Most likely you've clicked on a link that is here because of @thewebofslime, and you are now part of databases he taps to find you and others on this site.
This is someone who has claimed that his cousin is a professor in computer science and that his cousin's father is a lawyer. He has claimed to getting help from them. Yet, he doesn't understand some of the subjects listed below.
If he is not full of shit, it would mean that he is actively tracking Voat users' IRL identities, using multitude of large databases. He seems to have a personal beef with @Vindicator, and likely all of /pizzagate as well.
If he's just LARPing, well, he might just be @hojuruku.
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virge ago
@thewebofslime, a line of inquiry:
How? I asked you this question once and you never responded. These aren't just public, you can't go to their site and get the database. That's valuable data, worth money on various open markets. How did you obtain it?
Please clarify the involvement and assessment of CACI. Is CACI a NGO, or just a CIA front? It smells about as legitimate as USAID. Of course, I could be wrong. Just curious.
@Crensch referral tag is rudimentary website child's play. From a technical perspective I see nothing that merits objection about this. Please illuminate me as to your complaint.
Same observation for "he probably made his own website". I don't see anything malign.
The Vindicator section is not enough corroboration. Unless I missed something, he's making an educated guess on 2 minutes. That's about as accurate as flipping a coin, @webofslime?
I don't see this at all. He never says he uses stolen credentials. He admits to e-mail spamming, yes, but he's e-mail spamming a list of CNN and Government e-mail addresses. He's waging a war against CNN. What's not to like?
@thewebofslime, what is the purpose of @followthemoney, and why separate the accounts?
The vernacular used by the accounts matches.
IF @thewebofslime is @followthemoney, then this has the appearance of a albeit somewhat arrogant over-exaggeration for the aggregate. From a technical perspective, he's right - most peoples passwords have leaked by now and most people use a lot of repeat passwords. A staggering, disgustingly amount of people. It's common modern OpSec to never re-use passwords and to have cypher's or variants because of this.
@crensch, if anything this is sound technical observation and my only complaint is he's not even bothering to educate directly and seems mostly indignant he'd have to. Frankly, I would, too.
@thewebofslime, can you explain the discrepancy? Was this a mistake, assumption, or is something not readily apparent by the logs?
@crensch I see what @thewebofslime is saying here, and calling it "holds criminal/doxxing material" is a large stretch of the imagination.
The guy basically said she doxxed first, so he retaliated. Help me see why this isn't equalization of force to combat a threat.
thewebofslime ago
The AntiPublic collections are on every torrent site, along with many other database leaks. Anyone can download them. You have to come up with your own solution to search the binaries.
There exists people who are getting paid to cover up pedophilia on the Internet. This is forensic interruption and is illegal. They are liable to the IRS for getting paid under the table to do this. I have a particular dislike of people who are taking money to make sure pedophiles are allowed to operate in the open.
II don't spend money on attorneys, but I have to be judicial in my use of them as it is a quid pro quo situation. Think of it as a consult. My question is, "Is there a case?" The answer is yes, provided I have enough solid evidence.
The purpose is that there are legal implications for people who use dox on me to do things like make fake dating profiles all over the country to mess with my marriage. Additionally, I have a website that is being slandered which also has legal implications. I hope to expose to the authorities shill farms that are being used to cover up corruption and the easiest trail in which to start looking for them is to follow the trail they left on my site, which was subjected to a variety of amateurish attacks.
CACI is a Defense Intelligence Agency contractor.
My cousin, who helped on my site, made the account and originally helped me on Voat, though doesn't really use the account much. The accounts are logged on with different devices. I usually only do WoS work from one device, which has an impossible password to remember. Peripheral devices are easier to use as @followthemoney, particularly when I am at my cousin's houses who also follow the subject matter. I have been transparent about this.
The original @srayzie criminal records were immediately deleted on @protectvoat. They were screenshots of the Fresno and Kern County court databases.
I hold doxx on billions of people. I am not targeting anyone when I download publicly available databases, of which there are many and are plentiful on sites like torrentz2.eu, among others.
On a philosophical level, I am not opposed to doxx because there are hundreds of thousands of people who have access to doxx on everyone in the world via government and private intelligence. They have private information and they regularly sell and trade it. It levels the playing field is we, as the general public, are also allowed to check up on those who are potentially bad actors in the background.
@srayzie doxxed repeatedly over the course of a year and made many multiple accounts to do this over and over again. Here's the thing...
I have no way of knowing if @srazyie is really who we are lead to believe. I ran the picture through facial recognition. That doesn't mean someone couldn't use her pictures to make a fake profile. There is relatively little proof that it is really the same person. The same goes for @gothamgirl. Sure, we can make an educated guess about what is going on, but is there any way to rule out that it is all an act? The drama manufactured?
All of my social media uses someone else's pictures from photobucket/recent. You can easily make multiple accounts that appear to be someone else. So, in fact, we cannot be 100% certain that anyone is who they say they are, short of a video with a timestamp, etc, and EVEN THEN, if you haven't tried making DeepFakes with FakeApp (also available on torrents) then you should give it a try because it is scary what you can do.
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virge ago
So you're a programmer?
What is the nature of your interest? Revenge? Or profit?
Employed as a consultant? Having judicial use of quid pro quo attorneys falls into a few very specific niches of individual. I'm sure you can see the conundrum with this elaboration. This is the kind of thing most folks around here will declare a Special Agent, given the relationships. Are you?
Who did this, when, and why?
thewebofslime ago
I am not a programmer... but I know enough to cut and paste and make scripts works.
I've made a good profit pursuing legitimate causes.
I work with law firms for times when they have a difficult process service, among other things.
I was on a rant about how over the top racism was being inserted into Internet forums to run off "normies" when I ran afoul of Colin Flaherty shills. They took extra time to pick on me in a variety of ways. At that stage, digging up police reports related to him solved the problem.
virge ago
Sounds to me like the only adult in the room.
Carry on.
Corpse_washer ago
He is on a crusade, justifying it with a good cause.
Dont see a problem with that as in my understanding he is using public data to do it, and bloating about having things that is available too if you know where to look is not nice, but understandable. I would never tell anyone what i have. Ever. This suggests emotion, a wanting to be validated without giving actual proof.
I dont see any indication that that has something to do with ip adresses.
I had to look up what thot audit is. Nothing wrong with that. I dont think he can actually connect ip adresses to twatter geolocation. That would suggest government support, as ip adresses change all the time and you cant really point at someone and say "Its you, and i know that because your current ip is the same as that post made 6 months ago!", especially if its a mobile device that changes ip's with every new tower or something like that. Im not technically adept to say its fake, i just deem it unlikely because professionals use other means of identifications than ip.
No proof provided, cant be decided without it.
A crusade, justifying it with a good cause. Again, without proof provided, cant be decided.
Crusade, justifying it with a good cause. Spamming is a grey area that is sometimes legal, sometimes illegal, have to be decided case by case.
Says the crensch, who probably has some dozens of alts.
Well, he is not wrong.
Both archives say deleted by Voat, i dont really know what i am looking at.
Its probably based on freely available data, like a sexoffender list or something, but again, no proof so cant be decided.
Conclusion: drama from both sides.
SandHog ago
It is. Definitely is. The whole kerfuffle with this guy started because he didn't want to follow the submission guidelines to v/pizzagate and proceeded to flip out and accuse Vindicator of being a shill and then proceeded to ask if it was ok to dox him. Of course the response to that was much like what you see here. It appears that only reinforced his preconcieved notion that pizzagate was comped and he proceeded to spread that bullshit (before his 'investigation' was even completed mind you) all over reddit and the chans. And he has no idea why those of us involved with pizzagate and saw all this shit first-hand don't trust him.
I've gone around and around with the guy in an attempt to resolve this issue and he simply ignores everything and continues on with whatever game he is playing.
virge ago
And your candid opinion on the rest of my line of inquiry?
argosciv ago
You want candid do ya? How about this...
I was, for a long time and still to an extent, suspicious of the shit being flung at you by malicious users, but, seeing you bend over fucking backwards to defend this cunt, makes me severely suspicious of you.
So to address your "line of inquiry":
How about you open your fucking eyes and learn to read.
The post says "probably created his own attack on website", not "he probably made his own website"
Are you fucking daft?
Let me spell it the fuck out for you:
So, yes, referral tagging is "rudimentary", but what TWOS uses that for is absolutely malicious and proves he has absolutely no fucking regard for the privacy, safety or well being of any Voat user.
Just think, this is all based on what we know he does with Google Analytics services provided by his webhost... whaddya think he has knocked up in the actual website code itself? Do you have any idea what kind of malicious tracking can be performed by someone who has basic understanding of php and who clearly has no ethics on the matter of privacy and safety of others?
Bull.fucking.shit. You dishonest motherfucker. Read what the cunt said again:
The only one stretching their imagination here, is you.
You are bending over fucking backwards to defend the prick, and for what, because you don't lie @theoldones?
I sure hope that's the only reason you are doing it...
I was willing to call it bullshit the way malicious users were treating you, but agian, in light of your defense of TWOS, you are suspicious as fuck.
Now, kindly go fuck yourself.
cc: @SandHog
thewebofslime ago
False. Find me one example outside of the 5 or 6 links I've posted to my own subverse. This type of dishonesty, right off the bat, makes me feel like I don't need to address the rest.
You clearly don't know how tracking works. It starts at your own device and anyone with an Amazon subscription can see site visitor stats.
https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/voat.co
Notice it can tell you where the traffic is coming from. It doesn't need Voat to install tracking, it is using everyone else's devices and is trading with other data conglomerates. A lot of people just don't understand how the Internet works, so I don't blame you... just stop pretending to be an expert and stating your opinion as fact.
This was my main problem with @Vindicator who, supposedly, knows nothing about technology but insists my site is a "security risk." Voat tracks you way more than I do and I only look at my logs when attacked. I'm not trying to farm the information as I already have plenty of that.
So, your statement is wildly dishonest. I haven't checked my logs since the attack stopped. In fact, I haven't touched my site since April. So, please stop lying. At this stage, your credibility is already gone.
Someone broke the law. I looked into it for the legal implications. This means I was attacked and I, as the victim, have a right to investigate. You are proposing that I accept being attacked and do nothing. That is quite literally insane.
I shared the logs. I asked politely how to deal with the situation. Sorry, but you are really, really, far off from representing the truth of the matter.
I get that not everyone is able to read in between the lines, but I look through police reports all the time. When this all went down, I pointed to all the reports I dug up on Colin Flaherty because, even though I didn't share those reports, I made it pretty clear that I knew the information in them. This was in response to being attacked by pro- Colin Flaherty shills who had, seemingly, made fake dating profiles around the country to get at me. This was because I said that the over the top racism distracts from the discussions about high level corruption and works to discredit the movement and keep "normies" away.
This was when I implied that I had other police reports and other criminal records, which I do. Every time I am attacked by shills, I look into it because there is legal malfeasance that can be remedied in civil court.
My site is bare bones, so if you would please view the source and walk back your statements about my site, we won't have a problem.
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virge ago
If you call me asking those questions bending over backwards, you've legitimately taken me by surprise. Until recently I've avoided all the GA behavior and related individuals. Every interaction I've had with @thewebofslime was one where he seemed to show things such as Government corruption This is the first time I've seen any of the conversations listed and I read them. Based on your response below, perhaps not carefully enough and I'm open to criticism but I thought I was being pretty non-partition on the issue. I have no beef or allegiance to either party involved, but I read what @crensch wrote and made clear that he had legitimate points by asking @thewebofslime to offer an explanation.
Every story has two sides, and I want to see what they are. If you choose to object to that, so be it, I didn't ask for nor do I need your permission.
So your objection is a freehand paraphrase instead of a quote to try and reduce the size of an already overly long post? The nerve of me, taking into consideration your time. Yes, that's me being patronizing because you're doing it to me.
This is my beef with this. (@madworld to keep me honest, at @sandhogs request)
What he is doing is no different than anytime someone clicks on a Youtube link, or a Facebook link, or a Twitter link, or a CNN link, or a Breitbart link, and so on. His ability to correlate the data is rough approximations and algorithmic assumptions based on timing at best, and while this may be somewhat reliable data it's far from an accurate sample size.
Where the differences end are what he does with the data. In that we both agree, but it's method of capture is negligible in "threat" to be of note. I think I made that pretty clear with my pointed questions. They weren't softballs, but I don't know enough to employ a hard ball in this situation.
What? @theoldones and I have dialogues all the time. I give him shit all the time. I thought it was friendly, and I like what he does. @theoldones are we suddenly enemies?
I never asked for your sympathy or support. Frankly, seeing how you've treated this situation without even bothering to ask me any questions I'm not so sure it wouldn't be a poison pill in the first place just waiting to explode on me for some perceived slight. I'm a solo act entirely because I can't trust the emotional volitility of others, and while I'd like to think I've made quite a few friends along the way. I don't play nice with others and I've been very open with my objectives from day one being for Freedom of Speech.
I see some of the actions of @thewebofslime needing an explanation. If they're not given then I can only switch from neutral to hostile and consider him a State or other paid actor. Until then I'm giving him the same opportunity I give everyone else because you and other Voat members have demonstrated time and time again that you have the brainpower but seem to lack the stamina for appropriate follow-through. This is where I excel where I perceive others to fail.
I do not consider you an enemy of my objective. Hell, I don't even consider WhiteRonin an enemy of my objective - he's actually an ideological mercenary, and that's a totally different matter to deal with that just involves keeping his attention focused on me so it's not aimed at others who aren't as equipped to deal with it.
Feel better, now that you got that off your chest? Was it necessary?
argosciv ago
You completely misrepresented what was said, or, didn't even fucking read properly.
You had plenty of room to quote properly, but instead gave a "freehand paraphrase", which, no, it wasn't a paraphrase, because you completely changed the core concept of what was said.
Bull.fucking.shit. Again you are being completely fucking dishonest and ignoring what I just laid out for you.
Yep, and you jumped on board with fuckwits in defense of TWOS, when you saw he and TOO arguing.
Suspicious or just plain dumb.
As for the diatribe at the end there, again, kindly go fuck yourself.
No, I don't because you're still a dishonest fuck. No, it's not necessary, but I'll say it anyway until you stop being completely fucking ignorant of what others are saying. You wanna wait for some more fucking spin from TWOS? Go for it.
In the meantime, several of us already know what that prick is doing -- what is yet to be determined is whether he's doing it for his own perverse kicks or if he's doing it for someone else or maybe even selling the data onwards, who knows. I don't particularly care, I just know he's a piece of shit and a danger to all Voat users.
virge ago
I think @corpse_washer gave a much more informed and mature reply.
If this is your crusade, you can have it. @thewebofslime currently just appears to me to be a NGO collecting data, either for-profit, or for Government. Either is not ideal, but you also won't be able to really do anything to stop it - so now what?
@sguevar @sandhog @madworld @mrpim @puttitoutisgone Keep me honest if I've misread this, but it smells off all-around to me either way.
sguevar ago
Honestly I can't read this post objectively enough for two reasons:
So I recuse myself from the subject. As stated before, I don't trust many here at Voat and though u/thewebofslim aka u/followthemoney appears to be somewhat reasonable in his comments, I don't trust in the use of alts nor in the works done from the shadows. I have expressed this many times, even if it is found to be naive from my part to do so. I stand where my faith leaads me to stand.
Additionally I do not support nor will I ever support the sharing of personal information of a certain user without that user's expressed public authorization and that goes for more sensitive data as to public record data. I value the right of Voat's user base to have privacy and to deal with Voat matters within Voat.
Is basically the same position I stood regarding your push for transparence. Had it been pushed by someone I trusted then I would probable be more opened to it, but I can't. So at this point I stand out of this. Thanks for the ping.
@PeaceSeeker.
followthemoney ago
He just mad because he is a shill and has to do damage control before he gets exposed. He thinks that discrediting me, specifically, will help protect the narrative. It wont.
thewebofslime acct has an impossible password to remember. So on any other device I use this one. Nothing sinister about it.
This group of users is annoyed enough with me that they were ddosing poal over it, too. When Colin Flaherty shills gave me a hard time, I went through police reports to see what kind of person I was dealing with. That info stopped them from bothering me. Same goes for the last round. I sat on the info for months but crensch said I was all talk. Turns out I'm not all talk.
Notice they are all terrified of doxxing but had no problem doing it to other people. I didn't doxx anyone who hadn't already doxxed someone else.
Either way, the threat to voat are the shills. 4 teams with 2 in competition and 2 who made an alliance. 1 team doesn't do drama, just posts their shtick. Angel investor not aligned with shill teams. Admin uses alts, pushes for peace between teams. Watch close.
Shizie ago
Either you're being dishonest or you're just not aware that zyklon_b is the one who doxed GothamGirl approximately 9 months ago. There was no coordination or group run by @crensch. If there was any group or coordination in that endeavor look to zyklon_b
sguevar ago
The address of the post that u/Crensch defended on his post to try to attack me was never posted on Voat before. So you can claim what you want u/Shizie but you have not moral ground to stand on here as your alt u/hollakost was banned for doxxing. I strongly believe that he did coordinate the effort of that group that you formed part of. And I haven't seen any other proof that says other wise.
Stop with the hypocrisy as you behaved in the same way that u/zyklon_b did. Both behaviors were despicable and I have no further interest in engaging you as you have shown what you are capable of with alt creation and doxx attempts. Have a good day.
SandHog ago
Well you ignored the repeated threats of doxing and actual doxing. Not to mention everything I said in this thread so apparently you are cool with all of that. I'm not. And no legitimate user on Voat should be so...what the fuck over?
MrPim ago
Did he actually dox anyone besides Srazie? I think I saw somewhere in here a dox of Vindicator mentioned but I just went through a bunch of stuff and I dont know if that actually happened.
SandHog ago
Not yet. Go through his comments and it's clear that he has a list of people he plans on doing it to. I think the only reason he didn't dox @Vindicator is because he couldn't. He clearly has no ethical barrier to doing so.
virge ago
@MrPim
Was he the originator of the doxx against Srayzie? Or did he parrot someone else?
The way I look at it, I could probably doxx a bunch of people, too, if I set my mind to it and went back through the data available just on SearchVoat.co. I've never considered it, because I don't see the value in doing so and doxxing is against Voat's rules so it's against my rules.
It's extremely important to also understand that if wtos is a State actor, then he's making an open threat.
@argosciv your post made me become alert and pay more attention to the situation. I'm still not convinced this is a state actor, but frankly given the ability for a NGO to bypass and circumvent laws to sell data for money I consider the issue to be even worse if it's in the hands of a NGO for-profit.
Ya'll are being Palantir'd by the looks of it. I'd bet money on it.
@heygeorge There is a reason I'm chaotic neutral, it keeps the attention of certain bad actors on me. It may be time to shed that act and do something more productive if it's gotten this bad.
SandHog ago
He was the first one to post her full name.
virge ago
Could anyone else have done so given readily available information and he was the first to pull the proverbial trigger? Or did the information originate through his data collection?
SandHog ago
I do not know.
virge ago
Who would be the best person to ask? This task seems large and I'm still fighting fronts on other ends.
SandHog ago
Lots of fronts on Voat these days it seems. You could ask webofslime how he found the info. You should probably ask him what his intention in posting it was while you are at it. I doubt you'll get an acceptable answer but you could ask.
virge ago
I'm pretty sure I already did.
SandHog ago
He's awfully proud of his ability to use hacked email/password lists to tie people to their online accounts and their real identity. He talks about it quite a lot, anyway. I assume that's what he did with the aid of what others had already posted about her. The most interesting thing, to me, is how he attempted to paint her as some master criminal because she got a dui 10 years ago and a trespassing charge even farther back. Like she is some deep state agent or some shit. She is a housewife with kids. That's it. Anyone with half a brain looking at any of that info would quickly realize that. Odd how that very same information is shoehorned into the narrative and used to try and justify what he is doing when it simply does not fit, isn't it?
virge ago
That might be a forest for the trees situation when a bigger question is how he got the database in the first place. It's not public info and you can't just download it.
You either buy it or are given access to it. You don't just stumble upon it like a shekel on the ground.
SandHog ago
Good point. I do not know the specifics on that.
virge ago
Try to get the database yourself from the very sites he links (minus the Government one, which is public for obvious reasons). Let me know how it goes.
He's ignored any questions about how he got it, which is my biggest issue so far.
MrPim ago
TBH im uncertain who originated the dox against Srazie. It looks like she posted her own img. From which someone did a reverse img search and found more information. But Im not certain who exacrly did that originally.
I honestly wouldnt care except I want my own opinion informed.
virge ago
We are in the same place here. CIA and NSA operate on Voat with impunity on a daily basis. They have rules, for the most part.
NGO's do not. That is an extremely big problem. A NGO is just some guy (or group) that applied a creative use of some random Government grant (meaning your taxdollars pay them) to do whatever purpose they want. In this case, I have suspect this is a NGO data collection operation openly on Voat.
A NGO data collection operation on Voat is a legitimate threat and should be considered hostile.
@crensch @Nadeshda @argosciv @sandhog @peaceseeker
SandHog ago
Agreed.
virge ago
Uhh.. @mrpim @puttitoutisgone since I forgot about the whole 5 ping thing and I re-used two.
SandHog ago
I'd like an answer: https://voat.co/v/ProtectGoats/3319514/19598942/
virge ago
Thanks. Done.
SandHog ago
Pretty much.
SandHog ago
I have no idea when it comes to what he says about the activity on his website. I strongly suspect that I am one of the names on his little 'thot audit' list because I challenged his conclusions as they amounted to nothing more than Vindicator posting a reply to his thread around the same time the alleged 'CACI intrusion' occurred. The only evidence we have of the 'CACI' attack occuring was some copy pasted logs that could have easily been faked. I do not know if that was the case or not but the evidence essentially hinged on a timing coincidence.
I started out defending the guy in this whole thing. I waited for him to present his evidence but that was the sum total of it implicating Vindicator. Vindicator posting a comment around the same time someone allegedly tried to run a clumsy injection attack on his website. Maybe someone did. Maybe they didn't. I don't know. What I do know is that my efforts to smooth things over and get to the bottom of things have been for naught and consequently I am left to believe he has not been dealing in good faith.
As for all the technical stuff @MadWorld would be much more suited to answer that than I am.
thewebofslime ago
Why make false accusations and lie?
You misstated my evidence and conclusions. My primary evidence was a list of IamQ email addresses with the same exact passwords as a vindicator email address that coincided with the user that probed my site form a CACI device. The timing was immediately after @vindicator insulted me repeatedly and called me a shill, first. The attack happened within minutes, resulting me researching what happened, which turned up a shill farm of IamQ email addresses. @Vindicator also dug up an ancient @IamQ post.
This statement is patently false. "Around the same time" misrepresents all of the other evidence and the logs as well as "within a couple of minutes." That is not "around the same time" it was exactly the same time.
Accept there is a tie to IamQ email addresses. Also, publicly available information regarding the email and passwords confirms this. I specifically presented evidence that nobody had to take my word for... that they could look up themselves. "Goatblower" on an email tied to a Voat account is more than circumstantial.
Super, super false. Why are you lying?