Why do we consistently let this shit happen to out people? Enough is enough faggots something must be done or in a few years YOU will be rotting in prison for trying to defend your family from violent niggers
Well, they can make that argument at their arraignment. From a legal standpoint, she did everything correctly. From a political standpoint, she's white and offended a poor defenseless black girl. I give them a coin flip on staying out of prison, and 0% of ever getting their CCL's back.
Im researching this heavily. Because as a fellow gun owner and Marine Corps Infantry veteran the woman was justified in showing her weapon. But I don't know whats going to happen with her in the eyes of the law and it is driving me nuts.
If you are armed maybe. But all too often speech doesn't work because most people aren't physically intimidating and aren't in situations where violence is anticipated.
Carrying on an empty chamber is actually called "Israeli style", and it is tactically unsound.
Because you should never draw a gun unless you're in mortal danger, and if you're in mortal danger you should turn their lights out as soon as possible.
Ideally an intruder or mugger would never see your gun for more than a fraction of a second, and wouldn't hear anything at all.
Not with my Glock. Mine doesn't have a safety so I pull the trigger while it's unloaded, then put the magazine in. I don't want it to be live and something snags the trigger while I'm pulling it out.
I carry round in the chamber safety on but I understand why some people wouldn’t feel comfortable with a round in the pipe. I’m just glad more Aryans are carrying tbh. Sick of seeing them attacked and defenseless.
What a lot of people don't understand, danger won't happen at 25 yards, like at the range, where you 2 hands free to rack a slide. Danger will happen right on top of you, where you may have to have one hand/ arm up, blocking blows to your head, which leaves you one hand to draw and rack a round into the chamber.
I dislike the idea of safeties on the grounds that IF something happens it will happen so fast that you won't even think about that damn safety. Doubly so because Adrenalin is a hellofa drug.
If you’ve got a safety I agree, my glock doesn’t so I keep the chamber empty, but once I’ve got one in, I’m pulling the trigger that’s just how I’m trained. I do practice cycles frequently.
Concealed, draw/rack ~1-2 seconds (not fast, I know guys who can do it under 1 second, a few well under). Open/hip carry...around 1-1.5 seconds. Draw/rack/fire ~3-4.5 seconds. That is standing still, at a range, knowing that I'm going to shoot. Moving is, shoot, probably double that but it really all depends on the contributing factors like adrenaline, target layout, if I've been to the course/range before..that kinda stuff. I don't think I'm the fastest but I've been fast enough when I've needed to. I've gone to competitions and I've seen Men and Women Draw, and this is laser monitored and videoed, at like .015 seconds. I've heard of slightly faster but never witnessed that myself. I can't even imagine that level of discipline and speed.
Sorry if I'm preaching to the choir, but when you repeatedly cycle a round from the chamber, and back to the mag, it shortens the overall length. Over many cycle, the bullet will have lower chances of feeding into the chamber and will be at a higher pressure, which can damage your gun when eventually fired.
It's best to rotate out the top round as often as possible if you are cycling frequently.
I do get 3 range days a week so when I cycle it the ammo is usually gone that same week. That’s just my rhythm though. Some may not have as many opportunities to get on the range, that’s really honestly great advice either way.
Your finger is your safety. I was trained tactically though, I realize a lot of civilians do it different because of a lesser discipline style. But that fraction of time it takes to click your safety off or chamber a round can mean life and death in certain situations. People also don't understand that in a life and death situation, with adrenaline surging through your body, lack of discipline/training can make a person fumble or even forget to turn their safety off. They panic, start shooting and nothing happens. I've seen it too many times. Also, while you're chambering your round, I'm already shooting you. I don't know any LEOs or military that use their safety. The running joke has always been, "What do you call a person who uses a safety or doesn't chamber a round?" DEAD. But like I said, I don't blame people less confident or untrained for using a safety, if it makes them feel better then go for it. It's probably safer for those around them.
Yes I agree with that. I don’t expect to put a round in the chamber without pulling the trigger. That applies to range days for me which I get in as often as possible but at least 2-3 times a week depending on what I’ve got going on. My wife uses a .380 for her CC, and it has a safety she uses quite often but she trains to it at the range...but it absolutely does add a step and fractions of a second that REALLY impacts time to put ordinance on target. In Iraq we were always in Condition 1, red weapons free in convoys. I’ve heard some units in Condition 1, posture White or Green. I’m so glad I was never in that predicament. Even on our FOB we were Free because of ‘friendlies’. You know what I mean probably.
I’ve reduced it to this, but the side arm is in a holster on my possession and it is chambered. If it is not on my personal possession it is not chambered.
if you even remember to drop the safety. Because if you dont train enough to realize that you are your own safety, you probably dont train enough to remember to drop the safety when you need to peel off a round NOW. Totally agree. Chambered is the only way. Also, carrying without a chambered round is called "israeli carry" and id like nothing to do with that.
That is 50/50, some people agree but some people disagree.
Safety is a good reason, but also as the evidence in the video shows, racking the bullet will make a big difference in the perception of the enemy. Brandishing, as we can see here, is a good way to deter a threat.
I personally would carry with a round in the chamber, but I understand why some would not.
Yes there is. It's called a negligent discharge, and it can quickly make a bad situation worse. It takes a second to rack a slide and chamber a round. You can do it while lining up your shot with enough practice.
You can't have a negligent discharge if you keep your booger finger off the bang switch until you're ready to release the terminal-lead-poisoning injection. I carry a loaded Glock chambered and ready to go every day. Never had an issue with it accidentally going off.
Here's why you should carry with a round in the chamber.
I get your point, but it's a risk I am willing to take over an accidental discharge. Also, I live in the middle of nowhere 99% white town. I don't have much to worry about in that sense.
I have kids for one and I am forgetful sometimes and clumsy sometimes too. My wife calls me the bandaid man because every time I do any kind of project I end up slicing a part of my body or getting burnt on something.
You can have the slide locked to the rear, put a magazine in and hit the slide release and have a condition 1 weapon in 2 seconds.
You can have a magazine in with the slide forward, and racking from condition 3 to 1 in 2 seconds.
Some people have families and don't like the idea of having a chambered round in a gun, especially with Glocks and Sigs with no safety. I'm included as someone who works extensively with guns as part of my job. Most accidents happen when under stress, and a home break in is one of the most stressful things there is. You will be half asleep, getting your bearings, the last thing you want to do is shoot yourself or a loved one with people who want to harm you bearing down on you.
Lock your homes, have a good security system w an alarm and keeping a loaded, unchambered weapon is both smart, safe, and advantageous.
Slide locks are not slide releases, also locking it back is an extra step. So much can go wrong like inserting the mag backwards, fumbling the mag. Also forgetting to rack the slide or forgetting the safety are common follies of us common folk. If you're worried about children accessing your loaded gun then don't be an irresponsible gun owner with children and take responsibility for their safety. Hell, if you are actually raising your little brats then maybe you can teach them about guns and how they kill things and it's not a game.
When I first learned to use a knife, very first week of Filipino Martial arts, I timed it and was able to hit nine different vital areas on the body in under 1.5 seconds. 1-2 seconds is a long time in a physical confrontation, which is also the argument for learning to fight to fill the gap between the time you need your gun and the time the gun is unholstered and oriented towards the target.
Lol no, i mean if somebody breaks into your house. If you're carrying in a holster, that means you're awake and fully aware you're carrying a condition 1 weapon. If you're asleep at night and keep a gun in a safe or by your bed or definitely under your pillow, it should be condition 3, magazine in, slide forward, no round in chamber. A modified condition is slide locked to the rear with magazine in, so you hit the slide release and it chambers a round. Gives you the chance to fully acclimatize to the situation as you wake up and find your bearings. I've heard countless stories of guys accidentally killing their wives from an accidental discharge from trying to fumble with a gun out of a panicked awakening. Having a one second gap to find your bearings by knowingly seeking the slide release can save you heartbreak and its generally not enough time to allow somebody to get the drop on you. Having a good alarm system and a well locked house definitely gives you an advantage in these situations as well
i keep the shotgun in my bedroom with the pump half way down. i think that unmistakable racking sound is the best warning to get the fuck out of my home. but i don't want to leave the chamber empty and lose my +1 capacity.
Oh yeah that sound is golden. If I had some drunk hillbillies come banging on my door because I called their daughter a whore (she was) I racked the slide and said the first bullet is going into your car and the next two are for you. They left and never came back. I didn't want any problems and a gun is the great equalizer. The smallest woman has the same power as the rock.
My understanding is that most shotguns don't have drop safe safties so you're suppose to keep them exactly how you have yours anyways. I just keep a handgun chambered next to my bed because I don't want to advertise where I am. A lot of these criminals really don't give a fuck about your gun just like in this video she wasn't that fazed by the gun now imagine some crack head in your house in the middle of the night. Probably only like a 50% chance that they even care if you have a gun.
People that say are idiots. You're trading tactical readiness for some alleged psychological "hack". They could be doped up or jacked on adrenaline. Youll be fresh out of your sleep and also jacked on adrenaline. Now you want to start working complicated things before you shoot the guys that forcefully entered your house?? Idiotic. Keep that shit ready, locked and loaded. Flip the bang switch when you make cheek weld then squeeze the trigger a bunch.
Most shotguns arent drop safe so keeping 1 in the chamber is risky, also its not good for the hammer to be cocked for a long time, you risk a malfunction
i disagree. i don't want to always keep it in a 100% ready to fire state and i don't want to keep the safety on either. this is a great compromise and i'll have no issue moving the pump forward 2 inches in my jacked on adrenaline state.
The average human heart beat is around 60-90bpm. When they are active the top range of functional heart beat is (roughly) 200 - (their age in years). Heart beats higher than that prevent ventricular refill and lead to malperfusion manifesting as fear and being unable to act
So let's say Jamal and Bubba decide to come and culturally enrich your family. They come into the house and are pretty amped up, dry mouth, shaking, hyper sensitive. Lets say theyre at about 160bpm. Tyronequavious is raiding your living room TV while Jamal is coming down your hall. You lean out from cover and shoot Jamal in the face twice. Its violently loud and his head pink mists. Now Darknoviouss heart beat spikes to way over 200. He is shocked into inaction. Another double tap and hes done.
Bit unless you train frequently youre also going to have a jacked heart rate. Maybe close to the number where you cant respond properly. We call that "fingers turning into flippers" and you want to focus mainly on big muscle groups working in tandem instead of remembering techniques that requires fine motor skill. Grab the AR, throw plate carrier on if you can. Take a deep breath and go hunt.
Only the uncertainty of competition can elicit the same pressure as a real fight. Whether its on paper targets, a jiu-jitsu tournament, or an amateur boxing match- we must test ourselves against uncooperative people.
Ok man. Run up and down your stairs twenty times then try it. All i can say is that no professional gunfighter, from military to LE to self defense instructors, endorses or recommends this. If you want to scare an invader with a noise it should be a dog barking.
Just watched a vid by Paul Harrell and he said from what he's heard, using the sound of racking a round into a shotgun usually doesn't act as much of a deterrent.
oh yeah she barks like a motherfucker. i saw another reply of yours about "telegraphing your position and armament" - that's a really good point and you've given me something to think about.
Glad to hear it! The best thing i can do is recommend taking a legit gun fighting class from some of the big schools. Thunder ranch gunsite tactical response travis Haley. Etc etc. Shotguns are good for birds and not much else. Modern sporting rifle with a tactical light and a red dot, good chest rig with 3-4 more mags, med kit, headlamp. Its not cheap but its what our founding fathers would have done!
Negative. If youve broken into my home with my kids and wife inside to do harm, i do not want you to have the opportunity to be able to walk out. You done fucked up boy. Supressed 300blk for the (mostly) silent win. No racking, no chambering, no warning. Im getting the drop on YOU (not you, the guy im replying to obviously, the degenerate fuck trying to harm my family). Why oh why would you want to give someone a heads up? Theyre there to hurt you. Do not forfeit an advantage. Also, have a disposal plan. Do. Not. Call. The. Police. They are not your friends. You have zero moral obligation to call them.
In reality the situation may be complicated, or you may not know exactly what's going on. Yelling at an intruder to get out and proving beyond a doubt that your armed might be a good option in some cases.
If you know it's a bad guy sneaking around in your house, sure just shoot. But what if you aren't sure, maybe one of your kids is sneaking in late or something? I can think of many situations where I might want to warn first.
I personally also like the safety aspect of having a large motion required to get the gun ready, so its an easy choice for me, but I understand how people might prefer otherwise. I might feel differently if I lived in a dangerous place.
Yeah i was thinking of keeping 2 pans in my room that i could start banging together and yelling "youre gonna get shot, youre gonna get shot", going to see and then coming back to my room assembling a firearm and throwing it at them, unloaded of course, just in case they have a good reason for breaking into my home.
Not too sure about your last bit of advice. (have a disposal plan, do not call the police). Let's be honest, the sound of a round going off in the middle of the night is going to garner a lot of attention and probably have your neighbors calling the cops anyway. Also then there's your family who has to be in on the lie.
They were in your house, you feared for your life so you shot them. Castle doctrine says you're in the right.
This is how a drink kid that thought your house was his gets shot. Plenty of people are doing time for shooting a silhouetted "intruder". I agree with the sentiment though.
The only reason I could see wanting to have that sound is in case it wasn't an intruder but just someone who came home late. The racking sound gives then at least a few moments to say "Dad, it's me!"
Since you know you have to be sure of your target before you pull the trigger, and since youve got a light mounted on your defense piece, its very unlikely youd shoot a family member. Telegraphing your position and armament, as well as the risk of failing the drill and having malfunction doesnt help the situation.
There are several cases of people not being sure of their target and not having a light mounted on their weapon, and accidentally killing a family member. It is a legitimate risk.
There are things called tactical flashlights I even heard some come on those old-style pick a teeny rail’s
I’m fucking with you.And I actually agree I’m not there to deter somebody I’m there to kill them they done fucked up and I’m there to make sure justice is done
We both recognized that either side had merits and at its core was merely a disagreement of opinion while supporting the fundamental right of self defense and blowing the ever living hell out of a violent home invader.
One prefers to say "get out bang bang" the other one says "bang bang get out"
When I first came to voat 4 years ago, this was the first thing I noticed. Reddit is like a constant argument, on voat (most users) are willing to admit mistakes, ignorance, and actually apoligize when wrong.
It has to do with becoming comfortable with a handgun, growing pains if you will. I did the same thing for a few months after my first handgun purchase. I'd bet she hasn't had the handgun very long.
Or kept it “in case of” and didn’t practice firing it. Notice how her eyesight is not consistent with where the gun is pointed? Either way, she de-escalated the situation by understanding everything we on Voat already know.....around blacks never relax!!
Partially, she was trying to apologize and reason with them though. Definitely not what you should do in that situation. Record video, shut the fuck up and leave immediately.
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ketoll ago
She didn't understand "Get out of my way."
She didn't understand "Leave me alone."
She didn't understand "Stop blocking my car from leaving."
But she understood loud and clear the sound of a bullet being chambered into that handgun.
Some people don't understand anything other than physical threats. You can't reason with a violent instigator.
oneunderall ago
Smh not carrying chambered...
Tennis123 ago
Why do we consistently let this shit happen to out people? Enough is enough faggots something must be done or in a few years YOU will be rotting in prison for trying to defend your family from violent niggers
InClownWorldSellPnut ago
They got what they wanted, they got their scene, they got their attention.
selpai ago
Well, they can make that argument at their arraignment. From a legal standpoint, she did everything correctly. From a political standpoint, she's white and offended a poor defenseless black girl. I give them a coin flip on staying out of prison, and 0% of ever getting their CCL's back.
FattestConsequence ago
Animals don't have executive function, but they learn (eventually) from their environment. Keep packing boys and girls.
terminator7 ago
Violence is the only language some animals understand.
bitches_ ago
Im researching this heavily. Because as a fellow gun owner and Marine Corps Infantry veteran the woman was justified in showing her weapon. But I don't know whats going to happen with her in the eyes of the law and it is driving me nuts.
Catfishbelly ago
Niggers only understand pain and punishment not ideas or logic.
Ilisyer ago
Honestly, she didn't understand the gun either. She just stood there ooking even more while still not following commands to back off.
Tuftedtitmouse ago
That was weird to see. I would be getting the fuck out immediately if someone pulled a gun out at me like that.
cheatch ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyhfHQ_7Skg
"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst."
Reminded of that
ThisNameAlreadyTaken ago
Robert A. Heinlein! My man.
dismyassholeaccount ago
Speech is powerful because behind it is the threat of violence.
gerberlyfe2 ago
If you are armed maybe. But all too often speech doesn't work because most people aren't physically intimidating and aren't in situations where violence is anticipated.
slwsnowman40 ago
Amazing how that works.
NakedWarrior ago
You should already have a round in the pipe tho.
01001010110100101101 ago
I agree. But some people think it's safer the other way.
NakedWarrior ago
Yeah, we have a nickname for them..."Dead"
ImperialGreaseMonkey ago
Depends on the gat, but definitely preferable.
ManchesterT ago
Carrying on an empty chamber is actually called "Israeli style", and it is tactically unsound.
Because you should never draw a gun unless you're in mortal danger, and if you're in mortal danger you should turn their lights out as soon as possible.
Ideally an intruder or mugger would never see your gun for more than a fraction of a second, and wouldn't hear anything at all.
ketoll ago
Not with my Glock. Mine doesn't have a safety so I pull the trigger while it's unloaded, then put the magazine in. I don't want it to be live and something snags the trigger while I'm pulling it out.
NakedWarrior ago
Sorry, but you sound like an accident waiting to happen.
ketoll ago
By having to rack the slide after drawing? Right... it's called being extra cautious and less accident prone.
NakedWarrior ago
Well, good luck with that.
Triskele ago
I carry round in the chamber safety on but I understand why some people wouldn’t feel comfortable with a round in the pipe. I’m just glad more Aryans are carrying tbh. Sick of seeing them attacked and defenseless.
freedomite ago
Good offensive thinking on display right here. It is unfortunately a bit too much to hope for from the normalfaggots though.
SitelessVagrant ago
What a lot of people don't understand, danger won't happen at 25 yards, like at the range, where you 2 hands free to rack a slide. Danger will happen right on top of you, where you may have to have one hand/ arm up, blocking blows to your head, which leaves you one hand to draw and rack a round into the chamber.
AR47 ago
Why you practice racking without your hand, and wear long pants.
AnotherRedditRefugee ago
I dislike the idea of safeties on the grounds that IF something happens it will happen so fast that you won't even think about that damn safety. Doubly so because Adrenalin is a hellofa drug.
SitelessVagrant ago
Yup. I carry an M&P .45. 10+1, no safety.
BarbaricHamSammy ago
If you’ve got a safety I agree, my glock doesn’t so I keep the chamber empty, but once I’ve got one in, I’m pulling the trigger that’s just how I’m trained. I do practice cycles frequently.
itsALWAYStheBANKERS ago
What's your mean draw/rack/first round time versus draw/first round time?
BarbaricHamSammy ago
Concealed, draw/rack ~1-2 seconds (not fast, I know guys who can do it under 1 second, a few well under). Open/hip carry...around 1-1.5 seconds. Draw/rack/fire ~3-4.5 seconds. That is standing still, at a range, knowing that I'm going to shoot. Moving is, shoot, probably double that but it really all depends on the contributing factors like adrenaline, target layout, if I've been to the course/range before..that kinda stuff. I don't think I'm the fastest but I've been fast enough when I've needed to. I've gone to competitions and I've seen Men and Women Draw, and this is laser monitored and videoed, at like .015 seconds. I've heard of slightly faster but never witnessed that myself. I can't even imagine that level of discipline and speed.
Alt_Account_No_738 ago
Sitting in my car picking someone up from work in questionable part of town. Glock on my hip with 17 plus one in the chamber.
OogaBooga696969 ago
Sorry if I'm preaching to the choir, but when you repeatedly cycle a round from the chamber, and back to the mag, it shortens the overall length. Over many cycle, the bullet will have lower chances of feeding into the chamber and will be at a higher pressure, which can damage your gun when eventually fired.
It's best to rotate out the top round as often as possible if you are cycling frequently.
BarbaricHamSammy ago
I do get 3 range days a week so when I cycle it the ammo is usually gone that same week. That’s just my rhythm though. Some may not have as many opportunities to get on the range, that’s really honestly great advice either way.
OogaBooga696969 ago
That's awesome. I'm kind of jealous. I get maybe one day a month. Wasting my range membership...
NakedWarrior ago
Your finger is your safety. I was trained tactically though, I realize a lot of civilians do it different because of a lesser discipline style. But that fraction of time it takes to click your safety off or chamber a round can mean life and death in certain situations. People also don't understand that in a life and death situation, with adrenaline surging through your body, lack of discipline/training can make a person fumble or even forget to turn their safety off. They panic, start shooting and nothing happens. I've seen it too many times. Also, while you're chambering your round, I'm already shooting you. I don't know any LEOs or military that use their safety. The running joke has always been, "What do you call a person who uses a safety or doesn't chamber a round?" DEAD. But like I said, I don't blame people less confident or untrained for using a safety, if it makes them feel better then go for it. It's probably safer for those around them.
BarbaricHamSammy ago
Yes I agree with that. I don’t expect to put a round in the chamber without pulling the trigger. That applies to range days for me which I get in as often as possible but at least 2-3 times a week depending on what I’ve got going on. My wife uses a .380 for her CC, and it has a safety she uses quite often but she trains to it at the range...but it absolutely does add a step and fractions of a second that REALLY impacts time to put ordinance on target. In Iraq we were always in Condition 1, red weapons free in convoys. I’ve heard some units in Condition 1, posture White or Green. I’m so glad I was never in that predicament. Even on our FOB we were Free because of ‘friendlies’. You know what I mean probably.
POTUShasnoballs ago
I’ve reduced it to this, but the side arm is in a holster on my possession and it is chambered. If it is not on my personal possession it is not chambered.
Ol_Hickery ago
if you even remember to drop the safety. Because if you dont train enough to realize that you are your own safety, you probably dont train enough to remember to drop the safety when you need to peel off a round NOW. Totally agree. Chambered is the only way. Also, carrying without a chambered round is called "israeli carry" and id like nothing to do with that.
CHeritageP ago
That is 50/50, some people agree but some people disagree.
Safety is a good reason, but also as the evidence in the video shows, racking the bullet will make a big difference in the perception of the enemy. Brandishing, as we can see here, is a good way to deter a threat.
I personally would carry with a round in the chamber, but I understand why some would not.
Impasse ago
It's more like 95/5 carry with a round in the chamber unless doing so would deter you from carrying.
Tuftedtitmouse ago
I don't have my ccp but if I did I would probably not have a round chambered for safety reasons, but I can totally see the argument for doing so.
itsALWAYStheBANKERS ago
Theres nothing as dangerous as an unloaded defensive firearm.
iamabrokenbanjo ago
Yes there is. It's called a negligent discharge, and it can quickly make a bad situation worse. It takes a second to rack a slide and chamber a round. You can do it while lining up your shot with enough practice.
fuck_reddits_feefees ago
You can't have a negligent discharge if you keep your booger finger off the bang switch until you're ready to release the terminal-lead-poisoning injection. I carry a loaded Glock chambered and ready to go every day. Never had an issue with it accidentally going off.
Here's why you should carry with a round in the chamber.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVPiic-ELoM
Tuftedtitmouse ago
I get your point, but it's a risk I am willing to take over an accidental discharge. Also, I live in the middle of nowhere 99% white town. I don't have much to worry about in that sense.
itsALWAYStheBANKERS ago
No accidentally just negligence
Tuftedtitmouse ago
You can absolutely accidentally discharge a gun without being negligent. It happens, we are humans.
itsALWAYStheBANKERS ago
No. There is only negligence
Tuftedtitmouse ago
So you don't believe in accidents at all? Any accident, of any kind is negligence?
CHeritageP ago
exactly my stance
Tuftedtitmouse ago
I have kids for one and I am forgetful sometimes and clumsy sometimes too. My wife calls me the bandaid man because every time I do any kind of project I end up slicing a part of my body or getting burnt on something.
CrackerSlant ago
I saw a nigger get smokes as he racked his slide. Let's get real we are not gun fighters and need to simplify everything like a hot Glock.
iamabrokenbanjo ago
You can have the slide locked to the rear, put a magazine in and hit the slide release and have a condition 1 weapon in 2 seconds.
You can have a magazine in with the slide forward, and racking from condition 3 to 1 in 2 seconds.
Some people have families and don't like the idea of having a chambered round in a gun, especially with Glocks and Sigs with no safety. I'm included as someone who works extensively with guns as part of my job. Most accidents happen when under stress, and a home break in is one of the most stressful things there is. You will be half asleep, getting your bearings, the last thing you want to do is shoot yourself or a loved one with people who want to harm you bearing down on you.
Lock your homes, have a good security system w an alarm and keeping a loaded, unchambered weapon is both smart, safe, and advantageous.
CrackerSlant ago
Slide locks are not slide releases, also locking it back is an extra step. So much can go wrong like inserting the mag backwards, fumbling the mag. Also forgetting to rack the slide or forgetting the safety are common follies of us common folk. If you're worried about children accessing your loaded gun then don't be an irresponsible gun owner with children and take responsibility for their safety. Hell, if you are actually raising your little brats then maybe you can teach them about guns and how they kill things and it's not a game.
CouldBeTrump ago
When I first learned to use a knife, very first week of Filipino Martial arts, I timed it and was able to hit nine different vital areas on the body in under 1.5 seconds. 1-2 seconds is a long time in a physical confrontation, which is also the argument for learning to fight to fill the gap between the time you need your gun and the time the gun is unholstered and oriented towards the target.
https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=xwCl9bfz-8Y
DownRange ago
Is this a suggestion to have a pistol holstered with the slide locked back and no magazine?
iamabrokenbanjo ago
Lol no, i mean if somebody breaks into your house. If you're carrying in a holster, that means you're awake and fully aware you're carrying a condition 1 weapon. If you're asleep at night and keep a gun in a safe or by your bed or definitely under your pillow, it should be condition 3, magazine in, slide forward, no round in chamber. A modified condition is slide locked to the rear with magazine in, so you hit the slide release and it chambers a round. Gives you the chance to fully acclimatize to the situation as you wake up and find your bearings. I've heard countless stories of guys accidentally killing their wives from an accidental discharge from trying to fumble with a gun out of a panicked awakening. Having a one second gap to find your bearings by knowingly seeking the slide release can save you heartbreak and its generally not enough time to allow somebody to get the drop on you. Having a good alarm system and a well locked house definitely gives you an advantage in these situations as well
DIARRHEA_FIGHT ago
i keep the shotgun in my bedroom with the pump half way down. i think that unmistakable racking sound is the best warning to get the fuck out of my home. but i don't want to leave the chamber empty and lose my +1 capacity.
01001010110100101101 ago
Oh yeah that sound is golden. If I had some drunk hillbillies come banging on my door because I called their daughter a whore (she was) I racked the slide and said the first bullet is going into your car and the next two are for you. They left and never came back. I didn't want any problems and a gun is the great equalizer. The smallest woman has the same power as the rock.
doesntgetsarcasm ago
My understanding is that most shotguns don't have drop safe safties so you're suppose to keep them exactly how you have yours anyways. I just keep a handgun chambered next to my bed because I don't want to advertise where I am. A lot of these criminals really don't give a fuck about your gun just like in this video she wasn't that fazed by the gun now imagine some crack head in your house in the middle of the night. Probably only like a 50% chance that they even care if you have a gun.
itsALWAYStheBANKERS ago
People that say are idiots. You're trading tactical readiness for some alleged psychological "hack". They could be doped up or jacked on adrenaline. Youll be fresh out of your sleep and also jacked on adrenaline. Now you want to start working complicated things before you shoot the guys that forcefully entered your house?? Idiotic. Keep that shit ready, locked and loaded. Flip the bang switch when you make cheek weld then squeeze the trigger a bunch.
a_canadian_guy ago
Most shotguns arent drop safe so keeping 1 in the chamber is risky, also its not good for the hammer to be cocked for a long time, you risk a malfunction
itsALWAYStheBANKERS ago
You are incorrect
DIARRHEA_FIGHT ago
i disagree. i don't want to always keep it in a 100% ready to fire state and i don't want to keep the safety on either. this is a great compromise and i'll have no issue moving the pump forward 2 inches in my jacked on adrenaline state.
itsALWAYStheBANKERS ago
Since youre receptive to learning....
The average human heart beat is around 60-90bpm. When they are active the top range of functional heart beat is (roughly) 200 - (their age in years). Heart beats higher than that prevent ventricular refill and lead to malperfusion manifesting as fear and being unable to act
So let's say Jamal and Bubba decide to come and culturally enrich your family. They come into the house and are pretty amped up, dry mouth, shaking, hyper sensitive. Lets say theyre at about 160bpm. Tyronequavious is raiding your living room TV while Jamal is coming down your hall. You lean out from cover and shoot Jamal in the face twice. Its violently loud and his head pink mists. Now Darknoviouss heart beat spikes to way over 200. He is shocked into inaction. Another double tap and hes done.
Bit unless you train frequently youre also going to have a jacked heart rate. Maybe close to the number where you cant respond properly. We call that "fingers turning into flippers" and you want to focus mainly on big muscle groups working in tandem instead of remembering techniques that requires fine motor skill. Grab the AR, throw plate carrier on if you can. Take a deep breath and go hunt.
ManchesterT ago
You have to also compete.
Only the uncertainty of competition can elicit the same pressure as a real fight. Whether its on paper targets, a jiu-jitsu tournament, or an amateur boxing match- we must test ourselves against uncooperative people.
itsALWAYStheBANKERS ago
Ok man. Run up and down your stairs twenty times then try it. All i can say is that no professional gunfighter, from military to LE to self defense instructors, endorses or recommends this. If you want to scare an invader with a noise it should be a dog barking.
TripleZ ago
Just watched a vid by Paul Harrell and he said from what he's heard, using the sound of racking a round into a shotgun usually doesn't act as much of a deterrent.
Phantom42 ago
I've heard Jericho sirens work wonders against French and communists.
DIARRHEA_FIGHT ago
oh yeah she barks like a motherfucker. i saw another reply of yours about "telegraphing your position and armament" - that's a really good point and you've given me something to think about.
itsALWAYStheBANKERS ago
Glad to hear it! The best thing i can do is recommend taking a legit gun fighting class from some of the big schools. Thunder ranch gunsite tactical response travis Haley. Etc etc. Shotguns are good for birds and not much else. Modern sporting rifle with a tactical light and a red dot, good chest rig with 3-4 more mags, med kit, headlamp. Its not cheap but its what our founding fathers would have done!
CHeritageP ago
Absolutely 10000% valid.
The shotgun racking sound is exactly what I was thinking.
Shotinthedark ago
It just alerts me to the fact that you have a gun and in what room that gun is in. No I know to shoot first and rape your family second.
Ol_Hickery ago
Negative. If youve broken into my home with my kids and wife inside to do harm, i do not want you to have the opportunity to be able to walk out. You done fucked up boy. Supressed 300blk for the (mostly) silent win. No racking, no chambering, no warning. Im getting the drop on YOU (not you, the guy im replying to obviously, the degenerate fuck trying to harm my family). Why oh why would you want to give someone a heads up? Theyre there to hurt you. Do not forfeit an advantage. Also, have a disposal plan. Do. Not. Call. The. Police. They are not your friends. You have zero moral obligation to call them.
Maker_Wolf ago
In reality the situation may be complicated, or you may not know exactly what's going on. Yelling at an intruder to get out and proving beyond a doubt that your armed might be a good option in some cases.
If you know it's a bad guy sneaking around in your house, sure just shoot. But what if you aren't sure, maybe one of your kids is sneaking in late or something? I can think of many situations where I might want to warn first.
I personally also like the safety aspect of having a large motion required to get the gun ready, so its an easy choice for me, but I understand how people might prefer otherwise. I might feel differently if I lived in a dangerous place.
Ol_Hickery ago
Yeah i was thinking of keeping 2 pans in my room that i could start banging together and yelling "youre gonna get shot, youre gonna get shot", going to see and then coming back to my room assembling a firearm and throwing it at them, unloaded of course, just in case they have a good reason for breaking into my home.
Airborne_Hillbilly ago
Yep. 100% if you enter my house at night, without being invited, while I sleep-you die before you realize you done fucked up.
TripleZ ago
Not too sure about your last bit of advice. (have a disposal plan, do not call the police). Let's be honest, the sound of a round going off in the middle of the night is going to garner a lot of attention and probably have your neighbors calling the cops anyway. Also then there's your family who has to be in on the lie.
They were in your house, you feared for your life so you shot them. Castle doctrine says you're in the right.
Literally-Oppressed ago
This is how a drink kid that thought your house was his gets shot. Plenty of people are doing time for shooting a silhouetted "intruder". I agree with the sentiment though.
whyamIevenhere ago
The only reason I could see wanting to have that sound is in case it wasn't an intruder but just someone who came home late. The racking sound gives then at least a few moments to say "Dad, it's me!"
ManchesterT ago
There's no "dad it's me". You don't shoot through doors or at darkened silhouettes.
You shoot verified threats only.
itsALWAYStheBANKERS ago
Since you know you have to be sure of your target before you pull the trigger, and since youve got a light mounted on your defense piece, its very unlikely youd shoot a family member. Telegraphing your position and armament, as well as the risk of failing the drill and having malfunction doesnt help the situation.
whyamIevenhere ago
There are several cases of people not being sure of their target and not having a light mounted on their weapon, and accidentally killing a family member. It is a legitimate risk.
itsALWAYStheBANKERS ago
Problem solved with a WML and adequate training. Buying a gun doesnt make you a gun fighter. High quality kit and high quality training can help.
Ol_Hickery ago
Fair enough, my kids are too small for that right now. Either way, you shouldnt be putting rounds in a target without knowing if it is a valid target.
POTUShasnoballs ago
There are things called tactical flashlights I even heard some come on those old-style pick a teeny rail’s
I’m fucking with you.And I actually agree I’m not there to deter somebody I’m there to kill them they done fucked up and I’m there to make sure justice is done
CHeritageP ago
You realize your argument is just a personal opinion and not fact right?
Ol_Hickery ago
Yes, 100%. But so is yours.
AnotherRedditRefugee ago
Wow, that was way more civil then i expect from voat. What the hell is going on here.
Phantom42 ago
I really have no idea. Fuck you though.
AnotherRedditRefugee ago
Ah that's better, I feel like I'm home again.
And fuck you niggerfaggot.
CHeritageP ago
We both recognized that either side had merits and at its core was merely a disagreement of opinion while supporting the fundamental right of self defense and blowing the ever living hell out of a violent home invader.
One prefers to say "get out bang bang" the other one says "bang bang get out"
:D
Tuftedtitmouse ago
When I first came to voat 4 years ago, this was the first thing I noticed. Reddit is like a constant argument, on voat (most users) are willing to admit mistakes, ignorance, and actually apoligize when wrong.
reddigee ago
It's almost like civility it's defined by how PC you are or how much you tow the party line.
You dumb faggot.
Ol_Hickery ago
Clownworld friend. Its fucking clownworld. Haha. Hope all is well in your world.
Valcgo ago
It has to do with becoming comfortable with a handgun, growing pains if you will. I did the same thing for a few months after my first handgun purchase. I'd bet she hasn't had the handgun very long.
NoseSubversion ago
Or kept it “in case of” and didn’t practice firing it. Notice how her eyesight is not consistent with where the gun is pointed? Either way, she de-escalated the situation by understanding everything we on Voat already know.....around blacks never relax!!
Tuftedtitmouse ago
Partially, she was trying to apologize and reason with them though. Definitely not what you should do in that situation. Record video, shut the fuck up and leave immediately.
RoBatten ago
That short time could mean your life. Weapon ready to fire, safety on. Or Glock . . .
CallingOutBsWeWoWeWo ago
I have a trigger safety 9. I get anxious with one in the pipe. Always concerned I'm gonna blow my dick off. I must be a kike for Israeli Carry =[
DIARRHEA_FIGHT ago
Weapon ready to fire, heavy DA pull, safety off
Captian_Awesome ago
Sounds like a Springfield xde. 10+1 with all the benefits of a revolver.
adamantium_erection ago
nigs gonna nog
anon8ewqrer ago
Disappointed no nigs got nogged
shmuklidooha ago
Goodification
bitches_ ago
nigs should of been nogged