Nobody removed the book of Enoch from the bible. It is not included in the Bible we have today, but there's a good reason for that. It was completely unknown prior to the KJV Bible and all of the pre-KJV translations and collections of scripture, so there could be no way for it to have been included in the Bible we have today. The book of Enoch was first discovered in Africa (Ethiopia) in the mid 1700's. So your title is unfounded and a lie on its face.
Just because it's claimed to have been lost in all but Ethiopia doesn't mean it was unknown elsewhere previously.
Mathew 22:23-32
23 That same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. 24 “Teacher,” they said, “Moses told us that if a man dies without having children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up offspring for him. 25 Now there were seven brothers among us. The first one married and died, and since he had no children, he left his wife to his brother. 26 The same thing happened to the second and third brother, right on down to the seventh. 27 Finally, the woman died. 28 Now then, at the resurrection, whose wife will she be of the seven, since all of them were married to her?”
29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 31 But about the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you, 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’[b]? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”
Where is this scripture Jesus referred to here?
Jude 1:14
Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones
Where is this prophesy, other than this reference to it in Jude?
Jesus is the Way, the TRUTH and the Life. If you're not seeking Truth, you're not seeking HIM, the ONLY Way to everlasting Life.
You are missing the point entirely. I am not discounting the fact there are over 100 passages that reference Enoch throughout the bible. I have read the book of Enoch and I do however disagree with the notion it was not included for nefarious reasons because of what it contains. Nobody took it out when it never was in. There are lots of writings that were known that never made it in the bible. Some were quoted by Paul and some of the other writers of the New Testament. Some from reading and others that were preserved in passing the message down verbally.
There was also a group of writings from Christians. These were writers of the second and third generations, people who did not know Jesus or Paul personally but whose writings made a difference in the life of the church. Here’s how that happened. Fairly early, church leaders began to recognize differences in the books. Some books, such as the Gospels and Paul’s letters, were to be read in church as part of the worship service. Others were good books but were reserved for private reading at home, much as we read books of theology or devotional material today. Most of the writings fell into this second category. Much as we might enjoy reading Clement or Barnabas, for example, they are not a part of the canon.
Which get to the bible in its entirety. Princes, philosophers, prelates, politicians and poets have all conspired against it. It has been insulted by the scorn of fools. It has become the jest of infidels and the joke of sceptics. It has been assailed consistently and persistently by professed scholars and has been made the butt of the critic. Assaulted by every known plan of hell, it has come forth unscathed from the inferno. Like the three Hebrew children it has been in the fire and like them it has been wonderfully preserved and there is not a smell of burning upon it.
The cunning of hell and the craft of earth have combined against the Bible but it stands unmoved, for it is as the impregnable rock of Holy Scripture. The Bible consists of sixty-six books written by some forty different authors over a period of a millennium-and-a-half (1,500 years). The first writer, Moses, died about 1450 years before the last writer, John, was born. Yet none of these writers ever denounced, criticized or condemned any inspired teaching in the books of the others. Their historical position was diverse, but their spiritual position was one and the same. Such a diversity creating such a unanimity must of necessity strike the candid reader of Holy Scripture with profound wonder, and surely underlines the unimpeachable conclusion that One Divine Mind was behind this One Book.
Had God wanted Enoch included it would have been included. Simple as that.
In your glee, to try to point out a contradiction you failed to read other passages that are relevant to this story. It parallels the story of Job 1. God allowed Job to be tempted by Satan. You can also read James 1:13 which says, “When tempted, no one should say, God is tempting me.? For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed?” So, on the one hand, the Bible says that God does not tempt anyone, yet on the other hand, from Job 1 we know that God will allow Satan to tempt us, and James 1 adds that even when we are tempted by Satan, it is ultimately our own evil desires which must combine with Satan?s work of tempting in order to bring about evil behavior. I believe that taking these passages together yields a balanced theology of temptation and sin. Actually, this is just a further working out of Genesis chapter three and the fall of mankind. In Genesis three, God allowed the temptation to be in place, Satan did the tempting, but it was the ultimate responsibility of Adam and Eve for their giving in to temptation.
Now, let me get to the issue of whether God incited or Satan incited David. I will have to concede that at first blush this appears to be a blatant contradiction. Nevertheless, there is a unity in these passages, in view of what I already stated above. 1 Chronicles 21:1 says that Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel. 2 Samuel 24:1 says that, “the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, Go and take a census of Israel and Judah.?” Here is how I see these passages working together.
I believe that God allows us to be tested by evil so that our hearts may be revealed and so that we may come to humility and repentance and turn toward him. God allows Satan to tempt us toward evil, but it is ultimately our own evil, working with the temptation, which leads toward evil. This is exactly what happened with David. His heart had become hardened and prideful. In order to reveal his sinful heart, God allowed Satan to incite David to do the evil which was more or less already in his heart. So, who incited? Satan incited David, but it is not inaccurate to say that God, in a sense incited David.
David freely chose to give into this temptation, and that God allowed it all to come about because he was sovereign over the entire situation. The difference in the two passages, though, brings out a different emphasis in both. While in the Chronicles passage the idea is that David had gone so low as to succumb to the temptation of the devil, in the Samuel passage, the main idea is that God did not abandon Israel nor was God’s sovereignty ever in question. Given the themes of both books this makes sense. Chronicles seems heavily “David focused” and Samuel seems heavily focused on the relationship of God to the rulers of Israel.
The net result of God?s allowing and Satan?s inciting David toward sin? Repentance.
The cunning of hell and the craft of earth have combined against the Bible but it stands unmoved, for it is as the impregnable rock of Holy Scripture.
Anon you're worshiping the Bible as an Idol. Jesus is the Rock, He is the Word. The Bible contains some of the Word but not all of it, and some of it is not the Word of God. You think if God wanted it included he would have, what makes you think He wanted all of it in one book? You're locking God in a box that is the Bible. That's the entire point and what you're missing IN the Bible.
Don't take my word for it. PRAY for God to show you the Truth.
"The Bible contains some of the Word but not all of it” Does this mean, I can say that I have new words from God and require you to give me all your money? Does it mean I can declare some inconvenient sins no longer a sin? Is that the reason we have over 33,000 different denominations with each following creed books instead of the bible? Can I practice polygamy, child brides and kill off any dissenter and be free from sin? God forbid!
How do you reconcile that with Jude 3, 2 Peter 1:3 Galatians 1:6-9 2 Timothy 3:16-17 Matthew 15:3-9 Revelation 22:18-19?
Does this mean, I can say that I have new words from God and require you to give me all your money? Does it mean I can declare some inconvenient sins no longer a sin? Is that the reason we have over 33,000 different denominations with each following creed books instead of the bible? Can I practice polygamy, child brides and kill off any dissenter and be free from sin? God forbid!
No It doesn't mean that and that's a ridiculous argument.
Jude 3
Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people.
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Are you confusing Faith with scripture?
2 Peter 1:3
His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.
What about it? You think this means the Bible is all you need?
2 Peter 1:3
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
Gospel is not the same thing as scripture. Gospel is the teaching, not necessarily only from scripture, while scripture is the writings. You can have the scriptures but not understand the gospel. The first four books of the New Testament are also called the Gospels.
What makes you think the gospel (teachings, not 4 books) you've been taught is not the perverted gospel? Beware the yeast of the pharisees.
Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Yes all scripture, it doesn't just say the scripture some men decided to put in the Bible or even a single translation does it? Did I say anything shouldn't be in the Bible or is not useful? It's in there for a reason, but you are in error assuming it's all in there and that everything in there is the Word (Truth).
Matthew 15:3-9
“And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’[a] and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’[b] 5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ 6 they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’”
How does this go against what I said? You keep confusing the Bible for the Word. The Bible contains some of the Word, not all of it. This supports what I said.
Revelation 22:18-19
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
This is about the scroll of Revelation, not the entire Bible. This is a great example of the perversion of what you've been taught. It's stated plainly but you don't see it.
You keep confusing the Bible for the Word. If the bible is not the word of God where is it? Do you have it hidden in your basement? Is it in the bottom of the ocean or the middle of the forest? Not silly questions at all. The Bible is the Word of God! The ever present assumption of the writers of the Bible is that the Bible is the God-breathed Word of God. A good illustration is seen in Psalm 19:7-11 which not only declares the Bible to be the Word of God, but identifies six perfections with corresponding transformations of human character that the Bible will produce in those who study and apply it in faith.
It is apparent that many of the writers did not know of the other writers of Scripture and were unfamiliar with the other writings, inasmuch as the writers wrote over a period of more than fifteen hundred years, yet the Bible is a marvelous, unified whole. There are no contradictions or inconsistencies within its pages. The Holy Spirit is the unifier of the sixty-six books, determining its harmonious consistency. In unity these books teach the triunity of God, the deity of Jesus Christ, the personality of the Holy Spirit, the fall and depravity of man, as well as salvation by grace. It quickly becomes apparent that no human being(s) could have orchestrated the harmony of the teachings of the Scripture. The divine authorship of the Bible is the only answer.
Speaking of the Bible as “a phenomenon which is explainable in but one way—it is the word of God,” Accordingly, the Bible may be regarded as completing the intended divine revelation of God partially revealed in nature, more fully revealed in Christ, and completely revealed in the written Word.
That is your mistake for believing that the bible does not contain the words from God that He wants you to know. Every single word in the bible is God's Word. The Bible contains all of the words we have from God. If it resides someplace else where is it. Is God going to hold you acciuntable Where is it then? Is the word in the forest or in the ocean? Does someone have the word hidden in the basement? If the bible is not the word of God where can it be found?
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.In hundreds of passages, the Bible declares or takes the position explicitly or implicitly that it is nothing less than the very Word of God. Some thirty-eight hundred times the Bible declares, “God said,” or “Thus says the Lord” (e.g. Ex. 14:1; 20:1; Lev. 4:1; Num. 4:1; Deut. 4:2; 32:48; Isa. 1:10, 24; Jer. 1:11; Ezek. 1:3; etc.). Paul also recognized that the things he was writing were the Lord’s commandments (1 Cor. 14:37), and they were acknowledged as such by the believers (1 Thess. 2:13). Peter proclaimed the certainty of the Scriptures and the necessity of heeding the unalterable and certain Word of God (2 Pet. 1:16-21). John too recognized that his teaching was from God; to reject his teaching was to reject God (1 John 4:6).17
Jesus is the Word anon! Why do you refuse to believe what the Bible tells you?
Are the lies in the old Testament (not all of of the OT, I'm not saying that) Gods Word? Do you charge God with lying? Yes I believe He wants it in there because while some of the words themselves don't tell the Truth, they lead you to the Truth, His real WORD.
Pray to God to show you the Truth, if it's His will, even if you're wrong. Have faith in HIM.
The first chapter of John's Gospel refers to Jesus as the Word. In verse 1 we read, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." In verse 14 we find, "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth." What is the meaning of these references to Jesus as the Word?
In Greek culture and philosophy, the "Word" or Logos (the Greek word translated "word") referred to the bridge between the transcendent and material universe. John used this concept of logos or "word" as a divine reference to introduce Jesus as divine.
If God verified Jesus' message by raising Him from the dead, then perhaps the chief issue concerns whether Jesus taught the inspiration of Scripture. And certainly the Gospels agree on a variety of fronts that Jesus had total confidence in the text of the Old Testament. Assuming the reliability of the texts, as we just mentioned, we are told that Jesus made many statements regarding the trustworthiness and even the inspiration of Scripture. An inductive examination of Jesus' teachings provides a clear indication of this. One of Jesus' strongest statements concerning the Old Testament Law was His affirmation that heaven and earth would pass away before even the smallest portion of a letter (Matt. 5:17-18). Jesus also taught that these fractions of letters would never fail (Luke 16:17). Further, after citing a particular text in Psalm 82:6, Jesus stated that Scripture could not be nullified (John 10:35). These comments are striking reminders regarding the extent to which Jesus thought Scripture spoke the truth.
Third, as the New Testament writers penned their words, they recognized that they were inspired. They claimed Jesus' twofold promise. The apostles' teachings were based on the foundation that Jesus provided (Eph. 2:20; 2 Pet. 3:2; Heb. 2:3-4). They believed their words were inspired (1 Peter l:12b). This is especially evident in Paul's epistles.10 They were convinced that the Holy Spirit empowered both their teaching and their writing.
If the Bible is truly God’s Word, then we should cherish it, study it, obey it, and fully trust it. If the Bible is the Word of God, then to dismiss it is to dismiss God Himself. The fact that God gave us the Bible is an evidence and illustration of His love for us. The term “revelation” simply means that God communicated to mankind what He is like and how we can have a right relationship with Him. These are things that we could not have known had God not divinely revealed them to us in the Bible. Although God’s revelation of Himself in the Bible was given progressively over approximately 1500 years, it has always contained everything man needs to know about God in order to have a right relationship with Him. If the Bible is truly the Word of God, then it is the final authority for all matters of faith, religious practice, and morals.
There are both internal and external evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word. The internal evidences are those things within the Bible that testify of its divine origin. One of the first internal evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word is seen in its unity. Even though it is really sixty-six individual books, written on three continents, in three different languages, over a period of approximately 1500 years, by more than 40 authors who came from many walks of life, the Bible remains one unified book from beginning to end without contradiction.
Another of the internal evidences that indicates the Bible is truly God’s Word is the prophecies contained within its pages. The Bible contains hundreds of detailed prophecies relating to the future of individual nations including Israel, certain cities, and mankind. Other prophecies concern the coming of One who would be the Messiah, the Savior of all who would believe in Him. Unlike the prophecies found in other religious books or those by men such as Nostradamus, biblical prophecies are extremely detailed. There are over three hundred prophecies concerning Jesus Christ in the Old Testament. Not only was it foretold where He would be born and His lineage, but also how He would die and that He would rise again. There simply is no logical way to explain the fulfilled prophecies in the Bible other than by divine origin. There is no other religious book with the extent or type of predictive prophecy that the Bible contains.
A third internal evidence of the divine origin of the Bible is its unique authority and power. While this evidence is more subjective than the first two, it is no less a powerful testimony of the divine origin of the Bible. The Bible’s authority is unlike any other book ever written. This authority and power are best seen in the way countless lives have been transformed by the supernatural power of God’s Word. Drug addicts have been cured by it, sexually impure are set free by it, derelicts and deadbeats transformed by it, hardened criminals reformed by it, sinners rebuked by it, and hate turned to love by it. The Bible does possess a dynamic and transforming power that is only possible because it is truly God’s Word.
In Greek culture and philosophy, the "Word" or Logos (the Greek word translated "word") referred to the bridge between the transcendent and material universe. John used this concept of logos or "word" as a divine reference to introduce Jesus as divine.
Seems like you're assuming John meant something other than what he said.
And certainly the Gospels agree on a variety of fronts that Jesus had total confidence in the text of the Old Testament
He had confidence in His understanding of the Truth. He corrected things written in the old testament. He is the Living Word, not the scriptures.
The Bible is very valid and it contains a ton of truth and prophecy, but not every single thing in the old testament is true. You're refusing to see the Truth of Jesus because you believe what's written in the Bible is not 100% true.
Think about it for a moment: The Creator of all that exists reveals himself to a small group of former Egyptian slaves in a remote corner of the globe. Not to kings and emperors, or to scholars in leading universities, but to shepherds, fishermen, tax collectors, refugees. Then to those far off like us God preserved His Word for all of us to read. Paul was convinced that “all Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16). He meant the Old Testament, which was the Bible of his day.
Peter, the leader of early Christianity, considered Paul’s writings to be Scripture as well: “[Paul] writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do to the other Scriptures, to their own destruction” (2 Peter 3:16, my emphasis).
Jesus believed his words to be divinely inspired: “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Luke 21:33).
Speaking of the totality of biblical revelation, the writer to the Hebrews claims, “The word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart” (Hebrews 4:12).
Someone said, “God said, I believe it, and that settles it.” His friend replied, “No, God said it and that settles it, whether I believe it or not.”
Now, let’s turn to objective evidence that the Bible is right in its self-description as God’s inspired, authoritative word. We begin with the manuscript evidence. No original manuscript of any ancient book exists today. The materials used in that era could not stand the effects of elements and time. For instance, we have only nine or ten good copies of Caesar’s Gallic Wars, none made earlier than nine hundred years after Caesar. Tacitus, the greatest ancient Roman historian, wrote fourteen books of his Histories; we possess only 4½, none made earlier than the tenth century AD. We can find only five manuscripts of any work of Aristotle, none copied earlier than fourteen centuries after Aristotle wrote the originals.
By contrast, we possess five thousand ancient Greek manuscripts of the New Testament and ten thousand copies in other ancient languages. Fragments and parts of these copies date back as early as thirty years after the originals were written. Complete versions of the Gospels, Acts, Paul’s letters, and Hebrews date to the early part of the third century. Revelation dates to the latter half of that century. Complete volumes date to the fourth century. Extensive quotations of Scripture in the letters of early Christians date to AD 100.
“Textual critics” are scholars who devote their attention to comparing ancient manuscripts and trying to produce a copy as close to the original as possible. Those who work with biblical texts believe that the Old and New Testaments we possess today are virtually identical to the originals. The only questions that remain affect matters of spelling, punctuation, and isolated verses. None relates to essential doctrines or practices of the faith.
Archaeological finds continue to give us confidence that the biblical writers accurately recorded history. For instance, the Pool of Bethesda (John 5:2) was once dismissed as non-historical. Now, tour guides in Jerusalem point groups to its location in the northeast quarter of the Old City. I’ve seen the ruins myself. We have a stone inscription documenting the life and office of Pontius Pilate; the ossuary (coffin) of Caiaphas, the High Priest of the crucifixion; an inscription found at Delphi that describes the work of Gallio, proconsul at Corinth (Acts 18:12-17); and scores of other artifacts that document the accuracy of biblical history and description.
What makes the Bible different from other holy books? In a word, Jesus. He taught that no one comes to the Father except through him (John 14:6). The Bible was written to help us believe in him and find life in his love (John 20:31). The sacred writings of the various world religions each tell a different story about the divine, the afterlife, and the purpose of life today. Different roads lead to different destinations. The road you choose determines where your trip will end.
Think about it for a moment: The Creator of all that exists reveals himself to a small group of former Egyptian slaves in a remote corner of the globe. Not to kings and emperors, or to scholars in leading universities, but to shepherds, fishermen, tax collectors, refugees.
No, and you think to about it for a lot longer than a moment. PRAY.
It's generally agreed Moses wrote the first 5 books right?
Ok, according to those books of the Bible which people keep claiming is infallible, Moses went up on a mountain for 40 days and 40 nights with God. (Side note- How long was Jesus tempted by Satan?).
According to the Bible, when Moses was on the mountain the first time, the Israelite's made a golden calf idol. God told Moses to leave so he could destroy the guilty people. Moses told God not to destroy them but to forgive them. God relented. Then Moses came down the mountain, got mad, broke the ten commandment tablets God had made and killed a bunch of people except his brother that actually made the golden calf. He passed judgement that God did not pass but said God said to do it. He spoke for God but lied. He killed people but spared the guilty person, his brother. All according to his own writings in the Bible.
According to the Bible, Moses asked to see Gods face, but God told him no human can see my face and live. Later he wrote he knew God face to face.
After breaking the tablets and killing people he goes back up the mountain for another 40 days and 40 nights, tells God to forgive the people but if He wont then blot his name out of His book. (you know the book of life). God says he will punish who sinned against him when the proper time comes. Uh oh.
Moses came down again and introduced a ransom all the Israelite's have to pay for their lives.
When the Israelite's are grumbling because there's no water, God tells Moses to strike the rock to get water and he does it. When it happens again, God tells Moses not to strike the rock this time, but to talk to the rock instead. Moses strikes the rock again instead and 12 springs of water spring forth.
According to the Bible, who is the Rock that gives Living water? He was struck and 12 springs came forth. Jesus.
God gets mad at Moses for striking the rock, saying because Moses didn't uphold Him as holy he is not allowed to enter the promised land.
Later Moses writes that God banned him because of the Israelite's, he blames them rather than accepting responsibility for his own actions. The story changes and he wrote both.
Moses introduced the LAW (written word) that condemns to death. They considered it 100% law as written, black and white, you couldn't even carry a mat on the sabbath. Moses sinned against God but blamed everyone but himself. He introduced a ransom the Israelite's had to pay for their lives.
Jesus introduced Grace and everlasting Life. He is the Living Word. He came in the flesh and fulfilled the written word that condemns to death so that we may have Life. He was without sin but took our sin upon himself and paid the ransom for us. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. All those who came before Him are robbers and thief's. Jesus is the Good Shepard. The Good Shepard cares for the sheep because they are His. The hired hand doesn't care for the sheep because they are not his sheep. When wolves come the hired hand runs away.
Then to those far off like us God preserved His Word for all of us to read.
Yeah, Jesus. Jesus is the Living Word, He is Truth. He has authority to take up His life again.
Paul was convinced that “all Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16). He meant the Old Testament, which was the Bible of his day.
Yeah all scripture, not only some scripture some people decided to include in a single book with pages of wood they worship as an idol much later after Paul wrote that. The old testament doesn't include scriptures the bible refers to as scriptures. Think about that.
While the writings of Moses may not all be true as written, they're definitely useful to understanding the Truth in the Bible.
Peter, the leader of early Christianity, considered Paul’s writings to be Scripture as well: “[Paul] writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do to the other Scriptures, to their own destruction” (2 Peter 3:16, my emphasis).
I don't deny Paul.
Side note, Who is the Rock in the Bible again? Who did the old Testamant say would build the house for the Lord?
"Your name is Peter, and on THIS rock I build my church. So the Rock said "on THIS rock I build my church."? Interesting huh?
"3 times before the rooster crows you will deny me.
"Remember, to the Lord a day is as a thousand years."
"The first will be last, and the last will be first."
Jesus believed his words to be divinely inspired: “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Luke 21:33).
Jesus is the Living Word of God. He is Truth.
Now, let’s turn to objective evidence that the Bible is right in its self-description as God’s inspired, authoritative word. We begin with the manuscript evidence. No original manuscript of any ancient book exists today. The materials used in that era could not stand the effects of elements and time. For instance, we have only nine or ten good copies of Caesar’s Gallic Wars, none made earlier than nine hundred years after Caesar. Tacitus, the greatest ancient Roman historian, wrote fourteen books of his Histories; we possess only 4½, none made earlier than the tenth century AD. We can find only five manuscripts of any work of Aristotle, none copied earlier than fourteen centuries after Aristotle wrote the originals.
Yes let's turn to evidence. Has the creation story Moses gave been proven by science? If SOME of the old testament is not true, but the new testament is absolutely true, do you not make people stumble by insisting they must believe everything in the old testament along with the new testament?
Jesus is the Way, the TRUTH and the Life. He is the ONLY Way to the Father.
Pray to God to reveal the Truth to you. Don't take my word for it. Pray to Him to show you the Truth and be willing to hear His answer. God Bless.
Who is the Rock in the Bible again? Jesus Christ is the rock! The Catholics would like everyone to believe that Peter is the rock. Much like satan convinced Eve first to eat from the tree he used God's words with a twist. but about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You must not eat of it or touch it, or you will die.’” 4“You will not surely die,” the serpent told her. They too twist this passage for their gain and cause others to fall victim like Adam and Eve.
"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. In any translation it always comes out the same. What rock? What did Peter say when asked? "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." God's entire plan of salvation from the moment Adam and Eve sinned was based on the Messiah, the Son of the living God! That is the rock! 17 times in the OLD and New Testament Jesus Christ was referred to as the rock. 1 Peter 2:6
For this is contained in Scripture: "BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A CHOICE STONE, A PRECIOUS CORNER stone, AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."
Peters confession as to whom Jesus is the rock. Everything about Christianity is based on that truth. "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God."
Various Aramaic fragments found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, as well as Koine Greek and Latin fragments were proof that The Book of Enoch was known by early Jews and Christians. This book was also quoted by some 1st and 2nd century authors as in the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs. Authors of the New Testament were also familiar with some content of the story.[5] A short section of 1 Enoch (1:9) is cited in the New Testament, Epistle of Jude, Jude 1:14–15, and is attributed there to "Enoch the Seventh from Adam" (1 En 60:8), although this section of 1 Enoch is a midrash on Deuteronomy 33:2. Several copies of the earlier sections of 1 Enoch were preserved among the Dead Sea Scrolls.[3]
You are missing the point entirely. I am not discounting the fact there are over 100 passages that reference Enoch throughout the bible. I whole heartly disagree with the notion it was not included for nefarious reasons because of what it contains. Nobody took it out when it never was in. There are lots of writings that were known that never made it in the bible. Some were quoted by Paul and some of the other writers of the New Testament. Some from reading and others that were preserved in passing the message down verbally.
There was also a group of writings from Christians. These were writers of the second and third generations, people who did not know Jesus or Paul personally but whose writings made a difference in the life of the church. Here’s how that happened. Fairly early, church leaders began to recognize differences in the books. Some books, such as the Gospels and Paul’s letters, were to be read in church as part of the worship service. Others were good books but were reserved for private reading at home, much as we read books of theology or devotional material today. Most of the writings fell into this second category. Much as we might enjoy reading Clement or Barnabas, for example, they are not a part of the cannon.
Which get to the bible in its entirety. Princes, philosophers, prelates, politicians and poets have all conspired against it. It has been insulted by the scorn of fools. It has become the jest of infidels and the joke of sceptics. It has been assailed consistently and persistently by professed scholars and has been made the butt of the critic. Assaulted by every known plan of hell, it has come forth unscathed from the inferno. Like the three Hebrew children it has been in the fire and like them it has been wonderfully preserved and there is not a smell of burning upon it.
The cunning of hell and the craft of earth have combined against the Bible but it stands unmoved, for it is as the impregnable rock of Holy Scripture. The Bible consists of sixty-six books written by some forty different authors over a period of a millennium-and-a-half (1,500 years). The first writer, Moses, died about 1450 years before the last writer, John, was born. Yet none of these writers ever denounced, criticized or condemned any inspired teaching in the books of the others. Their historical position was diverse, but their spiritual position was one and the same. Such a diversity creating such a unanimity must of necessity strike the candid reader of Holy Scripture with profound wonder, and surely underlines the unimpeachable conclusion that One Divine Mind was behind this One Book.
Had God wanted Enoch included it would have been included. Simple as that.
The book of Jude quotes 1 Enoch word-for-word AND ascribes it to Enoch. It was most certainly known and read before the compilation of the existing cannon.
You are incorrect sir... The book of Enoch was referred to by Jesus. He made several statements, that unless you knew the book of Enoch it would have no meaning. So this tells us, it was part of Gods word in his time. It is ALSO WHY it was found in the Dead Sea scrolls. The vatican had their hand in which texts got into the Canon right??? Ding DING DING!
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20594697? ago
Nobody removed the book of Enoch from the bible. It is not included in the Bible we have today, but there's a good reason for that. It was completely unknown prior to the KJV Bible and all of the pre-KJV translations and collections of scripture, so there could be no way for it to have been included in the Bible we have today. The book of Enoch was first discovered in Africa (Ethiopia) in the mid 1700's. So your title is unfounded and a lie on its face.
20594872? ago
Just because it's claimed to have been lost in all but Ethiopia doesn't mean it was unknown elsewhere previously.
Mathew 22:23-32
Where is this scripture Jesus referred to here?
Jude 1:14
Where is this prophesy, other than this reference to it in Jude?
Jesus is the Way, the TRUTH and the Life. If you're not seeking Truth, you're not seeking HIM, the ONLY Way to everlasting Life.
20598922? ago
You are missing the point entirely. I am not discounting the fact there are over 100 passages that reference Enoch throughout the bible. I have read the book of Enoch and I do however disagree with the notion it was not included for nefarious reasons because of what it contains. Nobody took it out when it never was in. There are lots of writings that were known that never made it in the bible. Some were quoted by Paul and some of the other writers of the New Testament. Some from reading and others that were preserved in passing the message down verbally.
There was also a group of writings from Christians. These were writers of the second and third generations, people who did not know Jesus or Paul personally but whose writings made a difference in the life of the church. Here’s how that happened. Fairly early, church leaders began to recognize differences in the books. Some books, such as the Gospels and Paul’s letters, were to be read in church as part of the worship service. Others were good books but were reserved for private reading at home, much as we read books of theology or devotional material today. Most of the writings fell into this second category. Much as we might enjoy reading Clement or Barnabas, for example, they are not a part of the canon.
Which get to the bible in its entirety. Princes, philosophers, prelates, politicians and poets have all conspired against it. It has been insulted by the scorn of fools. It has become the jest of infidels and the joke of sceptics. It has been assailed consistently and persistently by professed scholars and has been made the butt of the critic. Assaulted by every known plan of hell, it has come forth unscathed from the inferno. Like the three Hebrew children it has been in the fire and like them it has been wonderfully preserved and there is not a smell of burning upon it.
The cunning of hell and the craft of earth have combined against the Bible but it stands unmoved, for it is as the impregnable rock of Holy Scripture. The Bible consists of sixty-six books written by some forty different authors over a period of a millennium-and-a-half (1,500 years). The first writer, Moses, died about 1450 years before the last writer, John, was born. Yet none of these writers ever denounced, criticized or condemned any inspired teaching in the books of the others. Their historical position was diverse, but their spiritual position was one and the same. Such a diversity creating such a unanimity must of necessity strike the candid reader of Holy Scripture with profound wonder, and surely underlines the unimpeachable conclusion that One Divine Mind was behind this One Book.
Had God wanted Enoch included it would have been included. Simple as that.
20599126? ago
2 Samuel 24 tells the story of David counting the fighting men. So does 1 Chronicles 21. They're both talking about the same incident.
2 Samuel 24:1
1 Chronicles 21.
If the Bible is infallible, do you believe God and Satan are the same?
20601176? ago
In your glee, to try to point out a contradiction you failed to read other passages that are relevant to this story. It parallels the story of Job 1. God allowed Job to be tempted by Satan. You can also read James 1:13 which says, “When tempted, no one should say, God is tempting me.? For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed?” So, on the one hand, the Bible says that God does not tempt anyone, yet on the other hand, from Job 1 we know that God will allow Satan to tempt us, and James 1 adds that even when we are tempted by Satan, it is ultimately our own evil desires which must combine with Satan?s work of tempting in order to bring about evil behavior. I believe that taking these passages together yields a balanced theology of temptation and sin. Actually, this is just a further working out of Genesis chapter three and the fall of mankind. In Genesis three, God allowed the temptation to be in place, Satan did the tempting, but it was the ultimate responsibility of Adam and Eve for their giving in to temptation.
Now, let me get to the issue of whether God incited or Satan incited David. I will have to concede that at first blush this appears to be a blatant contradiction. Nevertheless, there is a unity in these passages, in view of what I already stated above. 1 Chronicles 21:1 says that Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel. 2 Samuel 24:1 says that, “the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, Go and take a census of Israel and Judah.?” Here is how I see these passages working together.
I believe that God allows us to be tested by evil so that our hearts may be revealed and so that we may come to humility and repentance and turn toward him. God allows Satan to tempt us toward evil, but it is ultimately our own evil, working with the temptation, which leads toward evil. This is exactly what happened with David. His heart had become hardened and prideful. In order to reveal his sinful heart, God allowed Satan to incite David to do the evil which was more or less already in his heart. So, who incited? Satan incited David, but it is not inaccurate to say that God, in a sense incited David.
David freely chose to give into this temptation, and that God allowed it all to come about because he was sovereign over the entire situation. The difference in the two passages, though, brings out a different emphasis in both. While in the Chronicles passage the idea is that David had gone so low as to succumb to the temptation of the devil, in the Samuel passage, the main idea is that God did not abandon Israel nor was God’s sovereignty ever in question. Given the themes of both books this makes sense. Chronicles seems heavily “David focused” and Samuel seems heavily focused on the relationship of God to the rulers of Israel.
The net result of God?s allowing and Satan?s inciting David toward sin? Repentance.
20602999? ago
You completely miss the point.
20599036? ago
Anon you're worshiping the Bible as an Idol. Jesus is the Rock, He is the Word. The Bible contains some of the Word but not all of it, and some of it is not the Word of God. You think if God wanted it included he would have, what makes you think He wanted all of it in one book? You're locking God in a box that is the Bible. That's the entire point and what you're missing IN the Bible.
Don't take my word for it. PRAY for God to show you the Truth.
PRAY.
God Bless.
20601494? ago
"The Bible contains some of the Word but not all of it” Does this mean, I can say that I have new words from God and require you to give me all your money? Does it mean I can declare some inconvenient sins no longer a sin? Is that the reason we have over 33,000 different denominations with each following creed books instead of the bible? Can I practice polygamy, child brides and kill off any dissenter and be free from sin? God forbid!
How do you reconcile that with Jude 3, 2 Peter 1:3 Galatians 1:6-9 2 Timothy 3:16-17 Matthew 15:3-9 Revelation 22:18-19?
20602977? ago
No It doesn't mean that and that's a ridiculous argument.
Jude 3
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Are you confusing Faith with scripture?
2 Peter 1:3
What about it? You think this means the Bible is all you need?
2 Peter 1:3
Gospel is not the same thing as scripture. Gospel is the teaching, not necessarily only from scripture, while scripture is the writings. You can have the scriptures but not understand the gospel. The first four books of the New Testament are also called the Gospels.
What makes you think the gospel (teachings, not 4 books) you've been taught is not the perverted gospel? Beware the yeast of the pharisees.
Timothy 3:16-17
Yes all scripture, it doesn't just say the scripture some men decided to put in the Bible or even a single translation does it? Did I say anything shouldn't be in the Bible or is not useful? It's in there for a reason, but you are in error assuming it's all in there and that everything in there is the Word (Truth).
Matthew 15:3-9
How does this go against what I said? You keep confusing the Bible for the Word. The Bible contains some of the Word, not all of it. This supports what I said.
Revelation 22:18-19
This is about the scroll of Revelation, not the entire Bible. This is a great example of the perversion of what you've been taught. It's stated plainly but you don't see it.
20605682? ago
You keep confusing the Bible for the Word. If the bible is not the word of God where is it? Do you have it hidden in your basement? Is it in the bottom of the ocean or the middle of the forest? Not silly questions at all. The Bible is the Word of God! The ever present assumption of the writers of the Bible is that the Bible is the God-breathed Word of God. A good illustration is seen in Psalm 19:7-11 which not only declares the Bible to be the Word of God, but identifies six perfections with corresponding transformations of human character that the Bible will produce in those who study and apply it in faith.
It is apparent that many of the writers did not know of the other writers of Scripture and were unfamiliar with the other writings, inasmuch as the writers wrote over a period of more than fifteen hundred years, yet the Bible is a marvelous, unified whole. There are no contradictions or inconsistencies within its pages. The Holy Spirit is the unifier of the sixty-six books, determining its harmonious consistency. In unity these books teach the triunity of God, the deity of Jesus Christ, the personality of the Holy Spirit, the fall and depravity of man, as well as salvation by grace. It quickly becomes apparent that no human being(s) could have orchestrated the harmony of the teachings of the Scripture. The divine authorship of the Bible is the only answer.
Speaking of the Bible as “a phenomenon which is explainable in but one way—it is the word of God,” Accordingly, the Bible may be regarded as completing the intended divine revelation of God partially revealed in nature, more fully revealed in Christ, and completely revealed in the written Word.
That is your mistake for believing that the bible does not contain the words from God that He wants you to know. Every single word in the bible is God's Word. The Bible contains all of the words we have from God. If it resides someplace else where is it. Is God going to hold you acciuntable Where is it then? Is the word in the forest or in the ocean? Does someone have the word hidden in the basement? If the bible is not the word of God where can it be found?
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.In hundreds of passages, the Bible declares or takes the position explicitly or implicitly that it is nothing less than the very Word of God. Some thirty-eight hundred times the Bible declares, “God said,” or “Thus says the Lord” (e.g. Ex. 14:1; 20:1; Lev. 4:1; Num. 4:1; Deut. 4:2; 32:48; Isa. 1:10, 24; Jer. 1:11; Ezek. 1:3; etc.). Paul also recognized that the things he was writing were the Lord’s commandments (1 Cor. 14:37), and they were acknowledged as such by the believers (1 Thess. 2:13). Peter proclaimed the certainty of the Scriptures and the necessity of heeding the unalterable and certain Word of God (2 Pet. 1:16-21). John too recognized that his teaching was from God; to reject his teaching was to reject God (1 John 4:6).17
20606006? ago
Jesus is the Word anon! Why do you refuse to believe what the Bible tells you?
Are the lies in the old Testament (not all of of the OT, I'm not saying that) Gods Word? Do you charge God with lying? Yes I believe He wants it in there because while some of the words themselves don't tell the Truth, they lead you to the Truth, His real WORD.
Pray to God to show you the Truth, if it's His will, even if you're wrong. Have faith in HIM.
20606224? ago
The first chapter of John's Gospel refers to Jesus as the Word. In verse 1 we read, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." In verse 14 we find, "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth." What is the meaning of these references to Jesus as the Word?
In Greek culture and philosophy, the "Word" or Logos (the Greek word translated "word") referred to the bridge between the transcendent and material universe. John used this concept of logos or "word" as a divine reference to introduce Jesus as divine.
If God verified Jesus' message by raising Him from the dead, then perhaps the chief issue concerns whether Jesus taught the inspiration of Scripture. And certainly the Gospels agree on a variety of fronts that Jesus had total confidence in the text of the Old Testament. Assuming the reliability of the texts, as we just mentioned, we are told that Jesus made many statements regarding the trustworthiness and even the inspiration of Scripture. An inductive examination of Jesus' teachings provides a clear indication of this. One of Jesus' strongest statements concerning the Old Testament Law was His affirmation that heaven and earth would pass away before even the smallest portion of a letter (Matt. 5:17-18). Jesus also taught that these fractions of letters would never fail (Luke 16:17). Further, after citing a particular text in Psalm 82:6, Jesus stated that Scripture could not be nullified (John 10:35). These comments are striking reminders regarding the extent to which Jesus thought Scripture spoke the truth.
Third, as the New Testament writers penned their words, they recognized that they were inspired. They claimed Jesus' twofold promise. The apostles' teachings were based on the foundation that Jesus provided (Eph. 2:20; 2 Pet. 3:2; Heb. 2:3-4). They believed their words were inspired (1 Peter l:12b). This is especially evident in Paul's epistles.10 They were convinced that the Holy Spirit empowered both their teaching and their writing.
If the Bible is truly God’s Word, then we should cherish it, study it, obey it, and fully trust it. If the Bible is the Word of God, then to dismiss it is to dismiss God Himself. The fact that God gave us the Bible is an evidence and illustration of His love for us. The term “revelation” simply means that God communicated to mankind what He is like and how we can have a right relationship with Him. These are things that we could not have known had God not divinely revealed them to us in the Bible. Although God’s revelation of Himself in the Bible was given progressively over approximately 1500 years, it has always contained everything man needs to know about God in order to have a right relationship with Him. If the Bible is truly the Word of God, then it is the final authority for all matters of faith, religious practice, and morals.
There are both internal and external evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word. The internal evidences are those things within the Bible that testify of its divine origin. One of the first internal evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word is seen in its unity. Even though it is really sixty-six individual books, written on three continents, in three different languages, over a period of approximately 1500 years, by more than 40 authors who came from many walks of life, the Bible remains one unified book from beginning to end without contradiction.
Another of the internal evidences that indicates the Bible is truly God’s Word is the prophecies contained within its pages. The Bible contains hundreds of detailed prophecies relating to the future of individual nations including Israel, certain cities, and mankind. Other prophecies concern the coming of One who would be the Messiah, the Savior of all who would believe in Him. Unlike the prophecies found in other religious books or those by men such as Nostradamus, biblical prophecies are extremely detailed. There are over three hundred prophecies concerning Jesus Christ in the Old Testament. Not only was it foretold where He would be born and His lineage, but also how He would die and that He would rise again. There simply is no logical way to explain the fulfilled prophecies in the Bible other than by divine origin. There is no other religious book with the extent or type of predictive prophecy that the Bible contains.
A third internal evidence of the divine origin of the Bible is its unique authority and power. While this evidence is more subjective than the first two, it is no less a powerful testimony of the divine origin of the Bible. The Bible’s authority is unlike any other book ever written. This authority and power are best seen in the way countless lives have been transformed by the supernatural power of God’s Word. Drug addicts have been cured by it, sexually impure are set free by it, derelicts and deadbeats transformed by it, hardened criminals reformed by it, sinners rebuked by it, and hate turned to love by it. The Bible does possess a dynamic and transforming power that is only possible because it is truly God’s Word.
20606323? ago
Seems like you're assuming John meant something other than what he said.
He had confidence in His understanding of the Truth. He corrected things written in the old testament. He is the Living Word, not the scriptures.
The Bible is very valid and it contains a ton of truth and prophecy, but not every single thing in the old testament is true. You're refusing to see the Truth of Jesus because you believe what's written in the Bible is not 100% true.
Jesus is the Way, the TRUTH, and the Life.
20613352? ago
Think about it for a moment: The Creator of all that exists reveals himself to a small group of former Egyptian slaves in a remote corner of the globe. Not to kings and emperors, or to scholars in leading universities, but to shepherds, fishermen, tax collectors, refugees. Then to those far off like us God preserved His Word for all of us to read. Paul was convinced that “all Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16). He meant the Old Testament, which was the Bible of his day.
Peter, the leader of early Christianity, considered Paul’s writings to be Scripture as well: “[Paul] writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do to the other Scriptures, to their own destruction” (2 Peter 3:16, my emphasis).
Jesus believed his words to be divinely inspired: “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Luke 21:33).
Speaking of the totality of biblical revelation, the writer to the Hebrews claims, “The word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart” (Hebrews 4:12).
Someone said, “God said, I believe it, and that settles it.” His friend replied, “No, God said it and that settles it, whether I believe it or not.”
Now, let’s turn to objective evidence that the Bible is right in its self-description as God’s inspired, authoritative word. We begin with the manuscript evidence. No original manuscript of any ancient book exists today. The materials used in that era could not stand the effects of elements and time. For instance, we have only nine or ten good copies of Caesar’s Gallic Wars, none made earlier than nine hundred years after Caesar. Tacitus, the greatest ancient Roman historian, wrote fourteen books of his Histories; we possess only 4½, none made earlier than the tenth century AD. We can find only five manuscripts of any work of Aristotle, none copied earlier than fourteen centuries after Aristotle wrote the originals.
By contrast, we possess five thousand ancient Greek manuscripts of the New Testament and ten thousand copies in other ancient languages. Fragments and parts of these copies date back as early as thirty years after the originals were written. Complete versions of the Gospels, Acts, Paul’s letters, and Hebrews date to the early part of the third century. Revelation dates to the latter half of that century. Complete volumes date to the fourth century. Extensive quotations of Scripture in the letters of early Christians date to AD 100.
“Textual critics” are scholars who devote their attention to comparing ancient manuscripts and trying to produce a copy as close to the original as possible. Those who work with biblical texts believe that the Old and New Testaments we possess today are virtually identical to the originals. The only questions that remain affect matters of spelling, punctuation, and isolated verses. None relates to essential doctrines or practices of the faith.
Archaeological finds continue to give us confidence that the biblical writers accurately recorded history. For instance, the Pool of Bethesda (John 5:2) was once dismissed as non-historical. Now, tour guides in Jerusalem point groups to its location in the northeast quarter of the Old City. I’ve seen the ruins myself. We have a stone inscription documenting the life and office of Pontius Pilate; the ossuary (coffin) of Caiaphas, the High Priest of the crucifixion; an inscription found at Delphi that describes the work of Gallio, proconsul at Corinth (Acts 18:12-17); and scores of other artifacts that document the accuracy of biblical history and description.
What makes the Bible different from other holy books? In a word, Jesus. He taught that no one comes to the Father except through him (John 14:6). The Bible was written to help us believe in him and find life in his love (John 20:31). The sacred writings of the various world religions each tell a different story about the divine, the afterlife, and the purpose of life today. Different roads lead to different destinations. The road you choose determines where your trip will end.
Choose wisely.
20615311? ago
No, and you think to about it for a lot longer than a moment. PRAY.
It's generally agreed Moses wrote the first 5 books right?
Ok, according to those books of the Bible which people keep claiming is infallible, Moses went up on a mountain for 40 days and 40 nights with God. (Side note- How long was Jesus tempted by Satan?).
According to the Bible, when Moses was on the mountain the first time, the Israelite's made a golden calf idol. God told Moses to leave so he could destroy the guilty people. Moses told God not to destroy them but to forgive them. God relented. Then Moses came down the mountain, got mad, broke the ten commandment tablets God had made and killed a bunch of people except his brother that actually made the golden calf. He passed judgement that God did not pass but said God said to do it. He spoke for God but lied. He killed people but spared the guilty person, his brother. All according to his own writings in the Bible.
According to the Bible, Moses asked to see Gods face, but God told him no human can see my face and live. Later he wrote he knew God face to face.
After breaking the tablets and killing people he goes back up the mountain for another 40 days and 40 nights, tells God to forgive the people but if He wont then blot his name out of His book. (you know the book of life). God says he will punish who sinned against him when the proper time comes. Uh oh.
Moses came down again and introduced a ransom all the Israelite's have to pay for their lives.
When the Israelite's are grumbling because there's no water, God tells Moses to strike the rock to get water and he does it. When it happens again, God tells Moses not to strike the rock this time, but to talk to the rock instead. Moses strikes the rock again instead and 12 springs of water spring forth.
According to the Bible, who is the Rock that gives Living water? He was struck and 12 springs came forth. Jesus.
God gets mad at Moses for striking the rock, saying because Moses didn't uphold Him as holy he is not allowed to enter the promised land.
Later Moses writes that God banned him because of the Israelite's, he blames them rather than accepting responsibility for his own actions. The story changes and he wrote both.
Moses introduced the LAW (written word) that condemns to death. They considered it 100% law as written, black and white, you couldn't even carry a mat on the sabbath. Moses sinned against God but blamed everyone but himself. He introduced a ransom the Israelite's had to pay for their lives.
Jesus introduced Grace and everlasting Life. He is the Living Word. He came in the flesh and fulfilled the written word that condemns to death so that we may have Life. He was without sin but took our sin upon himself and paid the ransom for us. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. All those who came before Him are robbers and thief's. Jesus is the Good Shepard. The Good Shepard cares for the sheep because they are His. The hired hand doesn't care for the sheep because they are not his sheep. When wolves come the hired hand runs away.
Yeah, Jesus. Jesus is the Living Word, He is Truth. He has authority to take up His life again.
Yeah all scripture, not only some scripture some people decided to include in a single book with pages of wood they worship as an idol much later after Paul wrote that. The old testament doesn't include scriptures the bible refers to as scriptures. Think about that.
While the writings of Moses may not all be true as written, they're definitely useful to understanding the Truth in the Bible.
I don't deny Paul.
Side note, Who is the Rock in the Bible again? Who did the old Testamant say would build the house for the Lord?
"Your name is Peter, and on THIS rock I build my church. So the Rock said "on THIS rock I build my church."? Interesting huh?
"3 times before the rooster crows you will deny me.
"Remember, to the Lord a day is as a thousand years."
"The first will be last, and the last will be first."
Jesus is the Living Word of God. He is Truth.
Yes let's turn to evidence. Has the creation story Moses gave been proven by science? If SOME of the old testament is not true, but the new testament is absolutely true, do you not make people stumble by insisting they must believe everything in the old testament along with the new testament?
Jesus is the Way, the TRUTH and the Life. He is the ONLY Way to the Father.
Pray to God to reveal the Truth to you. Don't take my word for it. Pray to Him to show you the Truth and be willing to hear His answer. God Bless.
20618170? ago
"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. In any translation it always comes out the same. What rock? What did Peter say when asked? "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." God's entire plan of salvation from the moment Adam and Eve sinned was based on the Messiah, the Son of the living God! That is the rock! 17 times in the OLD and New Testament Jesus Christ was referred to as the rock. 1 Peter 2:6
For this is contained in Scripture: "BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A CHOICE STONE, A PRECIOUS CORNER stone, AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."
Peters confession as to whom Jesus is the rock. Everything about Christianity is based on that truth. "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God."
20618290? ago
Yep. Jesus is the Rock but Catholics want you to believe it was Peter, because they claim the authority of Jesus.
20620423? ago
I thought you were tryijg to hide you were Catholic and hiding the fact like someone selling Amway.
20621562? ago
lol No.
I'm non denominational Christian.
20625314? ago
Same here!
20594858? ago
This is an odd assertion given that it is quoted by jesus and referenced in the NT.
20595345? ago
It is also referenced in Genesis.
20594828? ago
Various Aramaic fragments found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, as well as Koine Greek and Latin fragments were proof that The Book of Enoch was known by early Jews and Christians. This book was also quoted by some 1st and 2nd century authors as in the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs. Authors of the New Testament were also familiar with some content of the story.[5] A short section of 1 Enoch (1:9) is cited in the New Testament, Epistle of Jude, Jude 1:14–15, and is attributed there to "Enoch the Seventh from Adam" (1 En 60:8), although this section of 1 Enoch is a midrash on Deuteronomy 33:2. Several copies of the earlier sections of 1 Enoch were preserved among the Dead Sea Scrolls.[3]
20597130? ago
You are missing the point entirely. I am not discounting the fact there are over 100 passages that reference Enoch throughout the bible. I whole heartly disagree with the notion it was not included for nefarious reasons because of what it contains. Nobody took it out when it never was in. There are lots of writings that were known that never made it in the bible. Some were quoted by Paul and some of the other writers of the New Testament. Some from reading and others that were preserved in passing the message down verbally.
There was also a group of writings from Christians. These were writers of the second and third generations, people who did not know Jesus or Paul personally but whose writings made a difference in the life of the church. Here’s how that happened. Fairly early, church leaders began to recognize differences in the books. Some books, such as the Gospels and Paul’s letters, were to be read in church as part of the worship service. Others were good books but were reserved for private reading at home, much as we read books of theology or devotional material today. Most of the writings fell into this second category. Much as we might enjoy reading Clement or Barnabas, for example, they are not a part of the cannon.
Which get to the bible in its entirety. Princes, philosophers, prelates, politicians and poets have all conspired against it. It has been insulted by the scorn of fools. It has become the jest of infidels and the joke of sceptics. It has been assailed consistently and persistently by professed scholars and has been made the butt of the critic. Assaulted by every known plan of hell, it has come forth unscathed from the inferno. Like the three Hebrew children it has been in the fire and like them it has been wonderfully preserved and there is not a smell of burning upon it.
The cunning of hell and the craft of earth have combined against the Bible but it stands unmoved, for it is as the impregnable rock of Holy Scripture. The Bible consists of sixty-six books written by some forty different authors over a period of a millennium-and-a-half (1,500 years). The first writer, Moses, died about 1450 years before the last writer, John, was born. Yet none of these writers ever denounced, criticized or condemned any inspired teaching in the books of the others. Their historical position was diverse, but their spiritual position was one and the same. Such a diversity creating such a unanimity must of necessity strike the candid reader of Holy Scripture with profound wonder, and surely underlines the unimpeachable conclusion that One Divine Mind was behind this One Book.
Had God wanted Enoch included it would have been included. Simple as that.
20594785? ago
The book of Jude quotes 1 Enoch word-for-word AND ascribes it to Enoch. It was most certainly known and read before the compilation of the existing cannon.
20594751? ago
You are incorrect sir... The book of Enoch was referred to by Jesus. He made several statements, that unless you knew the book of Enoch it would have no meaning. So this tells us, it was part of Gods word in his time. It is ALSO WHY it was found in the Dead Sea scrolls. The vatican had their hand in which texts got into the Canon right??? Ding DING DING!
20594882? ago
Vatican didnt decide the cannon, the first council of nicea did.