Attention Q Reddit / r/GA Folks (whatever)

submitted ago by PuttItOut

I notice that many of you have commented (because you can barely do anything else) asking why you don't have CCP (Comment Contribution Points). So I want to explain because I feel bad that this wasn't brought to your attention earlier.

Voat limits all new accounts for reasons of SPAM. To unlock your account you must earn CCP by commenting and having others upvote your contributions. It is orders more difficult for a botnet to unlock accounts with this requirement in place and is why we use this particular method.

For example: You need 10 CCP to make a submission or send a message. You need 100 CCP to unlock downvoat capabilities.

The reason you don't have any CCP is because the moderator(s) set a particular subverse property that prevents the earning of points in v/theawakening.

This subverse property is called: Minimum CCP required to downvote and when it is set to anything but zero three things happen (which are documented in the subverse settings. This information is also displayed in the sidebar so you can see what subverses have set what values):

  1. It prevents users who don't have at least X CCP in the subverse itself from downvoating content in that subverse.
  2. It prevents all submissions from showing up in v/all (basically making the subverse private).
  3. It prevents contribution points from accruing (This is an anti-farming measure).

No one has earned points in v/theawakening since this setting was set to 5.

I hope this helps you understand why.

Edit 5:

This post has been stickied again because people still have questions. This will be the last day of this sticky, I promise.

Edit 4:

Read #3 first. So here is my argument: They aren't super web savvy and reddit/voat layout is not that bad of a tool for what they are doing. They were directed to an image board. You all know that's a big jump coming from Reddit. The natural place is here. It's your call Voat always has been and always will be, but maybe we could learn a bit from them, and them us. Think about it.

Edit 3:

I'm just going to say that the back and forth I've had tonight with subscribers of v/theawakening have been the most pleasurable I've had on Voat. (Maybe I have low standards or you're just good people). I'm voting to keep them. Can we Voat? You owe me this one! ;)

Edit 2:

As @MAGAKAG2020Q mentions below and is important to note: This setting can not be instantly switched. It is on a time delay of 48 hours.

Edit:

More useful information here: https://voat.co/v/Voat/2722975

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DamajInc ago

And we still have another 10 hours to wait before we can change it. It's not our fault that setting is still the same. We've been trying to change it ever since. Why have we had to wait 24+ hours to change that setting??

Rainy-Day-Dream ago

why did you set it that way in the first place?

DamajInc ago

It was set that way by one of us because we didn't know how Voat works and it seemed to make sense to be that way for a starter i.e. 'stop shill sockpuppet accounts from downvoting by ensuring they've at least got 5 CCP'. Now we know better. We've still got 9 hours to wait before we can fix it.

Rainy-Day-Dream ago

please stop trying to create a safe space, you could've just downvoated the shills instead, hell the broader voat community probably would've helped you do that people here hate shills but there's nothing we hate more than censorship

DamajInc ago

Agreed - we're learning that. We will change the setting as soon as we can and we're making plans to handle things the way Voat prefers. We're not trying to push censorship on Voat, we're just trying to respond to the wishes of our community and we're learning that there are accepted ways to do that here. A few of you have kindly told us where it's at so we're taking it all onboard. Things move slower here than we're used to (e.g. 48 hours before we can change a very important community setting... wow...) and none of us can even post so we're essentially muzzled, not 'ignoring' everyone as the shills keep accusing us of doing.

Rainy-Day-Dream ago

I'm going to give you a fair warning now as you lift the restrictions there's probably still a fair bit of backlash over it coming your way.

Also your mod team ought to spend a bit of time actually using the site as in the parts of it you don't control, like any normal user would and participate and contribute. That's the best way to get past the CCP restrictions organically. You also ought to encourage your users to branch out and explore the site and talk to people too.

Also idk too much about all the drama but you ought to at least try to reach out to @srayzie and try to talk out the whole split community thing. The bridge might be too burnt to be mended and there might still be issues but what harm can an attempt at conversation do now?

anyway you're off to a very rocky start so good luck, because you're really going to need it

Mumbleberry ago

Fuck off, reddit fag.

PuttItOut ago

Isn't it 48 hours? I should know this.

JoeKerr ago

I should know this.

lol

Cynabuns ago

Yes, it's 48 Hours. I just did a test on one of my subs and got this...

These settings are locked from changes for an additional 48 hour(s).

DamajInc ago

Yep it was. I could only remember getting the message at 38 hours or thereabouts. So why does everyone keep lambasting us for the setting not being changed as if we have any ability to do so? Your post here, and posts by others, make it sound like we've made the setting and are ignoring everyone telling us to change it.

PuttItOut ago

I tried very hard to not appear biased in this post while still trying to help the r/ga people. I wouldn't have to do this if the mods communicated with the sub. I did this only because it was a common frustration expressed and I happen to think a lot of these people are good intentioned just out of their element.

DamajInc ago

Is there any other way for the mods to communicate with the sub beyond posting? Something we can't do because of the way Voat is setup?

PuttItOut ago

Well I wouldn't have felt the need to mention this if maybe there was a sticky in the sub explaining it.

DamajInc ago

As it is we had to get someone else to post a sticky for us. We'd love to mention the many things we should but, as above, we can't post. I can see this point is strangely being repeatedly avoided wherever we mention it so I guess that's a clear message in itself. The 'story' here seems to be: "We keep trying to tell them to let people know and to change their settings but for 'some reason' they keep ignoring it."

Would you clarify this point for us, Putt? Can you state here that you understand that we're trying but the systems presently limit us? Can you please support our claim of good intent?

Why is there a limit of only 10 comments a day? It limits engagement so I don't understand how it's useful for Voat?

PuttItOut ago

You've never met face to face with a Russian Spam army nor the likes of 10,000 @Amalek accounts. (Old Goats will share stories you'll never wish to hear again.) These are legitimately formidable forces. Unlike at Reddit where most of their code is in analytics to limit this very thing, Voat had to use basic logic.

The less an account particpates, the higher the probability of SPAM.

The system thinks the v/theawakening subscribers are non-participants, thus likely spammers. So site will restrict you until you prove (not prove, but raise your probability) you're a human.

This didn't have to happen.

I'm not going to speculate on intensions, but I will confidently say I think the subscribers were largely victimized and confused by it.

The moderators of the sub can reach me for help. I'll gladly help with anything.

DrogeAnon ago

The moderators of the sub can reach me for help. I'll gladly help with anything.

Hi Putt - I saw your message but can't message you directly (no CCP).

Thank you for the kind offer! Is there any way you can help us reset the time out for changing the minimum CCP setting? We've been waiting for it to come up so we can change and it's recently been reset back to another 48 hours before we can change it again!

Anything you could help us with here would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

SearchVoat ago

Someone's talking about this!

'Patriots, OUR mods had a choice to remove the point restriction so we could get points to post but they chose to demod instead!' was posted in v/theawakening by @Goathole and includes this reply from @kneo24:

They purged their mods because one of them is apparently compromised. One of the guys who is now demodded claimed that someone kept changing the settings. At least that's my take on the purge.

https://voat.co/v/whatever/2722955/13865375

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Type-o-Negative ago

You guys are compromised and most of all idiots. While there is link below me to laugh at you, I will just do it here; hahahahaha!

I really hope they shut down the forum and kick you and your sorry ass group of mods out.

SearchVoat ago

Someone's talking about this!

'They just removed 10 mods from /vtheawakening but have not removed the CCP restriction.' was posted in v/whatever by @Goathole and includes this reply from @kneo24:

https://voat.co/v/whatever/2722955/13865375

Someone keeps changing settings incorrectly. And click here to laugh at them for it.

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heygeorge ago

I can never remember either. I think it’s 48.