What can be done? VITAL CHART proves that VOAT IS DYING and 33% of people and postings LEFT in the last 12 months! WHY is voat DYING? How can we make voat grow or stop dying? This is dire! Help!
Lower IQ users on voat.co (I think of them as "normies") will downvote the facts below but...
VOAT IS DYING! 30% less participation!
I feel very sad at the following numbers :
| Month |
Submissions |
Comments |
| January |
60,381 |
631,360 |
| February |
56,315 |
574,126 |
| March |
63,072 |
668,687 |
| April |
57,396 |
588,857 |
| May |
60,095 |
592,558 |
| June |
53,702 |
541,785 |
| July |
51,817 |
486,214 |
| August |
45,524 |
433,146 |
| September |
42,619 |
375,510 |
| October |
43,528 |
370,285 |
| November |
46,996 |
397,677 |
| December |
44,530 |
400,020 |
| Total |
625,975 |
6,060,225 |
Graph: Posts per month
Graph: Posts per day
source : https://voat.co/v/VoatStatistics/3587597
Some blame the paranoid feeling when the site says "what did YOU do?" and think voat.co is blaming them and blocking them in timeout perhaps.
Over half the higher IQ people have possibly left voat, as such people actively flee perceived groups of "normies" in psychology papers and books covering high IQ.
That flight will always happen regardless without a regular influx of preferentially higher IQ people.
Voat.co is very high IQ now, but it was much higher, years ago.
Evidence?
I say it based solely on the actual scientists in the far past commenting in v/Science and the actual highly skilled engineers commenting in v/Technology in the far past.
The fleeing poindexters and smartypants creates a death spiral that chases off more and more eggheads.
It used to be called "MySpace" effect, or the "Digg" effect, and now termed the "Reddit" effect. High IQ people migrate to web sites offering higher intellectual discourse.
The_Donald exodus from Reddit to here could have quadrupled voat or far far more, but toxic attacks via gay male porn flooded v/TheDonald, and they went and created a "censoring" site 10 times larger than voat called https://thedonald.win/
v/QRV, v/GreatAwakening, and v/TheAwakening brought up IQ level a bunch, but it could have been more if less overall fights and cliques.
Toxic anti-Q anti-"boomer" anti-Trump rhetoric by disenchanters has its effect in killing voat too.
It is common among primates and humans to gang up and bond together tormenting chosen group members.
The relentless attacks on Q by older goats here is unwarranted, though sometimes funny in the NPC context this year.
A few of the older goats seem to enjoy antagonizing "QTards" "Boomers" "Political heads" "Qoomers" "Knowitalls" "Qfags" etc that were flooding into their formerly semi-static space.
A token tiny percentage of Q members on v/QRV could not handle "niggerfaggot" and "kike" but for all I know, they were voat false flag plants to draw anger towards Q. I myslef had Q subversive accounts created on standby.
v/milliondollarextreme came and then went, as other reddit failed migrations dwindled.
Well I hope everyone is happy with keeping voat.co smaller and stagnating... in fact SHRINKING!
What are ideas to get users to voat without accidentally letting any real world people know you use voat personally (doxx risk). Shill the link on other sites? Shill voat.co?
I bet the ratio of CIA glowniggers to non-glowniggers is now at an all time high on voat. Hello Mr. Fed !
NOTHING else out there is as good as voat.co, or offers true FREE SPEECH as voat. I like voat.co as much as anyone, but I can read a death spiral chart.
Voat.co is DYING!
That data in that chart is legitimate and REAL.
Other sites might be enticing users away, that do not mind semi-censoring pig admins that infest these :
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/
https://www.16chan.xyz/pol/
https://www.dailystormer.name
https://endchan.org
https://nein<<removethis>>chan.com
https://notabug.io/t/all
https://nab.cx (light censorship for front page only of https://notabug.io/t/all)
https://phuks.co/
https://poal.co/
https://vnnforum.com/
http://niggermania.net/forum/ (good discussion of events on http://newnation.org/)
Who knows? All I know is the numbers in the charts do not lie. Voat.co lost 30% of its messages per day in one year of steady decline.
HOW CAN VOAT get back the 33% missing users?
HOW CAN WE BUILD UP VOAT.co?
If voat.co keeps dying from high IQ people fleeing, and Share Blue invading, I dislike the other semi-free-speech sites enough, that I feel I will just read it for v/Funny and v/News posts, not comments, and hate the universe.
THIS SUCKS SO BAD, and its so sad.
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Rasimov ago
I've had an account since alpha. I barely comment since for the most part there is rarely anything worth commenting on. It's just the same low effort shit over and over again, and a good portion of it is easily shown to be wrong if you took two seconds to google it.
Also, even though it doesn't seem that hard to do, reaching the vote threshold to have an impact on the content is hard to reach when it seems like the vast majority of the content on here is propaganda and idiots posting 4chan level posts while missing the irony of 4chan.
So, might be entirely wrong here, but VOAT is super non-friendly to new users and most content is probably created and up-voated by people with alt-accounts and bots.
oaf ago
I dare not use any account for more than a couple months, due to possibility of having my life destroyed.
Your solution is to NEVER PARTICIPATE or ever SPEAK YOUR ACTUAL OPINION.
I propose a few alts in sequence over time, that you burn and bury, that speak your actual opinion.
If you are a CEO of a major publicly traded US corp, then ignore my advice and keep "doing you" and lurk away. We will all be semi doxed via IP address trails at one point.
"non-friendly to new users"... I think so too, for think skinned females, but its a type of trial by fire. Perhaps people should insult less and act more mature, especially to new people.
antiliberalsociety ago
Okay @urp, let's just lie down and do nothing. Once again you're deleting and reposting comments that were downvoted.
https://voat.co/u/oaf/submissions
https://voat.co/u/urp/submissions
Might be time to abandon ship again I'd say
oaf ago
I dare not use any account for more than a couple months, due to possibility of having my life destroyed.
Your solution is to NEVER PARTICIPATE or ever SPEAK YOUR ACTUAL OPINION.
I propose a few alts in sequence over time, that you burn and bury, that speak your actual opinion.
If you are a CEO of a major publicly traded US corp, then ignore my advice and keep "doing you" and lurk away. We will all be semi doxed via IP address trails at one point.
"non-friendly to new users"... I think so too, for think skinned females, but its a type of trial by fire. Perhaps people should insult less and act more mature, especially to new people.
antiliberalsociety ago
Okay @urp, let's just lie down and do nothing. Once again you're deleting and reposting comments that were downvoted.
oaf ago
I've used voat longer than your 3.4 year alt you are using now called "antiliberalsociety", but NOT as long as your other older account : "Rasimov"
Yes, you are "Rasimov"
Deny it all you want, but I know its you.
antiliberalsociety ago
Kek @ your paranoia.
Takes one to know one huh?
oaf ago
I never EVER delete comments unless they go negative, and do not deserve to be negative. EVER.
oaf ago
I dare not use any account for more than a couple months, due to possibility of having my life destroyed.
Your solution is to NEVER PARTICIPATE or ever SPEAK YOUR ACTUAL OPINION.
I propose a few alts in sequence over time, that you burn and bury, that speak your actual opinion.
If you are a CEO of a major publicly traded US corp, then ignore my advice and keep "doing you" and lurk away. We will all be semi doxed via IP address trails at one point.
"non-friendly to new users"... I think so too, for think skinned females, but its a type of trial by fire. Perhaps people should insult less and act more mature, especially to new people.
Trash_Panda ago
Pretty much this. I've found a couple people that were interesting to talk to but this is like finding survivors in a zombie apocalypse. Sometimes I come back and post regularly for a month or so, and I actually do put a lot of effort and research into my posts. I feel kind of obligated to be the voice of reason because there's usually nobody else who isn't busy circle jerking.
But then people will usually just call me a Jew or a nigger until I get bored and leave, rather than actually trying to discuss the topic at hand.
Rasimov ago
VOAT is full of little edgelords and people who think some random blog post justifies their random ass conspiracy theories. VOAT is also full of some of the most fragile snowflakes who can only react by throwing some random ass slur at someone from the safety of their computer.
I'm checking in today more than I typically do since I am slightly amused by the amount of people down voting my comments like I give a damn about them. Freaking snowflakes on here can't take criticism and get butthurt the second someone pokes their little protective bubble that VOAT created by not being welcoming to anyone new to the site.
Most of the posts on here just make the users looks like pathetic little shits.
At least 4chan and similar sites can be funny. VOAT is just low effort retarded half of the time with the shit content provided by the "dominant" users and shill accounts.
antiliberalsociety ago
Hey @Rasimov Faggot,
The term Conspiracy Theory was weaponized in 1967 by the CIA as a way to denounce anyone challenging the narrative of an official report. What report had just come under scrutiny at that time? The Warren Report, investigating the JFK assassination, where a cooperative effort to investigate was robbed from the FBI & Senate, and given to a Jew named Earl Warren at the behest of a COMMUNIST NEWSPAPER demanding so. So using that term only means you can't prove your statements.
Cry harder, faggot. You're visiting on a sleeper account, bashing the site you claim to hate, and as you act like you don't care about downvotes you still feel the need to mention it. What criticism have you even offered? You never responded to the rebuttals from your other cry-mments.
Compared to what, plebbit? Where anything that disagrees gets banned by snowflake mods? I'd like examples, and not just cherry picking what I'm saying here, I want past conversations you've had on here illustrating that.
4chan has been cucked as long as plebbit; "OMG ITS HAPPENING!!! BASED NIGGER!!! WW3 ABOUT TO KICK OFF!!!' They have a larger amount of the "little shits" you're eluding to. Keep crying though, you're still here "amused" and something makes you log in to see what's going on. Did you get your copypasta to take to r/MeanWhileOnVoat?
You'd probably get more respect by presenting facts instead of whambulancing that no one likes you. It's kind of funny, in your rant that people are mean to you, you're ratting yourself out as so weak you are completely unable to counter it, in the same breath you cry about us being snowflakes lol.
Rasimov ago
lol
antiliberalsociety ago
Exactly what I thought
Rasimov ago
What you thought? You just wrote what people typically write when they pull random bullshit out of their ass to defend their beliefs that are founded on nonsense. You sound like those nutjob tinfoil hat conspiracy retards that will pull the most random blog to back their beliefs.
antiliberalsociety ago
Color me absofuckinglutely shocked you can't post a single fact. Your argument is that of emotion, like women and soyboy liberals. All you're missing is emojis.
antiliberalsociety ago
That or you just sound like a whiny faggot crying that you aren't popular...
HeebyKneegrow ago
It's always niggers or Jews. It was funny and provided dank memes but it's tiresome
Well_Deserved_Brew ago
Voat isn't especially unfriendly to new users IMO. There might be a niggerfaggot joke or an accusation of Jewry coming your way if you've drawn a lot of attention to yourself or if you've stated your account is new, but there's nothing serious intended with it. Mainly it's a test to see if you're on board with the viewpoints here and if you belong on a site that doesn't rely on censorship.
ardvarcus ago
Everyone gets called a niggerfaggot. It's a rite of passage on Voat. If you haven't been called a niggerfaggot you don't belong here.
antiliberalsociety ago
I don't trust sapling accounts, and much like the military, you are put through the ringer in that period to see if you can hack it. That being said, truth is rewarded and often won't take long to climb with regular participation. If you aren't a snowflake or pushing some leftist subversive shit, you will be accepted. The ones that cry about it usually are the above.
We were all saplings at one time, grin and bear it because it can be rewarding with the shit you learn and will eventually teach to an apprentice.
Tallest_Skil ago
This is why I have repeatedly said that lies must be banned entirely for truth to advance.
RedditSureDoesSuck ago
You'd be the first to go.
Tallest_Skil ago
Reminder that the above user worships jews.
chirogonemd ago
I think there is just a collective realization happening that all of our talk is pretty much bullshit. We say the same things over and over again, while the same things keep happening over and over again, and the rest of society parrots the same responses over and over again. The cycle keeps turning and all of our shit posting doesn't truly move the needle - therefore, it's getting boring.
Myself, I'm finding it harder and harder to get here and want to bitch about Jews continually. I've done it, and it is losing its significance. What I'm really getting at, is until something actually starts happening, people start doing something more significant than talking, it's just felt sillier lately to return to the same chamber to shout the same things. All of the so called "meme wars" and we are still about to walk right into Iran. Perhaps the better way of saying all of this, is I think the collective realization is starting to fall on the real stakes. All of the online chatter is starting to seem insubstantial compared with what reality is probably actually going to demand for anything to change.
deadvoat ago
Maybe we should just go to church?
xenoPsychologist ago
we should be fighting them instead of running from them.
antiliberalsociety ago
You've been here 2 years and completely missed the point. You aren't supposed to bitch about it here, you're supposed to take the knowledge you gain from here that's banned everywhere else and spread it to normies. Take it to the mainstream, THAT is where the challenge lies. Trying to redpill normies is the greatest challenge I've seen here, it's like They Live was a documentary. Spread your redpills and report back, THAT is what we're supposed to be doing here.
chirogonemd ago
I thought that was best achieved by bringing people here. That's how I was caught by it. That's how I've gotten others to see things from my worldview, by bringing them here. For me that has always been a much more substantial way to create change, as opposed to walking in to another echo chamber and trying to rattle off where everybody else is doing the very same thing: rattling off to be heard and to feel significant. I think perhaps you are misunderstanding the nature of the whole predicament we are in. All of the other "places" where you think you are redpilling normies, these places are inherently the problems in and of themselves, because they don't foster the sort of dialogue we mistakenly perceive that they do. For the most part, people in other forums have found themselves situated within a particular collective "dasein" if you will, each of these places has their immune system and their particular sense of in-group/out-group, I vs. other.
To me, the best thing we've ever been able to do was to make a person curious about this place, to use the psychological principle of exclusivity and the possibility that people who feel alienated by what they think might have a place where they will be welcomed. You have to make people part of a group. I just fundamentally disagree that going around throwing out data is really moving the needle, because we are past the point of any of this being strictly rational.
Like I said in my first comment, you've been "redpilling normies" for how long now, 3 or 4 years? How far have we come in that time? We are all still talking about the same things here, and in fact, the richness and participation are declining. I think you are seeing something that isn't there.
antiliberalsociety ago
I'm still learning just like everyone else is here. Bringing people here isn't the endgame, it's getting them to think outside the box. Very few people are willing to swim against the stream to find out the truth. Most are content in their lives, living out their days like sheep. This place isn't for everyone. Redpilling is a fine, delicate process that can't be done in one shot. If you link someone here, they'll most likely start shying away from you. What I do is take documents to the masses who are complaining about a certain political situation, or questioning why things are messed up. The Matrix is almost a documentary; "It's calling you, it wants to be found. It's the question that brought you here." Those personalities is what I focus on.
v/GeorgeLincolnRockwel 1965 speech on how to get political power.
Don't let the climate discourage you, BECOME the climate. I'm working on a project right now that's going to be normie friendly, and it subtly opens eyes to (((trends))) in theater. You asked how far have we come? The answers aren't on here, they're out there. Look no farther than Black Israelites, Stephan Molyneux, there's a ton of redpilled information out there because of little people like us. It's the tiny masses that makes the world turn. I never knew who Leo Frank was 2 years ago, now the ADL has to write cover stories to continue the lie, they're in panic mode, bombing and stabbing themselves to maintain victimhood status.
Don't you see it?
ardvarcus ago
At least we are saying it. Nobody, or almost nobody, else is. If we repeat it over and over, it's because it is important and bears repeating in the hope that some normies will get a clue and come back to reality.
xenoPsychologist ago
its not doing any good to be all talk. we arent even slowing them down.
Rasimov ago
The thing is, you're not saying anything. VOAT is just a giant circle jerk of the same thing over and over again and the only people really listening are the same people posting the exact same shit. VOAT accidentally created this protective bubble so people on here think they are being heard and accepted. They aren't, next to no one is hearing you.
VOAT is a tiny microcosm. There is no actual discourse here for the most part. It just mainly people spewing the same stupid shit over and over again.
There is barely any actual content here.
antiliberalsociety ago
Kind of like your comments here, you aren't really saying anything. You're just repeating your message of "whaa, VOAT SUX!"
Rasimov ago
Just look at the front page, it's just people posting bullshit idiotic shit all of the time. Posts will latch onto one conspiracy theory topic for a while and then something big will happen in the world that shows how much bullshit it is that idiotic sheep on here gobble up, and then they go silent until they latch onto some new bullshit conspiracy theory. When it's not conspiracy theories it's just low effort edgelord bullshit.
Someone goes through the effort of making an account and their first reaction is more than likely going to be "Oh... bunch of edgy dumb fuck 13 years are in here."
And if someone points it out, the butthurt little edgelords use their downvoting abilities to to hide anything that goes against their low energy tiny dick posts. So, who the fuck wants to put effort getting past that 100 thresh hold when the people who have already done that are pushing their own stupid bullshit non-stop and trying to suppress anything of actual worth.
antiliberalsociety ago
First off, you had 4.9 years to try and make it better by posting quality shit. Second, you're making a lot of assumptions and generalizations by grouping Voat & the front page as one - something that is ostracized on plebbit. Third you haven't provided fuck all for proof on anything you have said, so it's no wonder you're being downvoted. Four, you keep using subjective points with nothing backing them, "it's edge lordy!" ...based on what? Why log in if you can't handle it?
Putzmiester ago
This. I am trying to meet people in real life and stop being an internet entity all together. The time for griping on the internet is long passed, it is time to go out and meet people and make your boogaloo bois groups, train and strategize for the coming boog.
heygeorge ago
If you’ve really been around for nearly 5 years and haven’t found anything worthy of commenting on, then you missed out. It would appear you have not found anything hardly worthy of voting on, either.
But now, finally, this thread exalting the high IQ Qbits? Wow! They don’t believe in coincidence!
xenoPsychologist ago
yeah, that bit about the qcumbers really set off some red flags. they absolutely did not raise average iq around here.
Rasimov ago
Content was sparse when it was in alpha and mainly consisted of voat circle jerks and people with stars in their eyes about getting in on a website when it first started, then the dregs of humanity started posting shit that was banned (and was illegal) on reddit for good reason. Most of the first wave probably left during this time since it was mostly a mix of people not liking sudden censorship and people who got banned from other sites for being degenerates. Judging by how the content created an environment in desperate need of moderation and censorship, it was the degenerates who stuck around until the ban.
I check here every once in a while to see how it is, but it just seems to lean more towards obvious shill accounts and low effort propaganda as people leave and are replaced by bots and conspiracy theory nutjobs.
antiliberalsociety ago
I bet you can prove it, too.
And there it is. Go back to your safe space on plebbit, and remain silent there too as to avoid a ban that will undoubtedly label you a degenerate.
Rasimov ago
It's funny how much of a snowflake some of the people on here are. You talk about safe places, but voat is such a small microcosm of hive minded mentality that it's in denial about being a safe place for people like you.
xenoPsychologist ago
disagreeing with you isnt being a snowflake. into the oven with you.
Rasimov ago
Such an edgelord. This is why VOAT is dying.
xenoPsychologist ago
sustained kikery.
Rasimov ago
I like how every comment getting mad at me backs all of the comments talking about how bad this community is.
xenoPsychologist ago
getting mad at you? thats quite an assumption. i was letting you know that its not snowflakery just to disagree with you. it might be called antisemitism by our fellow white people, though.
antiliberalsociety ago
How is being open to new ideas that go outside the realm of what's considered to be socially acceptable considered being hive minded, or this place a "safe place" ? It was the stifling of truth on plebbit that gave birth to this site, which naturally gravitated towards antagonistic views from that communist shithole. You think it's a small mircrocosm, and in a sense that's accurate because truth is stifled in the mainstream, but your calling it a hive mind couldn't be farther from the truth.
We present facts that are politically incorrect. People like you sit on the outside judging it without exploring whether or not it's legit, and denounce it as "racist" or "degenerate". Without confronting all the facts, you have prejudged us which makes you prejudiced. So who's really in the hive mind?
Dkeere ago
I got a laugh out of it, thinking the qtard migration was the paragon of voat's height...
RiverWind ago
There are two problems: 1) Voat's new major shareholders 2) Voat is centralized and therefor subject to censorship. There is an alternative platform already available which is decentralized and there to support free expression: Aether.
https://getaether.net
Bring some content and have a look!
gazillions ago
Voat has way too many Iranian muslims pretending to be something else. Let them shill each other. It's fun to watch. The entire site has become "Side with Iran over Israel or else. pick me pick me" I don't like either one.
foltaisaprovenshill ago
Shit is so tiring. Fuck all sandniggers.
Maltherian1 ago
What is the culture like?
RiverWind ago
At the moment it is rational . There are quite a few normal people there. One great thing about Aetheris that it is so well engineered against brigading and censorship, which is why I suggest it. It would be very hard to censor, as it doesn't use HTTP for its messages, so they can't block an IP address and stop Aether. Also, you can't become a power mod and remain one against the wish of the users. It is worthwhile. Have a look.
oaf ago
I dare not use any account for more than a couple months, due to possibility of having my life destroyed.
Your solution is to NEVER PARTICIPATE or ever SPEAK YOUR ACTUAL OPINION.
I propose a few alts in sequence over time, that you burn and bury, that speak your actual opinion.
If you are a CEO of a major publicly traded US corp, then ignore my advice and keep "doing you" and lurk away. We will all be semi doxed via IP address trails at one point.
"non-friendly to new users"... I think so too, for think skinned females, but its a type of trial by fire. Perhaps people should insult less and act more mature, especially to new people.
antiliberalsociety ago