If you’ve got a safety I agree, my glock doesn’t so I keep the chamber empty, but once I’ve got one in, I’m pulling the trigger that’s just how I’m trained. I do practice cycles frequently.
Concealed, draw/rack ~1-2 seconds (not fast, I know guys who can do it under 1 second, a few well under). Open/hip carry...around 1-1.5 seconds. Draw/rack/fire ~3-4.5 seconds. That is standing still, at a range, knowing that I'm going to shoot. Moving is, shoot, probably double that but it really all depends on the contributing factors like adrenaline, target layout, if I've been to the course/range before..that kinda stuff. I don't think I'm the fastest but I've been fast enough when I've needed to. I've gone to competitions and I've seen Men and Women Draw, and this is laser monitored and videoed, at like .015 seconds. I've heard of slightly faster but never witnessed that myself. I can't even imagine that level of discipline and speed.
Sorry if I'm preaching to the choir, but when you repeatedly cycle a round from the chamber, and back to the mag, it shortens the overall length. Over many cycle, the bullet will have lower chances of feeding into the chamber and will be at a higher pressure, which can damage your gun when eventually fired.
It's best to rotate out the top round as often as possible if you are cycling frequently.
I do get 3 range days a week so when I cycle it the ammo is usually gone that same week. That’s just my rhythm though. Some may not have as many opportunities to get on the range, that’s really honestly great advice either way.
Your finger is your safety. I was trained tactically though, I realize a lot of civilians do it different because of a lesser discipline style. But that fraction of time it takes to click your safety off or chamber a round can mean life and death in certain situations. People also don't understand that in a life and death situation, with adrenaline surging through your body, lack of discipline/training can make a person fumble or even forget to turn their safety off. They panic, start shooting and nothing happens. I've seen it too many times. Also, while you're chambering your round, I'm already shooting you. I don't know any LEOs or military that use their safety. The running joke has always been, "What do you call a person who uses a safety or doesn't chamber a round?" DEAD. But like I said, I don't blame people less confident or untrained for using a safety, if it makes them feel better then go for it. It's probably safer for those around them.
Yes I agree with that. I don’t expect to put a round in the chamber without pulling the trigger. That applies to range days for me which I get in as often as possible but at least 2-3 times a week depending on what I’ve got going on. My wife uses a .380 for her CC, and it has a safety she uses quite often but she trains to it at the range...but it absolutely does add a step and fractions of a second that REALLY impacts time to put ordinance on target. In Iraq we were always in Condition 1, red weapons free in convoys. I’ve heard some units in Condition 1, posture White or Green. I’m so glad I was never in that predicament. Even on our FOB we were Free because of ‘friendlies’. You know what I mean probably.
I’ve reduced it to this, but the side arm is in a holster on my possession and it is chambered. If it is not on my personal possession it is not chambered.
if you even remember to drop the safety. Because if you dont train enough to realize that you are your own safety, you probably dont train enough to remember to drop the safety when you need to peel off a round NOW. Totally agree. Chambered is the only way. Also, carrying without a chambered round is called "israeli carry" and id like nothing to do with that.
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ketoll ago
She didn't understand "Get out of my way."
She didn't understand "Leave me alone."
She didn't understand "Stop blocking my car from leaving."
But she understood loud and clear the sound of a bullet being chambered into that handgun.
Some people don't understand anything other than physical threats. You can't reason with a violent instigator.
NakedWarrior ago
You should already have a round in the pipe tho.
BarbaricHamSammy ago
If you’ve got a safety I agree, my glock doesn’t so I keep the chamber empty, but once I’ve got one in, I’m pulling the trigger that’s just how I’m trained. I do practice cycles frequently.
itsALWAYStheBANKERS ago
What's your mean draw/rack/first round time versus draw/first round time?
BarbaricHamSammy ago
Concealed, draw/rack ~1-2 seconds (not fast, I know guys who can do it under 1 second, a few well under). Open/hip carry...around 1-1.5 seconds. Draw/rack/fire ~3-4.5 seconds. That is standing still, at a range, knowing that I'm going to shoot. Moving is, shoot, probably double that but it really all depends on the contributing factors like adrenaline, target layout, if I've been to the course/range before..that kinda stuff. I don't think I'm the fastest but I've been fast enough when I've needed to. I've gone to competitions and I've seen Men and Women Draw, and this is laser monitored and videoed, at like .015 seconds. I've heard of slightly faster but never witnessed that myself. I can't even imagine that level of discipline and speed.
Alt_Account_No_738 ago
Sitting in my car picking someone up from work in questionable part of town. Glock on my hip with 17 plus one in the chamber.
OogaBooga696969 ago
Sorry if I'm preaching to the choir, but when you repeatedly cycle a round from the chamber, and back to the mag, it shortens the overall length. Over many cycle, the bullet will have lower chances of feeding into the chamber and will be at a higher pressure, which can damage your gun when eventually fired.
It's best to rotate out the top round as often as possible if you are cycling frequently.
BarbaricHamSammy ago
I do get 3 range days a week so when I cycle it the ammo is usually gone that same week. That’s just my rhythm though. Some may not have as many opportunities to get on the range, that’s really honestly great advice either way.
OogaBooga696969 ago
That's awesome. I'm kind of jealous. I get maybe one day a month. Wasting my range membership...
NakedWarrior ago
Your finger is your safety. I was trained tactically though, I realize a lot of civilians do it different because of a lesser discipline style. But that fraction of time it takes to click your safety off or chamber a round can mean life and death in certain situations. People also don't understand that in a life and death situation, with adrenaline surging through your body, lack of discipline/training can make a person fumble or even forget to turn their safety off. They panic, start shooting and nothing happens. I've seen it too many times. Also, while you're chambering your round, I'm already shooting you. I don't know any LEOs or military that use their safety. The running joke has always been, "What do you call a person who uses a safety or doesn't chamber a round?" DEAD. But like I said, I don't blame people less confident or untrained for using a safety, if it makes them feel better then go for it. It's probably safer for those around them.
BarbaricHamSammy ago
Yes I agree with that. I don’t expect to put a round in the chamber without pulling the trigger. That applies to range days for me which I get in as often as possible but at least 2-3 times a week depending on what I’ve got going on. My wife uses a .380 for her CC, and it has a safety she uses quite often but she trains to it at the range...but it absolutely does add a step and fractions of a second that REALLY impacts time to put ordinance on target. In Iraq we were always in Condition 1, red weapons free in convoys. I’ve heard some units in Condition 1, posture White or Green. I’m so glad I was never in that predicament. Even on our FOB we were Free because of ‘friendlies’. You know what I mean probably.
POTUShasnoballs ago
I’ve reduced it to this, but the side arm is in a holster on my possession and it is chambered. If it is not on my personal possession it is not chambered.
Ol_Hickery ago
if you even remember to drop the safety. Because if you dont train enough to realize that you are your own safety, you probably dont train enough to remember to drop the safety when you need to peel off a round NOW. Totally agree. Chambered is the only way. Also, carrying without a chambered round is called "israeli carry" and id like nothing to do with that.