srayzie doxxed herself with the FB link some time ago so zyclon_b's actions are technically not doxxing and dont fall under voat rules, as i understand them.
however, threats against life and well-being are unlawful and not covered by the 1st amendment.
@puttitout, a site admin is responsible for keeping the site aligned with the law. this means, banning members and their alts who repeatedly violate the law and, if the 'victim' so wishes, pass on the according information to law enforcement.
if we can all learn one thing from this then its 'dont doxx yourself!'. in a war zone like this, never post private information that can lead to photos, location, job, family.
then the trolls can attack as they like, its just words, no need for drama.
I am not blaming anyone, it looks to me like the voat community has spoken, i respect this. But i think the battles should never ever involve children. There should be a line that humans do not cross.
Amazing no one has mention the repeated postings about attacking someone until they commit suicide as the “only way out.” Shit posting is one thing but when you public post to coordinate attacks, you’re stretching your limits of muh-free speech.
Specificity: I can say just about whatever I like to your screen name, because I don’t really know about anything behind the alias. It’s just a screen name, not a real person.
Credibility: A user account who frequently makes idle threats of an absurdist violent nature, whether one thinks this is humorous or not, is not likely to be found ‘credible’.
WTF more credible than Zyklon saying we will continue to attack her and try to get her to commit suicide? Case law has been decided on this already, IE: causing such emotional distress that someone kills themselves is and has been punishable by law. Claiming you’re a troll or having a disclaimer in your bio does not negate this fact.
Right but I mean posting pictures of the person and their kids and saying something about getting their kids shot or making an actual threat. Seems like that would be a get a visit by the FBI kind of thing.
I can understand this concern but again if she linked her personal social media to a site where anonymity is really important then she was the one that put herself at risk.
Instead of owning her mistake and set the record straight she fed the fire by leaving and creating a second shit show.
Also I only saw the posting of her pictures that were of public domain, I never saw the pictures of her kids being posted I simply saw the faggot zyklon_b trying to stir the pot by doing his harassment.
If we are to handle this it needs to be handled following a due process not falling into the behaviors that himself and our enemies want us to so we are discredit for doing so. You need to understand that there has to be a due, clear and objective process that we can lean to in order to avoid this from ever happening again.
Bullshit. Mods do not deserve nor need any “special” protections (you’re attempting the same bullshit politicians have granted themselves)
Muh children has been used as an excuse to limit freedom longer than any of us has been alive, and look at what it has accomplished. Gun free zones are used as shooting ranges to change political narratives.
Go back to reddit until you learn how to use logic.
I've had someone yell at me for simply driving too close to their huge ass truck and it scared them somehow. Their reasoning was "My grand-daughter could have been in the back seat!"
I smell a rat. You create a problem then create a solution for said problem.. Fucking Communists. We're all at risk here. All of us and people who don't bow to the ideology of the age get attacked. That's never a new thing. If the devil's world loves you be terrified. If it hates you rejoice.
WELL AS A USER OF VOAT.CO I BELIEVE THAT THE FREE SPEECH PART OF THIS SITE IS AWESOME... BUT WHEN IT COMES TO SHILL'S THREATENING WOMEN AND THEIR CHILDREN THEN THAT SHOULD BE A GOOD REASON TO BLOCK A USER FROM USING VOAT.CO ANYMORE. WHAT'S NEXT ABUSERS ON VOAT.CO THREATENING TO RAPE AND KILL SOMEONE AND THEN THE PERP'S ACTS OUT ON IT.... WE AS A COMMUNITY NEED TO COME TO SOME UNDERSTANDING THAT THOSE THINGS ARE NOT FREE SPEECH BUT SOMETHING ALL TOGETHER DIFFERENT. UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES A PERSON THAT HAS TAKEN THEIR RIGHTS TO USE VOAT.CO AND THEN ABUSE OTHERS CAN BE CONSIDERED FREE SPEECH BUT IT ALSO COULD BE CALLED A TERRORIST THEAT AND THAT MY FRIENDS IS NOT OK AND IS PUNISHABLE BY PRISON TIME.SO WHY NOT JUST BLOCK THOSE SAID TROUBLE MAKERS FROM THE VOAT.CO SITE, EVEN IF THEY MAKE ANOTHER FAKE ACCOUNT , A SNAKE IS A SNAKE IS A SNAKE AND A SNAKE WILL ALWAYS REFER BACK TO THEIR WAYS IN LIFE...IF THAT HAPPENS THEN REPEAT THE BLOCK PROCESS! IT MAKES NO SENSE THAT A MODERATOR MUST LEAVE A SITE THEY'VE CREATED BECAUSE SOMEONE WHO IS FILLED WITH ONLY HATE HAS A PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM IS THE ONE WITH THE HATE ISSUE....BLOCK THEM FROM USING SITE !
I'm relatively new to voat. 8 months. I left reddit when them banned sjwhate. I only browse all. I have to tell you all, you are acting like reddit fags. Hard. You all are calling for bans, and new rules, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE FUCKING WITH YOU. Stop being such drama faggot niggers. If you don't like being trolled by everyone, then stop being such FUCKING PUSSIES! You all act like leftist soy boys! " oh, the bad trolls have made me feel unsafe..change the rules..blah blah...You came here because you were banned for fucks sake. So some on voat fuck with you. So what? You could have ignored it,you chose not ro, and this is the consequence. Voat is free speech. You want your own safe space? Fuck off. Rhats the charm of voat. No space is safe. So either shut up and grow a pair, or fuck right off. They gave you a space here, don't be a Fucking douche about it.
Yeah but as a former redditfag, a lot of the gay ass drama here, and I’m not referring specifically to srayzie, looks EXACTLY like the kind of shit that all the goats HARDENED us to. I’ve never been a pussy but I sure as shit don’t get offended on the internet, like at ALL, since staying on voat.
Seems like some people here could genuinely use a dose of their own medicine.
I've been here for almost 5 years and I agree with your sentiment. Man I remember when public info was put LIC, now it's muh dox! Such nonsense the internet has become...
IMO, if someone finds out your personal info against your will and reveals it without your consent, that is doxxing. If you share a post from your personal facebook page, yeah, that's on you and it shouldn't be considered doxxing.
It’s Srayzie’s own fault for allowing herself to be doxxed.
If you’re going to mod a board that supports a movement like this, don’t be a reckless amateur and put yourself and your family at risk like that.
Other mods haven’t had his problem because hey haven’t been posting about their personal info. They targeted her because she made herself an easy target.
I think she didn't see it out there, how psycho some are. I remain anonymous for the most part but honestly, I invite all those psychos to come and try some shit with me. Oh talk about having a blast. For me, that is.
She did it to herself and though now she has closed her twitter account or made it private she did linked it.
You can't be doxxed when you were the one linking your information. Why do you think that antiliberalsociety hasn't been banned when makes his posts about TexasVet?
Do you have a twitter account named @theoldones with a picture of yourself on it? I’m a semantics nut to a fault at times, but there is no dox that took place. Nobody posted her name, her address, hacked her Facebook, nothing. Nada. No information outside of information srayz linked to Voat herself.
I would assume that most people that post here are well armed and it would be a life altering mistake for someone to show up to their house especially after making threats to them online.
My point is, I’m more concerned about a mod posting personal info about theirselves and creating drama about it without admitting their own mistakes so we can all know to avoid this, instead of trying to censor/punish people for offenses that could have been easily avoided.
Ok, let's agree that it was fucked up, because I do.
Do you really think censorship will prevent it?
Once someone posts enough personal info, they allow themselves to be doxxed. Once they are doxxed, their info is spread.
No method of action will prevent this besides protecting your personal info.
It's very odd that she calls for action against said doxxers, instead of suggesting the only thing that would actually prevent the issue from even happening altogether.
Back to my previous analogy, it's like complaining about your house getting broken into for leaving your doors open at night, and suggesting the way to stop it from happening again is to kill every intruder instead of shutting and locking your doors. It's a bit asinine.
Dont use your Voat user name as your Facebook/Twitter/Gab/etc user name and then stupidly post links for your various social media accounts on every site.
Dont post your photos on those same sites and leave access set to public rather than private
Dont advertise the Voat sub you moderate on your other social media accounts
You know what doxxing is right? It’s when someone goes through all of your posts to piece together personal info. In her case, she had linked to her personal Facebook in some way. She also confirmed that the doxxers were successful, that the images posted about her were actually her. It’s obvious she has always identified herself as a woman with a family.
@srayzie is leaving, who will be the next to suffer collateral damage is we dont have some sort of protection from this . Voat should stand up against this.
Zyklom_b, who is most likely a paid shill, made a post here using an alt about two weeks ago. The post included a porn picture. Srayzie removed it and banned the user. Zyklon_b got mad and flipped out. He announced GA wa sbeig attacked. His band of loser followers began helping him attack. Zyklon_b began threatening to kill our kids. Leaving comments such as "with a gun to their kids heads", and posting a video of men hunting children with guns. There were lots of other threats, and even another sub made to make fun of Srayzie. That's fine, but the background was actual photos of her they had gotten on social media. It was just too much.
My question is why does Putt think that it's okay for Zyk and scumbags to threaten you and Srayzie and not do something about it? I thought he was going to do something about the QRV porn problem too?
Did Putt decide to wimp out and emasculate himself?
Then why hasn't something been done? This mess should've been handled long ago. Both on QRV and you guys. This is ridiculous. Muh free speech does not cover porn and threats to family. It's just an excuse to behave badly. Those types of actions are the very things Q is fighting. What is Putt going to do about this? Nothing?
Yes it should have been handled long ago. But some people around here would rather adhere to their lofty ideals instead of working to close loopholes that allow these dirtbags to thrive.
Since the expectations and standards don't seem to be equally applied to all subverse, and some get free passes to run wild, I say we follow putts Wild West suggestion and manage ourselves how WE see fit, and not how some assholes on the sidelines WANT us to be.
can someone just quickly explain exactly what kind of threats were levied against srayzie and/or srayzie's children/family? obviously I read the going away message but I don't know what event it was specifically that made him feel like this was the best course of action (and perhaps neccessary for the safety of children/family).
True, zyklon did that to another user who turned out to be his collaborator, months before he publicly targeted srayzie.
Pretty effective intimidation tactic, don't you think? Plant the seed of what he's capable of, then later turn on the heat and start making death threat "jokes" and suicide suggestions?
That's perfectly fine "free speech" "performance art" that Voat should protect.
And I’m not trying to dump on her. I truly liked and supported srayzie. I knew she was going to delete as we were PM’ing and she told me so. She clearly misinterpreted my response, but that’s a different matter.
I would imagine because the attack wasn't merely against her personally, by an outsider with no Voat standing.
It was against her main reason to be on Voat: exposing globalist corruption involving the rape of kids. It became an administrative issue in the moderation of her subverse on the topic. After she tried to address it, it turned into personal attacks, which were also being picked up and amplified off site.
If you saw something you had poured years of your life into being torched, would you be able to keep your hand clamped over your mouth and watch it burn?
Or would you appeal to friends who had helped you before to help put out the fire?
Or would you appeal to friends who had helped you before to help put out the fire?
Of course she appealed to her friends. I think a common thread is that srayz did not seem to be accepting of some of the advice which may have led to a different outcome. I am not sure what advice she took and what she discarded.
I can’t imagine who advised srayzie to give the subverse to crensch.
What is the point of the submission you linked? What are you saying it illustrates?
Are you saying that the only help available for people who become the targets of creeps is to have the protection of the right group of power goats?
When I see that list, that is what I see.
I also note that cynabuns deleted her own v/ReportSpammers comments when she was investigating Cuckoo 'Ruku's abuse of Voat to avoid being targeted by him like srayzie and I already had been. (Yeah, that fucker put a bitcoin bounty out for anyone who could dox me. Which I reported. To the sound of crickets). I see @Kevdude warning her it was coming.
Cynabuns self-censored to avoid being brigaded. Is that your point? Keep your head down or join the right crew and don't piss them off?
did that happen as a result of srazyzie "self-doxxing" by posting her fb username or did other goats somehow just discover this? just curious and trying to understand how this whole thing went.
Mods need to adhere to safety suggestions and for the most part stay silent accept when necessary.
Srayzie said it himself he had self doxed with fb acct. That was a major failure that was his own only. Maybe I know these things from longer experience dealing with the tech world but anyways mixing or crossing types of interest per devise is not advised. Home work and political interests, (other), should all be run separately and never NEVER cross posted. And that may not be enough. I recommend consulting a security professional or education your self in privacy methods. I know it is a lot to learn and do but it is worth the effort.
Harassed yes. I don't think doxing applies. This does not excuse the threats and insults. There should likely be a rule against severe targeted harassment. But it annoys me so much that showing her profile picture or recently uploaded twitter images is somehow made out to be abuse or a form of doxing.
verb (used with or without object), doxed or doxxed, dox·ing or dox·xing.
Slang. to publish the private personal information of (another person) or reveal the identity of (an online poster) without the consent of that individual:
She has the same identity on twitter as she has on voat. Everything on her twitter is public.
She used her face as her profile picture on multiple websites - with her username.
Just think for a moment what the point of a profile picture is. And then tell me again that making a profile picture public is "doxing".
The entire point of a profile picture is that it's a public picture to identify you. That's the fucking purpose of a profile picture. - It's mean to be seen by other users.
How many people do you see use their real face in youtube channels? Every child and retard understands that a profile picture is a public picture that can be seen by everyone.
Being a douchebag still fits within the spirit of free speech, however. It turns my stomach, I actively avoid paying identifying information here as a matter of course.
Voat isn't the gated garden. It's the compost heap. There's beauty in it's purpose, wonderful things flourish as a result of it's existence, but it fucking reeks sometimes.
I recommend a bit of due diligence, and a clothespin. It isn't changing.
BS...just because you can, doesn't mean you should. "Free speech" is being used as an excuse to behave badly. There is a reason morals and values are necessary to a free (speech) society.
Diggernicks ago
E stalking is extremely homosexual
theoldones ago
1 user for another, an eye for an eye
Vindicator ago
So your point is to illustrate that once srayzie obtained the right powergoat defenders and Rukushima gained the right enemies, he beat feet?
divine_human ago
srayzie doxxed herself with the FB link some time ago so zyclon_b's actions are technically not doxxing and dont fall under voat rules, as i understand them.
however, threats against life and well-being are unlawful and not covered by the 1st amendment.
@puttitout, a site admin is responsible for keeping the site aligned with the law. this means, banning members and their alts who repeatedly violate the law and, if the 'victim' so wishes, pass on the according information to law enforcement.
if we can all learn one thing from this then its 'dont doxx yourself!'. in a war zone like this, never post private information that can lead to photos, location, job, family.
then the trolls can attack as they like, its just words, no need for drama.
chocolatepatriot2 ago
I am not blaming anyone, it looks to me like the voat community has spoken, i respect this. But i think the battles should never ever involve children. There should be a line that humans do not cross.
akilyoung ago
Someone who is single and has thick skin and is well able to 'take care of themselves' should be the next one in line
Niggardly_Jew ago
According to /v/GreatAwakening
MrShekelstein ago
OP is a NIGGER FAGGOT.
smokratez ago
Put is a tranny who gets his estrogen from the reddit trannies. Why do you think he is so bipolar? Voat is under their control.
1karnia ago
Amazing no one has mention the repeated postings about attacking someone until they commit suicide as the “only way out.” Shit posting is one thing but when you public post to coordinate attacks, you’re stretching your limits of muh-free speech.
Vindicator ago
If you could gather the links to those and post them, it would be helpful.
GeneralDisposition ago
Nobody is going to talk about what @sratzie to be the target of harrassment? Why did this boil so long culminating in a full fledged hot post?
MudPuddlePie ago
@Putt....you going to let this stand?
MisterGrieves ago
I thought making threats against someone online was made a crime long ago.
heygeorge ago
They have to be credible and specific.
Specificity: I can say just about whatever I like to your screen name, because I don’t really know about anything behind the alias. It’s just a screen name, not a real person.
Credibility: A user account who frequently makes idle threats of an absurdist violent nature, whether one thinks this is humorous or not, is not likely to be found ‘credible’.
1karnia ago
WTF more credible than Zyklon saying we will continue to attack her and try to get her to commit suicide? Case law has been decided on this already, IE: causing such emotional distress that someone kills themselves is and has been punishable by law. Claiming you’re a troll or having a disclaimer in your bio does not negate this fact.
Vindicator ago
A link to that would be helpful.
MisterGrieves ago
Right but I mean posting pictures of the person and their kids and saying something about getting their kids shot or making an actual threat. Seems like that would be a get a visit by the FBI kind of thing.
sguevar ago
I can understand this concern but again if she linked her personal social media to a site where anonymity is really important then she was the one that put herself at risk. Instead of owning her mistake and set the record straight she fed the fire by leaving and creating a second shit show.
Also I only saw the posting of her pictures that were of public domain, I never saw the pictures of her kids being posted I simply saw the faggot zyklon_b trying to stir the pot by doing his harassment.
If we are to handle this it needs to be handled following a due process not falling into the behaviors that himself and our enemies want us to so we are discredit for doing so. You need to understand that there has to be a due, clear and objective process that we can lean to in order to avoid this from ever happening again.
QualityShitposter ago
Bullshit. Mods do not deserve nor need any “special” protections (you’re attempting the same bullshit politicians have granted themselves)
Muh children has been used as an excuse to limit freedom longer than any of us has been alive, and look at what it has accomplished. Gun free zones are used as shooting ranges to change political narratives.
Go back to reddit until you learn how to use logic.
Muntanolva ago
I've had someone yell at me for simply driving too close to their huge ass truck and it scared them somehow. Their reasoning was "My grand-daughter could have been in the back seat!"
theoldones ago
we can accept it happens at the same time correct punishment gets applied for doing it. those things do not exclude each other
@zyklon_b should face some sort of penalty, i think that's a fair statement to make
jbo5112 ago
A penalty like going to jail for making physical threats?
theoldones ago
in actual events, he's apparently done both
tbh zyklon_b is full of so much fuckshit i can't answer your question. the man is an impulsive criminal pill addict with no goddamn morals
Bac10us ago
My fo fo make sure all y’all kids don’t grow
GeneralDisposition ago
I smell a rat. You create a problem then create a solution for said problem.. Fucking Communists. We're all at risk here. All of us and people who don't bow to the ideology of the age get attacked. That's never a new thing. If the devil's world loves you be terrified. If it hates you rejoice.
RightSideUp17and6 ago
A-freaking-men to that. If you aint hassled, you aint no threat! The world WILL hate us. Guilty as charged!
Stonenchizel ago
WELL AS A USER OF VOAT.CO I BELIEVE THAT THE FREE SPEECH PART OF THIS SITE IS AWESOME... BUT WHEN IT COMES TO SHILL'S THREATENING WOMEN AND THEIR CHILDREN THEN THAT SHOULD BE A GOOD REASON TO BLOCK A USER FROM USING VOAT.CO ANYMORE. WHAT'S NEXT ABUSERS ON VOAT.CO THREATENING TO RAPE AND KILL SOMEONE AND THEN THE PERP'S ACTS OUT ON IT.... WE AS A COMMUNITY NEED TO COME TO SOME UNDERSTANDING THAT THOSE THINGS ARE NOT FREE SPEECH BUT SOMETHING ALL TOGETHER DIFFERENT. UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES A PERSON THAT HAS TAKEN THEIR RIGHTS TO USE VOAT.CO AND THEN ABUSE OTHERS CAN BE CONSIDERED FREE SPEECH BUT IT ALSO COULD BE CALLED A TERRORIST THEAT AND THAT MY FRIENDS IS NOT OK AND IS PUNISHABLE BY PRISON TIME.SO WHY NOT JUST BLOCK THOSE SAID TROUBLE MAKERS FROM THE VOAT.CO SITE, EVEN IF THEY MAKE ANOTHER FAKE ACCOUNT , A SNAKE IS A SNAKE IS A SNAKE AND A SNAKE WILL ALWAYS REFER BACK TO THEIR WAYS IN LIFE...IF THAT HAPPENS THEN REPEAT THE BLOCK PROCESS! IT MAKES NO SENSE THAT A MODERATOR MUST LEAVE A SITE THEY'VE CREATED BECAUSE SOMEONE WHO IS FILLED WITH ONLY HATE HAS A PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM IS THE ONE WITH THE HATE ISSUE....BLOCK THEM FROM USING SITE !
Vrblpollushin ago
I'm relatively new to voat. 8 months. I left reddit when them banned sjwhate. I only browse all. I have to tell you all, you are acting like reddit fags. Hard. You all are calling for bans, and new rules, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE FUCKING WITH YOU. Stop being such drama faggot niggers. If you don't like being trolled by everyone, then stop being such FUCKING PUSSIES! You all act like leftist soy boys! " oh, the bad trolls have made me feel unsafe..change the rules..blah blah...You came here because you were banned for fucks sake. So some on voat fuck with you. So what? You could have ignored it,you chose not ro, and this is the consequence. Voat is free speech. You want your own safe space? Fuck off. Rhats the charm of voat. No space is safe. So either shut up and grow a pair, or fuck right off. They gave you a space here, don't be a Fucking douche about it.
W45P__ ago
T H I S
angelCole ago
hmmm.. haven't read one comment yet calling for new rules or bans, must be few and far between.
Vrblpollushin ago
It's not here. It's everywhere else on voat.
Thyhorrorcosmic103 ago
They mostly are reddit fags. That’s the problem.
Expert_Testimony ago
Yeah but as a former redditfag, a lot of the gay ass drama here, and I’m not referring specifically to srayzie, looks EXACTLY like the kind of shit that all the goats HARDENED us to. I’ve never been a pussy but I sure as shit don’t get offended on the internet, like at ALL, since staying on voat.
Seems like some people here could genuinely use a dose of their own medicine.
GeneralDisposition ago
Feminine men will be feminine men. Always bickering never taking the punch and being a bigger man.
IslamicStatePatriot ago
I've been here for almost 5 years and I agree with your sentiment. Man I remember when public info was put LIC, now it's muh dox! Such nonsense the internet has become...
oneinchterror ago
IMO, if someone finds out your personal info against your will and reveals it without your consent, that is doxxing. If you share a post from your personal facebook page, yeah, that's on you and it shouldn't be considered doxxing.
Muntanolva ago
It’s Srayzie’s own fault for allowing herself to be doxxed.
If you’re going to mod a board that supports a movement like this, don’t be a reckless amateur and put yourself and your family at risk like that.
Other mods haven’t had his problem because hey haven’t been posting about their personal info. They targeted her because she made herself an easy target.
Learn from her mistakes, everyone.
heygeorge ago
Good advice all around
AlphabeticalAnon ago
I think she didn't see it out there, how psycho some are. I remain anonymous for the most part but honestly, I invite all those psychos to come and try some shit with me. Oh talk about having a blast. For me, that is.
theoldones ago
no amount of fuck-ups, real, imaginary, or implied justify the doxx
sguevar ago
She did it to herself and though now she has closed her twitter account or made it private she did linked it.
You can't be doxxed when you were the one linking your information. Why do you think that antiliberalsociety hasn't been banned when makes his posts about TexasVet?
Objectivity before all or all is lost.
BB-3 ago
She doxxed herself for fuck's sakes.
heygeorge ago
Do you have a twitter account named @theoldones with a picture of yourself on it? I’m a semantics nut to a fault at times, but there is no dox that took place. Nobody posted her name, her address, hacked her Facebook, nothing. Nada. No information outside of information srayz linked to Voat herself.
theoldones ago
in the context of being assembled for malicious use, i think it can be marked as a harmful doxx
Muntanolva ago
And no amount of doxxing because of one’s own fuck-ups justifies a new policy of action.
theoldones ago
her fuckups dont mean a thing here, because zyklon and his brigade still werent justified in doing it
Muntanolva ago
Not posting personal info is the equivalent of locking your doors at night.
Yes, it’s illegal and unjustified for someone to break into your house.
But it doesn’t mean we don’t take every measure we can against it.
It’s no different with posting personal info here.
If you don’t want to be known, don’t let yourself be known.
MisterGrieves ago
I would assume that most people that post here are well armed and it would be a life altering mistake for someone to show up to their house especially after making threats to them online.
theoldones ago
on one hand sure, but on the other hand zyklon_b and all his crew deserve every second of punishment and hate they're getting right now
zyklon_b needs to shoot himself for this thing he did.
Muntanolva ago
My point is, I’m more concerned about a mod posting personal info about theirselves and creating drama about it without admitting their own mistakes so we can all know to avoid this, instead of trying to censor/punish people for offenses that could have been easily avoided.
theoldones ago
that concern doesnt help the situation
like, yeah don't self-doxx but this shit was fucked up
Muntanolva ago
Ok, let's agree that it was fucked up, because I do.
Do you really think censorship will prevent it?
Once someone posts enough personal info, they allow themselves to be doxxed. Once they are doxxed, their info is spread.
No method of action will prevent this besides protecting your personal info.
It's very odd that she calls for action against said doxxers, instead of suggesting the only thing that would actually prevent the issue from even happening altogether.
Back to my previous analogy, it's like complaining about your house getting broken into for leaving your doors open at night, and suggesting the way to stop it from happening again is to kill every intruder instead of shutting and locking your doors. It's a bit asinine.
GodsAngell ago
How did Srayzie "allow" herself to be doxxed?
sguevar ago
She linked her personal social media to Voat multiple times on post she did.
Proof: https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/2881196 I also archived it: http://archive.is/Qu6P4
This proof was given to Puttitout after I had pleaded with her to set the record straight and she refused.
Ina_Pickle ago
Pro Tips
Dont use your pic as your Voat profile image
Dont use your Voat user name as your Facebook/Twitter/Gab/etc user name and then stupidly post links for your various social media accounts on every site.
Dont post your photos on those same sites and leave access set to public rather than private
Dont advertise the Voat sub you moderate on your other social media accounts
did I miss anything?
heygeorge ago
See right here:
https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/3247273/18884855/
Muntanolva ago
You know what doxxing is right? It’s when someone goes through all of your posts to piece together personal info. In her case, she had linked to her personal Facebook in some way. She also confirmed that the doxxers were successful, that the images posted about her were actually her. It’s obvious she has always identified herself as a woman with a family.
This is Internet forum 101:
NO PERSONAL INFO
GodsAngell ago
Could someone please EXPAND on this?????
@srayzie is leaving, who will be the next to suffer collateral damage is we dont have some sort of protection from this . Voat should stand up against this.
What is going on????
Shizy ago
Zyklom_b, who is most likely a paid shill, made a post here using an alt about two weeks ago. The post included a porn picture. Srayzie removed it and banned the user. Zyklon_b got mad and flipped out. He announced GA wa sbeig attacked. His band of loser followers began helping him attack. Zyklon_b began threatening to kill our kids. Leaving comments such as "with a gun to their kids heads", and posting a video of men hunting children with guns. There were lots of other threats, and even another sub made to make fun of Srayzie. That's fine, but the background was actual photos of her they had gotten on social media. It was just too much.
MudPuddlePie ago
My question is why does Putt think that it's okay for Zyk and scumbags to threaten you and Srayzie and not do something about it? I thought he was going to do something about the QRV porn problem too?
Did Putt decide to wimp out and emasculate himself?
Shizy ago
I hope not, and I have faith he hasn't.
MudPuddlePie ago
Then why hasn't something been done? This mess should've been handled long ago. Both on QRV and you guys. This is ridiculous. Muh free speech does not cover porn and threats to family. It's just an excuse to behave badly. Those types of actions are the very things Q is fighting. What is Putt going to do about this? Nothing?
Shizy ago
Yes it should have been handled long ago. But some people around here would rather adhere to their lofty ideals instead of working to close loopholes that allow these dirtbags to thrive.
Since the expectations and standards don't seem to be equally applied to all subverse, and some get free passes to run wild, I say we follow putts Wild West suggestion and manage ourselves how WE see fit, and not how some assholes on the sidelines WANT us to be.
MudPuddlePie ago
Ok, so what does that look like exactly? What do you mods have in mind and what is expected from us? (pissed)
mathemagician33 ago
can someone just quickly explain exactly what kind of threats were levied against srayzie and/or srayzie's children/family? obviously I read the going away message but I don't know what event it was specifically that made him feel like this was the best course of action (and perhaps neccessary for the safety of children/family).
1karnia ago
If you can find Zyklon’s bio, just read his “most downvoated threads” regarding her.
theoldones ago
-a doxxing sub made against her that featured text and photos
-doxxing her
-doxxing her kids
-zyklon threatened to doxx her kids and husband if he was banned
-"i'll get your kid shot" using real photos and information from her feed
GeneralDisposition ago
A doxing sub? That's serious. V/?.
theoldones ago
it's dead now. that's how serious it was. it's gone now
heygeorge ago
Could you link to this? I didn’t see this.
This didn’t happen to srayz
Vindicator ago
True, zyklon did that to another user who turned out to be his collaborator, months before he publicly targeted srayzie.
Pretty effective intimidation tactic, don't you think? Plant the seed of what he's capable of, then later turn on the heat and start making death threat "jokes" and suicide suggestions?
That's perfectly fine "free speech" "performance art" that Voat should protect.
heygeorge ago
The short of it is, you can’t solve this via ban.
See here for more context:
https://voat.co/v/whatever/3248265
Why didn’t srayzie use the ignore button?
And I’m not trying to dump on her. I truly liked and supported srayzie. I knew she was going to delete as we were PM’ing and she told me so. She clearly misinterpreted my response, but that’s a different matter.
Vindicator ago
I would imagine because the attack wasn't merely against her personally, by an outsider with no Voat standing.
It was against her main reason to be on Voat: exposing globalist corruption involving the rape of kids. It became an administrative issue in the moderation of her subverse on the topic. After she tried to address it, it turned into personal attacks, which were also being picked up and amplified off site.
If you saw something you had poured years of your life into being torched, would you be able to keep your hand clamped over your mouth and watch it burn?
Or would you appeal to friends who had helped you before to help put out the fire?
heygeorge ago
I don’t think srayz necessarily took the advice of those she sought for counsel. Who advised her to give GA to Crensch?
I have very recently come to understand more why srayzie so much wants to believe in Q (via PM from her.)
See here, and click the archive link and/or go to the real submission to read the whole exchange.
https://voat.co/v/whatever/3248265/18899502/
heygeorge ago
Of course she appealed to her friends. I think a common thread is that srayz did not seem to be accepting of some of the advice which may have led to a different outcome. I am not sure what advice she took and what she discarded.
I can’t imagine who advised srayzie to give the subverse to crensch.
Vindicator ago
What is the point of the submission you linked? What are you saying it illustrates?
Are you saying that the only help available for people who become the targets of creeps is to have the protection of the right group of power goats?
When I see that list, that is what I see.
I also note that cynabuns deleted her own v/ReportSpammers comments when she was investigating Cuckoo 'Ruku's abuse of Voat to avoid being targeted by him like srayzie and I already had been. (Yeah, that fucker put a bitcoin bounty out for anyone who could dox me. Which I reported. To the sound of crickets). I see @Kevdude warning her it was coming.
Cynabuns self-censored to avoid being brigaded. Is that your point? Keep your head down or join the right crew and don't piss them off?
theoldones ago
dig through the exposure posts by crensh, it's in there somewhere, that's as much as i remember
to who then? i know everything from the past about the SBBH drama
mathemagician33 ago
did that happen as a result of srazyzie "self-doxxing" by posting her fb username or did other goats somehow just discover this? just curious and trying to understand how this whole thing went.
theoldones ago
they ran a sub just to collect information, in a manner that was clearly meant to direct mockery and threats at her
that sub got shutdown at the same time trig got banned
Meme_Factory_1776 ago
Mods need to adhere to safety suggestions and for the most part stay silent accept when necessary.
Srayzie said it himself he had self doxed with fb acct. That was a major failure that was his own only. Maybe I know these things from longer experience dealing with the tech world but anyways mixing or crossing types of interest per devise is not advised. Home work and political interests, (other), should all be run separately and never NEVER cross posted. And that may not be enough. I recommend consulting a security professional or education your self in privacy methods. I know it is a lot to learn and do but it is worth the effort.
GodsAngell ago
What happened?????
Why is Srayzie leaving????
theoldones ago
3-4 people from SBBH doxxed and harassed her, and one of those people was zyklon_b.
VoatsNewfag ago
Harassed yes. I don't think doxing applies. This does not excuse the threats and insults. There should likely be a rule against severe targeted harassment. But it annoys me so much that showing her profile picture or recently uploaded twitter images is somehow made out to be abuse or a form of doxing.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/dox
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/dox
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/dox
She has the same identity on twitter as she has on voat. Everything on her twitter is public.
She used her face as her profile picture on multiple websites - with her username.
Just think for a moment what the point of a profile picture is. And then tell me again that making a profile picture public is "doxing".
The entire point of a profile picture is that it's a public picture to identify you. That's the fucking purpose of a profile picture. - It's mean to be seen by other users.
How many people do you see use their real face in youtube channels? Every child and retard understands that a profile picture is a public picture that can be seen by everyone.
BaldMiscreant ago
It's not doxxing if it's public knowledge.
That being said, it's still douchebag behavior.
theoldones ago
this is what we can definitely agree on
BaldMiscreant ago
Being a douchebag still fits within the spirit of free speech, however. It turns my stomach, I actively avoid paying identifying information here as a matter of course.
Voat isn't the gated garden. It's the compost heap. There's beauty in it's purpose, wonderful things flourish as a result of it's existence, but it fucking reeks sometimes.
I recommend a bit of due diligence, and a clothespin. It isn't changing.
theoldones ago
let's just hope something even more fucked up doesnt top this capstone to things
BaldMiscreant ago
Worse has happened here. Much worse. Making a careless moderator uncomfortable doesn't even scrape the bedrock.
GodsAngell ago
Can't they be banned?
theoldones ago
Trigglypuff was, but was unbanned after a point, and probably won't do that dumb shit a second time.
Mad_As_Helll ago
See top stickied post
GodsAngell ago
Thanks, I just found it.
CerealBrain ago
Welcome then.
MolochHunter ago
agreed
my contribution on ProtectVoat :
https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3247292
GodsAngell ago
Can you speak in plain English, what is going on, and not in metaphors????
MolochHunter ago
when people obsess about 'freedom of speech' to the exclusion of all else, you invite the forces of chaos into Voat
BaldMiscreant ago
Voat is chaos, and it needs to be. If Jefferson were alive today, he'd be shit posting with the rest of us.
MudPuddlePie ago
BS...just because you can, doesn't mean you should. "Free speech" is being used as an excuse to behave badly. There is a reason morals and values are necessary to a free (speech) society.
BaldMiscreant ago
Go bounce on a fence post, punk. The first amendment is for unpleasant speech. Niceties don't need protection.
GeneralDisposition ago
I whole heartedly agree with you. History isn't written by safe spacers.
CerealBrain ago
Indeed I am. But you're lost.
sguevar ago
And we will but a new process needs to be determined and worked on that ensures objectivity and doesn't compromise the site's essence.
CerealBrain ago
Fuck off out of here back to your ghetto friends faggot.