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Empire_of_the_mind ago

These numbers are what ends the corona virus scam. The reason you're not seeing a large increase at this part of the year, like you might normally, is that the people who would have died from flu/pneumonia this winter already caught it earlier in the year - all that happened this year was the winter seasonal flu and cold death spike was moved to earlier in the year.

Helena73 ago

Just going to copy and paste what I wrote earlier from the identical post in GA and other similar posts and Im frankly Im getting tired of people not looking closely at the numbers. Anyone who is not a lazy turd can spend 5 or 10 minutes looking at the charts cited here and see that the numbers of total deaths ARE WAY UP. Just look at the numbers people. 5th grade math.

Compare completed data from cdc each week compared to the previous 3 year average (percent expected deaths)

March through Sept. 2020: 1,828,350

The previous 3 year average (March through September only): 1,524,444

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

From mid march to mid september total deaths all causes is up 17%. Deaths for weeks past september are incomplete and artificially low. When you adjust for a long term trend of about 2% annual increase of deaths, you still have over 15% more deaths than expected.

See my more detailed math here.

https://voat.co/v/theawakening/4135945/26573927

Even the CDC page the OP linked to shows that 12 month tally for July 2019 to June 2020 to be over 3 million. And that is a 12 month interval that only includes 4 months of the epidemic.

https://files.catbox.moe/m3gm3h.jpeg

THE 2020 DATA IS NOT COMPLETE. Hello!

Not only is the month of December missing from the OPs number but the months of November and October are grossly incomplete as they state on the CDC page. Even numbers from September and August are still not complete. Its the government.

The final number will be over 3 million. 3.1 or 3.2 maybe.

Go ahead. Challenge my math. Try to find an error. Just please fucking do the math.

Empire_of_the_mind ago

I actually do know the real numbers and noticed the CDC's claim that recent death numbers lag 1-8 week, along with the claim that most weeks of the year are +100%. (Note that I don't think CDC data is worth much to begin with). The real point of highlighting these numbers is psychological - most people have no concept of how many people die every year and they're easily manipulated by various figures thrown at them - this effect is why they've been inflating deaths attributed to the novel coronavirus? It may seem important to you but the difference between 3.1 million and 2.9 million is not enough to convince people to shut down their entire society. A plague showing 2x death rates or more is what you'd need for that.

Further, virology and disease are all rather questionably linked. The world does not work the way medical science tells you it does - they're no more correct than people using leeches to bleed disease a few centuries ago. Once you lose the hubris of present-moment bias you'll see that worshipping the medical industry is retarded.

Finally, I don't care if 200k fat people die this year or next, it's only a matter of a few years difference and the health care system is going to save a mint after this year. A novel coronavirus, practically by definition, is going to pluck the low-hanging fruit from the tree. It's going to cull the weakest of the herd. Aside from a few people who got extraordinary viral loads introduced through unusual circumstances this virus only impacts people with completely ineffective immune systems. Imagine the degree of ill health needed to fully compromise an immune system against a virus from a common class you should've been exposed to dozens of times prior in your life.

Helena73 ago

It may seem important to you but the difference between 3.1 million and 2.9 million is not enough to convince people to shut down their entire society.

Yeah I get that but most of the quarantine/lockdown/social distancing measures were misapplied and largely useless —therefore unnecessary.

The only places where quarantines/school closures/cancelling large social gatherings ever made sense was with northern cities, december through march. The virus doesn’t spred very rapidly in southern warmer states. The virus doesn’t spread rapidly in rural areas. We didn’t need to apply quarantining and social distancing in those places. Prophylactic hydoxychloroquine, ivermectin, doxycycline could have been given to high risk populations. Urban “hotspots” could have likewise used population wide prophylactics to curb the spread. Lots of useful measures could have been implemented to prevent spread in targeted areas while protecting targeted high risk groups.

But no, it seems there are two equally stupid camps:

1. commie karens drunk with power who will punish anyone they can, regardless of whether it helps prevent the spread of covid, who assiduously prevent the elderly from gaining access to life saving drugs

2. Obtuse scamdemic partisans who, because they perceive the epidemic has been used as an excuse for a commie power grab, deny the existence of the virus altogether or when cornered claim “fat old people deserve to die”

Is there any other perspective besides these two options? Is there? Is your only defense against a tyrannical communist crackdown: “old people are low hanging fruit— fuck them”

Hundreds of thousands of old people were needlessly infected and this continues everyday. They are taken prisoner and held in a hospital broom closet, left to die alone, forbidden from seeing family members in their last moments. Its an atrocity. All you can say is fuck fat people. Maybe you should rethink this view.

Further, virology and disease are all rather questionably linked. The world does not work the way medical science tells you it does - they're no more correct than people using leeches to bleed disease a few centuries ago.

Agree. The healthcare system has become hopelessly corrupt. Its run by lawyers and commie social workers and bean counters and insurance salesmen. The ranks of healthcare workers are filled with midwits who don’t understand how to read a medical study critically, who follow protocols blindly and bring not an ounce of common science to their day-to-day decisions. Follow protocols, cover your ass, rinse repeat. I fucking get it. Im not impressed with state issued credetials and a whiff of scientism.

My tools are research and a bullshit detector. But I don’t deny a medical crisis exists because its inconvenient to a political narrative. One out of 500 people have died in my state. Of covid. Out of all people in the state. That could double this winter.

That could happen everywhere in the next couple years. Demand prophylaxis and otc antivirals instead of minimizing the problem.