Its just demographics. The boomers are getting to that age I guess. An analyst pointed out there has been an average 2% rise in deaths every year for the past several years. In the US anyway.

Deaths will be way up in northern cities in the US and Canada until April. The virus will then go away in the north for 6 or 8 months. Very pronounced seasonal fluctuation up north.

I started giving my pet old person low dose ivermectin (8mg / week) and quinine (liter/day) which hopefully he will keep up for 4 months. And he’s being discouraged from running around the neighborhood off leash till then. We live in the worst hit area basically in the world, and we know several people who died at this point. I try to impress upon him that he just needs to lay low for the winter when the risk is 10 or 20 times higher than the rest of the year.

I dont know if I trust anything the government does anymore but I do trust total deaths all causes reasonably well even if I don’t trust them to categorize cause of death properly. A 17% increase in deaths all causes seems reasonable to me

It may seem important to you but the difference between 3.1 million and 2.9 million is not enough to convince people to shut down their entire society.

Yeah I get that but most of the quarantine/lockdown/social distancing measures were misapplied and largely useless —therefore unnecessary.

The only places where quarantines/school closures/cancelling large social gatherings ever made sense was with northern cities, december through march. The virus doesn’t spred very rapidly in southern warmer states. The virus doesn’t spread rapidly in rural areas. We didn’t need to apply quarantining and social distancing in those places. Prophylactic hydoxychloroquine, ivermectin, doxycycline could have been given to high risk populations. Urban “hotspots” could have likewise used population wide prophylactics to curb the spread. Lots of useful measures could have been implemented to prevent spread in targeted areas while protecting targeted high risk groups.

But no, it seems there are two equally stupid camps:

1. commie karens drunk with power who will punish anyone they can, regardless of whether it helps prevent the spread of covid, who assiduously prevent the elderly from gaining access to life saving drugs

2. Obtuse scamdemic partisans who, because they perceive the epidemic has been used as an excuse for a commie power grab, deny the existence of the virus altogether or when cornered claim “fat old people deserve to die”

Is there any other perspective besides these two options? Is there? Is your only defense against a tyrannical communist crackdown: “old people are low hanging fruit— fuck them”

Hundreds of thousands of old people were needlessly infected and this continues everyday. They are taken prisoner and held in a hospital broom closet, left to die alone, forbidden from seeing family members in their last moments. Its an atrocity. All you can say is fuck fat people. Maybe you should rethink this view.

Further, virology and disease are all rather questionably linked. The world does not work the way medical science tells you it does - they're no more correct than people using leeches to bleed disease a few centuries ago.

Agree. The healthcare system has become hopelessly corrupt. Its run by lawyers and commie social workers and bean counters and insurance salesmen. The ranks of healthcare workers are filled with midwits who don’t understand how to read a medical study critically, who follow protocols blindly and bring not an ounce of common science to their day-to-day decisions. Follow protocols, cover your ass, rinse repeat. I fucking get it. Im not impressed with state issued credetials and a whiff of scientism.

My tools are research and a bullshit detector. But I don’t deny a medical crisis exists because its inconvenient to a political narrative. One out of 500 people have died in my state. Of covid. Out of all people in the state. That could double this winter.

That could happen everywhere in the next couple years. Demand prophylaxis and otc antivirals instead of minimizing the problem.

Well look, doctors and coroners have to write out the death certificates. Then the CDC has to enter them. These are bureaucrats. It is not new that the numbers are incomplete. I saw the same thing when I looked at this chart 8 months ago. The note on the CDC page states that a study from 2016 determine the period prior to the latest 8 weeks was at least 75% complete, indicating that they didn’t just start holding back death data.

Really you guys need to account for the fact that most bureacracy is a total clusterfuck and it is a rare thing for them to be able to accomplish anything in a coordinated manner.

What is out of place is the normality of the daths by natural cause %

How are you calculating “natural cause”? You mean total - covid deaths? What table are you looking at?

You are saying deaths from other causes went up too? Covid deaths did not entirely account for “excess deaths” above the expected number. Is that what you mean?

In a previous post, an article discussed that deaths have been increasing by about 2% a year on average due to aging population— which accounts for some of the increase in total deaths. That 2% seems to account for about half the disparity I see between non-covid deaths and expected deaths, after covid is removed. The additional 2 percent or so could be due to isolation, suicide, disruption of normal timely healthcare. Or there could be a errors in diagnosis or death certificates, and those are actual covid deaths.

I suspect March deaths were a bit low (like 1%) because everyone was very compliant with lockdown initially and virtually all economic activity ceased, yet people had not started dying of covid in high numbers. A lot of people got sick in March and died in April.

Hardly anyone died of covid in the northern states like new york, Michegan, etc because northern areas are following a pronounced seasonal trend for covid just like for the flu. The north is nearly covid free for 6 months a year. The sun-belt has less of a seasonal trend for flu and the same proved true for covid. The spread there is slower and year round . But that is why deaths dropped a lot in June.

I don’t think this trend is artificial or controlled.