Dear @PuttItOut and fellow voaters,
Some of you may know of me as someone who likes to troll and shitpost from time to time. This message is not like that. I am 100% serious.
I became a voater during The Fattening. I’ve been on here ever since and I haven’t looked back. I love it here. The whole community here is the best online community I’ve been a part of. I’ve been posting a lot and doing my best over the past few months to try and help smaller subs gain attraction. I think it was back in January when I discovered voat had a chat again. There were chats when I originally came to voat, but those had been removed. I went to check out chat and ended up liking it there. Over time I grew to like the people who were in chat regularly. Like @DecimateTheWeak says in the comments on this thread, it may sound kind of lame, but talking to people for months almost daily results in people becoming friends.
Back then we could post pictures inline in chat. There were two users that would spam war each other back and forth. These users were @totesmcgoats and the infamous @SaneGoatiSwear. Totesmcgoats would spam this image: WARNING: EXTREMELY NSFW. Sane would spam trannies or something. Later Putt pushed an update that removed inline images. It was around this time that the account @SaneGoatsISwear (I’ll call him fake sane in this post) was created. Take a look at this users comments. He spams the same exact image totes spammed in chat.
Fake Sane began spamming chat with some copypasta about “microwaving shit” and “nigger trannies”. This became too much for people to handle at some points so I created and off site chat (NOT on Discord). We would share the link to the chat via PM to people we trusted from voat chat so that the spammer would not find us there.
To combat this spamming, Putt implemented chat restrictions. The restrictions for each user is 5 posts per 25 seconds and no repeating the same message twice in a row. The spammer ended up getting around this pretty easily. It seems that the person behind the spam account wrote a script to spam chat. The messages would cycle between about 6 or so different messages. The messages were long and the spammer eventually started to use multiple accounts to spam chat.
Putt combatted this by having @Cynabuns ban the spam accounts from /v/whatever. This bans them from the chat as well as the sub. However, Cynabuns can’t watch chat 24/7 and the spammer just started using different accounts.
Then it happened… Putt made CCP requirements for chat. This creates a problem for multiple reasons. The spammer will easily be able to get around it. 100 CCP doesn’t take long to get and after either deleting the comments or letting them sit for 7 days, people will no longer be able to downvoat him. This thread proves that this is possible and easy to do.. However, there is a bigger issue. Like I mentioned in the beginning there are people who a regulars on chat. If you go on there daily you’ll always see most of the same people. @MightyYetGentle, who now goes by the name @Michael_Obama, is one of the people I would talk to regularly. I went to check his CCP right after I found out there were CCP restrictions at that time he was at 111. I checked a little over an hour later and he was at 82. That day he only made 6 comments. They had each garnered a couple downvoats but not enough to drop him that much. Older comments had to be getting downvoated. MYG has a lot of enemies on voat, partially because he has a little bit of a hostile personality. He seems to have been brigaded, if this is the case then it is worse than a spammer. This means if you have relatively low CCP you can just be brigaded out of chat.
Here’s MYG’s PV thread on this: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/1848550
Here’s @beatlejuiceX3 saying that MYG is “worth of D.C. Brigade”: https://i.imgtc.com/KoqJSgd.png
Here’s a very suspiciously downvoated comment (He just answered a guy’s question on image hosts and got downvoated.): https://voat.co/v/AskVoat/1845796/9035762 archive: https://archive.fo/ejUMa
So, what happened next was MYG created a discord chat. There’s a lot of people on it. Basically all the voat chat regulars are on it. Like I said in the beginning we’ve been talking to each other for months and now a group of users downvoat brigades someone so that we are unable to talk to each other in voat chat?!
Last night I logged in and saw this thread calling the Discord server a honey pot: https://voat.co/v/whatever/1856839
Look at the OP of that thread: @sound_of_siIence (note “silence” is spelled with a capital “I” and that the users only posts are about the discord server.) Guess what? @sound_of_silence (spelled correctly with a lowercase “L”) has been a voat chat regular for at least 2 months now. The OP of that Discord thread is pretending to be a different user and fucking with all of voat.
@PuttItOut, I hope you read this. Some person or group is out to get voat. Based on the popularity of the Discord posts and the site being banned, it seems that this group is winning.
If you took the time to read this huge post, thank you.
- oiseaulibre
oiseaulibre ago
Yeah, I haven't started following the SRS stuff until recently. There's a few suspicious subs and users on voat who I think are a part of something like SRS. They blend in with real users though. The subs that they mod may have some unsuspecting real users also as mods, to throw people off.
I really hope an organization like this doesn't have a strong foothold on voat, but any time I talk about this stuff I mysteriously get a boatload of downvoats.
klobos ago
I don't have time to read all that. What are you bitching and moaning about?
oiseaulibre ago
Voat is being manipulated a most of the site fell for it yesterday.
klobos ago
Welcome to the internet. Everything is being manipulated and pushed or pulled in one direction or another. An open forum like this, however ideal, allows for this possibility. We just have to hope that eventually we will win out in the end.
Remember this phrase and remember it well. "And then I remembered, I don't give a fuck." It's the internet, its current form will die before you do, focus on life.
oiseaulibre ago
Yeah, I know. I wanted to publicly let Putt know what is going on. He has either been tricked by these people or is in on it. I hope he eventually responds. I know he is busy IRL and has a full time job besides dealing with voat.
oiseaulibre ago
That's what I think it is. Many have speculated that it is SRS behind this. SRS tries to control every forum on the internet. They work their way into moderation circles. However, no one mods voat chat, so it's gone uncensored for a while. They're getting Putt to censor it for them.
oiseaulibre ago
I think a block feature would be the easiest solution. If a user doesn't want to see the spam they can block that user. Otherwise, if you make changes that hurt the users then the spammer wins.
Your terror analogy is perfect. Look at airport security now. The terrorists won.
A user has already made a chat block-user script: https://voat.co/v/ideasforvoat/1787195
HarveyHarveyJones ago
Cra. Zy.
oiseaulibre ago
Voat drama is always crazy.
Cuckbot ago
Arent you the guy who spammed v/all/ new site for weeks with shitty youtube links because of some girl drama with v/cheers? Yea youre a victim, play it up lol.
Fambida ago
That's a big complaint though. It can lead to people getting doxxed, and we all know users of this site get targeted for such.
oiseaulibre ago
I agree this is a concern, I joined it yesterday because I trusted the users. The CCP restrictions, the posts yesterday by the fake SoS, and the banning of the domain so quickly are also concerns. But, I agree people should not rush to the chat.
I didn't even know that it could lead to doxxing before I saw the post yesterday. I never had a discord account before this and I made an account with a throwaway email before the dox post anyways.
The biggest concern I have is that it does seem like someone is manipulating voat. Look at what's happening...
the spammer
the brigading of people to kick them out of chat
the fake account that gets two front page posts
those two posts are the accounts only posts
the banning of the domain (likely caused by the posts made by the fake SoS)
Fambida ago
That's another concern. A lot of folks will already have non-throwaway accounts with discord that they already use for gaming, and afaik from using it myself, you can't have multiple accounts logged into different servers.
I really love Discord for gaming, but it's not good for uses where you need privacy consciousness.
Have y'all looked into anything other chat options?
oiseaulibre ago
I know of a few other one's if I can convince people to switch again. But, I'd mainly like to move back to voat chat. A possible solution to the voat chat spammer would be a block feature. If a user doesn't want to see the spammer then they can just block the spammer and they won't see the spam messages anymore.
A user has even already created a script to do this: https://voat.co/v/ideasforvoat/1787195
o_V_o ago
This site is fucking done for.. the people here now are goddamn idiots. I hate reddit, but I fucking despise what this place has become.
oiseaulibre ago
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that post yesterday. I have a very good idea of the users behind this. Every time I mention them I get downvoated to oblivion. I hope this post gets visibility; although, all I really want is Putt to see it and hopefully reply.
Putt is a dude with a full time job and a life outside of voat. He can't dedicate all his time shifting through tons of voat drama. As a result, this may make him easier to manipulate. I think this is what's being done.
GlamourSpork ago
Thank you for explaining this clearly.
As one of the regular chatters who has made friends in chat, it's been hard to explain exactly what happened. I didn't want to lose contact with my friends. The Discord server is just a good way to keep in touch when we get brigaded out of chat (or harassed out of chat by fake accounts, as one of my friends was).
Hey_Sunshine ago
There's something fucky afoot. I wish I had the time/energy to investigate more but alas I am also a lazy procrastinator, sorry :(
oiseaulibre ago
I think voat got punk'd yesterday. It's very possible that the person behind the spammer account is also behind the fake Sound_of_Silence account. I've seen the fake SoS account in chat a few times. It seems that some person or group is trying to trick the user base. Look at how much @Womb_Raider got downvoated for stating a truthful statement: https://voat.co/v/whatever/1856839/9092482#9092482
Something is happening and I think the users and admins are falling for it.
Hey_Sunshine ago
Yeah 10 downvoats for shedding light on an issue? that there is one very dedicated individual or a group of like minded ones