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Crensch ago

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Temporary mentions: Hawaii leads. FOIA/Rubio

0fsgivin ago

Planned parenthood was not caught by okeefe. They called the police immediately after he left.

Its why people didnt believe his DNC videos.

The ACORN vids were total horseshit.

Oh confused the PP and ACORN vids. PP was not "caught" because the only thing Okeef proved was yes fetal tissues do indeed get sold. Planned parenthood was not making a "profit" The tissue sales certainly were not even covering the costs of said abortions. But they did show the public that aborted tissues are indeed still used. Something not many people were happy about.

Then ya got ACORN was his video that I saw him dressed as a pimp talking about child prostition and running for congress. Absolute and total bullshit...They called the cops immediately after he left. Okeef was 100% full of shit in that video.

They found ACORN employees scamming taxpayers though. By faking registrations and taking the commission off of them.

nhwebgurl ago

Of course they caught PP. So what if PP called the police after he left... he had enough of their own words to show exactly what they were doing. He caught a lot of voter fraud in NH too, foreign political parties helping candidates, etc. ACORN was convicted, remember.

0fsgivin ago

Well that's a fair point. They were never caught helping people scam benefits or certainly never aided in child trafficking.

However, your right I did not mention they indeed were up to some voter fraud. And I believe also helping foreign interests funnel money to canidates?

Oh actually, the foreign national bit was never proven. Really what they busted ACORN for was several employees wrote in fake registrations. The purpose for the fake registrations is because employees were paid based on how many registrations they made.

That is a good counterpoint. All in all though a program that helps poor people know what benefits they qualify for should exist.

ZarkovskyTheHunter ago

What? I believe those vids are real. Can you provide link to prove his stuff was fake?

0fsgivin ago

It's not that the vids were fake..It's the people were playing along because what are you gunna do when an obvious pimp people known to be dangerous comes into your office? Fucking placate them and call the police as soon as possible.

He actually had to pay out a settlement for his bullshit on that one. http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/03/08/james-okeefe-pays-100000-to-acorn-employee-he-smeared-conservative-media-yawns/#6e074a7b3a78

Him exposing the DNC well so far that all seems legit. And enough time has passed that yah. Those fucks were corrupt at hell. Not a suprise.

His ACORN bullshit though? completely fucked up. He actually got a very good program shut down that helped people to navigate the complicated system of how to get the help they need.

thelastaelor ago

I have a problem with

Interesting that as this is becoming more mainstream and blowing up, pedophilia is being pushed as normal as by the psychological association.

Following the link provided brings you to a bullshit fake news site. That site provides this link as a source. If you read that article, it reads:

It’s fair to say the Tromovitch view does not represent majority academic opinion. It’s likely, too, that some of the academic protests against the “stigmatisation” of paedophiles are as much a backlash against the harshness of sex offender laws as anything else. Finally, of course, academic inquiry is supposed to question conventional wisdom and to deal rigorously with the evidence, whether or not the conclusions it leads you to are popular. Even so, there really is now no shortage of evidence about the harm done by child abuse. In the latest frenzy about the crimes of the past, it’s worth watching whether we could, in the future, go back to the intellectual climate which allowed them.

voatcaesarpizza ago

Following the link provided brings you to a bullshit fake news site.

Only shills use the term "fake news" around here. Get the fuck off this subvoat.

thelastaelor ago

fake news is absolutely real. If you think half of these newsites aren't making exaggerated claims or spewing outright sensationalist lies by twisting their 'sources' (which it looks like people like you aren't checking after all), if they even have any, in order to make a large profit from going viral, think again. Or think at all. For example the website linked, as well as CNN, you cuck. Learn to evaluate a source, or is critical thinking too much to ask? Oh wait I forgot, you wanna turn voat into your own safe space.

voatcaesarpizza ago

It's like you're made of logical fallacies.

thelastaelor ago

you wanna name one? I've got one for ya: How about because fake news is being used to discredit a credible investigation, you assume fake news is a total fabrication with zero merit? I think that one's even on the 8chan img.

voatcaesarpizza ago

Double reply, because I owe you a real response instead of just going on the defensive.

Encouraging the fake news narrative is something this subvoat has been hit with in the past few days by very clear infiltrators. Calling something a "fake news site" furthers that narrative. Instead, I think we really ought to stay away from a term that is largely being to undermine us. I don't see why you have to call it a "fake news site" when you can just call it "not a credible source". Labeling things as "fake news" is a dangerous thing to do because of the context it carries.

That said, I don't want to create an echo chamber. I want critical thinking. I think too many of us get swept up in insignificant details and don't want to acknowledge when something is truly innocuous.

And thus I engaged in the same behavior by calling you a shill. I was following the crowd and was too aggressive toward you in my reaction. I apologize for that.

Unless you really are a shill. In which case fuck right off.

thelastaelor ago

You're right, I could have just called it a uncredible source. On the other hand, it was an opportunity to make the point that just because fake news is being used to discredit us, does not mean fake news is not real and dangerous to this investigation, which judging by many of the posts I've seen, especially lately, especially the ones which make it to the front page, is an an important point to make. Either way, nothing much came out of it, it got about 5 points in total, so mbleh.

voatcaesarpizza ago

Tu quoque, with a sprinkle of strawman about that "safe spaces" bullshit

fast edit: removed the second part because I misread you

thelastaelor ago

Yeah a little bit, but eh, I don't know. I see a lot in common with some of the alt-right/neo-nazi/whatever-they-are-I-don't-know and SJWs -- more than I think either group realizes.

voatcaesarpizza ago

This really needs to be investigated with a centrist eye. Go too far in either direction and you fall off the deep end, which I'd say a lot of people here have already done. Sometimes we see these theories that are super sketchy, then people respond saying "I knew it!! Hang them all!!" or "They can't get away with this forever!!", just taking everything at face value.