This Enoch book is a fake out. Where and when is was found is as questionable as whats in it.
Its just a way to take people from the one source that tells it all and that it the King James Bible. Fallen Angels is in the King James Bible if you read it. Its all there.
The book of Jude tells us that the fallen angels that sinned. Enoch refers to these as the watchers. These heavenly creatures were meant to help humans but got way off track; appears they were a human and angelic hybrid. They left their first estate or task to lust after, marry and cohabit with human females, thus corrupting the human genome, their violence and demands put humanity at risk. Aka Nephlim; Jude claims these are now in chains reserved unto darkness. God had to undo that corruption, hence the flood. Noah was perfect in his generations; a good genome, so was the progenitor of the second human epoch on earth. 2 Peter also references the same angels as in chains.
So the cabal worship Satan and his angels, being of Cain in type. The demons are the devils angels, not Jude’s watcher fallen angels per se.
Jude 6–7 (AV): And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
2 Peter 2:4–6 (KJV 1900): For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
ye think god assembled the bible texts? how about the vatican and the counsil of nicea viewed all gospels and dismissed 90% of them from what was to become the bible because they werent supportive to their ba'al-basedagenda?
I believe in pre adamic days. The true garden of eden in Hypoborea. I always had a problem with sacrifice in the OT. Took me down a rabbit hole of shock and awe that quite possibly the Bible holds truths but also lies.
Understanding, we as humans have been genetically modified. 97 percent of our DNA is junk, but we still have the truth of our creation and history embedded in our genetic code. We are truly divine and Gods children. Why do monarch butterfly’s know the exact path to travel south? They die before reaching but their offspring carry on? Because it is in their genetic code. Their memory. We have to open our pineal glands and come together as a collective. This is what is meant I believe by the great awakening. The truth will not be denied.
It amazes me how many people have the allegory of the fallen angels so wrong. It’s not about aliens. Smh. Here it goes:
There is only ONE GOD. There is no beginning and no end. Everything seen and not seen is God’s creation. In the realm of the 7 suns where heaven of all heaven exists, part of God decides to separate itself from the source. Why? To know itself. In doing so, the vibrating frequencies of these slows down and therefore creating what we deem “physical reality”. Physical reality is the “home” of the “fallen”. Meaning that for which separates from the source, GOD. Everything we deem physical reality is slightly denser and of lower vibration hence why we have more evil here than in higher planes. The gist of it all is that GOD is awaiting for those “fallen” to join it again in its glory on the realm of the 7 suns because love is unconditional. God loves all it has created unconditionally. There are processes in place by the “engineers” of this plane to have the over-souls get back to divinity. It’s the system of karmaic cycles. Basically we incarnate over and over again learning and growing until our vibrating essences match that of the source. This takes billions of times to do. In the eye of GOD, this is short. End.
And that’s why you don’t get it. Read the Aramaic version of the Lord’s Prayer. Then read Nikola Tesla’s discoveries and his theory on reality. Smh. READ. Your mind is a terrible thing to waste.
open your mind....we are all vibrational sources of energy, which is why you naturally feel when you're "on the same wavelength" as others (or not) around you.
I disagree yes it not in the Holy Bible but it'a available.
Those that would not read the Bible would read Book of Enoch, then the Holy Spirit can push them towards the Holy Bible and gain the knowledge of eternal life.
Yessir, you gotta read 2 books by Michael Heiser: “Reversing Hermon” and “Unseen Realm”. Both books heavily reference pseudepigrapha/ apocrypha and Septuagint works.
Interesting fact: ancient Israelites referred to sons of God or lower members in Gods counsel as Elyon. Not a big leap to change the spelling of Elyon to Alien.
PLENTY is wrong with that statement. You should try READING it before condemning it out of shear LAZINESS. That argument will NOT wash, and is handed out by pop culture to dissuade stupid people (EZPZ targets).
[The Cepher can be fairly described as non-scholarly based on information from its own publishers. This work was not produced by qualified scholars or through an actual process of translation. First, the authors added books that they deemed “missing” from the orthodox Bible, contradicting the opinions of most biblical scholars. Then the words of the text were “transliterated” and cross-referenced with a concordance.The end product is whatever the editor thought the text should say. This type of bias is essentially what publishers of the Cepher accuse other versions of, though the Cepher’s authors have less academic background than those they claim are getting it wrong.
Despite not directly calling the Cepher a “Bible,” the authors have included a significant amount of material, sometimes interspersed with the biblical text, that Bible scholars have long rejected as non-canonical. Reading the Cepher, one encounters a mix of inspired and non-inspired material.
Though the Cepher is a relatively new publication, it seems to have strong connections to the Hebrew Roots movement. This, in and of itself, is a cause for concerrn(https://www.gotquestions.org/Cepher-Bible.html)
This process of correcting and the willingness to undertake this task unleashed the direction of the RUACH HA’QODESHin our lives, which has provided an enduring motivation for the tens of thousands of hours we have employed to continue this mission.
Enoch is mentioned in the bible in the following books: Hebrews 11:5, Genesis 5:21-5:24, Jude 1:14, 2Peter 2:4.
If the Book of Enoch is so "not God's word"..then why is Enoch and his writings mentioned in the Bible?
I read the book of Enoch thoroughly 7 years ago...it will scare the HELL out of any believer. It talks about how the world will end, and gives a timeline based in 1,000 year increments. THAT is the reason Enoch was pulled...because it shows a countdown, and talks about how all Evil doers will be dealt with Harshly and without mercy. If a person is not a believer, after reading the book of Enoch, they sure will be one.
Nah fuck that, I've been down that road too many times with stupid fucks online. Honestly most people are too dumb to understand so I don't even bother anymore.
you can't post a verse to prove yourself then you shouldn't mention it because around here we don't just take some asshat's word for it that he's a super smarty pants that we should listen to.
can't find something that aint there,faggot. i feel embarrassed for you that i had to dumb down something i already pointed out once so you could grasp it.
Enoch was never removed; it was never a part of the Bible. The Bible was only canonized after Pentecost, when the Catholic Church's Magisterium was established, and therefore men finally had the guidance of the Spirit necessary to define a canon.
Only inerrant books actually inspired by God could be placed within the Bible. Enoch was not determined to be inspired and so was left out. That doesn't mean it is false; it just means it is not inerrant. The Church acknowledges the legitimacy of the book of Enoch and does not try to hide its existence; it even encourages the reading of it. It just teaches that not every word within it should be treated as inerrant; it is history, plain and simple. Worth knowing, but not the Word of God.
There is no contradiction between the two. For one, the epistle of Jude is not canonical either; and secondly, the prophecy can be true and worth quoting without the entire book of Enoch being inerrant and therefore worthy of canon.
the book of Jude is not canonical? pardon me? it's in every bible so yes it is. Why is Jude quoting a heretical book and why are we by default saying it has this one true prophecy while the rest is wrong? That's not a logical path to take.
*And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.* - Jude 14,15
*And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of ⌈His⌉ holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy ⌈all⌉ the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh
Of all the works ⌈of their ungodliness⌉ which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners ⌈have spoken⌉ against Him.* - 1 Enoch 1:9
the book of Jude is not canonical? pardon me? it's in every bible so yes it is.
Sorry, you're right, was thinking of something else.
Why is Jude quoting a heretical book and why are we by default saying it has this one true prophecy while the rest is wrong? That's not a logical path to take.
I never said the Book of Enoch is heretical. I just said it isn't canonical. I admitted that it contains truth, but denied that it is inerrant. That's all.
ok, that's a fair discussion. but i have to ask, why would we logically not take the historical and prophetic book Jude quoted as being equally inspired and brought forth by God as Jude's own writings? There are some VERY compelling prophecies of Jesus' coming in 1 Enoch. They are the first ever written prophecies about Jesus. The enemy has more than just his own deeds in that book to hide..so it's not so surprising if it was, in fact, excluded intentionally.
I don't know. I'm not the Church fathers, I don't have access to the Magisterium. Thinking that a book could be denied canonical status for some political purpose only removes the legitimacy of the rest of the Biblical canon, for either the Magisterium (the Holy Spirit) is qualified to establish canon or it is not. It may have been as simple as a single historically inaccurate line, I can only speculate. It is certainly a book that should be read, but for whatever reason, the Holy Spirit did not want to put it on equal footing with the inspired Word of God.
The Holy Spirit does not force people to do His will. We have to simply assume that the men involved were willing to do His Will. There are some translations of the bible (NIV for example) that uses vastly different words,sometimes leading to vastly different meanings than the KJV. This is one example of some human willfully changing God's message.
The difference is that corrupt translations are not the work of the Holy Spirit, whereas the work of the Magisterium is.
The books of Scripture were inspired by God from the moment they were written. It is through the Magisterium of the Church that God imparts the wisdom as to which of these books are inspired to men. So the Magisterium is the guidance of the Spirit, not the forcing of anyone's will. This guidance is completely absent from corrupt translations so it is not an apt analogy.
God provided no mediator between man and Himself other than Jesus and His Holy Spirit. There are no hallowed group of men who can speak for Him but we all receive the truth when we seek it from His Spirit. The Holy Spirit confirms the same message contained in 1 Enoch that we also see in Genesis, the Gospels, Hebrews and Revelation. That validates it for me.
So what was Pentecost if the Spirit cannot come down especially into certain people more than others? The Magisterium is just the continuation of Pentecost within the Church that Christ founded. And you may decide Enoch is canon, and someone else may disagree. Who is right? Both? Impossible. How do you know which is right, since we are dealing with metaphysical matters that cannot necessarily be proven? Are we supposed to guess? Or did Christ supply us with a Church meant to fulfil this purpose? Obviously He left us a Church, a Church he tasked with "looking after His sheep", and a part of this involves establishing canon and uniformity of belief.
The Bible states clearly that Satan has a bloodline on earth. In the garden, the first thing that happened after the "fruit event" was that YHWH talked to 3, Adam, Eve and Satan. He told Satan that he was cursed above every creature. He then told Eve that in sorrow would she have children. This suggests that the event had to do with sex. Eve had had sex with Satan and then with Adam. Superfecundation is when twins are born to a woman that have different fathers. The Bible never names Cain as a descendant of Adam. The Bible later says when Seth is born that Adam now has a son in his likeness.
How far back would it be possible to trace a bloodline?
There are two Enochs mentions in the Bible. One is good, one is evil.
All secret societies can be traced back to Cain or his son Enoch. What secret...why secret?
Exactly. Why would Jude quote a book that was heretical to be forever included in God's word? The Lord is OK with pointing to a message that was somehow NOT in alignment with the gospel message?
No, but i would not be quoting a heretical book in writing that is impressed upon me by the Holy Spirit to write, either. God would not muddy the truth this way by not only including a quote from a book of disinformation, but then also calling it a prophecy. That would be God lying and He doesn't lie.
By that reasoning every book today, in the library, that's not in the Bible is heretical!
Imagine having a science fiction book. But three chapters in the story stop and you find a whole chapter dedicated to the mechanical upkeep of ancient, fossil fuel based vehicles and them the story picks back up in chapter 4.
Enoch does not fit in with the Bible's narrative of the gospel message. If it was heretical it wouldn't have even been quoted. It is however extrabiblical
it would be heretical if not truly God breathed scripture because it claims to be. Enoch describes visions of the coming of Jesus and the end times. Either its real and true prophecy or it's the work of a false prophet. Jude quoting it means that either he was quoting true scripture in a book that would become part of the Bible...or he was quoting the work of a false prophet and Jude doesn't belong in the bible either.
What makes you think 1Enoch does not fit in with the Bible's gospel narrative? It most certainly does. It's actually the most pointed example of proof of Jesus being the messiah that was promised. Even more so than well known prophecies in Isaiah. I'm not sure at all why you think there is any contradiction. It is entirely within the scope of the bible.
Enoch knew how this would all go down, thousands of years ago.
1 Enoch 6:4-12
But you endure not patiently, nor fulfill the commandments of the Lord; but you transgress and calumniate his greatness; and malignant are the words in your polluted mouths against his Majesty.
Ye withered in heart, no peace shall be to you!
Therefore your days shall you curse, and the years of your lives shall perish; perpetual execration shall be multiplied, and you shall not obtain mercy.
In those days shall you resign your peace with the eternal maledictions of all the righteous, and sinners shall perpetually execrate you;
Shall execrate you with the ungodly.
The elect shall possess light, joy, and peace; and they shall inherit the earth.
But you, ye unholy, shall be accursed.
Then shall wisdom be given to the elect, all of whom shall live, and not again transgress by impiety or pride; but shall humble themselves, possessing prudence, and shall not repeat transgression.
They shall not be condemned the whole period of their lives, nor die in torment and indignation; but the sum of their days shall be completed, and they shall grow old in peace; while the years of their happiness shall be multiplied with joy, and with peace, for ever, the whole duration of their existence.
We can't forget about the Sumerian cuneiform script as well. If you can do a detailed, non biased research on the history of all books in the Bible, as well as what the church confiscated (for the sake of "canon"), the Hindu text(oldest religion in the world) and what the native Americans had to say, the picture is completely different. We are not the only terrestrial beings that
God created. Sitchen was incorrect but there are other beings out there as well as being that operate on a different plane of existence. There's a book called the Christ consciousness. Good read.
6 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
adjective. The definition of fair is someone or something that is light in color, attractive, honest or clear and sunny. An example of fair is blonde hair. An example of fair is a beautiful woman.
i really only ever read the KJV so i hadn't ever thought of noting what the NIV said there. They actually made them into "heroes". Wow..that says a lot about where the editors of the translation are coming from.
Non-literate shamans, deep in the Amazon jungle know about the "Enochian" world. They might describe it with different labels than a Biblical scholar, but the concepts are the same. It is known to them not as dogma, but rather, a realm that they can actually see and visit. Not only can they see it but they have a methodology to actively work in this plane. It's just the way it is.
It's the Spirit realm aka Unmanifest or Dimensions of Love. Getting there is ultimately not that hard. Buy or grow some magic mushrooms, eat them, talk to the Mushroom Dude aka Starman or The Other and do what he says (purify your soul and increase your vibration) and he'll show you.
To grow magic mushrooms? It's like nothing. You buy a grow kit and it practically grows itself. You get a cake in a plastic box which you put inside a bag.First you flush the cake: you fill the box with water and put it in the fridge for 12 hours. After that you drain the box and put it in the bag. You mist the bag every day to keep humidity at 100%. Once the mushroom are mature, you harvest. Then repeat like 5 times. There's absolutely nothing to it, anyone could do it.
Sort of... there are bad guys to deal with. That's what we're talking about here.
But yes, ultimately you fight them with love. Not to be confused with condoning what they do, but rather to make oneself inhospitable to them because you aren't harboring the negative emotions that they demand.
Your missing one thing reaching a state of nutrality its what the human battery desires. If were too one sided we def arent optimal. Now i know your about to flip your lid, so im prepared. Shoot away.
Get a copy of the Ethiopian bible, my favorite is the Cepher. Problem solved. Enoch explains our world before humans, Jubilees explains life in the Garden of Eden, and Jasher explains who we are, and will give you an entire grasp of what is happening right now because it has happened before.
Just as the Israelites were enslaved by the Egyptians without even knowing they were enslaved to the Satan worshipping rulers of that time, so are we today. Even as we celebrate those same Satanic holidays that many of us “swear” are all about tue birth and crucifixion of Jesus. Learn all of that, and you’ll know the plan...a mass exodus is already happening from the church.its all a lie. All of these controlled institutions, INCLUDING the church are full of false doctrine and teachings. Read it for yourself and have complete understanding.
You know Christmas was the worship of the god saturn and the winter solstice.l way before Jesus ever came along. Same with Easter. The Germans celebrated chickens and rabbits as the renew / rebirth of the coming year.
true, but those were days (like all others) that God made. They stole them. We can have them back and do whatever we want with them. All their bases are belong to us. There is no bad day to remember the Lord.
Enoch is not an explanation of the world before humans, though, its specifically centered around fallen angels coming here and interacting with humans.
I've never read it extensively enough to remember anything from it. Does it mention the fallen angels giving knowledge to humans (engineering, sciences, technology, etc)?
Isn't the world order also ruled by a council of 9 fallen angels or something? Again, my memory fails me, but I seem to remember bits and pieces.
Yes, it goes into detail of which fallen entity imparted which technologies/teachings.There is a council of 9 but there were a good deal more fallen Watchers. 200 in all with a leader named Shemyaza who is perhaps identifiable with Lucifer.
Yes, all of that. It mentions they give secret knowledge to women, show men how to extract metals from the earth and how to war. The sons of the angels (giants/nephilim/titans) began devouring all the things of the earth, and when those ran out they started devouring men themselves.
Men sent Enoch to beg God for justice. God told Enoch to tell the Watchers (fallen angels) that their sons will all be destroyed, he told Enoch the Watchers will petition God for mercy and he will deny them.
Enoch is transported to a palace that is described as icy/snowy (Antarctica?).
He also takes a tour through all the "mechanisms" of the solar system and describes them in ways we didn't even know until "science" told us so. The motions of the sun and moon and stars. That planets revolve on an axis, that thunder is a result of lightning and the speed of sound. It's incredible. I started reading it all literally. That the earth is all some kind of giant mechanical apparatus.
Just read it, it's not all that long, it will blow you away.
RH negatives are the blood types of human prior to hybriding with monkey line. That's why it's called RH Negative, it's missing the RH Rhesus monkey dna markers.
the monkey thing gets repeated a lot because people believe the rh factor exists in monkeys and humans. it was actually tested on rabbits, i have a different take on the RHd negative origin - the nephilim were RHd negative and the 15% of us who also are in fact their descendants.
people get triggered about the idea quite a lot. thinking of being a blood relation of some of the world's worst tyrants feels bad,man. it logically fits with a lot of other facts, though. IMHO the only blood that matters at the end of the day is the blood of Jesus.
Nobody removed the book of Enoch from the bible. It is not included in the Bible we have today, but there's a good reason for that. It was completely unknown prior to the KJV Bible and all of the pre-KJV translations and collections of scripture, so there could be no way for it to have been included in the Bible we have today. The book of Enoch was first discovered in Africa (Ethiopia) in the mid 1700's. So your title is unfounded and a lie on its face.
Just because it's claimed to have been lost in all but Ethiopia doesn't mean it was unknown elsewhere previously.
Mathew 22:23-32
23 That same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. 24 “Teacher,” they said, “Moses told us that if a man dies without having children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up offspring for him. 25 Now there were seven brothers among us. The first one married and died, and since he had no children, he left his wife to his brother. 26 The same thing happened to the second and third brother, right on down to the seventh. 27 Finally, the woman died. 28 Now then, at the resurrection, whose wife will she be of the seven, since all of them were married to her?”
29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 31 But about the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you, 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’[b]? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”
Where is this scripture Jesus referred to here?
Jude 1:14
Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones
Where is this prophesy, other than this reference to it in Jude?
Jesus is the Way, the TRUTH and the Life. If you're not seeking Truth, you're not seeking HIM, the ONLY Way to everlasting Life.
You are missing the point entirely. I am not discounting the fact there are over 100 passages that reference Enoch throughout the bible. I have read the book of Enoch and I do however disagree with the notion it was not included for nefarious reasons because of what it contains. Nobody took it out when it never was in. There are lots of writings that were known that never made it in the bible. Some were quoted by Paul and some of the other writers of the New Testament. Some from reading and others that were preserved in passing the message down verbally.
There was also a group of writings from Christians. These were writers of the second and third generations, people who did not know Jesus or Paul personally but whose writings made a difference in the life of the church. Here’s how that happened. Fairly early, church leaders began to recognize differences in the books. Some books, such as the Gospels and Paul’s letters, were to be read in church as part of the worship service. Others were good books but were reserved for private reading at home, much as we read books of theology or devotional material today. Most of the writings fell into this second category. Much as we might enjoy reading Clement or Barnabas, for example, they are not a part of the canon.
Which get to the bible in its entirety. Princes, philosophers, prelates, politicians and poets have all conspired against it. It has been insulted by the scorn of fools. It has become the jest of infidels and the joke of sceptics. It has been assailed consistently and persistently by professed scholars and has been made the butt of the critic. Assaulted by every known plan of hell, it has come forth unscathed from the inferno. Like the three Hebrew children it has been in the fire and like them it has been wonderfully preserved and there is not a smell of burning upon it.
The cunning of hell and the craft of earth have combined against the Bible but it stands unmoved, for it is as the impregnable rock of Holy Scripture. The Bible consists of sixty-six books written by some forty different authors over a period of a millennium-and-a-half (1,500 years). The first writer, Moses, died about 1450 years before the last writer, John, was born. Yet none of these writers ever denounced, criticized or condemned any inspired teaching in the books of the others. Their historical position was diverse, but their spiritual position was one and the same. Such a diversity creating such a unanimity must of necessity strike the candid reader of Holy Scripture with profound wonder, and surely underlines the unimpeachable conclusion that One Divine Mind was behind this One Book.
Had God wanted Enoch included it would have been included. Simple as that.
In your glee, to try to point out a contradiction you failed to read other passages that are relevant to this story. It parallels the story of Job 1. God allowed Job to be tempted by Satan. You can also read James 1:13 which says, “When tempted, no one should say, God is tempting me.? For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed?” So, on the one hand, the Bible says that God does not tempt anyone, yet on the other hand, from Job 1 we know that God will allow Satan to tempt us, and James 1 adds that even when we are tempted by Satan, it is ultimately our own evil desires which must combine with Satan?s work of tempting in order to bring about evil behavior. I believe that taking these passages together yields a balanced theology of temptation and sin. Actually, this is just a further working out of Genesis chapter three and the fall of mankind. In Genesis three, God allowed the temptation to be in place, Satan did the tempting, but it was the ultimate responsibility of Adam and Eve for their giving in to temptation.
Now, let me get to the issue of whether God incited or Satan incited David. I will have to concede that at first blush this appears to be a blatant contradiction. Nevertheless, there is a unity in these passages, in view of what I already stated above. 1 Chronicles 21:1 says that Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel. 2 Samuel 24:1 says that, “the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, Go and take a census of Israel and Judah.?” Here is how I see these passages working together.
I believe that God allows us to be tested by evil so that our hearts may be revealed and so that we may come to humility and repentance and turn toward him. God allows Satan to tempt us toward evil, but it is ultimately our own evil, working with the temptation, which leads toward evil. This is exactly what happened with David. His heart had become hardened and prideful. In order to reveal his sinful heart, God allowed Satan to incite David to do the evil which was more or less already in his heart. So, who incited? Satan incited David, but it is not inaccurate to say that God, in a sense incited David.
David freely chose to give into this temptation, and that God allowed it all to come about because he was sovereign over the entire situation. The difference in the two passages, though, brings out a different emphasis in both. While in the Chronicles passage the idea is that David had gone so low as to succumb to the temptation of the devil, in the Samuel passage, the main idea is that God did not abandon Israel nor was God’s sovereignty ever in question. Given the themes of both books this makes sense. Chronicles seems heavily “David focused” and Samuel seems heavily focused on the relationship of God to the rulers of Israel.
The net result of God?s allowing and Satan?s inciting David toward sin? Repentance.
The cunning of hell and the craft of earth have combined against the Bible but it stands unmoved, for it is as the impregnable rock of Holy Scripture.
Anon you're worshiping the Bible as an Idol. Jesus is the Rock, He is the Word. The Bible contains some of the Word but not all of it, and some of it is not the Word of God. You think if God wanted it included he would have, what makes you think He wanted all of it in one book? You're locking God in a box that is the Bible. That's the entire point and what you're missing IN the Bible.
Don't take my word for it. PRAY for God to show you the Truth.
"The Bible contains some of the Word but not all of it” Does this mean, I can say that I have new words from God and require you to give me all your money? Does it mean I can declare some inconvenient sins no longer a sin? Is that the reason we have over 33,000 different denominations with each following creed books instead of the bible? Can I practice polygamy, child brides and kill off any dissenter and be free from sin? God forbid!
How do you reconcile that with Jude 3, 2 Peter 1:3 Galatians 1:6-9 2 Timothy 3:16-17 Matthew 15:3-9 Revelation 22:18-19?
Does this mean, I can say that I have new words from God and require you to give me all your money? Does it mean I can declare some inconvenient sins no longer a sin? Is that the reason we have over 33,000 different denominations with each following creed books instead of the bible? Can I practice polygamy, child brides and kill off any dissenter and be free from sin? God forbid!
No It doesn't mean that and that's a ridiculous argument.
Jude 3
Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people.
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Are you confusing Faith with scripture?
2 Peter 1:3
His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.
What about it? You think this means the Bible is all you need?
2 Peter 1:3
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
Gospel is not the same thing as scripture. Gospel is the teaching, not necessarily only from scripture, while scripture is the writings. You can have the scriptures but not understand the gospel. The first four books of the New Testament are also called the Gospels.
What makes you think the gospel (teachings, not 4 books) you've been taught is not the perverted gospel? Beware the yeast of the pharisees.
Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Yes all scripture, it doesn't just say the scripture some men decided to put in the Bible or even a single translation does it? Did I say anything shouldn't be in the Bible or is not useful? It's in there for a reason, but you are in error assuming it's all in there and that everything in there is the Word (Truth).
Matthew 15:3-9
“And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’[a] and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’[b] 5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ 6 they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’”
How does this go against what I said? You keep confusing the Bible for the Word. The Bible contains some of the Word, not all of it. This supports what I said.
Revelation 22:18-19
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
This is about the scroll of Revelation, not the entire Bible. This is a great example of the perversion of what you've been taught. It's stated plainly but you don't see it.
You keep confusing the Bible for the Word. If the bible is not the word of God where is it? Do you have it hidden in your basement? Is it in the bottom of the ocean or the middle of the forest? Not silly questions at all. The Bible is the Word of God! The ever present assumption of the writers of the Bible is that the Bible is the God-breathed Word of God. A good illustration is seen in Psalm 19:7-11 which not only declares the Bible to be the Word of God, but identifies six perfections with corresponding transformations of human character that the Bible will produce in those who study and apply it in faith.
It is apparent that many of the writers did not know of the other writers of Scripture and were unfamiliar with the other writings, inasmuch as the writers wrote over a period of more than fifteen hundred years, yet the Bible is a marvelous, unified whole. There are no contradictions or inconsistencies within its pages. The Holy Spirit is the unifier of the sixty-six books, determining its harmonious consistency. In unity these books teach the triunity of God, the deity of Jesus Christ, the personality of the Holy Spirit, the fall and depravity of man, as well as salvation by grace. It quickly becomes apparent that no human being(s) could have orchestrated the harmony of the teachings of the Scripture. The divine authorship of the Bible is the only answer.
Speaking of the Bible as “a phenomenon which is explainable in but one way—it is the word of God,” Accordingly, the Bible may be regarded as completing the intended divine revelation of God partially revealed in nature, more fully revealed in Christ, and completely revealed in the written Word.
That is your mistake for believing that the bible does not contain the words from God that He wants you to know. Every single word in the bible is God's Word. The Bible contains all of the words we have from God. If it resides someplace else where is it. Is God going to hold you acciuntable Where is it then? Is the word in the forest or in the ocean? Does someone have the word hidden in the basement? If the bible is not the word of God where can it be found?
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.In hundreds of passages, the Bible declares or takes the position explicitly or implicitly that it is nothing less than the very Word of God. Some thirty-eight hundred times the Bible declares, “God said,” or “Thus says the Lord” (e.g. Ex. 14:1; 20:1; Lev. 4:1; Num. 4:1; Deut. 4:2; 32:48; Isa. 1:10, 24; Jer. 1:11; Ezek. 1:3; etc.). Paul also recognized that the things he was writing were the Lord’s commandments (1 Cor. 14:37), and they were acknowledged as such by the believers (1 Thess. 2:13). Peter proclaimed the certainty of the Scriptures and the necessity of heeding the unalterable and certain Word of God (2 Pet. 1:16-21). John too recognized that his teaching was from God; to reject his teaching was to reject God (1 John 4:6).17
Jesus is the Word anon! Why do you refuse to believe what the Bible tells you?
Are the lies in the old Testament (not all of of the OT, I'm not saying that) Gods Word? Do you charge God with lying? Yes I believe He wants it in there because while some of the words themselves don't tell the Truth, they lead you to the Truth, His real WORD.
Pray to God to show you the Truth, if it's His will, even if you're wrong. Have faith in HIM.
The first chapter of John's Gospel refers to Jesus as the Word. In verse 1 we read, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." In verse 14 we find, "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth." What is the meaning of these references to Jesus as the Word?
In Greek culture and philosophy, the "Word" or Logos (the Greek word translated "word") referred to the bridge between the transcendent and material universe. John used this concept of logos or "word" as a divine reference to introduce Jesus as divine.
If God verified Jesus' message by raising Him from the dead, then perhaps the chief issue concerns whether Jesus taught the inspiration of Scripture. And certainly the Gospels agree on a variety of fronts that Jesus had total confidence in the text of the Old Testament. Assuming the reliability of the texts, as we just mentioned, we are told that Jesus made many statements regarding the trustworthiness and even the inspiration of Scripture. An inductive examination of Jesus' teachings provides a clear indication of this. One of Jesus' strongest statements concerning the Old Testament Law was His affirmation that heaven and earth would pass away before even the smallest portion of a letter (Matt. 5:17-18). Jesus also taught that these fractions of letters would never fail (Luke 16:17). Further, after citing a particular text in Psalm 82:6, Jesus stated that Scripture could not be nullified (John 10:35). These comments are striking reminders regarding the extent to which Jesus thought Scripture spoke the truth.
Third, as the New Testament writers penned their words, they recognized that they were inspired. They claimed Jesus' twofold promise. The apostles' teachings were based on the foundation that Jesus provided (Eph. 2:20; 2 Pet. 3:2; Heb. 2:3-4). They believed their words were inspired (1 Peter l:12b). This is especially evident in Paul's epistles.10 They were convinced that the Holy Spirit empowered both their teaching and their writing.
If the Bible is truly God’s Word, then we should cherish it, study it, obey it, and fully trust it. If the Bible is the Word of God, then to dismiss it is to dismiss God Himself. The fact that God gave us the Bible is an evidence and illustration of His love for us. The term “revelation” simply means that God communicated to mankind what He is like and how we can have a right relationship with Him. These are things that we could not have known had God not divinely revealed them to us in the Bible. Although God’s revelation of Himself in the Bible was given progressively over approximately 1500 years, it has always contained everything man needs to know about God in order to have a right relationship with Him. If the Bible is truly the Word of God, then it is the final authority for all matters of faith, religious practice, and morals.
There are both internal and external evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word. The internal evidences are those things within the Bible that testify of its divine origin. One of the first internal evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word is seen in its unity. Even though it is really sixty-six individual books, written on three continents, in three different languages, over a period of approximately 1500 years, by more than 40 authors who came from many walks of life, the Bible remains one unified book from beginning to end without contradiction.
Another of the internal evidences that indicates the Bible is truly God’s Word is the prophecies contained within its pages. The Bible contains hundreds of detailed prophecies relating to the future of individual nations including Israel, certain cities, and mankind. Other prophecies concern the coming of One who would be the Messiah, the Savior of all who would believe in Him. Unlike the prophecies found in other religious books or those by men such as Nostradamus, biblical prophecies are extremely detailed. There are over three hundred prophecies concerning Jesus Christ in the Old Testament. Not only was it foretold where He would be born and His lineage, but also how He would die and that He would rise again. There simply is no logical way to explain the fulfilled prophecies in the Bible other than by divine origin. There is no other religious book with the extent or type of predictive prophecy that the Bible contains.
A third internal evidence of the divine origin of the Bible is its unique authority and power. While this evidence is more subjective than the first two, it is no less a powerful testimony of the divine origin of the Bible. The Bible’s authority is unlike any other book ever written. This authority and power are best seen in the way countless lives have been transformed by the supernatural power of God’s Word. Drug addicts have been cured by it, sexually impure are set free by it, derelicts and deadbeats transformed by it, hardened criminals reformed by it, sinners rebuked by it, and hate turned to love by it. The Bible does possess a dynamic and transforming power that is only possible because it is truly God’s Word.
In Greek culture and philosophy, the "Word" or Logos (the Greek word translated "word") referred to the bridge between the transcendent and material universe. John used this concept of logos or "word" as a divine reference to introduce Jesus as divine.
Seems like you're assuming John meant something other than what he said.
And certainly the Gospels agree on a variety of fronts that Jesus had total confidence in the text of the Old Testament
He had confidence in His understanding of the Truth. He corrected things written in the old testament. He is the Living Word, not the scriptures.
The Bible is very valid and it contains a ton of truth and prophecy, but not every single thing in the old testament is true. You're refusing to see the Truth of Jesus because you believe what's written in the Bible is not 100% true.
Think about it for a moment: The Creator of all that exists reveals himself to a small group of former Egyptian slaves in a remote corner of the globe. Not to kings and emperors, or to scholars in leading universities, but to shepherds, fishermen, tax collectors, refugees. Then to those far off like us God preserved His Word for all of us to read. Paul was convinced that “all Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16). He meant the Old Testament, which was the Bible of his day.
Peter, the leader of early Christianity, considered Paul’s writings to be Scripture as well: “[Paul] writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do to the other Scriptures, to their own destruction” (2 Peter 3:16, my emphasis).
Jesus believed his words to be divinely inspired: “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Luke 21:33).
Speaking of the totality of biblical revelation, the writer to the Hebrews claims, “The word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart” (Hebrews 4:12).
Someone said, “God said, I believe it, and that settles it.” His friend replied, “No, God said it and that settles it, whether I believe it or not.”
Now, let’s turn to objective evidence that the Bible is right in its self-description as God’s inspired, authoritative word. We begin with the manuscript evidence. No original manuscript of any ancient book exists today. The materials used in that era could not stand the effects of elements and time. For instance, we have only nine or ten good copies of Caesar’s Gallic Wars, none made earlier than nine hundred years after Caesar. Tacitus, the greatest ancient Roman historian, wrote fourteen books of his Histories; we possess only 4½, none made earlier than the tenth century AD. We can find only five manuscripts of any work of Aristotle, none copied earlier than fourteen centuries after Aristotle wrote the originals.
By contrast, we possess five thousand ancient Greek manuscripts of the New Testament and ten thousand copies in other ancient languages. Fragments and parts of these copies date back as early as thirty years after the originals were written. Complete versions of the Gospels, Acts, Paul’s letters, and Hebrews date to the early part of the third century. Revelation dates to the latter half of that century. Complete volumes date to the fourth century. Extensive quotations of Scripture in the letters of early Christians date to AD 100.
“Textual critics” are scholars who devote their attention to comparing ancient manuscripts and trying to produce a copy as close to the original as possible. Those who work with biblical texts believe that the Old and New Testaments we possess today are virtually identical to the originals. The only questions that remain affect matters of spelling, punctuation, and isolated verses. None relates to essential doctrines or practices of the faith.
Archaeological finds continue to give us confidence that the biblical writers accurately recorded history. For instance, the Pool of Bethesda (John 5:2) was once dismissed as non-historical. Now, tour guides in Jerusalem point groups to its location in the northeast quarter of the Old City. I’ve seen the ruins myself. We have a stone inscription documenting the life and office of Pontius Pilate; the ossuary (coffin) of Caiaphas, the High Priest of the crucifixion; an inscription found at Delphi that describes the work of Gallio, proconsul at Corinth (Acts 18:12-17); and scores of other artifacts that document the accuracy of biblical history and description.
What makes the Bible different from other holy books? In a word, Jesus. He taught that no one comes to the Father except through him (John 14:6). The Bible was written to help us believe in him and find life in his love (John 20:31). The sacred writings of the various world religions each tell a different story about the divine, the afterlife, and the purpose of life today. Different roads lead to different destinations. The road you choose determines where your trip will end.
Think about it for a moment: The Creator of all that exists reveals himself to a small group of former Egyptian slaves in a remote corner of the globe. Not to kings and emperors, or to scholars in leading universities, but to shepherds, fishermen, tax collectors, refugees.
No, and you think to about it for a lot longer than a moment. PRAY.
It's generally agreed Moses wrote the first 5 books right?
Ok, according to those books of the Bible which people keep claiming is infallible, Moses went up on a mountain for 40 days and 40 nights with God. (Side note- How long was Jesus tempted by Satan?).
According to the Bible, when Moses was on the mountain the first time, the Israelite's made a golden calf idol. God told Moses to leave so he could destroy the guilty people. Moses told God not to destroy them but to forgive them. God relented. Then Moses came down the mountain, got mad, broke the ten commandment tablets God had made and killed a bunch of people except his brother that actually made the golden calf. He passed judgement that God did not pass but said God said to do it. He spoke for God but lied. He killed people but spared the guilty person, his brother. All according to his own writings in the Bible.
According to the Bible, Moses asked to see Gods face, but God told him no human can see my face and live. Later he wrote he knew God face to face.
After breaking the tablets and killing people he goes back up the mountain for another 40 days and 40 nights, tells God to forgive the people but if He wont then blot his name out of His book. (you know the book of life). God says he will punish who sinned against him when the proper time comes. Uh oh.
Moses came down again and introduced a ransom all the Israelite's have to pay for their lives.
When the Israelite's are grumbling because there's no water, God tells Moses to strike the rock to get water and he does it. When it happens again, God tells Moses not to strike the rock this time, but to talk to the rock instead. Moses strikes the rock again instead and 12 springs of water spring forth.
According to the Bible, who is the Rock that gives Living water? He was struck and 12 springs came forth. Jesus.
God gets mad at Moses for striking the rock, saying because Moses didn't uphold Him as holy he is not allowed to enter the promised land.
Later Moses writes that God banned him because of the Israelite's, he blames them rather than accepting responsibility for his own actions. The story changes and he wrote both.
Moses introduced the LAW (written word) that condemns to death. They considered it 100% law as written, black and white, you couldn't even carry a mat on the sabbath. Moses sinned against God but blamed everyone but himself. He introduced a ransom the Israelite's had to pay for their lives.
Jesus introduced Grace and everlasting Life. He is the Living Word. He came in the flesh and fulfilled the written word that condemns to death so that we may have Life. He was without sin but took our sin upon himself and paid the ransom for us. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. All those who came before Him are robbers and thief's. Jesus is the Good Shepard. The Good Shepard cares for the sheep because they are His. The hired hand doesn't care for the sheep because they are not his sheep. When wolves come the hired hand runs away.
Then to those far off like us God preserved His Word for all of us to read.
Yeah, Jesus. Jesus is the Living Word, He is Truth. He has authority to take up His life again.
Paul was convinced that “all Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16). He meant the Old Testament, which was the Bible of his day.
Yeah all scripture, not only some scripture some people decided to include in a single book with pages of wood they worship as an idol much later after Paul wrote that. The old testament doesn't include scriptures the bible refers to as scriptures. Think about that.
While the writings of Moses may not all be true as written, they're definitely useful to understanding the Truth in the Bible.
Peter, the leader of early Christianity, considered Paul’s writings to be Scripture as well: “[Paul] writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do to the other Scriptures, to their own destruction” (2 Peter 3:16, my emphasis).
I don't deny Paul.
Side note, Who is the Rock in the Bible again? Who did the old Testamant say would build the house for the Lord?
"Your name is Peter, and on THIS rock I build my church. So the Rock said "on THIS rock I build my church."? Interesting huh?
"3 times before the rooster crows you will deny me.
"Remember, to the Lord a day is as a thousand years."
"The first will be last, and the last will be first."
Jesus believed his words to be divinely inspired: “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Luke 21:33).
Jesus is the Living Word of God. He is Truth.
Now, let’s turn to objective evidence that the Bible is right in its self-description as God’s inspired, authoritative word. We begin with the manuscript evidence. No original manuscript of any ancient book exists today. The materials used in that era could not stand the effects of elements and time. For instance, we have only nine or ten good copies of Caesar’s Gallic Wars, none made earlier than nine hundred years after Caesar. Tacitus, the greatest ancient Roman historian, wrote fourteen books of his Histories; we possess only 4½, none made earlier than the tenth century AD. We can find only five manuscripts of any work of Aristotle, none copied earlier than fourteen centuries after Aristotle wrote the originals.
Yes let's turn to evidence. Has the creation story Moses gave been proven by science? If SOME of the old testament is not true, but the new testament is absolutely true, do you not make people stumble by insisting they must believe everything in the old testament along with the new testament?
Jesus is the Way, the TRUTH and the Life. He is the ONLY Way to the Father.
Pray to God to reveal the Truth to you. Don't take my word for it. Pray to Him to show you the Truth and be willing to hear His answer. God Bless.
Who is the Rock in the Bible again? Jesus Christ is the rock! The Catholics would like everyone to believe that Peter is the rock. Much like satan convinced Eve first to eat from the tree he used God's words with a twist. but about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You must not eat of it or touch it, or you will die.’” 4“You will not surely die,” the serpent told her. They too twist this passage for their gain and cause others to fall victim like Adam and Eve.
"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. In any translation it always comes out the same. What rock? What did Peter say when asked? "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." God's entire plan of salvation from the moment Adam and Eve sinned was based on the Messiah, the Son of the living God! That is the rock! 17 times in the OLD and New Testament Jesus Christ was referred to as the rock. 1 Peter 2:6
For this is contained in Scripture: "BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A CHOICE STONE, A PRECIOUS CORNER stone, AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."
Peters confession as to whom Jesus is the rock. Everything about Christianity is based on that truth. "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God."
Various Aramaic fragments found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, as well as Koine Greek and Latin fragments were proof that The Book of Enoch was known by early Jews and Christians. This book was also quoted by some 1st and 2nd century authors as in the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs. Authors of the New Testament were also familiar with some content of the story.[5] A short section of 1 Enoch (1:9) is cited in the New Testament, Epistle of Jude, Jude 1:14–15, and is attributed there to "Enoch the Seventh from Adam" (1 En 60:8), although this section of 1 Enoch is a midrash on Deuteronomy 33:2. Several copies of the earlier sections of 1 Enoch were preserved among the Dead Sea Scrolls.[3]
You are missing the point entirely. I am not discounting the fact there are over 100 passages that reference Enoch throughout the bible. I whole heartly disagree with the notion it was not included for nefarious reasons because of what it contains. Nobody took it out when it never was in. There are lots of writings that were known that never made it in the bible. Some were quoted by Paul and some of the other writers of the New Testament. Some from reading and others that were preserved in passing the message down verbally.
There was also a group of writings from Christians. These were writers of the second and third generations, people who did not know Jesus or Paul personally but whose writings made a difference in the life of the church. Here’s how that happened. Fairly early, church leaders began to recognize differences in the books. Some books, such as the Gospels and Paul’s letters, were to be read in church as part of the worship service. Others were good books but were reserved for private reading at home, much as we read books of theology or devotional material today. Most of the writings fell into this second category. Much as we might enjoy reading Clement or Barnabas, for example, they are not a part of the cannon.
Which get to the bible in its entirety. Princes, philosophers, prelates, politicians and poets have all conspired against it. It has been insulted by the scorn of fools. It has become the jest of infidels and the joke of sceptics. It has been assailed consistently and persistently by professed scholars and has been made the butt of the critic. Assaulted by every known plan of hell, it has come forth unscathed from the inferno. Like the three Hebrew children it has been in the fire and like them it has been wonderfully preserved and there is not a smell of burning upon it.
The cunning of hell and the craft of earth have combined against the Bible but it stands unmoved, for it is as the impregnable rock of Holy Scripture. The Bible consists of sixty-six books written by some forty different authors over a period of a millennium-and-a-half (1,500 years). The first writer, Moses, died about 1450 years before the last writer, John, was born. Yet none of these writers ever denounced, criticized or condemned any inspired teaching in the books of the others. Their historical position was diverse, but their spiritual position was one and the same. Such a diversity creating such a unanimity must of necessity strike the candid reader of Holy Scripture with profound wonder, and surely underlines the unimpeachable conclusion that One Divine Mind was behind this One Book.
Had God wanted Enoch included it would have been included. Simple as that.
The book of Jude quotes 1 Enoch word-for-word AND ascribes it to Enoch. It was most certainly known and read before the compilation of the existing cannon.
You are incorrect sir... The book of Enoch was referred to by Jesus. He made several statements, that unless you knew the book of Enoch it would have no meaning. So this tells us, it was part of Gods word in his time. It is ALSO WHY it was found in the Dead Sea scrolls. The vatican had their hand in which texts got into the Canon right??? Ding DING DING!
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Matthew 7:7
"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
So you expect everything to be in one handy book compiled by others for your convenience, rather than having to seek Truth for yourself? Even though that handy Book and the main character in it (Jesus) Himself refers to scripture that's not in that handy Book?
Jesus is the Living Word. Stop treating the Bible as an Idol. Jesus is the Way, the TRUTH and the Life. If you're not seeking Truth, you're not seeking HIM. The ONLY Way to everlasting LIFE.
1:1 Implies restoration during tribulation - not congruent with scriptures.
1:8 In conflict with the doctrine that peace was made at the cross. Also, in the last days tribulation will increase for the righteous - this "verse" seems to dispute that.
2:2-3 Appears to contradict 2 Pet 3:3-7
5:4 Is an admonition to some unknown party - this is very irregular relative to the scriptures (i.e. authentic ancient writings by God-fearing Jews)
6:3 Semjaza seems to be listed as the leader of the angels, which is not scriptural
6:3,8 None of these angels are mentioned in the Bible
8:1 Azazel isn't even listed in 6:8 as one of the angels that fornicated with women
8:3 Araqiel and Shamsiel aren't listed in 6:8 either
10:2 Enoch allegedly wrote about Noah, even though the Bible teaches that Enoch was taken up to heaven years before Noah was born.
10:4-6,12 Implies angels can be bound & hid in holes under rocks. This is contrary to scripture.
10:8 Ascribes all the sin of the fallen angels to one named Azazel - not scriptural.
10:15-11:2 Seems to imply that permanent restoration took place after the flood - clearly not true. It seems the true author of this book confused scriptures pertaining to the future restoration.
13:5-6,14:4-5,7 Implies fallen angels can't talk to God - this contradicts Job. Also implies that angels were repentant, but weren't received back by God - very strange doctrine.
14 Gives a very strange description of Heaven that conflicts with many scriptures
15:8-10 Very strange doctrine about "evil spirits" proceeding from unredeemable giants
17-18,21,23 Gives a very strange description of the earth & universe which is clearly not true. Also alludes to the ancient model of astronomy that held that there were 7 stars (the closest planets) which burned like the sun (they don't.)
19:3 Discredits all other prophecy about the consumation of the ages.
20 Lists strange angels not in scripture, and incorrectly assigns the roles of Michael (the warrior) and Gabriel (the messenger)
21:7-10 Seems to contradict Biblical descriptions of the present & final judgement places for the fallen angels
22 Contradicts the Biblical descriptions of past, present & future dwelling places for the righteous who die
32:2-6 Seems to imply the Garden of Eden was still in existance after the Flood
33:1-2 Says Heaven rests on a foundation that is at the Eastern edge of the earth
33:3 He claims he counted the stars & individually mapped them, which is impossible scripturally (& scientifically)
34 Says the winds come out of a "portal" at the Northern edge of the earth
36:3 Says the stars come out of portals at the Eastern edge of the earth & move West
38:5-6 Contradicts Daniel & other prophecies about the Mellinial Reign
39:1-2 Very strange implications here about the "seed" of angels dwelling with men at the end... this contradicts the scriptures
40:7 Talks about the "Satans" - plural, different than the Bible, who gives that name to only one fallen angel. Also, implies Satan can't stand in God's presence, contrary to Job.
40:9 Once again mixes up the roles of the 2 Archangels & adds more names in. Michael's role in scripture is related to conquoring nations & fighting spiritual wars, while Gabriel's relates to bringing messages & visions to people.
41:1-2 Says the Kingdom of God is divided - it's not & can't be scripturally. Also describes sinners being repelled from a mansion, which is also not scriptural, unless you look at a parable Jesus told, which was not intended to be literal.
41:4-5 Says the sun, moon, winds, etc. are stored in chambers & released at appointed times.
41:6-7 Implies the sun & moon move opposite of each other
43:1-3,44 Very weird model of the nature of stars & lightning
47:4 Says God requires the blood of the saints... very strange
51:1 Says Sheol & Hell will give back to the earth, which isn't scriptural - also Hell is a NT term, not OT
51:2 Disputes the Biblical doctrine that we are chosen. (We don't have to wait until Christ's return to be chosen.) This isn't scriptural.
It doesn't go against the Bible, it goes against your limited understanding of the Bible.
Most Christians don't even understand the Truth of what the Bible says about Moses and Solomon. Based on your response I'm guessing you're one of them. People take evil in the Bible as good because its in the Bible and they don't understand what it's telling them. They treat the Bible as an idol and put their faith in their own limited understanding of the Bible rather than in Jesus. Jesus is the Living Word of God, but many consider the Bible the living word of God, even though it never makes that claim and neither did God. Jesus is the Living Word!
The Bible tells a story that many completely miss because they think they're being evil if they question something or someone in the Bible or more accurately their interpretation of it.
How many people pray God will give them understanding of the Bible, but if the slightest thought comes to their mind in contradiction of something they think they understand of the Bible they dismiss it as as evil?
Ask and you will receive.
Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. If you're not seeking TRUTH, you're not really seeking HIM.
The inconsistencies are very important, same as with the Bible. I never said everything in the book of Enoch is True did I? But it's important.
The same with the Old Testament, but I bet you don't even realize that.
"The mystery of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to those on the outside everything is expressed in parables, so that, ‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven.’”
Humble yourself and pray for God to reveal the Truth in the Bible to you. Just don't reject HIM, the TRUTH because it's not what you thought you had figured out. You know, just like the non believers when Jesus came in the flesh. They rejected Him because they thought they understood the scriptures and that they were infallible.
God doesn't like being locked in a box, even one that's a book.
I believe the Bible is the infallible, inerrant, plenary word of God. The book of Enoch I take with a grain of salt. Not only that but the Council of Trent said I must believe these Apocraphyl books or I am anathema.
Since you seem to view yourself as an authority on scripture, you should be able to answer these questions.
Why was Moses banned from entering the promised land?
Who is "The Rock" according to scripture?
What did Moses claim later as the reason God banned him from the land?
Who is the only person is the Bible to tell God to blot his name out of His book?
Who is the accuser?
Who did Jesus say will stand and accuse?
Moses introduced the Law that condemns to death, sinned against God and blamed everyone but himself. He introduced a ransom they had to pay for their lives. Jesus introduced Grace and Mercy and everlasting Life. He never sinned but took the sin of everyone else on Himself and died for them, paying the ransom for us.
You follow Dogma anon, not Truth. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. If you're not following Truth, you're not following HIM.
Jesus introduced Grace and Mercy and everlasting Life. He never sinned but took the sin of everyone else on Himself and died for them, paying the ransom for us. AGREE 100%
Jesus is the Word anon. He is all you need. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
If you believe He came in the flesh and died for your sins, then yes you have Him because He Truly came in the flesh and died for your sins.
The problem is if you teach your understanding of something else as absolute fact when you are wrong. Such as saying something is true when it's not and refusing to believe otherwise. You're not seeking Him (The Word, Truth) when you do that.
1 Timothy 1:7
They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
John 1:1-10
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.
6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
So there is no final authority on this earth that can be held in my hand and read? Your problem is that you believe that you are the final authority on this earth. Your opinion is above all. That's satanic.
Jesus is the authority Anon, not me, not you, and not the Bible.
Trust in Him.
I'll give you an example. According to the Bible Moses brought the Law that condemns to death. He sinned against God and then blamed everyone but himself. He introduced a ransom the Israelite's had to pay for their lives. When God barred him from entering the promised land because of what he did he blamed it on the Israelite's saying it was because of them. He was the only person in the Bible to tell God to blot him out of His book. Seriously it's all in there.
He also witnessed for himself that...
Deuteronomy 34:10
no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face.
Yet previously, he said...
Exodus 33:18-20
Moses said, “Please show me your glory.” 19 And he said, “I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name ‘The LORD.’ And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. 20 But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.”
The inconsistencies are a very important part of the Bible (as are coincidences) anon, but most are taught to ignore them because you can't dare question something it says on it's face. The Word (Truth) is in the Bible, but not all of it, and not necessarily on it's face.
John 10:1-18
“Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2 The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5 But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.” 6 Jesus used this figure of speech, but the Pharisees did not understand what he was telling them.
7 Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.[a] They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12 The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. 13 The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.
14 “I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. 17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”
Mark 4:11-12
He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12 so that,
“‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’”
Seek Truth Anon. Pray to God to lead you to the Truth and he will. Anything is possible through Him, if you have faith. Trust him to lead you to it.
Not inconsistencies that constitute error. The bible is our authority on earth. Prove your beliefs without quoting verses from a book you don't believe is true. John 17: 17 - Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. You would make a good Pope. You are your own final authority. Ps 138:2 ...for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
Again, I'm not the authority, and I don't think I will be like God one day.
You don't know what you're arguing about and you're actually arguing against the Bible. You're not paying attention to what I say because you're so convinced you know what I think. You're not seeking Truth because you're so confident in yourself.
Seek Truth Anon, and actually read the verses I quoted. You are in error.
Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. May God open your eyes and Bless you.
2. Since God is a Spirit, there is no final authority that can be seen, heard, read,
felt, or handled.
3. Since all books are material, there is no book on this earth that is the final
and absolute authority on what is right and what is wrong, what constitutes truth and
what constitutes error.
4. There WAS a series of writings one time which, IF they had all been put into a
BOOK as soon as they were written the first time, WOULD HAVE constituted an infallible and final authority by which to judge truth and error.
5. However, this series of writings was lost, and the God who inspired them was
unable to preserve their content through Bible-believing Christians at Antioch
(Syria), where the first Bible teachers were (Acts 13:1), and where the first missionary
trip originated (Acts 13:1-52), and where the word “Christian” originated (Acts 11:26).
6. So God chose to ALMOST preserve them through Gnostics and philosophers
from Alexandria, Egypt, even though God called His Son OUT of Egypt (Matthew 2),
Jacob OUT of Egypt (Genesis 49), Israel OUT of Egypt (Exodus 15), and Joseph’s
bones OUT of Egypt (Exodus 13).
7. So there are two streams of Bibles. The most accurate—though, of course, there
is no final, absolute authority for determining truth and error; it is a matter of “preference”—are the Egyptian translations from Alexandria, Egypt, which are “almost the
originals,” although not quite.
8. The most inaccurate translations were those that brought about the German
Reformation (Luther, Zwingli, Boehler, Zinzendorf, Spener, et al.) and the worldwide
missionary movement of the English-speaking people: the Bible that Sunday, Torrey,
Moody, Finney, Spurgeon, Whitefield, Wesley, and Chapman used.
9. But we can “tolerate” these if those who believe in them will “tolerate” US. After
all, since there is NO ABSOLUTE AND FINAL AUTHORITY that anyone can read,
teach, preach, or handle, the whole thing is a matter of “PREFERENCE.” You may
prefer what you prefer, and we will prefer what we prefer. Let us live in peace, and if we
cannot agree on anything or everything, let us all agree on one thing: THERE IS NO
FINAL, ABSOLUTE, WRITTEN AUTHORITY OF GOD ANYWHERE ON THIS EARTH.
YOUR opinion is YOUR final authority. Your faith is in yourself. How would we know of Him and His salvation if not for the scriptures? My faith for salvation is in Him which I learned from the scriptures. Ephesians 2:8,9 - 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Your position on scriptural authority is straight out of hell.
Anon, you're not paying attention to what I've said or the scriptures I've quoted. You're too busy trying to insult me. Speaking of, what did Jesus say you should do to/for your enemies?
You're so busy arguing the Bible is infallible, yet you don't do what it says.
I'm not saying the Bible is invalid or not useful. All of it is useful and I believe all of it should be there. There are however things in the Old Testament that are NOT TRUE. The New Testament and Jesus tells you this, but you worship the WRITTEN WORD (Bible - LAW) rather than the LIVING WORD (Jesus - GRACE & LIFE) so you will not understand the story in the Bible because you will not consider that anything written in the Bible isn't true as written or that something true was left out of it.
You're completely discounting that the Holy Spirit will teach us anything, or that new knowledge will come which isn't in the Bible. Revelation even has the part where He tells him not to write down what the Seven Thunders said, proving some things are not in the Bible.
1 Timothy 1:7
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Seek Truth and know Him Anon. Seek the Living Word.
No Truth is what matters to me. It doesn't seem to mean anything to you.
You ignore what many of the scriptures say in order to refuse anything in the Bible (OT and not all of it) may not be true as written because you can hold it in your hand.
Isaiah 45:20
20 “Gather together and come; assemble, you fugitives from the nations. Ignorant are those who carry about idols of wood, who pray to gods that cannot save.
Who do you pray to and believe saves you anon? Pages of a book assembled by man or the Living Word of God, the Truth that's talked about in that book?
I didn't say it's not true, I said not all of it is true.
You see you can't even stay within the truth of this conversation and you're getting angry because I'm arguing that what the Bible says about Jesus is fact, he is the Word in the Flesh, the Living Word.
You deny the new testament scriptures I've given you because you refuse to hear Truth out of fear and a seared conscience.
Was Jesus a hypocrite when he corrected the old testament or is it infallible?
Now try asking God to show you the Truth, even if you're wrong and the Bible is not 100% true. If you have faith in Him, ask. You have to be willing to be shown the Truth though.
Also I always ask for things if it's His Will, like the example Jesus gave us. I think it's important.
Yeah shocker that all the "apocrapha" tell us that we are to live righteous (obedience to Gods Torah, not the abominable Talmud) to inherit eternal life, are removed. Messiah tells you to keep the Law of God, don't be like the jews or Christians and follow traditions of men rather than the simple 10 commandments
Read the bible. There are way more than 10 commandments. Even when Moses comes down from the mountain and gives them to the people, there are more than 10.
yes, you can read the exact line he quotes in 1 Enoch. if Jude considered it scripture and Jesus also alluded to the content of 1 Enoch...yes i think that qualifies as scripture. 1 Enoch IS the actual account of Enoch. There are 2 or three other books erroneously names "Enoch" written much,much later. These are quite fake and gay. Important not to forget it is ONE Enoch.
Jude actually states after the quote that HE IS QUOTING ENOCH
He said Enoch prophesied not that he was quoting the Book of Enoch. There other books talked about in the Bible but not included in the canon like the book of Jasher.
Please read what i wrote. What Jude said that Enoch prophesied is AN EXACT QUOTE of a passage in 1Enoch. He said Enoch prophesied that because it was a well known recorded prophecy in a text he and his contemporaries were familiar with.
"Aliens", the MSM version, is equal to the the biblical fallen angels in reality. That's why they push 'ufo' culture so extremely hard. Once you realize UFOs are demons, you then realize the Bible was correct, Jesus was real, Satan is real, the cabal is real ect. They are inter-dimensional. Non-physical. That's why they zip off or dissapear, even caught on video phasing in/out of nowhere. They are not of this realm.
But: they will keep whispering to the cabal ... "Murder children....kill them all... End humanity". These dark beings despise God our creator and therefore us aswell.
The UFO redpill is like a level 10 redpill. It exposes everything at once.
Hurryup MSM, work harder on pushing little green men from flying saucers.
you Qtard anon folk have gone off the deep end.. that being said what the fuck are mitocondria... talk about an alien fucking thing living inside every god damn cell.. so fucking weird..
There is more to it: Those that are trafficking in the souls of men also traffick with these entities. They aren't all happy go lucky. They often threaten those involved. The threats are pretty weird and gruesome so they fall in line.
UFO's aren't demons. They are advanced technology. Some of the beings that fly them are negative and some are positive. For pete's sake do a little more research before you make such emphatic statements as fact. Many of these being are from inner earth (Reptilians), others are from other planets and moons from our solar system and some are from other star systems/galaxies.
I think your the one that needs to do research. You got any solid evidence that there are aliens from another galaxy or reptilians from inner earth. Have you been there personally
Exactly! Nobody gets past the firmament! Werner von Braun's tombstone: "Psalm 19:1" -- which is, "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork."
But: they will keep whispering to the cabal ... "Murder children....kill them all... End humanity". These dark beings despise God our creator and therefore us aswell.
Those are just Archons. They eat Suffering and that's what's been happening here for some ten thousand years. The Matrix is to keep us in Duality to propagate suffering so that the Archons can feast on our energy. This has ended as far as I can tell some time during last few years. Now it just happens "out of habit".
*WWG1WGA = (WW) 11:11 > (W = 23RD LETTER OF THE ALPHABET = 2300 HOURS X 3 = (TRINITY) = ELEVENTH HOUR > (G1) GOD WON (WW) > = 23 = 11 (GA) GREAT AWAKENING
note this post well (By 20594603) it speaks truth!
"Aliens are FALLEN angels. They may appear as "angels of light" but that is a deception. They are of the adversary. If you come face to face with them, renounce them in the name of Jesus Christ! They will flee.
We see before us now the depravity of the adversary, deceiving powerful people around the globe to create a "one world government" to challenge the true Creator and Sustainer of All Things... this will not stand, as God will not be mocked. Make sure you are on the right side of all of this!
No such thing as a fallen angel. Angels (made of "light") do no have free will. They are creatures of absolute obedience. Lucifer was never an angel. He was a Jinn (genie, made of "fire"). Jinns have free will. Some good, some bad.
Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists took it upon themselves to call the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “We exorcise you by the Jesus whom Paul preaches.” Also there were seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, who did so.
And the evil spirit answered and said, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?”
Then the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, overpowered them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
Very common when you are a new Christian, had a similar experience - that is why churches do not want new Christians as teachers/Pastors since they will face even more evil temptations from Satan.
Also fallen angels can not be female. All angels are male (some may argue sexless but either way, they aren't female). They can shapeshift into female form, which is why Baphomet is depicted with female tits - they are male/transgender.
The fallen angles and demons are also explained in the Bible, not only in the book of enoch. Only the churches do not talk about it. You have to read the Bible by your own.
It mentions the Nephilim and breeding with humans in the days of Noah, but doesn't go into detail. Some people take a few sentences from the Bible and really run with it into a tangent. Others pretend that those few passages aren't there, or don't spend much time thinking about it.
Growing up, I puzzled over what I read in the bible. I grew up in the SDA church and their founder had some really effed up ideas on the topic. She pretended black people were a result of "Amalgamation of man and beast" and totally ignored the topic otherwise. I think the phrase, "Noah was perfect in his generations" exactly hits the mark on this. His bloodline was not mixed with these demons.
Satan can also appear as an angel of light. This is the dichotomy of the enemy. they do not simply work in "dark arts" but also false light. Satan and Lucifer - two sides of one coin. Do not simply accept an entity because it presents itself as benevolent. Test the spirits, as scripture states - those that confess Jesus - born of a virgin, lived in the flesh, crucified and resurrected - are of God. Those that will not confess Jesus are of Satan and no subtle variation on who He is can be substituted.
This is what I got outta enoch. Also... In the end Noah was WHITE. Aliens are either demons or angels... I always thought angels were the good guys but these are the bad ones...
what's interesting is that yes, Noah was white..and because he was his father thought that his wife had cheated on him with a fallen angel because nephilim were also white. God said no..this is your son. i think that's interesting because God must have had a reason for Noah to be born resembling the offspring of the watchers even though he was not one.
ETs aren't hostile. They're exactly the opposite. There's nearly endless recording of them dismantling weapons systems, stopping rockets from firing and monitoring load-bearing aircraft.
And why do you think the cabal loves adrenochrome?
Any "abduction" stories are more likely demonic possession than an actual kidnapping scenario. Same with some of these drugs out now, like synthetic marijuana which can allow you to BE possessed much easier. (I've seen it happen)
I had a horrible experience with Scopulicola plant. It tended to erase my identity and my thought was that it would allow me to be possessed. I was terrified and couldn't catch my breath for hours and had to go to hospital . I wondered if the Inca used this in some way to become demonically possessed?
Heretical bullshit that contradicts what's already in the Bible, and calls God a liar by proxy. Follow me, here: if the book of Enoch was truly a legitimate part of the Bible, and God promised to preserve His Word, then Enoch would not have been excluded for hundreds of years. If Enoch is a legit book, and it is not in the Bible, that means that God was either unwilling or unable to preserve His Word thus making Him a liar.
Plus, it justifies people's ayy lmao boners and makes them think they can reconcile "muh aliums" with "but I wanna be sorta-Christian too, just in case!"
Jude quoted 1Enoch word for word and ascribed that quote to Enoch. Maybe you want to think again before saying it goes against what's already in the bible. Nope. Not only did Jude quote it but Jesus referred to it and Genesis 6 summarizes it. Don't be arrogant in your ignorance, man. Just because your dumbed down seminary(CIA) trained pastor said it was fake doesn't make it so. Research for yourself.
No, "kid", 1Enoch the TEXT is quoted Exactly in Jude. Verbatim. Then attributed to its correct author. Do you understand what i am saying? Exactly the sentence in 1Enoch is repeated precisely in Jude.
Usually anyone who uses the line "anyone who disagrees with you is a shill" is, in fact, a shill.
If you're not into researching or questioning anything you seriously got on the wrong bus here.
*And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. - Jude 14,15
And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of ⌈His⌉ holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy ⌈all⌉ the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh
Of all the works ⌈of their ungodliness⌉ which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners ⌈have spoken⌉ against Him. - 1 Enoch 1:9*
God never said anything about modern congregational schisms, mistranslations, nor did he lay out what the "word" was supposed to be besides being in you.
"The Word" represents unchanging truth that governs our existence. Its not the Bible itself. Hence "In the beginning was the Word...". The Word existed before the events/stories of the bible even took place or were formed.
It refutes the claim that "if the book of Enoch was truly a legitimate part of the Bible, and God promised to preserve His Word, then Enoch would not have been excluded for hundreds of years.". Man is imperfect and corruptible and will change the bible to suit its bidding. That does not mean the word of god changes.
Its still around so its still preserved, dipshit. Morons like yourself and your assumptive logic holes are the bane of human progress. Pop quiz faggot, what was the council of Nern? Or Trent? You have swallowed a lie bigger than the stick up your ass.
Here's the thing, if people have nothing to do with the exclusion of certain books, then how do companies these days remove literal verses from the king James? New "translations " which they aren't translations, have changed so much from just the kjv itself. Even the kjv doesn't say most meanings of words and the depth thereof.
God preserves his word yes, but it's everlasting no matter what men change. This means the book of Enoch could very much be valid. Same with the book of the wars of the Lord. That's mentioned in the word also.
Hebrews 11:5 - By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: "He could not be found, because God had taken him away." For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.
Genesis 5:24 - Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.
So whoever wrote Genesis read Enoch, and believed. This is Old Testament. Also, whoever wrote Hebrews read Enoch and believed. This is New Testament.
I was there and helped kill the big red haired one. The sumbitch was like 20 feet tall. I'm not supposed to talk about it though, but fuck the jews if they don't like it.
Yeah that's the one. They sent a cargo heli to get it. We were debriefed and it is listed as top secret, but fuck the US gov. The motherfukas balls were the size of coconuts!
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Not true.
Another one of the lies about the King James Version bible that started around 1900ad.
Look up the this in dogpile search. "kjv based on textus receptus"
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This Enoch book is a fake out. Where and when is was found is as questionable as whats in it.
Its just a way to take people from the one source that tells it all and that it the King James Bible. Fallen Angels is in the King James Bible if you read it. Its all there.
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The book of Jude tells us that the fallen angels that sinned. Enoch refers to these as the watchers. These heavenly creatures were meant to help humans but got way off track; appears they were a human and angelic hybrid. They left their first estate or task to lust after, marry and cohabit with human females, thus corrupting the human genome, their violence and demands put humanity at risk. Aka Nephlim; Jude claims these are now in chains reserved unto darkness. God had to undo that corruption, hence the flood. Noah was perfect in his generations; a good genome, so was the progenitor of the second human epoch on earth. 2 Peter also references the same angels as in chains.
So the cabal worship Satan and his angels, being of Cain in type. The demons are the devils angels, not Jude’s watcher fallen angels per se.
Jude 6–7 (AV): And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
2 Peter 2:4–6 (KJV 1900): For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
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Anon why you use propaganda book called bible as some real source of information. Do you know what other parts are missing?
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The aliens you speak of are the ancient humans the gods created more than 100million years ago.
The world was destroyed and that old race was nearly destroyed but some survived in space.
They have evolved for the last 100million years which is why there tech is so advanced.
But then a message came from the heavens that the new humans would be created in the image of gods.
That's why aliens are involved.
To them this human body is perfect.
Their bodies are flawed.
They intend to clone us and possess the clone body by transferring their consciousness.
My guess is they are using the elites to push this agenda. Promising them the world and more.
They can get away with this because man has abandoned spirituality and god. And the gods won't interfere.
Because judgment day is coming. Where almost every being in the universe will be judged.
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This was a neat juxtaposition:
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Humans are older than you think.
Many civilizations have come and gone.
We keep destroying our selves.
That's why science still can't find the missing link between ape and man. There is none.
The pyramids were built by by a race of giants millions of years ago.
They were once sunk in the ocean but have risen again.
This will all be revealed in the near future.
Our true history is deliberately being hidden from us so that we may fall.
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I was looking for unspoiled Bible - found Geneva Bible. Are there also unspoiled book of Enoch?
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God didn't allow it in the Bible because it doesn't belong there.
20601142? ago
ye think god assembled the bible texts? how about the vatican and the counsil of nicea viewed all gospels and dismissed 90% of them from what was to become the bible because they werent supportive to their ba'al-basedagenda?
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I believe in a God that knows how to write a book and preserve His Words. If your god doesn't, then he is not worth worshipping.
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Which bible?
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https://files.catbox.moe/sqjkgz.jpg
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Demons do exist.
The book of Enoch is BS.
JFK Jr is Dead.
Q is accurate.
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I agree. Do many believe In the Pre-Adamic age. This earth has been destroyed by water more than once. Enoch proves it.
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I believe in pre adamic days. The true garden of eden in Hypoborea. I always had a problem with sacrifice in the OT. Took me down a rabbit hole of shock and awe that quite possibly the Bible holds truths but also lies.
Understanding, we as humans have been genetically modified. 97 percent of our DNA is junk, but we still have the truth of our creation and history embedded in our genetic code. We are truly divine and Gods children. Why do monarch butterfly’s know the exact path to travel south? They die before reaching but their offspring carry on? Because it is in their genetic code. Their memory. We have to open our pineal glands and come together as a collective. This is what is meant I believe by the great awakening. The truth will not be denied.
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https://book-ofenoch.com/download-pdf/
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I have it in my downloads but can't seem to share it here.
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Beautiful book. Explains everything. Can't have the people learning the truth now can they. Hiding it all from us.
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Where can I find said book of Enoch
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https://book-ofenoch.com/download-pdf/
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Imagine what books they have locked away at the Vatican.
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Like Aramaic Bible?
20597296? ago
It amazes me how many people have the allegory of the fallen angels so wrong. It’s not about aliens. Smh. Here it goes:
There is only ONE GOD. There is no beginning and no end. Everything seen and not seen is God’s creation. In the realm of the 7 suns where heaven of all heaven exists, part of God decides to separate itself from the source. Why? To know itself. In doing so, the vibrating frequencies of these slows down and therefore creating what we deem “physical reality”. Physical reality is the “home” of the “fallen”. Meaning that for which separates from the source, GOD. Everything we deem physical reality is slightly denser and of lower vibration hence why we have more evil here than in higher planes. The gist of it all is that GOD is awaiting for those “fallen” to join it again in its glory on the realm of the 7 suns because love is unconditional. God loves all it has created unconditionally. There are processes in place by the “engineers” of this plane to have the over-souls get back to divinity. It’s the system of karmaic cycles. Basically we incarnate over and over again learning and growing until our vibrating essences match that of the source. This takes billions of times to do. In the eye of GOD, this is short. End.
20599587? ago
I stopped reading right there. Gtfo here with that mystic bullshit.
20602831? ago
And that’s why you don’t get it. Read the Aramaic version of the Lord’s Prayer. Then read Nikola Tesla’s discoveries and his theory on reality. Smh. READ. Your mind is a terrible thing to waste.
20599990? ago
open your mind....we are all vibrational sources of energy, which is why you naturally feel when you're "on the same wavelength" as others (or not) around you.
20598387? ago
Hello Nicolaitan.
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I disagree yes it not in the Holy Bible but it'a available.
Those that would not read the Bible would read Book of Enoch, then the Holy Spirit can push them towards the Holy Bible and gain the knowledge of eternal life.
20596983? ago
Yessir, you gotta read 2 books by Michael Heiser: “Reversing Hermon” and “Unseen Realm”. Both books heavily reference pseudepigrapha/ apocrypha and Septuagint works.
20597069? ago
Interesting fact: ancient Israelites referred to sons of God or lower members in Gods counsel as Elyon. Not a big leap to change the spelling of Elyon to Alien.
20601055? ago
Neat. I love the little data points like this!
20596827? ago
Ever wonder if a bunch of ancient yehudites just made a bunch of crap up so youd give your money to them?
20597125? ago
PLENTY is wrong with that statement. You should try READING it before condemning it out of shear LAZINESS. That argument will NOT wash, and is handed out by pop culture to dissuade stupid people (EZPZ targets).
20597146? ago
Reading what the book of enoch? Ive read it a few times chuckle head.
20618652? ago
No the Bible.
20596775? ago
What the ever loving fuck you nut jobs. You really believe in sand wander religions. Hahahaha
20596692? ago
[The Cepher can be fairly described as non-scholarly based on information from its own publishers. This work was not produced by qualified scholars or through an actual process of translation. First, the authors added books that they deemed “missing” from the orthodox Bible, contradicting the opinions of most biblical scholars. Then the words of the text were “transliterated” and cross-referenced with a concordance.The end product is whatever the editor thought the text should say. This type of bias is essentially what publishers of the Cepher accuse other versions of, though the Cepher’s authors have less academic background than those they claim are getting it wrong.
Despite not directly calling the Cepher a “Bible,” the authors have included a significant amount of material, sometimes interspersed with the biblical text, that Bible scholars have long rejected as non-canonical. Reading the Cepher, one encounters a mix of inspired and non-inspired material.
Though the Cepher is a relatively new publication, it seems to have strong connections to the Hebrew Roots movement. This, in and of itself, is a cause for concerrn(https://www.gotquestions.org/Cepher-Bible.html)
20596787? ago
is that from "Snopes"?
20597455? ago
The cepher is sold by a homosexual in Oregon as a business.
https://www.tovrose.com/2016/01/05/the-heretical-et-cefer-bible/
This process of correcting and the willingness to undertake this task unleashed the direction of the RUACH HA’QODESHin our lives, which has provided an enduring motivation for the tens of thousands of hours we have employed to continue this mission.
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Enoch is mentioned in the bible in the following books: Hebrews 11:5, Genesis 5:21-5:24, Jude 1:14, 2Peter 2:4.
If the Book of Enoch is so "not God's word"..then why is Enoch and his writings mentioned in the Bible?
I read the book of Enoch thoroughly 7 years ago...it will scare the HELL out of any believer. It talks about how the world will end, and gives a timeline based in 1,000 year increments. THAT is the reason Enoch was pulled...because it shows a countdown, and talks about how all Evil doers will be dealt with Harshly and without mercy. If a person is not a believer, after reading the book of Enoch, they sure will be one.
20599579? ago
It also details a flat earth with a firmament, portals, and other mind blowing things people wouldn't believe. The scary thing is, it's true.
20606141? ago
Amen
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Agreed.
20599995? ago
it does not depict a flat earth lol
20601713? ago
Yes it does, so does the Bible.
20604531? ago
show it or shut up
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Sauce or GTFO
20603402? ago
How about you gtfo boomer, go research yourself. Stop trying to get people to do your research for u.
20607656? ago
I’m not a boomer, you fucking narcissist snowflake POS millennial.
20604521? ago
you just asked someone to prove something to themselves that doesn't exist. the burden is on you. if it's there, show the fucking sauce or GTFO
20604753? ago
Nah fuck that, I've been down that road too many times with stupid fucks online. Honestly most people are too dumb to understand so I don't even bother anymore.
20604778? ago
you can't post a verse to prove yourself then you shouldn't mention it because around here we don't just take some asshat's word for it that he's a super smarty pants that we should listen to.
20605207? ago
Are you really that useless that you can't find them yourself?
Continue on with your ignorance, boomerfaggot...
20605237? ago
can't find something that aint there,faggot. i feel embarrassed for you that i had to dumb down something i already pointed out once so you could grasp it.
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Oh it's definitely there. Keep on booming you faggot boomer.
Don't you have some grass to cut, faggot?
20605386? ago
everyone's totally convinced.
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Enoch was never removed; it was never a part of the Bible. The Bible was only canonized after Pentecost, when the Catholic Church's Magisterium was established, and therefore men finally had the guidance of the Spirit necessary to define a canon.
Only inerrant books actually inspired by God could be placed within the Bible. Enoch was not determined to be inspired and so was left out. That doesn't mean it is false; it just means it is not inerrant. The Church acknowledges the legitimacy of the book of Enoch and does not try to hide its existence; it even encourages the reading of it. It just teaches that not every word within it should be treated as inerrant; it is history, plain and simple. Worth knowing, but not the Word of God.
20599989? ago
Jude quoted it as prophecy. i kind of trust Jude more than the Nicene council.
20601254? ago
There is no contradiction between the two. For one, the epistle of Jude is not canonical either; and secondly, the prophecy can be true and worth quoting without the entire book of Enoch being inerrant and therefore worthy of canon.
20604720? ago
the book of Jude is not canonical? pardon me? it's in every bible so yes it is. Why is Jude quoting a heretical book and why are we by default saying it has this one true prophecy while the rest is wrong? That's not a logical path to take.
*And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.* - Jude 14,15
*And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of ⌈His⌉ holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy ⌈all⌉ the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh
Of all the works ⌈of their ungodliness⌉ which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners ⌈have spoken⌉ against Him.* - 1 Enoch 1:9
20606472? ago
Sorry, you're right, was thinking of something else.
I never said the Book of Enoch is heretical. I just said it isn't canonical. I admitted that it contains truth, but denied that it is inerrant. That's all.
20607846? ago
ok, that's a fair discussion. but i have to ask, why would we logically not take the historical and prophetic book Jude quoted as being equally inspired and brought forth by God as Jude's own writings? There are some VERY compelling prophecies of Jesus' coming in 1 Enoch. They are the first ever written prophecies about Jesus. The enemy has more than just his own deeds in that book to hide..so it's not so surprising if it was, in fact, excluded intentionally.
20608146? ago
I don't know. I'm not the Church fathers, I don't have access to the Magisterium. Thinking that a book could be denied canonical status for some political purpose only removes the legitimacy of the rest of the Biblical canon, for either the Magisterium (the Holy Spirit) is qualified to establish canon or it is not. It may have been as simple as a single historically inaccurate line, I can only speculate. It is certainly a book that should be read, but for whatever reason, the Holy Spirit did not want to put it on equal footing with the inspired Word of God.
20608258? ago
The Holy Spirit does not force people to do His will. We have to simply assume that the men involved were willing to do His Will. There are some translations of the bible (NIV for example) that uses vastly different words,sometimes leading to vastly different meanings than the KJV. This is one example of some human willfully changing God's message.
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The difference is that corrupt translations are not the work of the Holy Spirit, whereas the work of the Magisterium is.
The books of Scripture were inspired by God from the moment they were written. It is through the Magisterium of the Church that God imparts the wisdom as to which of these books are inspired to men. So the Magisterium is the guidance of the Spirit, not the forcing of anyone's will. This guidance is completely absent from corrupt translations so it is not an apt analogy.
20609257? ago
God provided no mediator between man and Himself other than Jesus and His Holy Spirit. There are no hallowed group of men who can speak for Him but we all receive the truth when we seek it from His Spirit. The Holy Spirit confirms the same message contained in 1 Enoch that we also see in Genesis, the Gospels, Hebrews and Revelation. That validates it for me.
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So what was Pentecost if the Spirit cannot come down especially into certain people more than others? The Magisterium is just the continuation of Pentecost within the Church that Christ founded. And you may decide Enoch is canon, and someone else may disagree. Who is right? Both? Impossible. How do you know which is right, since we are dealing with metaphysical matters that cannot necessarily be proven? Are we supposed to guess? Or did Christ supply us with a Church meant to fulfil this purpose? Obviously He left us a Church, a Church he tasked with "looking after His sheep", and a part of this involves establishing canon and uniformity of belief.
20596924? ago
As a Protestant, we were never told about the book of Enoch. Maybe Catholics are, but not protestants. It was an eye opener the first time I read it.
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I wouldn't Catholics are taught about it either, but many are aware of it, and again, is wirth reading but must be noted as not inspired
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D-EmWSMFz8o
20596386? ago
a big red pill https://files.catbox.moe/c48560.png
20599760? ago
Explain the implications please. If you have time
20601074? ago
The Bible states clearly that Satan has a bloodline on earth. In the garden, the first thing that happened after the "fruit event" was that YHWH talked to 3, Adam, Eve and Satan. He told Satan that he was cursed above every creature. He then told Eve that in sorrow would she have children. This suggests that the event had to do with sex. Eve had had sex with Satan and then with Adam. Superfecundation is when twins are born to a woman that have different fathers. The Bible never names Cain as a descendant of Adam. The Bible later says when Seth is born that Adam now has a son in his likeness.
How far back would it be possible to trace a bloodline?
There are two Enochs mentions in the Bible. One is good, one is evil.
All secret societies can be traced back to Cain or his son Enoch. What secret...why secret?
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20596756? ago
Nice one! First time I've ever seen a visual pattern amongst all of those particular symbols!
20596181? ago
https://www.oneplace.com/ministries/thru-the-bible-sunday-sermon/custom-player/angels-with-dirty-faces-775834.html
Dr McGee explains Lucifer
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It is not canonical because it does not fit in with the other gospels. Not that it isn't true. It simply does not fit the gospel narrative.
Not everything is because of "them". There was good people before "them".
20600017? ago
Jude quoted it.
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So what? The quote is within a book that aligns with the gospel message.
20604766? ago
Exactly. Why would Jude quote a book that was heretical to be forever included in God's word? The Lord is OK with pointing to a message that was somehow NOT in alignment with the gospel message?
20608811? ago
Right. It was cited. A few lines were cited. You don't include the whole book when you cite an author do you?
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No, but i would not be quoting a heretical book in writing that is impressed upon me by the Holy Spirit to write, either. God would not muddy the truth this way by not only including a quote from a book of disinformation, but then also calling it a prophecy. That would be God lying and He doesn't lie.
20612252? ago
Heretical? Who ever said it was heretical?
By that reasoning every book today, in the library, that's not in the Bible is heretical!
Imagine having a science fiction book. But three chapters in the story stop and you find a whole chapter dedicated to the mechanical upkeep of ancient, fossil fuel based vehicles and them the story picks back up in chapter 4.
Enoch does not fit in with the Bible's narrative of the gospel message. If it was heretical it wouldn't have even been quoted. It is however extrabiblical
Meaning it is outside of the scope of the Bible.
20615676? ago
it would be heretical if not truly God breathed scripture because it claims to be. Enoch describes visions of the coming of Jesus and the end times. Either its real and true prophecy or it's the work of a false prophet. Jude quoting it means that either he was quoting true scripture in a book that would become part of the Bible...or he was quoting the work of a false prophet and Jude doesn't belong in the bible either.
What makes you think 1Enoch does not fit in with the Bible's gospel narrative? It most certainly does. It's actually the most pointed example of proof of Jesus being the messiah that was promised. Even more so than well known prophecies in Isaiah. I'm not sure at all why you think there is any contradiction. It is entirely within the scope of the bible.
20596011? ago
Everything goes back to Lucifer
20595732? ago
They removed the book of enoch because it wasn't considered authoratative. Canonization of scripture was taken very seriously by theologians.
20596322? ago
They left if out purposely to hide the Truth. Wake up!
20596061? ago
kind of weird they left in the book of Jude that quotes it then, eh?
20601017? ago
Jasher is also quoted in canon.
20604732? ago
True. Which makes Jasher also worth taking into account.
20595672? ago
When yall have all 86 books of the Bible
Have read thru all 86 books(letters).
Then you may be heard.......you religous clowns have a seat
20595643? ago
is one of my favorite books - totally puts some certain things in a different light and helps make sense out of Genesis 6
20595631? ago
Enoch knew how this would all go down, thousands of years ago.
1 Enoch 6:4-12
20595473? ago
We can't forget about the Sumerian cuneiform script as well. If you can do a detailed, non biased research on the history of all books in the Bible, as well as what the church confiscated (for the sake of "canon"), the Hindu text(oldest religion in the world) and what the native Americans had to say, the picture is completely different. We are not the only terrestrial beings that
God created. Sitchen was incorrect but there are other beings out there as well as being that operate on a different plane of existence. There's a book called the Christ consciousness. Good read.
20595139? ago
Work on the books that made their way into the Bible. Save the other stuff for later.
20595614? ago
Tought by a six foot icecycle (hireling) in a pulpit.
You go right ahead......
20595186? ago
spoken like a Catholic pedophile.
20595259? ago
No, like a Berean.
20595019? ago
Lots of really ignant ppl up ITT. One dude even said it was lost, but its part of the cannon of eithiopian chritians. If bored.... Enjoy.
https://book-ofenoch.com/chapter-i/
20596279? ago
I took his comment to mean the book was left out of the Bible purposely.
20597108? ago
As were 40+ others. No agenda there, right? The Council of Nicea was not for the benefit of humanity, I assure you.
How about the thousands of scrolls burned in the destruction of Alexandria? (those not confiscated by you-know-whom and stored you-know where).
20603926? ago
this is what I've been wondering about; how can we trust something that was manipulated by our enemies?
20596320? ago
It wouldnt be the first time i misunderstood if so, and sadly wont be the last either. In any case its accessible.
20594930? ago
Genesis 6:1-4 New International Version (NIV)
Wickedness in the World
6 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
20595528? ago
KJV please.
20603932? ago
was King James a good guy?
20595990? ago
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
20596195? ago
KJV = "old, men of renown" = TRUTH
NIV = FAKE AND GAY - Compare the two versions here: NIV added the concept of these NEPHILIM as being "HEROES'. Get REAL. More like TYRANTS. Tanksx
20601372? ago
Interesting how they change "fair" to "beautiful"
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20612068? ago
exactly.....can't be associating fair skin or hair with beauty....subtle bit of word magic
20596383? ago
i really only ever read the KJV so i hadn't ever thought of noting what the NIV said there. They actually made them into "heroes". Wow..that says a lot about where the editors of the translation are coming from.
20599648? ago
HERETICS.
Justice coming.
D%
20596128? ago
NEPHILIM
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The fallen or..the fellers.
20595961? ago
Geneva please.
20596089? ago
Eth Cepher, thank you :)
20594868? ago
Non-literate shamans, deep in the Amazon jungle know about the "Enochian" world. They might describe it with different labels than a Biblical scholar, but the concepts are the same. It is known to them not as dogma, but rather, a realm that they can actually see and visit. Not only can they see it but they have a methodology to actively work in this plane. It's just the way it is.
20595799? ago
It's the Spirit realm aka Unmanifest or Dimensions of Love. Getting there is ultimately not that hard. Buy or grow some magic mushrooms, eat them, talk to the Mushroom Dude aka Starman or The Other and do what he says (purify your soul and increase your vibration) and he'll show you.
20603908? ago
are they hard to grow? thinking about seeds and plants that I should have on hand in case shtf.
20605502? ago
To grow magic mushrooms? It's like nothing. You buy a grow kit and it practically grows itself. You get a cake in a plastic box which you put inside a bag.First you flush the cake: you fill the box with water and put it in the fridge for 12 hours. After that you drain the box and put it in the bag. You mist the bag every day to keep humidity at 100%. Once the mushroom are mature, you harvest. Then repeat like 5 times. There's absolutely nothing to it, anyone could do it.
20605728? ago
thanks for the info. never know what's going to happen, so good to be prepared.
20597040? ago
Sort of... there are bad guys to deal with. That's what we're talking about here.
But yes, ultimately you fight them with love. Not to be confused with condoning what they do, but rather to make oneself inhospitable to them because you aren't harboring the negative emotions that they demand.
20601194? ago
Your missing one thing reaching a state of nutrality its what the human battery desires. If were too one sided we def arent optimal. Now i know your about to flip your lid, so im prepared. Shoot away.
20602520? ago
???
Grammar is your friend, btw.
20602261? ago
What?
20600564? ago
Very good! You have high understanding. Have a good day.
20600999? ago
"Chop wood, carry water."
20594842? ago
Get a copy of the Ethiopian bible, my favorite is the Cepher. Problem solved. Enoch explains our world before humans, Jubilees explains life in the Garden of Eden, and Jasher explains who we are, and will give you an entire grasp of what is happening right now because it has happened before.
Just as the Israelites were enslaved by the Egyptians without even knowing they were enslaved to the Satan worshipping rulers of that time, so are we today. Even as we celebrate those same Satanic holidays that many of us “swear” are all about tue birth and crucifixion of Jesus. Learn all of that, and you’ll know the plan...a mass exodus is already happening from the church.its all a lie. All of these controlled institutions, INCLUDING the church are full of false doctrine and teachings. Read it for yourself and have complete understanding.
20599696? ago
Is this the Ethiopic Bible?
20598070? ago
You know Christmas was the worship of the god saturn and the winter solstice.l way before Jesus ever came along. Same with Easter. The Germans celebrated chickens and rabbits as the renew / rebirth of the coming year.
20599973? ago
true, but those were days (like all others) that God made. They stole them. We can have them back and do whatever we want with them. All their bases are belong to us. There is no bad day to remember the Lord.
20613124? ago
Lol, the Lord... O.k.
20615602? ago
yep,The Lord.
20619416? ago
LOL.
20595973? ago
Enoch is not an explanation of the world before humans, though, its specifically centered around fallen angels coming here and interacting with humans.
20596859? ago
I've never read it extensively enough to remember anything from it. Does it mention the fallen angels giving knowledge to humans (engineering, sciences, technology, etc)?
Isn't the world order also ruled by a council of 9 fallen angels or something? Again, my memory fails me, but I seem to remember bits and pieces.
20599793? ago
Yes, it goes into detail of which fallen entity imparted which technologies/teachings.There is a council of 9 but there were a good deal more fallen Watchers. 200 in all with a leader named Shemyaza who is perhaps identifiable with Lucifer.
20597436? ago
Yes, if I remember correctly, Enoch does cover that the Fallen Angels do share their knowledge with humans.
20597413? ago
Yes, all of that. It mentions they give secret knowledge to women, show men how to extract metals from the earth and how to war. The sons of the angels (giants/nephilim/titans) began devouring all the things of the earth, and when those ran out they started devouring men themselves.
Men sent Enoch to beg God for justice. God told Enoch to tell the Watchers (fallen angels) that their sons will all be destroyed, he told Enoch the Watchers will petition God for mercy and he will deny them.
Enoch is transported to a palace that is described as icy/snowy (Antarctica?).
He also takes a tour through all the "mechanisms" of the solar system and describes them in ways we didn't even know until "science" told us so. The motions of the sun and moon and stars. That planets revolve on an axis, that thunder is a result of lightning and the speed of sound. It's incredible. I started reading it all literally. That the earth is all some kind of giant mechanical apparatus.
Just read it, it's not all that long, it will blow you away.
scriptural-truth.com/images/BookOfEnoch.pdf
20601118? ago
That sounds like valhalla
20599376? ago
Very good link, there is also a full list of Apochrypha
20595263? ago
Is this where RH negative blood type comes from?
20596276? ago
RH negatives are the blood types of human prior to hybriding with monkey line. That's why it's called RH Negative, it's missing the RH Rhesus monkey dna markers.
20600870? ago
So are you saying I have no monkey blood running through my veins? :D
20598080? ago
So which is the "good" one and which is the "corrupted" one? All I know is that RH negative is rare, most people are RH positive.
20599899? ago
the monkey thing gets repeated a lot because people believe the rh factor exists in monkeys and humans. it was actually tested on rabbits, i have a different take on the RHd negative origin - the nephilim were RHd negative and the 15% of us who also are in fact their descendants.
20605063? ago
now THAT makes sense.
20605190? ago
people get triggered about the idea quite a lot. thinking of being a blood relation of some of the world's worst tyrants feels bad,man. it logically fits with a lot of other facts, though. IMHO the only blood that matters at the end of the day is the blood of Jesus.
20594697? ago
Nobody removed the book of Enoch from the bible. It is not included in the Bible we have today, but there's a good reason for that. It was completely unknown prior to the KJV Bible and all of the pre-KJV translations and collections of scripture, so there could be no way for it to have been included in the Bible we have today. The book of Enoch was first discovered in Africa (Ethiopia) in the mid 1700's. So your title is unfounded and a lie on its face.
20594872? ago
Just because it's claimed to have been lost in all but Ethiopia doesn't mean it was unknown elsewhere previously.
Mathew 22:23-32
Where is this scripture Jesus referred to here?
Jude 1:14
Where is this prophesy, other than this reference to it in Jude?
Jesus is the Way, the TRUTH and the Life. If you're not seeking Truth, you're not seeking HIM, the ONLY Way to everlasting Life.
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You are missing the point entirely. I am not discounting the fact there are over 100 passages that reference Enoch throughout the bible. I have read the book of Enoch and I do however disagree with the notion it was not included for nefarious reasons because of what it contains. Nobody took it out when it never was in. There are lots of writings that were known that never made it in the bible. Some were quoted by Paul and some of the other writers of the New Testament. Some from reading and others that were preserved in passing the message down verbally.
There was also a group of writings from Christians. These were writers of the second and third generations, people who did not know Jesus or Paul personally but whose writings made a difference in the life of the church. Here’s how that happened. Fairly early, church leaders began to recognize differences in the books. Some books, such as the Gospels and Paul’s letters, were to be read in church as part of the worship service. Others were good books but were reserved for private reading at home, much as we read books of theology or devotional material today. Most of the writings fell into this second category. Much as we might enjoy reading Clement or Barnabas, for example, they are not a part of the canon.
Which get to the bible in its entirety. Princes, philosophers, prelates, politicians and poets have all conspired against it. It has been insulted by the scorn of fools. It has become the jest of infidels and the joke of sceptics. It has been assailed consistently and persistently by professed scholars and has been made the butt of the critic. Assaulted by every known plan of hell, it has come forth unscathed from the inferno. Like the three Hebrew children it has been in the fire and like them it has been wonderfully preserved and there is not a smell of burning upon it.
The cunning of hell and the craft of earth have combined against the Bible but it stands unmoved, for it is as the impregnable rock of Holy Scripture. The Bible consists of sixty-six books written by some forty different authors over a period of a millennium-and-a-half (1,500 years). The first writer, Moses, died about 1450 years before the last writer, John, was born. Yet none of these writers ever denounced, criticized or condemned any inspired teaching in the books of the others. Their historical position was diverse, but their spiritual position was one and the same. Such a diversity creating such a unanimity must of necessity strike the candid reader of Holy Scripture with profound wonder, and surely underlines the unimpeachable conclusion that One Divine Mind was behind this One Book.
Had God wanted Enoch included it would have been included. Simple as that.
20599126? ago
2 Samuel 24 tells the story of David counting the fighting men. So does 1 Chronicles 21. They're both talking about the same incident.
2 Samuel 24:1
1 Chronicles 21.
If the Bible is infallible, do you believe God and Satan are the same?
20601176? ago
In your glee, to try to point out a contradiction you failed to read other passages that are relevant to this story. It parallels the story of Job 1. God allowed Job to be tempted by Satan. You can also read James 1:13 which says, “When tempted, no one should say, God is tempting me.? For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed?” So, on the one hand, the Bible says that God does not tempt anyone, yet on the other hand, from Job 1 we know that God will allow Satan to tempt us, and James 1 adds that even when we are tempted by Satan, it is ultimately our own evil desires which must combine with Satan?s work of tempting in order to bring about evil behavior. I believe that taking these passages together yields a balanced theology of temptation and sin. Actually, this is just a further working out of Genesis chapter three and the fall of mankind. In Genesis three, God allowed the temptation to be in place, Satan did the tempting, but it was the ultimate responsibility of Adam and Eve for their giving in to temptation.
Now, let me get to the issue of whether God incited or Satan incited David. I will have to concede that at first blush this appears to be a blatant contradiction. Nevertheless, there is a unity in these passages, in view of what I already stated above. 1 Chronicles 21:1 says that Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel. 2 Samuel 24:1 says that, “the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, Go and take a census of Israel and Judah.?” Here is how I see these passages working together.
I believe that God allows us to be tested by evil so that our hearts may be revealed and so that we may come to humility and repentance and turn toward him. God allows Satan to tempt us toward evil, but it is ultimately our own evil, working with the temptation, which leads toward evil. This is exactly what happened with David. His heart had become hardened and prideful. In order to reveal his sinful heart, God allowed Satan to incite David to do the evil which was more or less already in his heart. So, who incited? Satan incited David, but it is not inaccurate to say that God, in a sense incited David.
David freely chose to give into this temptation, and that God allowed it all to come about because he was sovereign over the entire situation. The difference in the two passages, though, brings out a different emphasis in both. While in the Chronicles passage the idea is that David had gone so low as to succumb to the temptation of the devil, in the Samuel passage, the main idea is that God did not abandon Israel nor was God’s sovereignty ever in question. Given the themes of both books this makes sense. Chronicles seems heavily “David focused” and Samuel seems heavily focused on the relationship of God to the rulers of Israel.
The net result of God?s allowing and Satan?s inciting David toward sin? Repentance.
20602999? ago
You completely miss the point.
20599036? ago
Anon you're worshiping the Bible as an Idol. Jesus is the Rock, He is the Word. The Bible contains some of the Word but not all of it, and some of it is not the Word of God. You think if God wanted it included he would have, what makes you think He wanted all of it in one book? You're locking God in a box that is the Bible. That's the entire point and what you're missing IN the Bible.
Don't take my word for it. PRAY for God to show you the Truth.
PRAY.
God Bless.
20601494? ago
"The Bible contains some of the Word but not all of it” Does this mean, I can say that I have new words from God and require you to give me all your money? Does it mean I can declare some inconvenient sins no longer a sin? Is that the reason we have over 33,000 different denominations with each following creed books instead of the bible? Can I practice polygamy, child brides and kill off any dissenter and be free from sin? God forbid!
How do you reconcile that with Jude 3, 2 Peter 1:3 Galatians 1:6-9 2 Timothy 3:16-17 Matthew 15:3-9 Revelation 22:18-19?
20602977? ago
No It doesn't mean that and that's a ridiculous argument.
Jude 3
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Are you confusing Faith with scripture?
2 Peter 1:3
What about it? You think this means the Bible is all you need?
2 Peter 1:3
Gospel is not the same thing as scripture. Gospel is the teaching, not necessarily only from scripture, while scripture is the writings. You can have the scriptures but not understand the gospel. The first four books of the New Testament are also called the Gospels.
What makes you think the gospel (teachings, not 4 books) you've been taught is not the perverted gospel? Beware the yeast of the pharisees.
Timothy 3:16-17
Yes all scripture, it doesn't just say the scripture some men decided to put in the Bible or even a single translation does it? Did I say anything shouldn't be in the Bible or is not useful? It's in there for a reason, but you are in error assuming it's all in there and that everything in there is the Word (Truth).
Matthew 15:3-9
How does this go against what I said? You keep confusing the Bible for the Word. The Bible contains some of the Word, not all of it. This supports what I said.
Revelation 22:18-19
This is about the scroll of Revelation, not the entire Bible. This is a great example of the perversion of what you've been taught. It's stated plainly but you don't see it.
20605682? ago
You keep confusing the Bible for the Word. If the bible is not the word of God where is it? Do you have it hidden in your basement? Is it in the bottom of the ocean or the middle of the forest? Not silly questions at all. The Bible is the Word of God! The ever present assumption of the writers of the Bible is that the Bible is the God-breathed Word of God. A good illustration is seen in Psalm 19:7-11 which not only declares the Bible to be the Word of God, but identifies six perfections with corresponding transformations of human character that the Bible will produce in those who study and apply it in faith.
It is apparent that many of the writers did not know of the other writers of Scripture and were unfamiliar with the other writings, inasmuch as the writers wrote over a period of more than fifteen hundred years, yet the Bible is a marvelous, unified whole. There are no contradictions or inconsistencies within its pages. The Holy Spirit is the unifier of the sixty-six books, determining its harmonious consistency. In unity these books teach the triunity of God, the deity of Jesus Christ, the personality of the Holy Spirit, the fall and depravity of man, as well as salvation by grace. It quickly becomes apparent that no human being(s) could have orchestrated the harmony of the teachings of the Scripture. The divine authorship of the Bible is the only answer.
Speaking of the Bible as “a phenomenon which is explainable in but one way—it is the word of God,” Accordingly, the Bible may be regarded as completing the intended divine revelation of God partially revealed in nature, more fully revealed in Christ, and completely revealed in the written Word.
That is your mistake for believing that the bible does not contain the words from God that He wants you to know. Every single word in the bible is God's Word. The Bible contains all of the words we have from God. If it resides someplace else where is it. Is God going to hold you acciuntable Where is it then? Is the word in the forest or in the ocean? Does someone have the word hidden in the basement? If the bible is not the word of God where can it be found?
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.In hundreds of passages, the Bible declares or takes the position explicitly or implicitly that it is nothing less than the very Word of God. Some thirty-eight hundred times the Bible declares, “God said,” or “Thus says the Lord” (e.g. Ex. 14:1; 20:1; Lev. 4:1; Num. 4:1; Deut. 4:2; 32:48; Isa. 1:10, 24; Jer. 1:11; Ezek. 1:3; etc.). Paul also recognized that the things he was writing were the Lord’s commandments (1 Cor. 14:37), and they were acknowledged as such by the believers (1 Thess. 2:13). Peter proclaimed the certainty of the Scriptures and the necessity of heeding the unalterable and certain Word of God (2 Pet. 1:16-21). John too recognized that his teaching was from God; to reject his teaching was to reject God (1 John 4:6).17
20606006? ago
Jesus is the Word anon! Why do you refuse to believe what the Bible tells you?
Are the lies in the old Testament (not all of of the OT, I'm not saying that) Gods Word? Do you charge God with lying? Yes I believe He wants it in there because while some of the words themselves don't tell the Truth, they lead you to the Truth, His real WORD.
Pray to God to show you the Truth, if it's His will, even if you're wrong. Have faith in HIM.
20606224? ago
The first chapter of John's Gospel refers to Jesus as the Word. In verse 1 we read, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." In verse 14 we find, "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth." What is the meaning of these references to Jesus as the Word?
In Greek culture and philosophy, the "Word" or Logos (the Greek word translated "word") referred to the bridge between the transcendent and material universe. John used this concept of logos or "word" as a divine reference to introduce Jesus as divine.
If God verified Jesus' message by raising Him from the dead, then perhaps the chief issue concerns whether Jesus taught the inspiration of Scripture. And certainly the Gospels agree on a variety of fronts that Jesus had total confidence in the text of the Old Testament. Assuming the reliability of the texts, as we just mentioned, we are told that Jesus made many statements regarding the trustworthiness and even the inspiration of Scripture. An inductive examination of Jesus' teachings provides a clear indication of this. One of Jesus' strongest statements concerning the Old Testament Law was His affirmation that heaven and earth would pass away before even the smallest portion of a letter (Matt. 5:17-18). Jesus also taught that these fractions of letters would never fail (Luke 16:17). Further, after citing a particular text in Psalm 82:6, Jesus stated that Scripture could not be nullified (John 10:35). These comments are striking reminders regarding the extent to which Jesus thought Scripture spoke the truth.
Third, as the New Testament writers penned their words, they recognized that they were inspired. They claimed Jesus' twofold promise. The apostles' teachings were based on the foundation that Jesus provided (Eph. 2:20; 2 Pet. 3:2; Heb. 2:3-4). They believed their words were inspired (1 Peter l:12b). This is especially evident in Paul's epistles.10 They were convinced that the Holy Spirit empowered both their teaching and their writing.
If the Bible is truly God’s Word, then we should cherish it, study it, obey it, and fully trust it. If the Bible is the Word of God, then to dismiss it is to dismiss God Himself. The fact that God gave us the Bible is an evidence and illustration of His love for us. The term “revelation” simply means that God communicated to mankind what He is like and how we can have a right relationship with Him. These are things that we could not have known had God not divinely revealed them to us in the Bible. Although God’s revelation of Himself in the Bible was given progressively over approximately 1500 years, it has always contained everything man needs to know about God in order to have a right relationship with Him. If the Bible is truly the Word of God, then it is the final authority for all matters of faith, religious practice, and morals.
There are both internal and external evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word. The internal evidences are those things within the Bible that testify of its divine origin. One of the first internal evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word is seen in its unity. Even though it is really sixty-six individual books, written on three continents, in three different languages, over a period of approximately 1500 years, by more than 40 authors who came from many walks of life, the Bible remains one unified book from beginning to end without contradiction.
Another of the internal evidences that indicates the Bible is truly God’s Word is the prophecies contained within its pages. The Bible contains hundreds of detailed prophecies relating to the future of individual nations including Israel, certain cities, and mankind. Other prophecies concern the coming of One who would be the Messiah, the Savior of all who would believe in Him. Unlike the prophecies found in other religious books or those by men such as Nostradamus, biblical prophecies are extremely detailed. There are over three hundred prophecies concerning Jesus Christ in the Old Testament. Not only was it foretold where He would be born and His lineage, but also how He would die and that He would rise again. There simply is no logical way to explain the fulfilled prophecies in the Bible other than by divine origin. There is no other religious book with the extent or type of predictive prophecy that the Bible contains.
A third internal evidence of the divine origin of the Bible is its unique authority and power. While this evidence is more subjective than the first two, it is no less a powerful testimony of the divine origin of the Bible. The Bible’s authority is unlike any other book ever written. This authority and power are best seen in the way countless lives have been transformed by the supernatural power of God’s Word. Drug addicts have been cured by it, sexually impure are set free by it, derelicts and deadbeats transformed by it, hardened criminals reformed by it, sinners rebuked by it, and hate turned to love by it. The Bible does possess a dynamic and transforming power that is only possible because it is truly God’s Word.
20606323? ago
Seems like you're assuming John meant something other than what he said.
He had confidence in His understanding of the Truth. He corrected things written in the old testament. He is the Living Word, not the scriptures.
The Bible is very valid and it contains a ton of truth and prophecy, but not every single thing in the old testament is true. You're refusing to see the Truth of Jesus because you believe what's written in the Bible is not 100% true.
Jesus is the Way, the TRUTH, and the Life.
20613352? ago
Think about it for a moment: The Creator of all that exists reveals himself to a small group of former Egyptian slaves in a remote corner of the globe. Not to kings and emperors, or to scholars in leading universities, but to shepherds, fishermen, tax collectors, refugees. Then to those far off like us God preserved His Word for all of us to read. Paul was convinced that “all Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16). He meant the Old Testament, which was the Bible of his day.
Peter, the leader of early Christianity, considered Paul’s writings to be Scripture as well: “[Paul] writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do to the other Scriptures, to their own destruction” (2 Peter 3:16, my emphasis).
Jesus believed his words to be divinely inspired: “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Luke 21:33).
Speaking of the totality of biblical revelation, the writer to the Hebrews claims, “The word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart” (Hebrews 4:12).
Someone said, “God said, I believe it, and that settles it.” His friend replied, “No, God said it and that settles it, whether I believe it or not.”
Now, let’s turn to objective evidence that the Bible is right in its self-description as God’s inspired, authoritative word. We begin with the manuscript evidence. No original manuscript of any ancient book exists today. The materials used in that era could not stand the effects of elements and time. For instance, we have only nine or ten good copies of Caesar’s Gallic Wars, none made earlier than nine hundred years after Caesar. Tacitus, the greatest ancient Roman historian, wrote fourteen books of his Histories; we possess only 4½, none made earlier than the tenth century AD. We can find only five manuscripts of any work of Aristotle, none copied earlier than fourteen centuries after Aristotle wrote the originals.
By contrast, we possess five thousand ancient Greek manuscripts of the New Testament and ten thousand copies in other ancient languages. Fragments and parts of these copies date back as early as thirty years after the originals were written. Complete versions of the Gospels, Acts, Paul’s letters, and Hebrews date to the early part of the third century. Revelation dates to the latter half of that century. Complete volumes date to the fourth century. Extensive quotations of Scripture in the letters of early Christians date to AD 100.
“Textual critics” are scholars who devote their attention to comparing ancient manuscripts and trying to produce a copy as close to the original as possible. Those who work with biblical texts believe that the Old and New Testaments we possess today are virtually identical to the originals. The only questions that remain affect matters of spelling, punctuation, and isolated verses. None relates to essential doctrines or practices of the faith.
Archaeological finds continue to give us confidence that the biblical writers accurately recorded history. For instance, the Pool of Bethesda (John 5:2) was once dismissed as non-historical. Now, tour guides in Jerusalem point groups to its location in the northeast quarter of the Old City. I’ve seen the ruins myself. We have a stone inscription documenting the life and office of Pontius Pilate; the ossuary (coffin) of Caiaphas, the High Priest of the crucifixion; an inscription found at Delphi that describes the work of Gallio, proconsul at Corinth (Acts 18:12-17); and scores of other artifacts that document the accuracy of biblical history and description.
What makes the Bible different from other holy books? In a word, Jesus. He taught that no one comes to the Father except through him (John 14:6). The Bible was written to help us believe in him and find life in his love (John 20:31). The sacred writings of the various world religions each tell a different story about the divine, the afterlife, and the purpose of life today. Different roads lead to different destinations. The road you choose determines where your trip will end.
Choose wisely.
20615311? ago
No, and you think to about it for a lot longer than a moment. PRAY.
It's generally agreed Moses wrote the first 5 books right?
Ok, according to those books of the Bible which people keep claiming is infallible, Moses went up on a mountain for 40 days and 40 nights with God. (Side note- How long was Jesus tempted by Satan?).
According to the Bible, when Moses was on the mountain the first time, the Israelite's made a golden calf idol. God told Moses to leave so he could destroy the guilty people. Moses told God not to destroy them but to forgive them. God relented. Then Moses came down the mountain, got mad, broke the ten commandment tablets God had made and killed a bunch of people except his brother that actually made the golden calf. He passed judgement that God did not pass but said God said to do it. He spoke for God but lied. He killed people but spared the guilty person, his brother. All according to his own writings in the Bible.
According to the Bible, Moses asked to see Gods face, but God told him no human can see my face and live. Later he wrote he knew God face to face.
After breaking the tablets and killing people he goes back up the mountain for another 40 days and 40 nights, tells God to forgive the people but if He wont then blot his name out of His book. (you know the book of life). God says he will punish who sinned against him when the proper time comes. Uh oh.
Moses came down again and introduced a ransom all the Israelite's have to pay for their lives.
When the Israelite's are grumbling because there's no water, God tells Moses to strike the rock to get water and he does it. When it happens again, God tells Moses not to strike the rock this time, but to talk to the rock instead. Moses strikes the rock again instead and 12 springs of water spring forth.
According to the Bible, who is the Rock that gives Living water? He was struck and 12 springs came forth. Jesus.
God gets mad at Moses for striking the rock, saying because Moses didn't uphold Him as holy he is not allowed to enter the promised land.
Later Moses writes that God banned him because of the Israelite's, he blames them rather than accepting responsibility for his own actions. The story changes and he wrote both.
Moses introduced the LAW (written word) that condemns to death. They considered it 100% law as written, black and white, you couldn't even carry a mat on the sabbath. Moses sinned against God but blamed everyone but himself. He introduced a ransom the Israelite's had to pay for their lives.
Jesus introduced Grace and everlasting Life. He is the Living Word. He came in the flesh and fulfilled the written word that condemns to death so that we may have Life. He was without sin but took our sin upon himself and paid the ransom for us. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. All those who came before Him are robbers and thief's. Jesus is the Good Shepard. The Good Shepard cares for the sheep because they are His. The hired hand doesn't care for the sheep because they are not his sheep. When wolves come the hired hand runs away.
Yeah, Jesus. Jesus is the Living Word, He is Truth. He has authority to take up His life again.
Yeah all scripture, not only some scripture some people decided to include in a single book with pages of wood they worship as an idol much later after Paul wrote that. The old testament doesn't include scriptures the bible refers to as scriptures. Think about that.
While the writings of Moses may not all be true as written, they're definitely useful to understanding the Truth in the Bible.
I don't deny Paul.
Side note, Who is the Rock in the Bible again? Who did the old Testamant say would build the house for the Lord?
"Your name is Peter, and on THIS rock I build my church. So the Rock said "on THIS rock I build my church."? Interesting huh?
"3 times before the rooster crows you will deny me.
"Remember, to the Lord a day is as a thousand years."
"The first will be last, and the last will be first."
Jesus is the Living Word of God. He is Truth.
Yes let's turn to evidence. Has the creation story Moses gave been proven by science? If SOME of the old testament is not true, but the new testament is absolutely true, do you not make people stumble by insisting they must believe everything in the old testament along with the new testament?
Jesus is the Way, the TRUTH and the Life. He is the ONLY Way to the Father.
Pray to God to reveal the Truth to you. Don't take my word for it. Pray to Him to show you the Truth and be willing to hear His answer. God Bless.
20618170? ago
"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. In any translation it always comes out the same. What rock? What did Peter say when asked? "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." God's entire plan of salvation from the moment Adam and Eve sinned was based on the Messiah, the Son of the living God! That is the rock! 17 times in the OLD and New Testament Jesus Christ was referred to as the rock. 1 Peter 2:6
For this is contained in Scripture: "BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A CHOICE STONE, A PRECIOUS CORNER stone, AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."
Peters confession as to whom Jesus is the rock. Everything about Christianity is based on that truth. "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God."
20618290? ago
Yep. Jesus is the Rock but Catholics want you to believe it was Peter, because they claim the authority of Jesus.
20620423? ago
I thought you were tryijg to hide you were Catholic and hiding the fact like someone selling Amway.
20621562? ago
lol No.
I'm non denominational Christian.
20625314? ago
Same here!
20594858? ago
This is an odd assertion given that it is quoted by jesus and referenced in the NT.
20595345? ago
It is also referenced in Genesis.
20594828? ago
Various Aramaic fragments found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, as well as Koine Greek and Latin fragments were proof that The Book of Enoch was known by early Jews and Christians. This book was also quoted by some 1st and 2nd century authors as in the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs. Authors of the New Testament were also familiar with some content of the story.[5] A short section of 1 Enoch (1:9) is cited in the New Testament, Epistle of Jude, Jude 1:14–15, and is attributed there to "Enoch the Seventh from Adam" (1 En 60:8), although this section of 1 Enoch is a midrash on Deuteronomy 33:2. Several copies of the earlier sections of 1 Enoch were preserved among the Dead Sea Scrolls.[3]
20597130? ago
You are missing the point entirely. I am not discounting the fact there are over 100 passages that reference Enoch throughout the bible. I whole heartly disagree with the notion it was not included for nefarious reasons because of what it contains. Nobody took it out when it never was in. There are lots of writings that were known that never made it in the bible. Some were quoted by Paul and some of the other writers of the New Testament. Some from reading and others that were preserved in passing the message down verbally.
There was also a group of writings from Christians. These were writers of the second and third generations, people who did not know Jesus or Paul personally but whose writings made a difference in the life of the church. Here’s how that happened. Fairly early, church leaders began to recognize differences in the books. Some books, such as the Gospels and Paul’s letters, were to be read in church as part of the worship service. Others were good books but were reserved for private reading at home, much as we read books of theology or devotional material today. Most of the writings fell into this second category. Much as we might enjoy reading Clement or Barnabas, for example, they are not a part of the cannon.
Which get to the bible in its entirety. Princes, philosophers, prelates, politicians and poets have all conspired against it. It has been insulted by the scorn of fools. It has become the jest of infidels and the joke of sceptics. It has been assailed consistently and persistently by professed scholars and has been made the butt of the critic. Assaulted by every known plan of hell, it has come forth unscathed from the inferno. Like the three Hebrew children it has been in the fire and like them it has been wonderfully preserved and there is not a smell of burning upon it.
The cunning of hell and the craft of earth have combined against the Bible but it stands unmoved, for it is as the impregnable rock of Holy Scripture. The Bible consists of sixty-six books written by some forty different authors over a period of a millennium-and-a-half (1,500 years). The first writer, Moses, died about 1450 years before the last writer, John, was born. Yet none of these writers ever denounced, criticized or condemned any inspired teaching in the books of the others. Their historical position was diverse, but their spiritual position was one and the same. Such a diversity creating such a unanimity must of necessity strike the candid reader of Holy Scripture with profound wonder, and surely underlines the unimpeachable conclusion that One Divine Mind was behind this One Book.
Had God wanted Enoch included it would have been included. Simple as that.
20594785? ago
The book of Jude quotes 1 Enoch word-for-word AND ascribes it to Enoch. It was most certainly known and read before the compilation of the existing cannon.
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You are incorrect sir... The book of Enoch was referred to by Jesus. He made several statements, that unless you knew the book of Enoch it would have no meaning. So this tells us, it was part of Gods word in his time. It is ALSO WHY it was found in the Dead Sea scrolls. The vatican had their hand in which texts got into the Canon right??? Ding DING DING!
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Vatican didnt decide the cannon, the first council of nicea did.
20594683? ago
Had read the surviving text many years ago. Fascinating shit.
BTW, Qs a faggot larp.
20594948? ago
Surviving? Are you retarded? We have the entire book its part of the caanon of the Ethiopian christians' bible.
20594677? ago
If God wanted to keep the book of Enoch in the canons He has the power and would have done so. It's out for a reason just like the Apocrypha.
20595007? ago
2 Timothy 3:16-17
Matthew 7:7
So you expect everything to be in one handy book compiled by others for your convenience, rather than having to seek Truth for yourself? Even though that handy Book and the main character in it (Jesus) Himself refers to scripture that's not in that handy Book?
Jesus is the Living Word. Stop treating the Bible as an Idol. Jesus is the Way, the TRUTH and the Life. If you're not seeking Truth, you're not seeking HIM. The ONLY Way to everlasting LIFE.
20596192? ago
1:1 Implies restoration during tribulation - not congruent with scriptures.
1:8 In conflict with the doctrine that peace was made at the cross. Also, in the last days tribulation will increase for the righteous - this "verse" seems to dispute that.
2:2-3 Appears to contradict 2 Pet 3:3-7
5:4 Is an admonition to some unknown party - this is very irregular relative to the scriptures (i.e. authentic ancient writings by God-fearing Jews)
6:3 Semjaza seems to be listed as the leader of the angels, which is not scriptural
6:3,8 None of these angels are mentioned in the Bible
8:1 Azazel isn't even listed in 6:8 as one of the angels that fornicated with women
8:3 Araqiel and Shamsiel aren't listed in 6:8 either
10:2 Enoch allegedly wrote about Noah, even though the Bible teaches that Enoch was taken up to heaven years before Noah was born.
10:4-6,12 Implies angels can be bound & hid in holes under rocks. This is contrary to scripture.
10:8 Ascribes all the sin of the fallen angels to one named Azazel - not scriptural.
10:15-11:2 Seems to imply that permanent restoration took place after the flood - clearly not true. It seems the true author of this book confused scriptures pertaining to the future restoration.
13:5-6,14:4-5,7 Implies fallen angels can't talk to God - this contradicts Job. Also implies that angels were repentant, but weren't received back by God - very strange doctrine.
14 Gives a very strange description of Heaven that conflicts with many scriptures
15:8-10 Very strange doctrine about "evil spirits" proceeding from unredeemable giants
17-18,21,23 Gives a very strange description of the earth & universe which is clearly not true. Also alludes to the ancient model of astronomy that held that there were 7 stars (the closest planets) which burned like the sun (they don't.)
19:3 Discredits all other prophecy about the consumation of the ages.
20 Lists strange angels not in scripture, and incorrectly assigns the roles of Michael (the warrior) and Gabriel (the messenger)
21:7-10 Seems to contradict Biblical descriptions of the present & final judgement places for the fallen angels
22 Contradicts the Biblical descriptions of past, present & future dwelling places for the righteous who die
32:2-6 Seems to imply the Garden of Eden was still in existance after the Flood
33:1-2 Says Heaven rests on a foundation that is at the Eastern edge of the earth
33:3 He claims he counted the stars & individually mapped them, which is impossible scripturally (& scientifically)
34 Says the winds come out of a "portal" at the Northern edge of the earth
36:3 Says the stars come out of portals at the Eastern edge of the earth & move West
38:5-6 Contradicts Daniel & other prophecies about the Mellinial Reign
39:1-2 Very strange implications here about the "seed" of angels dwelling with men at the end... this contradicts the scriptures
40:7 Talks about the "Satans" - plural, different than the Bible, who gives that name to only one fallen angel. Also, implies Satan can't stand in God's presence, contrary to Job.
40:9 Once again mixes up the roles of the 2 Archangels & adds more names in. Michael's role in scripture is related to conquoring nations & fighting spiritual wars, while Gabriel's relates to bringing messages & visions to people.
41:1-2 Says the Kingdom of God is divided - it's not & can't be scripturally. Also describes sinners being repelled from a mansion, which is also not scriptural, unless you look at a parable Jesus told, which was not intended to be literal.
41:4-5 Says the sun, moon, winds, etc. are stored in chambers & released at appointed times.
41:6-7 Implies the sun & moon move opposite of each other
43:1-3,44 Very weird model of the nature of stars & lightning
47:4 Says God requires the blood of the saints... very strange
51:1 Says Sheol & Hell will give back to the earth, which isn't scriptural - also Hell is a NT term, not OT
51:2 Disputes the Biblical doctrine that we are chosen. (We don't have to wait until Christ's return to be chosen.) This isn't scriptural.
20597453? ago
Where is chapter 11!?
20597358? ago
Yes I have, several times.
It doesn't go against the Bible, it goes against your limited understanding of the Bible.
Most Christians don't even understand the Truth of what the Bible says about Moses and Solomon. Based on your response I'm guessing you're one of them. People take evil in the Bible as good because its in the Bible and they don't understand what it's telling them. They treat the Bible as an idol and put their faith in their own limited understanding of the Bible rather than in Jesus. Jesus is the Living Word of God, but many consider the Bible the living word of God, even though it never makes that claim and neither did God. Jesus is the Living Word!
The Bible tells a story that many completely miss because they think they're being evil if they question something or someone in the Bible or more accurately their interpretation of it.
How many people pray God will give them understanding of the Bible, but if the slightest thought comes to their mind in contradiction of something they think they understand of the Bible they dismiss it as as evil?
Ask and you will receive.
Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. If you're not seeking TRUTH, you're not really seeking HIM.
20598381? ago
No you haven't or you would see the inconsistencies or you are dull.
20598503? ago
lol
The inconsistencies are very important, same as with the Bible. I never said everything in the book of Enoch is True did I? But it's important.
The same with the Old Testament, but I bet you don't even realize that.
"The mystery of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to those on the outside everything is expressed in parables, so that, ‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven.’”
Humble yourself and pray for God to reveal the Truth in the Bible to you. Just don't reject HIM, the TRUTH because it's not what you thought you had figured out. You know, just like the non believers when Jesus came in the flesh. They rejected Him because they thought they understood the scriptures and that they were infallible.
God doesn't like being locked in a box, even one that's a book.
20598569? ago
I believe the Bible is the infallible, inerrant, plenary word of God. The book of Enoch I take with a grain of salt. Not only that but the Council of Trent said I must believe these Apocraphyl books or I am anathema.
20599247? ago
2 Samuel 24 tells the story of David counting the fighting men. So does 1 Chronicles 21. They're both talking about the same incident.
2 Samuel 24:1
1 Chronicles 21:1
If the Bible is infallible, do you believe God and Satan are the same?
Who wrote these verses?
Who did Jesus say came before Him?
20603436? ago
So an infallible word of God does not exist. Is that what you are saying?
20598707? ago
Since you seem to view yourself as an authority on scripture, you should be able to answer these questions.
Why was Moses banned from entering the promised land?
Who is "The Rock" according to scripture?
What did Moses claim later as the reason God banned him from the land?
Who is the only person is the Bible to tell God to blot his name out of His book?
Who is the accuser?
Who did Jesus say will stand and accuse?
Moses introduced the Law that condemns to death, sinned against God and blamed everyone but himself. He introduced a ransom they had to pay for their lives. Jesus introduced Grace and Mercy and everlasting Life. He never sinned but took the sin of everyone else on Himself and died for them, paying the ransom for us.
You follow Dogma anon, not Truth. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. If you're not following Truth, you're not following HIM.
May God open your eyes. God Bless.
20598754? ago
Jesus introduced Grace and Mercy and everlasting Life. He never sinned but took the sin of everyone else on Himself and died for them, paying the ransom for us. AGREE 100%
20598609? ago
You're following the teachings of men rather than of God.
Show me where the Bible claims to be the infallible, inerrant, plenary word of God? Did Jesus ever say that?
You should read it again, pay very special attention to Moses.
20598719? ago
So you are saying God's word doesn't exist? If it does, where can I get a copy?
20598769? ago
Jesus is the Living Word of God. He is eternal.
Seek and you will find. Humble yourself, pray and ask God for understanding if it's his will. Then be open to what He tells you.
20603500? ago
He that hath the Son hath life and I have Him. Without the Word of the Lord we would know nothing
20603669? ago
Jesus is the Word anon. He is all you need. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
If you believe He came in the flesh and died for your sins, then yes you have Him because He Truly came in the flesh and died for your sins.
The problem is if you teach your understanding of something else as absolute fact when you are wrong. Such as saying something is true when it's not and refusing to believe otherwise. You're not seeking Him (The Word, Truth) when you do that.
1 Timothy 1:7
John 1:1-10
John 14:6
God Bless Anon.
20604004? ago
So there is no final authority on this earth that can be held in my hand and read? Your problem is that you believe that you are the final authority on this earth. Your opinion is above all. That's satanic.
20604244? ago
Jesus is the authority Anon, not me, not you, and not the Bible.
Trust in Him.
I'll give you an example. According to the Bible Moses brought the Law that condemns to death. He sinned against God and then blamed everyone but himself. He introduced a ransom the Israelite's had to pay for their lives. When God barred him from entering the promised land because of what he did he blamed it on the Israelite's saying it was because of them. He was the only person in the Bible to tell God to blot him out of His book. Seriously it's all in there.
He also witnessed for himself that...
Deuteronomy 34:10
Yet previously, he said...
Exodus 33:18-20
The inconsistencies are a very important part of the Bible (as are coincidences) anon, but most are taught to ignore them because you can't dare question something it says on it's face. The Word (Truth) is in the Bible, but not all of it, and not necessarily on it's face.
John 10:1-18
Mark 4:11-12
Seek Truth Anon. Pray to God to lead you to the Truth and he will. Anything is possible through Him, if you have faith. Trust him to lead you to it.
20604859? ago
Not inconsistencies that constitute error. The bible is our authority on earth. Prove your beliefs without quoting verses from a book you don't believe is true. John 17: 17 - Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. You would make a good Pope. You are your own final authority. Ps 138:2 ...for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
20604983? ago
I didn't say I don't believe the Bible is true.
I said not everything in it is true, and that it doesn't contain the entire truth.
You don't even know what you're arguing about.
20605076? ago
That makes YOU the final authority because YOU decide what's truth and what's not. You may think one day you will be like the Most High but you won't.
20605147? ago
See my edit in case you missed it.
Again, I'm not the authority, and I don't think I will be like God one day.
You don't know what you're arguing about and you're actually arguing against the Bible. You're not paying attention to what I say because you're so convinced you know what I think. You're not seeking Truth because you're so confident in yourself.
Seek Truth Anon, and actually read the verses I quoted. You are in error.
Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. May God open your eyes and Bless you.
20605245? ago
I know what I read and stick to my post. YOU ARE YOUR OWN FINAL AUTHORITY.
20605352? ago
You should read it again.
I don't have authority, I have the Word and my faith is in HIM.
Your faith is in yourself and something assembled by man that you can hold in your hands, even though you argue against what it says.
Woe to you Anon.
20605559? ago
THE CREED OF
THE ALEXANDRIAN CULT
1. There is no final authority but God.
2. Since God is a Spirit, there is no final authority that can be seen, heard, read,
felt, or handled.
3. Since all books are material, there is no book on this earth that is the final
and absolute authority on what is right and what is wrong, what constitutes truth and
what constitutes error.
4. There WAS a series of writings one time which, IF they had all been put into a
BOOK as soon as they were written the first time, WOULD HAVE constituted an infallible and final authority by which to judge truth and error.
5. However, this series of writings was lost, and the God who inspired them was
unable to preserve their content through Bible-believing Christians at Antioch
(Syria), where the first Bible teachers were (Acts 13:1), and where the first missionary
trip originated (Acts 13:1-52), and where the word “Christian” originated (Acts 11:26).
6. So God chose to ALMOST preserve them through Gnostics and philosophers
from Alexandria, Egypt, even though God called His Son OUT of Egypt (Matthew 2),
Jacob OUT of Egypt (Genesis 49), Israel OUT of Egypt (Exodus 15), and Joseph’s
bones OUT of Egypt (Exodus 13).
7. So there are two streams of Bibles. The most accurate—though, of course, there
is no final, absolute authority for determining truth and error; it is a matter of “preference”—are the Egyptian translations from Alexandria, Egypt, which are “almost the
originals,” although not quite.
8. The most inaccurate translations were those that brought about the German
Reformation (Luther, Zwingli, Boehler, Zinzendorf, Spener, et al.) and the worldwide
missionary movement of the English-speaking people: the Bible that Sunday, Torrey,
Moody, Finney, Spurgeon, Whitefield, Wesley, and Chapman used.
9. But we can “tolerate” these if those who believe in them will “tolerate” US. After
all, since there is NO ABSOLUTE AND FINAL AUTHORITY that anyone can read,
teach, preach, or handle, the whole thing is a matter of “PREFERENCE.” You may
prefer what you prefer, and we will prefer what we prefer. Let us live in peace, and if we
cannot agree on anything or everything, let us all agree on one thing: THERE IS NO
FINAL, ABSOLUTE, WRITTEN AUTHORITY OF GOD ANYWHERE ON THIS EARTH.
This is the Creed of the Alexandrian Cult.
20605596? ago
Ok, thanks for the info I guess.
20605698? ago
You're welcome
20605551? ago
YOUR opinion is YOUR final authority. Your faith is in yourself. How would we know of Him and His salvation if not for the scriptures? My faith for salvation is in Him which I learned from the scriptures. Ephesians 2:8,9 - 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Your position on scriptural authority is straight out of hell.
20605882? ago
Anon, you're not paying attention to what I've said or the scriptures I've quoted. You're too busy trying to insult me. Speaking of, what did Jesus say you should do to/for your enemies?
You're so busy arguing the Bible is infallible, yet you don't do what it says.
I'm not saying the Bible is invalid or not useful. All of it is useful and I believe all of it should be there. There are however things in the Old Testament that are NOT TRUE. The New Testament and Jesus tells you this, but you worship the WRITTEN WORD (Bible - LAW) rather than the LIVING WORD (Jesus - GRACE & LIFE) so you will not understand the story in the Bible because you will not consider that anything written in the Bible isn't true as written or that something true was left out of it.
You're completely discounting that the Holy Spirit will teach us anything, or that new knowledge will come which isn't in the Bible. Revelation even has the part where He tells him not to write down what the Seven Thunders said, proving some things are not in the Bible.
1 Timothy 1:7
Seek Truth and know Him Anon. Seek the Living Word.
He is not the God of the dead, but of the Living.
20606135? ago
You think YOU are God and you're not. "Ye are of your father the devil"
20606255? ago
Not even close.
I think I'm a sinner just like you.
You're not seeking Truth because you're convinced you know better.
Woe to you evildoer.
20606122? ago
YOUR opinion is all that matters to you. More important than the scriptures.
20606233? ago
No Truth is what matters to me. It doesn't seem to mean anything to you.
You ignore what many of the scriptures say in order to refuse anything in the Bible (OT and not all of it) may not be true as written because you can hold it in your hand.
Isaiah 45:20
Who do you pray to and believe saves you anon? Pages of a book assembled by man or the Living Word of God, the Truth that's talked about in that book?
God Bless.
20606293? ago
You pretend to be pious and holy but you are a protestant pope. I can see through you clearly. Ye are of your father the devil
20606334? ago
lol
Read the Bible and pray for the Truth.
God bless.
20606363? ago
Why are you telling me to read the bible for truth when you don'y know if it's true or not. You hypocrite.
20606482? ago
I didn't say it's not true, I said not all of it is true.
You see you can't even stay within the truth of this conversation and you're getting angry because I'm arguing that what the Bible says about Jesus is fact, he is the Word in the Flesh, the Living Word.
You deny the new testament scriptures I've given you because you refuse to hear Truth out of fear and a seared conscience.
Was Jesus a hypocrite when he corrected the old testament or is it infallible?
Woe to you.
20606565? ago
Jesus is God He can change whatever He wants. You are NOT God.. You've been exposed demon.
20606681? ago
I never claimed to be God and do not want to be.
More anger and insults rather than Truth from you.
Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Seek Him anon.
God Bless.
20606832? ago
Your words betray you. YOU ARE A DEMON
20606931? ago
Jesus is my Lord and Savior. He is the Living Word of God. He came in the Flesh and died on the Cross for my Sins and well as yours.
You deny HIM anon, not me.
God Bless.
20607120? ago
In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ leave him you unclean spirit.
20607161? ago
Thanks.
Now try asking God to show you the Truth, even if you're wrong and the Bible is not 100% true. If you have faith in Him, ask. You have to be willing to be shown the Truth though.
Also I always ask for things if it's His Will, like the example Jesus gave us. I think it's important.
God Bless.
20607633? ago
Get thee behind me Satan
20607724? ago
The Lord bless you
and keep you;
the Lord make his face shine on you
and be gracious to you;
the Lord turn his face toward you
and give you peace.
In Jesus Holy Name.
God Bless
20607731? ago
Get thee behind me Satan.
20607735? ago
You already tried that.
20607793? ago
Ha I guess it's not worked yet. Demon still there. Glad you finally admit it.
20607938? ago
I'm picturing a priest holding a cross standing there throwing holy water on someone while that person is blessing the priest in Jesus name.
Or a baptist preacher holding a KJV cause it's "the only version authorized by God" but in the same scenario.
lol
God bless anon.
20600420? ago
Jesus-Christ
20595289? ago
amen & shadilay
20594880? ago
Yeah shocker that all the "apocrapha" tell us that we are to live righteous (obedience to Gods Torah, not the abominable Talmud) to inherit eternal life, are removed. Messiah tells you to keep the Law of God, don't be like the jews or Christians and follow traditions of men rather than the simple 10 commandments
20595357? ago
Read the bible. There are way more than 10 commandments. Even when Moses comes down from the mountain and gives them to the people, there are more than 10.
20597485? ago
I'm not disagreeing with you, the 10 are a starting place for most at least
20594795? ago
Why did Jude quote it then and if he should not have why was the book of Jude included in cannon?
20596173? ago
Was Jude quoting The Book of Enoch?
If so, does this mean the Book of Enoch should be considered Scripture?
Were The Book of Enoch and Jude both quoting from an earlier text (i.e. the actual account of Enoch)?
Was the author of The Book of Enoch actually quoting from Jude to make their book look more credible?
20596411? ago
yes, you can read the exact line he quotes in 1 Enoch. if Jude considered it scripture and Jesus also alluded to the content of 1 Enoch...yes i think that qualifies as scripture. 1 Enoch IS the actual account of Enoch. There are 2 or three other books erroneously names "Enoch" written much,much later. These are quite fake and gay. Important not to forget it is ONE Enoch.
Jude actually states after the quote that HE IS QUOTING ENOCH
20598514? ago
He said Enoch prophesied not that he was quoting the Book of Enoch. There other books talked about in the Bible but not included in the canon like the book of Jasher.
20599599? ago
Please read what i wrote. What Jude said that Enoch prophesied is AN EXACT QUOTE of a passage in 1Enoch. He said Enoch prophesied that because it was a well known recorded prophecy in a text he and his contemporaries were familiar with.
20594603? ago
Enoch exposes and explains fallen angels.
Fallen angels are what the cabal worships.
"Aliens", the MSM version, is equal to the the biblical fallen angels in reality. That's why they push 'ufo' culture so extremely hard. Once you realize UFOs are demons, you then realize the Bible was correct, Jesus was real, Satan is real, the cabal is real ect. They are inter-dimensional. Non-physical. That's why they zip off or dissapear, even caught on video phasing in/out of nowhere. They are not of this realm.
But: they will keep whispering to the cabal ... "Murder children....kill them all... End humanity". These dark beings despise God our creator and therefore us aswell.
The UFO redpill is like a level 10 redpill. It exposes everything at once.
Hurryup MSM, work harder on pushing little green men from flying saucers.
Peace and love, WWG1wga
20602810? ago
What is ect?
20601064? ago
Cant find that video from about 9 ya where the catholic church was saying that the fallen angels where aliens.
20597551? ago
Everything is satanic and evil, including all the people christians slaughtered in the name of their god.
20597473? ago
from: doglegwarrior
you Qtard anon folk have gone off the deep end.. that being said what the fuck are mitocondria... talk about an alien fucking thing living inside every god damn cell.. so fucking weird..
20596453? ago
There has to be more to it. Seriously.
20596638? ago
There is more to it: Those that are trafficking in the souls of men also traffick with these entities. They aren't all happy go lucky. They often threaten those involved. The threats are pretty weird and gruesome so they fall in line.
20596211? ago
https://files.catbox.moe/hbuxly.png
20603069? ago
whats that?
20596201? ago
UFO's aren't demons. They are advanced technology. Some of the beings that fly them are negative and some are positive. For pete's sake do a little more research before you make such emphatic statements as fact. Many of these being are from inner earth (Reptilians), others are from other planets and moons from our solar system and some are from other star systems/galaxies.
20606117? ago
you do realize that many of us do not believe NASA's story of 'outer' space...
20597545? ago
I think your the one that needs to do research. You got any solid evidence that there are aliens from another galaxy or reptilians from inner earth. Have you been there personally
20600969? ago
Exactly! Nobody gets past the firmament! Werner von Braun's tombstone: "Psalm 19:1" -- which is, "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork."
20595851? ago
UFO's are not fallen angels you Before Its News retard.
20595743? ago
Those are just Archons. They eat Suffering and that's what's been happening here for some ten thousand years. The Matrix is to keep us in Duality to propagate suffering so that the Archons can feast on our energy. This has ended as far as I can tell some time during last few years. Now it just happens "out of habit".
20595398? ago
*WWG1WGA = (WW) 11:11 > (W = 23RD LETTER OF THE ALPHABET = 2300 HOURS X 3 = (TRINITY) = ELEVENTH HOUR > (G1) GOD WON (WW) > = 23 = 11 (GA) GREAT AWAKENING
Thus WWG1WGA! = 11:11 GOD WON 11 GREAT AWAKENING
Thanks.
NMBFRG
D%
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20595160? ago
note this post well (By 20594603) it speaks truth!
"Aliens are FALLEN angels. They may appear as "angels of light" but that is a deception. They are of the adversary. If you come face to face with them, renounce them in the name of Jesus Christ! They will flee.
We see before us now the depravity of the adversary, deceiving powerful people around the globe to create a "one world government" to challenge the true Creator and Sustainer of All Things... this will not stand, as God will not be mocked. Make sure you are on the right side of all of this!
WWG1WGA
20611580? ago
No such thing as a fallen angel. Angels (made of "light") do no have free will. They are creatures of absolute obedience. Lucifer was never an angel. He was a Jinn (genie, made of "fire"). Jinns have free will. Some good, some bad.
20595271? ago
You must have faith before you use those words. Words without conviction are still words.
20596582? ago
Words are always wind.
Action kills the enemy.
20595646? ago
Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists took it upon themselves to call the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “We exorcise you by the Jesus whom Paul preaches.” Also there were seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, who did so.
And the evil spirit answered and said, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?”
Then the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, overpowered them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
20595432? ago
Yes but just remember. WORDS ARE WEAPONS SHARPER THAN KNIVES"... SWORD/WORDS 'o-o' <
20596593? ago
Some Jew wrote that so you would write about cutting his Jew throat instead of doing it.
20597546? ago
Triggered Bwahahahahahahahahahahah!
ICU >
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You LOSE THE GAME!
"II bet it's been a long time since you LOST THE GAME..."
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20600948? ago
seems a lot less coherent than your other output, if this is in fact you, NumberFag...
20600973? ago
https://voat.co/v/QRV/3427282
READ.
20600963? ago
"COHERENT COMING" >
I am teaching you the Comms. >
Can you see The Wood From The trees...?
Patience.
ANSWERS are coning.
I am tired, I need sleep. Been AWAKE for a week. REALLY awake...
D%.
20597576? ago
Nigger.
20601089? ago
Shill go back to sleep, your off your meds and cant get up.
20606148? ago
Did you forget you are a nigger?
Bow down, be afraid coon.
20595428? ago
Truly.
If you say those words in is a spirit of fear, you will surely be consumed.
20595118? ago
I was seduced by a femal fallen angles at night some years ago when I was in the process of waiking up. They tried to hold be back
20595723? ago
Very common when you are a new Christian, had a similar experience - that is why churches do not want new Christians as teachers/Pastors since they will face even more evil temptations from Satan.
Also fallen angels can not be female. All angels are male (some may argue sexless but either way, they aren't female). They can shapeshift into female form, which is why Baphomet is depicted with female tits - they are male/transgender.
20602436? ago
They are not fucking transgender you retarded fuck.
20606085? ago
haven't you seen the picture of baphomet?
20603081? ago
yes they are
20595084? ago
The fallen angles and demons are also explained in the Bible, not only in the book of enoch. Only the churches do not talk about it. You have to read the Bible by your own.
20596802? ago
It mentions the Nephilim and breeding with humans in the days of Noah, but doesn't go into detail. Some people take a few sentences from the Bible and really run with it into a tangent. Others pretend that those few passages aren't there, or don't spend much time thinking about it.
20600724? ago
Growing up, I puzzled over what I read in the bible. I grew up in the SDA church and their founder had some really effed up ideas on the topic. She pretended black people were a result of "Amalgamation of man and beast" and totally ignored the topic otherwise. I think the phrase, "Noah was perfect in his generations" exactly hits the mark on this. His bloodline was not mixed with these demons.
20613725? ago
So if Noah's family was clean of the Nephilim, did the interbreeding then reoccur after the flood within the only family that survived?
20625091? ago
Apparently so.
20599739? ago
The Genesis 6 mention is pretty thoroughly expounded on in Enoch
20596563? ago
By yourself.
On your own.
Engrish Class dismissed,
20596937? ago
Did you make a spelling mistake, while correcting someone's grammar?
20597031? ago
Engrish much?
20599966? ago
Asshole much?
20595036? ago
They are not all bad. The Pleidians are allegedly benevolent and are trying to help us...
20595923? ago
Satan can also appear as an angel of light. This is the dichotomy of the enemy. they do not simply work in "dark arts" but also false light. Satan and Lucifer - two sides of one coin. Do not simply accept an entity because it presents itself as benevolent. Test the spirits, as scripture states - those that confess Jesus - born of a virgin, lived in the flesh, crucified and resurrected - are of God. Those that will not confess Jesus are of Satan and no subtle variation on who He is can be substituted.
20595023? ago
This is what I got outta enoch. Also... In the end Noah was WHITE. Aliens are either demons or angels... I always thought angels were the good guys but these are the bad ones...
20600731? ago
Dinosaurs are mentioned at least once in scripture. Giants are mentioned as being a hybrid of man and angels. Fallen angels.
20595957? ago
what's interesting is that yes, Noah was white..and because he was his father thought that his wife had cheated on him with a fallen angel because nephilim were also white. God said no..this is your son. i think that's interesting because God must have had a reason for Noah to be born resembling the offspring of the watchers even though he was not one.
20595933? ago
Giants were the offspring of the nephilim
20595018? ago
t. brainlet
ETs aren't hostile. They're exactly the opposite. There's nearly endless recording of them dismantling weapons systems, stopping rockets from firing and monitoring load-bearing aircraft.
20595065? ago
I just shoot em and let god sort em out
20594638? ago
The aliens love to consume our gland secretions, specifically the secretion from the adrenal gland. It's like cocaine for them.
20595073? ago
It enables them to temporarily communicate with their interdimensional kin.
20594910? ago
Some chicks love to consume our excretions as well.
20596578? ago
I saw these two girls with a Wendy's frosty up their ass 💩
20595635? ago
Fake news
20596244? ago
Nah, its true. Some.
20596261? ago
Yes, some of them are protein deficient because of the GMOs.
20595575? ago
Did you just assume their gender?!?!?! REEEEEEE
20594672? ago
And why do you think the cabal loves adrenochrome?
Any "abduction" stories are more likely demonic possession than an actual kidnapping scenario. Same with some of these drugs out now, like synthetic marijuana which can allow you to BE possessed much easier. (I've seen it happen)
20600727? ago
I had a horrible experience with Scopulicola plant. It tended to erase my identity and my thought was that it would allow me to be possessed. I was terrified and couldn't catch my breath for hours and had to go to hospital . I wondered if the Inca used this in some way to become demonically possessed?
20595443? ago
Epstein got a license at zero ranch to use Ayahuasca
They were congregating with the Nephelim
20595326? ago
I would consider further explanation a worthwhile read for me, if you would consider investing the time in offering.
20596840? ago
seconded
20595076? ago
Curious, how have you seen possession happen?
20594597? ago
I'll bite. Learn what?
20595078? ago
Heretical bullshit that contradicts what's already in the Bible, and calls God a liar by proxy. Follow me, here: if the book of Enoch was truly a legitimate part of the Bible, and God promised to preserve His Word, then Enoch would not have been excluded for hundreds of years. If Enoch is a legit book, and it is not in the Bible, that means that God was either unwilling or unable to preserve His Word thus making Him a liar.
Plus, it justifies people's ayy lmao boners and makes them think they can reconcile "muh aliums" with "but I wanna be sorta-Christian too, just in case!"
20596051? ago
Jude quoted 1Enoch word for word and ascribed that quote to Enoch. Maybe you want to think again before saying it goes against what's already in the bible. Nope. Not only did Jude quote it but Jesus referred to it and Genesis 6 summarizes it. Don't be arrogant in your ignorance, man. Just because your dumbed down seminary(CIA) trained pastor said it was fake doesn't make it so. Research for yourself.
20597676? ago
Lol ok kid
Yes, Enoch (the man) is quoted in Jude and elsewhere. Enoch was a man who lived, and was written of in the Bible. I won't dispute that.
That doesn't make the book of Enoch valid, no matter how much you want it to be.
Nope. Try again. Although, I suppose anyone who disagrees with you is a CIA sharebloo sorosbux shill.
Yeah, nah.
20599644? ago
No, "kid", 1Enoch the TEXT is quoted Exactly in Jude. Verbatim. Then attributed to its correct author. Do you understand what i am saying? Exactly the sentence in 1Enoch is repeated precisely in Jude.
Usually anyone who uses the line "anyone who disagrees with you is a shill" is, in fact, a shill.
If you're not into researching or questioning anything you seriously got on the wrong bus here.
20600621? ago
Ok kid
20604736? ago
*And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. - Jude 14,15
And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of ⌈His⌉ holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy ⌈all⌉ the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh
Of all the works ⌈of their ungodliness⌉ which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners ⌈have spoken⌉ against Him. - 1 Enoch 1:9*
20595985? ago
It seems to be preserved to me.
God never said anything about modern congregational schisms, mistranslations, nor did he lay out what the "word" was supposed to be besides being in you.
20595865? ago
"The Word" represents unchanging truth that governs our existence. Its not the Bible itself. Hence "In the beginning was the Word...". The Word existed before the events/stories of the bible even took place or were formed.
20597713? ago
Yes, John 1:1-2
How does that prove the validity of the book of Enoch?
20598236? ago
It refutes the claim that "if the book of Enoch was truly a legitimate part of the Bible, and God promised to preserve His Word, then Enoch would not have been excluded for hundreds of years.". Man is imperfect and corruptible and will change the bible to suit its bidding. That does not mean the word of god changes.
20595533? ago
Correct.
20597601? ago
I seem to have triggered the Enoch heretics lol
20597741? ago
It's not in The Bible > Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth <
20595465? ago
Its still around so its still preserved, dipshit. Morons like yourself and your assumptive logic holes are the bane of human progress. Pop quiz faggot, what was the council of Nern? Or Trent? You have swallowed a lie bigger than the stick up your ass.
20597493? ago
Really convinced me, heretic.
20595397? ago
Here's the thing, if people have nothing to do with the exclusion of certain books, then how do companies these days remove literal verses from the king James? New "translations " which they aren't translations, have changed so much from just the kjv itself. Even the kjv doesn't say most meanings of words and the depth thereof.
God preserves his word yes, but it's everlasting no matter what men change. This means the book of Enoch could very much be valid. Same with the book of the wars of the Lord. That's mentioned in the word also.
20595300? ago
Wrong.
Hebrews 11:5 - By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: "He could not be found, because God had taken him away." For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.
Genesis 5:24 - Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.
So whoever wrote Genesis read Enoch, and believed. This is Old Testament. Also, whoever wrote Hebrews read Enoch and believed. This is New Testament.
20594625? ago
The Nephilim.
20595812? ago
Killed 1 in the Afghan mountains
20596009? ago
score!
20597401? ago
Still looking for the female
20595877? ago
I was there and helped kill the big red haired one. The sumbitch was like 20 feet tall. I'm not supposed to talk about it though, but fuck the jews if they don't like it.
20597950? ago
I’ve listened to the story on YouTube, it’s crazy. I do believe it and it makes me think about Paul Bunyan. Who was most likely real imo
20597396? ago
https://coercioncode.com/2016/08/16/the-giant-of-kandahar-afghanistan-killed-by-us-military-soldiers/
20598293? ago
Yeah that's the one. They sent a cargo heli to get it. We were debriefed and it is listed as top secret, but fuck the US gov. The motherfukas balls were the size of coconuts!
20594596? ago
All Abrahamic religions are rooted in (((evil)))
20594588? ago
by 'They', do you mean (((they)))?
20594523? ago
Learn the truth, that is. Compromised bastards.