Exactly. Why would Jude quote a book that was heretical to be forever included in God's word? The Lord is OK with pointing to a message that was somehow NOT in alignment with the gospel message?
No, but i would not be quoting a heretical book in writing that is impressed upon me by the Holy Spirit to write, either. God would not muddy the truth this way by not only including a quote from a book of disinformation, but then also calling it a prophecy. That would be God lying and He doesn't lie.
By that reasoning every book today, in the library, that's not in the Bible is heretical!
Imagine having a science fiction book. But three chapters in the story stop and you find a whole chapter dedicated to the mechanical upkeep of ancient, fossil fuel based vehicles and them the story picks back up in chapter 4.
Enoch does not fit in with the Bible's narrative of the gospel message. If it was heretical it wouldn't have even been quoted. It is however extrabiblical
it would be heretical if not truly God breathed scripture because it claims to be. Enoch describes visions of the coming of Jesus and the end times. Either its real and true prophecy or it's the work of a false prophet. Jude quoting it means that either he was quoting true scripture in a book that would become part of the Bible...or he was quoting the work of a false prophet and Jude doesn't belong in the bible either.
What makes you think 1Enoch does not fit in with the Bible's gospel narrative? It most certainly does. It's actually the most pointed example of proof of Jesus being the messiah that was promised. Even more so than well known prophecies in Isaiah. I'm not sure at all why you think there is any contradiction. It is entirely within the scope of the bible.
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20596158? ago
It is not canonical because it does not fit in with the other gospels. Not that it isn't true. It simply does not fit the gospel narrative.
Not everything is because of "them". There was good people before "them".
20600017? ago
Jude quoted it.
20600461? ago
So what? The quote is within a book that aligns with the gospel message.
20604766? ago
Exactly. Why would Jude quote a book that was heretical to be forever included in God's word? The Lord is OK with pointing to a message that was somehow NOT in alignment with the gospel message?
20608811? ago
Right. It was cited. A few lines were cited. You don't include the whole book when you cite an author do you?
20609291? ago
No, but i would not be quoting a heretical book in writing that is impressed upon me by the Holy Spirit to write, either. God would not muddy the truth this way by not only including a quote from a book of disinformation, but then also calling it a prophecy. That would be God lying and He doesn't lie.
20612252? ago
Heretical? Who ever said it was heretical?
By that reasoning every book today, in the library, that's not in the Bible is heretical!
Imagine having a science fiction book. But three chapters in the story stop and you find a whole chapter dedicated to the mechanical upkeep of ancient, fossil fuel based vehicles and them the story picks back up in chapter 4.
Enoch does not fit in with the Bible's narrative of the gospel message. If it was heretical it wouldn't have even been quoted. It is however extrabiblical
Meaning it is outside of the scope of the Bible.
20615676? ago
it would be heretical if not truly God breathed scripture because it claims to be. Enoch describes visions of the coming of Jesus and the end times. Either its real and true prophecy or it's the work of a false prophet. Jude quoting it means that either he was quoting true scripture in a book that would become part of the Bible...or he was quoting the work of a false prophet and Jude doesn't belong in the bible either.
What makes you think 1Enoch does not fit in with the Bible's gospel narrative? It most certainly does. It's actually the most pointed example of proof of Jesus being the messiah that was promised. Even more so than well known prophecies in Isaiah. I'm not sure at all why you think there is any contradiction. It is entirely within the scope of the bible.