsense so they can get down-voating capabilities across multiple accounts, and thus weve been infiltrated. :( just use discernment in following leads, and look a few pages down when looking for new subs, because the top posts are often misleading bs, or old news.
willofthewarrior ago
It's dangerous to talk about pizzagate. Here or anywhere else. So stay smart. Keep your voat identity separate from your normal identity. Don't use a similar username or password. Compartmentalize.
crazyworld ago
Definitely agree. The environment here now is hugely different from last week. It's very sad that CTR is actually winning, on voat and elsewhere. The solution? Not sure
ComesWithTheFall ago
David Brock, ex-bf of James Alefantis, runs Correct The Record, the super-PAC whose mission is to manipulate online discussion.
David Brock, ex-bf of James Alefantis, runs Correct The Record, the super-PAC whose mission is to manipulate online discussion.
David Brock, ex-bf of James Alefantis, runs Correct The Record, the super-PAC whose mission is to manipulate online discussion.
Free_Radical ago
Yes, Voat is supposed to be a raw-feed place - mostly. Free speech and all.
Drop that and create a safe, sourced, curated info repository of your own. A lot of people - who don't want to wade through Wild West - will appreciate it.
Splinterinyourmind ago
or kanye west.
starseedlover ago
Haha you have a point there! I didn't even realize it.
TRIGGERED!!!
Black_Phillip ago
I've gotten some nasty comments from just short, broad statements I made where I get a three paragraph reply. It's definitely shills or overly emotional people.
kirkspock ago
it's a trick. ignore it. can't be personal because they don't know you. ;)
betadynamique ago
Pizzagate fatigue... If it's possible for the shills to keep the researchers exhausted, that is by playing upon frustrations and a sense of helplessness, or in other words it's the "Hi, I'm new, can anyone give me a summary of the evidence?" thread again and again in every possible configuration of rhetoric... At the rate things are going, everyone will be the foremost experts in 21st century counter-intelligence techniques but send zero child molesters to jail.
HarveyKlinger ago
I'm getting the same feeling but part of the reason is WAY too many people are posting shit posts like "SHILLS/CTR'S HAVE INFILTRATED OUR UNIVERSE!!!" Another thing killing it for me is now I find myself wading through pages of shit to finally get to something new or legitimate. I think there are STILL people posting about the gunman having an IMDB page as a new thread like they just discovered it. Way too much of that crap going on. The mods need to clean this up but when they do, some idiots go after them for doing so then call them a cuck or a CTR or... it's annoying as hell.
Free_Radical ago
They're not. Asking for someone else to "curate" and pre-chew your info is a mistake. It's the siren song of the MSM where you're expected to sit back and passively soak up the program. Train yourself to parse logic and evidence and you'll be ready to face everything on the World Wide Web. It's a crucial skill in today's info-war environment. Besides - creating a "truth committee" would put a target on their back for co-option.
The sticky can do that. Everything else should be Wild West - obvious shilling removed but everything else left to sink or swim on the strength of evidence and reason.
starseedlover ago
Apparently you think that I'm using "triggered" in the SJW sense. No, I'm using it to describe what happens when you read something and it "triggers" an emotional response. When you're mindful and self-aware enough to realize when it happens. It's called a trigger.
msgtw123 ago
Stay strong. Backlash on this avenue is to be expected. There is infiltration by those who keep us silent, and maybe close mindedness by some, with no ill intent. This should not stop us from pressing forward, we just have to deal with it. Others have dealt with a hell of a lot worse.
NoMoreSlices ago
I totally agree with Tracybeanz. You can't have a discussion here unless you follow the narrative from the conspiracy theorists. I mean why can't we just exchange information and opinions without being automatically labeled a shill or a pedo? I mean some are posting about Reptilians and Illuminati and you can't argue with these fucktards without them getting aggressive. It's just getting crazy.
To me, those who can't handle someone who doesn't agree with them are doing a better job at discrediting PG than the shills or whatever you call them.
youhavetogoback123 ago
There are a lot of emotions due to the sensitive nature of the topic.
ToFat2Fish ago
Oh your poor poor feelings, man the fuck up and get over it or leave.
YingYangMom ago
Absolutely.
I_have_my_gun_ready ago
Don't leave!! It's what the trolls want you to do. They want to make it so uncomfortable for truth seekers that they'll drop the whole pizzagate theory. Ignore the trolls and shills. Keep posting information that you find. To me, the more you get trolled, the more you know your on to something.
Free_Radical ago
No one can lynch you through the Intertubes. Get a grip. If Tracybeanz account gets a few downboats put on your big boy pants and persevere.
Voat is a free speech environment. It's only suitable for people who can face (or learn to face) a wide range of opposing opinions and behaviours.
draugur ago
The world is little more than a flaming pile of evil and ignorant shit at present. Better get used to it.
retreaux ago
No offense, but who cares about your feelings? This is about finding the truth. If this all really turns out to be what so many think it is, the people who know the truth or are willing to help but won't because they could get their feelings hurt are a part of the problem. For someone supposedly doing this long before anyone else, I am surprised you haven't realized this.
Regardless, do the right thing. If you feel like that is taking your ball and going home, go for it. Battles aren't won by deserters.
EllenPaosEgo ago
You are investigating a child sex ring that involves lots of politicians and stretches through multiple countries, and you expect it to be comfortable? Anons have died in this investigation, and you want to make a woe is me post distracting from digging. There are shills, no shit it is to be expected by anyone who knows the gravity of the situation. That is the bare minimum to expect, lives have been lost and all you care about is your personal feelings. Suck it up or get off Voat. Did you not get the Voat enterance, welcome to Voat now fuck you. His name was 34a66c and his sacrifice shall not be forgotten.
oresd ago
Your opinion is valid, but please consider the amount of utterly ridiculous unsubstantiated speculation that gets posted, not to mention the absurd levels of confirmation bias. I think people are getting vitriolic because they need to weed through endless crap.
Case in point is the thread the other day by someone all excited they found a smoking gun with a craigslist posting for an actor to do a job in DC and be the Comet gunman. I mean just idiotic stuff. How can you not get irritated?
micha_ ago
I agree that the mods could do much more.
smokratez ago
Buddy. I know all about those who have died, or will die for our cause.
antipedo ago
We should keep our own idiots on a shorter leash, because sometimes they do more damage than the shills, who seem to be some highschool dropouts, collected for the job through an ad on CL.
Precipitate ago
Awww, your fee fees.
quantokitty ago
They're shlls.
Shills are nasty by definition. They're paid to be. They come on all dingy and nice and then when you respond -- WHAM!!!
Don't worry about it. Paid attack dogs. Let them earn their Soros money.
antipedo ago
So? People got spooked by shills. Nobody said that shills aren't successful at all. They aren't very good at what they are doing, but they did manage to get us against each other.
I noticed that I was falling into it myself as well, getting paranoid who's a shill and who's not. My suggestions:
So you should know better. This isn't a game anymore, this is a full-contact war.
Me to, but so what? Not everybody has 15 years of experience. Be like Joshua of Nazareth, lead the sheep. Excuse those who wronged you.
Otherwise you are a pawn of the shills, who are paid to do what they are doing.
koduu ago
what you are asking is for silencing dissidence for your opinion...........
Apply_Filters ago
No, it's the way the dissent is expressed: the lack of respect or the meanness, etc. It's not about silencing at all.
koduu ago
mate, just bear with it, in the end you will see that mean words in the internet wont hurt you. Also if people cant be mean, then that means that something needs to decide what is mean and what is not -> corrupt that something and you have a censorship
smokratez ago
People coming from reddit need a bit of time to get used to this place.
TheAwakening ago
Call me, you and the world NAMES on the INTERNET all you want, who gives a flying fuck. There are REAL LIVE children trapped somewhere needing OUR help. Every god damn site is infiltrated, it is up to US taking the info and talking to neighbors, family, friends. LOCALLY looking for these symbols and key words. NATIONALLY standing together, locking arms, protecting our children. And for once, in this global tragedy, coming together as a SPECIES to protect our own.
See how little name calling, or some down votes, won't suppress any of the true transformation?
redditsuckz ago
Agree...we have hit a point where people should be way beyond acting like pussies.
But this is how they control us...through fear...they have been doing it for 100s if not thousands of years to control the public.
If they can control your mind and keep it locked in fear then they will win.
Their latest fear tactic is that you will shamed by people for speaking the truth and your truth might get rejected because of "fake news" or be labeled "alt right".
Who give a fuck anymore about being "politically correct" when our whole way of life and others lives are at stake?...
PlayByPlayAnnouncer ago
I had ebay password reset requests after visiting that Mr. Potato head ebay page. That was pretty creepy.
And yes, I know this sounds like bullshit.
oresd ago
Yes, that's bullshit.
PlayByPlayAnnouncer ago
Like I said, sounds like bullshit. And yet there they are, sitting in my inbox: four requests to change my ebay password on Dec 4th.
Not interested in proving it to you, couldn't really without telling you who I am, but that's what I am looking at sooo... Any logical explanation would be helpful.
KnowThyself ago
Deletions of comments is what caused this sub to go into meltdown mode a few weeks ago. We get yelled at for censorship all the time just for deleting bad posts, although that does seem to be a minority. There are plenty of comments that deserve to get deleted. We know there are shills and trolls here, and it's not hard to spot them, but part of what makes voat voat is the fact that it was intended to be a completely open platform with no censorship. If there was undeniable, overwhelming support for comment moderation, we might do it, but the risks right now are greater than the reward.
peacegnome ago
Unlike (the current version of) reddit, at voat the curation is done by the users and not the mods. I hope that someday atko or put can work on voat full time; i would like to see a more powerful curation for what each user sees. It has worked very well for voat up until very recently when the fake users get an automatic lump of upvotes with every comment and post. For now it is unwise to call for more heavily handed moderation though, and much better to call out shit comments and make sure to look at the downvote counts, a valid post on voat will almost always have 0 or 1 downvote.
jonnythaiwongy9 ago
Yea, I agree, there's almost 8k subs, bound to be some dickheads, and loads of shills. Trouble is we'll only convince some people actively harming the investigation thru abuse and posts about why it would be great if Hitler was still alive. Have to just get on with it and do our best.
Wahwahweewah ago
They're shills
Heffter ago
Plz all nerds look into
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1467142
YingYangMom ago
This.
Thinchick ago
For fucks sake! Are you really trying to make this about your fucking self?! What do you want, a safe space? People are being mean to me so I'm quitting. Fuck off then
redditsuckz ago
"I have been an activist for over 15 years, and I have been researching wikileaks since before they were cool."
15 years eh?...your post smells like a PSYOP...same with this post;
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1467451
What better way to discourage people then to think it is hopeless to even post anything or research anything.
There is more of us then THEM...
One good thing about Voat is there are limits to how many times you can upvote or downvote so even if a shilltard has over 100 accounts there is only so much damage they can do to counter thousands of upvotes by users.
Example... Pizzagate Shillz
32+ upvotes from SAME COMPUTER;
https://i.sli.mg/TPCJeA.png
http://i.sli.mg/InQuNf.jpg
YingYangMom ago
Bullying only makes YOU look guilty as sin.
EllenPaosEgo ago
Man the fuck up nigger. We have a war to win, and we wont win it with pussies that get scared of leaving a safespace.
redditsuckz ago
"Bullying"?...are you a SJW lol?
Calling someone out on their BS fear mongering is not bullying.
leahbettsisdead ago
Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce the hipster of wikileaks.
eiggaMAD ago
LOL
smoothassilk ago
anymore? shit like that is going on since we moved from reddit to voat. i am here since the beginning and still not beeing able to downvote shitposts because i dont agree with antisemitism. get over it !
totesgoats908234 ago
Some of us tolerate morons better than others and there are a slew of morons pouring into this place. No critical thinking skills, not even the ability to search before posting month old information as if they just discovered it.
If they can't tolerate some flak for being dumb, or you can't tolerate seeing someone else getting flak for being dumb, then neither of you belong here.
Grow some fucking skin, do you realize what you are dealing with here? Cartel level criminal enterprise, where people end up like this - http://www.infolliteras.com/images/articles/violenciaguerrero8-wzjoiiw4x.jpg
Geronimo77 ago
Think of how uncomfortable all the victims were/are. Should be motivation enough for you to keep posting.
2impendingdoom ago
Pizzagate is about protecting innocent children from abuse. Why are you against that?
antisocialist ago
There are both paid shills and some serious crazies who attack everyone who doesn't agree with them. I saw this during the satanic panic and again after 9/11. They're using the truth as a placeholder for their own fucked up theory or are straight up injecting crazy sensationalist garbage to rile people up. Talk show hosts in the 80s and charlatans sold people on the satanic panic based off of a schizophrenic woman's claims about a day care. They ran with it until we got to our current state with people like Alex Jones and youtuber's who while possibly on to the truth can't help but sensationalize it with fucking lizard people. Saying "Global elite", "NWO", "Illuminati", "Global Satanic Network", is a great fucking way for the people committing actual crimes to discredit those who are on to them.
Case in point would be everyone upvoating a post about Ted Gunderson. If you at all studied the satanic panic and what actually went down you're going to find he was one of many charlatan's selling bad information. Which is great if you are an actual pedophile who abuses their power to get what they want. Because now if you inject that right amount of crazy or have a fake honeytrap people will go chasing insane shit like secret tunnels and satanic ritual abuse. Instead of you know actual pedophiles who abuse children from positions of power. 9/11 woke me up to the vulnerability of people who went looking for the truth, instead of exposing crimes they went on discrediting themselves talking about thermite, dancing Israelis, holographic missles, and reptilian overlords. This satanic panic shit is just something people in the mainstream inject into the conspiracy world to discredit people. Focus on the emails, find the money trails, stop going of on insane tangents about satanist reptiles using secret tunnels to sell organs to china. Even if it is true it will look insane to those on the outside looking in.
GrizzlyAl ago
I wouldn't worry about being attacked, that is part of the territory. You can't live in fear of everything and no one is going to be safe if the chomos continue to abuse children.
Yates ago
This is linked in the sidebar but I cannot stress enough how important it is to be very familiar with these tactics. https://sli.mg/5HK8jK Please read once a day before you begin posting. It's a process to learn what this shit looks like in a forum setting. Make it a game to spot them, it is actually fun and you don't become upset at them any longer because you can see the larger picture. If anything the shills are useful for signaling when we are on to something very hot. https://sli.mg/5HK8jK https://sli.mg/5HK8jK
Christophalese ago
You can almost guarantee that anyone organically coming to this sub is already on board with the facts we established here. That said, anyone willing to disagree and be foul to you in this forum that isn't concerned with the basis of establishing FACT with EVIDENCE to support it, is outright a shill or should be treated as one. There will always be a loud dissenting voice amongst us, we just gotta make sure we are louder with the truth. The truth always speaks for itself.
kneo24 ago
So far your criticism amounts to, "no you're wrong" without any substance to it.
looking4truth ago
I have warned about this before and nobody listened. Now thanks to the hostility ,people who contribute to this sub are feeling uncomfortable.STOP DISCOURAGING people. What's so difficult about having a respectful dialogue? This is a serious topic we're discussing
Yates ago
It's CTR, they're getting paid to discourage people. Telling them not to do it will have no effect. The mods need to ban them.
Tracybeanz ago
^^^THIS
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
That's partially because this is a pop culture conspiracy theory, with almost everything about the emails and Comet Ping Pong fueled by speculation. Now don't take that like I'm against pizzagate. I've been around since day one, started with operation Berenstein on reddit, and like you I have been following wikileaks since before the video they released of the journalist being killed that made.them popular. There are many layers to this topic, and it's a very emotional one. Add to the fact that everyone is anonymous, and there are people with hidden agendas here, and there are new new noobies every day, and there is a shit ton of damning evidence about some high powered people. Things can get a bit strange. Not sure what I mean with this post. I just woke up, and haven't been sleeping much lately. Just wanted to say hang in there if you can, there are some of us that are still sane and rational.
smokratez ago
People can make death threats on voat. The admins won't do anything. Only thing you can do is grow thicker skin. The cause is worth it.
Tracybeanz ago
Annnnd all of a sudden, this: https://postimg.org/image/n4fe4nuad/
redditsuckz ago
Hey Tracybeanz...wanna explain the Pentagram in the pinned tweet on your twitter?
https://twitter.com/tracybeanz/status/806254658108977152?lang=en
Explain pls...your not really a closet Satanist r u?
And who are you trying to frighten here?;
It's a scary world out there: Activist safety
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeUXyCTpJUE
Edit...also mind telling me why there is a fucking triangle and what looks like 3 666's in your name?...
YingYangMom ago
Same thing happened to me. I'm new here and I'm one of your YT subscribers. I love your videos! I'd hate to see you go.
Tracybeanz ago
Signal.
readstuff ago
Keep your eye on the target and don't let the frustrations (or the frustrated) get you down.
Tracybeanz ago
I get it-- trust me... But there used to be some internal oversight. I just spoke with someone who said a mod removed their info with no warning and didn't respond when asked why... And you can't downvote something (OR FLAG IT DEBUNKED!!) before you read it, or watch it, or use your brain to investigate yourself and then provide sourced reasons why you disagree with it! People come here and trust us. It's a huge responsibility- for one, we need to make sure the facts we present and evidence we show is real, and if it isn't we PROVE why, (same goes for real stuff) and on the other hand, we can't turn into a population of lynch mob activists.. Rough roads
herbertbakunin ago
it is D&C demoralizing tactic when people are deliberately acting this way it is not constructive. watch out for people trying to gaslight
DeltaBravoTango ago
18 minute old account with 4 comments, all anti-pizzagate. Go away.
TheCoonlol ago
*Like ^ (since I ran out)
xeemee ago
some are not going about this with an investigative, non-biased ethic - for example, they are seeing pictures of a walk-in cooler with the accompanying comment "killroom" and concluding that this is where children are killed and the stains are blood stains, etc., when in fact there is nothing odd about the cooler itself
that's just one example - there are many more
and if, as a researcher, you point out this flawed and dangerous "logic", you may get dumped on
there is plenty of quality evidence over many decades to sew-up organized pedo rings, the latest of which is PizzaGate, but we need not be jumping to conclusions and manufacturing evidence which has no basis in reality
Gorillion ago
The owner or one of his buddies labelled it the "killroom". I see it as a form of trolling towards the Pizza players to keep throwing it in their faces, so they can't pretend like they're some wholesome collective of butter-wouldn't-melt-in-their-mouths good guys. It undercuts their narrative of being a bunch of family friendly and harmless "community uncles".
It may be a cheap shot, but fuck 'em.
I wouldn't put much weight on it as evidence of wrong-doing, but it's fine for the occasional bitch-slapping.
xeemee ago
i can sympathize with that, but you must understand that it also undercuts the credibility of the research in general when people insinuate, without any evidence, that a walk-in cooler is a "kill room" where children are being slaughtered and there's blood stains on the floor
YingYangMom ago
There's nothing odd about the picture of a cooler, nor one "killroom" comment in themselves, but when they are combined, the context changes dramatically and becomes extremely odd. If you can't connect two dots together, then I wonder how you can help this investigation.
xeemee ago
read my comment again
YingYangMom ago
I stand corrected. I admit that reading people's comments without knowing anything about them or their profiles is quite confusing at times, especially when it comes to trying to discern their real meaning.
xeemee ago
with me it's easy because i don't have the intellect or word-smithing ability to say much else other than exactly what i mean :)
thanks
YingYangMom ago
Well, that makes two of us lol
dzdork ago
I agree with both of you. It could be, that ppl into this crap, also joke and fantasize about it. So the freezer could be a joke or fantasy. It could also be real. But, when you want others to take you seriously, and they don't, they will focus in on these items which don't prove anything. Didn't get much sleep, so not sure I'm explaining this well.
heygeorge ago
Xeemee is quite the investigator, if you ask me, and knows how to separate the legit from the wild speculation.
Instead of just "wondering" how he can help, perhaps take a gander at his user profile.
starseedlover ago
Yeah due to the nature of the topic, people get triggered like crazy and their emotions make them rage and jump to conclusions. They go into PedoPanic and call for a lynch mob.
When you're not getting triggered by the horrifying truth of PizzaGate, you're getting triggered by people calling you Fake News which brings up the fight and rage and you lose your cool. It starts flame wars and arguments and the diligent research gets thrown off track.
This stuff is triggering, but after awhile, you get desensitized and can approach your research with a more level head.
Tracybeanz ago
Man, this totally isn't meant to be one of those "awe woe is me, feel bad for me." posts. I appreciate those words. In solidarity for the truth
anon123 ago
If someone disagrees with you, assume they are shills from CTR and ignore them unless you think that specific person is unlikely to be a shill.
happy_snek ago
Voat isn't a safe space, it's a free-speech space. Practice proper opsec so you don't get doxed, and ignore people who scream useless obscenities, or otherwise try to get under your skin. Focus on constructive conversation instead. Pseudonymity is what continues to allow conversation to take place. Centralizing with "trusted" people is dangerous.
Edit: Also, watch out for people using the word "dangerous" in general, come to think of it. There is nothing dangerous about thinking and investigating. After all, don't police like to say "if you've got nothing to hide..."?
amCassandraAMA ago
Deny Disrupt Degrade Deceive, Destroy, Protect - That is the Motto of JTRIG https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
If you dig the rabbithole of PSYOP long enough, you will read books of 1968 activists and their story how their group got infiltrated and destroyed, released 1944 military material on how to support the résistance and unhappy citizens in the Nazi Regime, and how to most efficiently sabotage.
The methods are surprisingly easy. provoke emotional reactions, reduce efficiency of the action to sabotage by sheer volume, by distraction, by releasing misinformation or by corrupting sources of information. As you said be suspicious of people declaring things. Be suspicious of people that want to stick to the manual at all costs. Be suspicious of people that say we have to stop for what reason ever. the stop is one of the hugest red flags. You cant identify them by age of account, they are better than that.
The best method to block their efforts I yet found is forcing constructive dialogue at all costs, and keeping your emotions under control. Ignore insults, and provocative language and statements, be constructive and promote open dialogue. They can only spread misinformation in a climate of this. And we are enough people to dismantle red herrings.
sorry if I abuse your post to promote that, but it is important to inform as many people as possible to not be gullible about their interactions.
xeemee ago
excellent points
Gab001 ago
Cld not said it any better!
Tracybeanz ago
Not agreeing is one thing--- but saying something is "false" with no basis whatsoever is another thing entirely. I want people to prove me wrong, but not with the absence of facts. That is what is happening now. People aren't even bothering to watch or read for themselves before coming at people with the flaming torches. It's sad. And it isn't only me
Kregan ago
So sadly true . . . Be vigilant in your pursuit of truth. Take care and be easy.
Gorillion ago
Tracy, this is a new world. You need to learn to shitpost. Someone blasts you, you blast them back.
Pizzagate originated out of the Chans and The_Don along with Voat. These are largely boy's clubs. I know you don't want to hear this, but this is how boys play and form group bonds. We test each other for both weakness and stoicism. We need to know the other guy has our back and can take any punishment that comes our way without jumping ship.
And I'm sorry but Two-X and Tumblr ain't on this shit. For all intents and purposes the girls clubs don't give a fuck.
However, we won't run you out for being a girl, but we'll run you out for expecting special treatment or status.
It may be better for you to stick to research and have a chosen pal "interface" with the community here if you want to pass on leads. If you walk away from the research aspect, that's you putting your feels before the victim kid's reals. It's not us failing to make you feel "comfortable".
You want "comfortable", go to Reddit, they erase and censor nasty mean boys like us (and our own breed of mean girls). You are guaranteed to have nothing upsetting or disturbing crossing your field of vision or people challenging or dissing you...you know, unless you insist the Clintons or other "progressive" untouchables are connected to child abuse peddlers. But thems the deals you make in order to feel "comfortable".
amCassandraAMA ago
there are multiple Issues at hand. We are getting flooded by people interested in the topic for whatever reason. Its not only honest interest, its also curiosity or just boredom. Also our society is on a spectrum of intelligence and education, there are not-educated people honestly caring about children as well as there are well educated trolls.
People are emotionally invested, I just mediated some cases of this yesterday, and people feel paranoid of other people being just here to deceive and disrupt. The chans have this issue for years now, as they are on of the last open boards on the internet that are basically unmoderated free speech. The accumulation of nonsense AND extremist opinion is palpable, but you will never know how much of that is just distraction by companies like Correct the Record. [And there are Intelligence services, whose whole reason of existance is us]https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/)
I agree, having secretive communication aswell is important, but dont abort the open channels because of the climate. It is the easiest method of the powers that be to make us uncomfortable here, it is the virtual version of agents provocateurs
micha_ ago
As a truthseeker I am wondering why you are that light skinned. Stick to the facts and tell us about it. Forget the shills AND idiots.
28leinad82 ago
that poster today summed it up "we want this to be fake news too". Basically, yes we are all on the same side here and it shouldn't be that hard to make construction criticism in a mature way. I do think though, that there have been a tremendous amount of terrible posts over the last 48 hours, so it's difficult being helpful and supportive when people simply are not up to date or providing anything useful.
LostandFound ago
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. - Mahatma Gandhi
amCassandraAMA ago
you are here now___________________________________^
LostandFound ago
Bingo
YingYangMom ago
I love this quote.
smokratez ago
People get paid to shit on pizzagate. It's not personal. It's business to them.
FormerBaltimoreRes ago
Bingo. If you've spent anytime on /pol you'll be used to these tactics. The idea is to make the conversation toxic, to discourage you from contributing. Yesterday I noticed one of my posts was replied to by a 38 minute old account telling me I shouldn't post here. They couldn't be more transparent.
If anyone is disrespectful to you they are a shill 100% of the time. No exceptions. If you don't realize that there are thousands of people who are PAID to post on message board then it might surprise you when you encounter them. The shills are intelligent and know how to lead conversation away by muddying the waters, by concern trolling, by posting false leads. The problem for them is that the truth is so straight forward that if you focus on just the facts they can't distract you.
If you want to investigate pedophiles that are politically connected you better believe there will be blowback. Sorry you have to deal with negativity but those are the breaks.
TheCoonlol ago
"I have been an activist for over 15 years, and i have been researching wikileaks since before they were cool." You must know better than all of us what it is like to be ridiculed for having a different opinion on something.. so why does this bother you now? Surely you can see more than ever the weight this PizzaGate movement is gaining? The trolls are such a minority. I'm confused..
I hope you stick with us and help get to the bottom of this mess!
Sentastixc ago
I'm new here, and I don't know Voat, but maybe this is not the right platform?
Can't you make a research community where members that wrote a convincing application they are no shill/troll are able to post?
GoofyGrape ago
Can you provide an example of what you're referring to?
Tracybeanz ago
Yes- there are several. Here is one: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1467451
And then I had a post where I show the traffic camera down in realtime. It was flagged as "debunked". I can't post things in real time and have people come out saying it is debunked. I literally show the camera down in real time. I show it has been removed from the official websites in real time. Anyone who watched the video can see that as I was showing it, in real time, it had been removed. My post was flagged as "debunked" and that discredits me completely. Which sucks, because it was, in fact, true and did happen, and I have a lot of other research and a small but growing sub base who come to me for information... So, between this, the example above, and several other things I have seen, I don't feel comfortable posting here and expecting people to even watch or research what others are saying.
Yates ago
That's them panicking at your info and trying to smear you. It's means you're on to something, as you obviously were. But I get you OP, this is not a chan and the one-liner posters that do nothing but shit on very important info should be banned. I don't know why the mods here let them run wild, they should know enough to recognize that kind of tactic and ban them for being paid shills. Instead they let them run wild as if it were a chan but the posters here do not have the experience to discern what's going on and so become demoralized. That's their goal, OP, to make you feel like not posting here any longer. Don't let them win, don't even respond to them, they love getting responses. If you act like they're not even there it frustrates them. They live for that inbox to light up red, don't feed them at all.
C1REX ago
Most people agree with you. The site seems to be compromised to some extend but there are legions of people who are with you. Somebody just tries to make you feel bad. Don't give up :)
Tracybeanz ago
Thank you for saying that. .
YingYangMom ago
I agree!
JoeJoe ago
Don't get disheartened. There are good people here too, who appreciate your input and who are reading and researching and not taking notice of the bulls*$t.
Tracybeanz ago
lmao.. thanks dawg