That is 50/50, some people agree but some people disagree.
Safety is a good reason, but also as the evidence in the video shows, racking the bullet will make a big difference in the perception of the enemy. Brandishing, as we can see here, is a good way to deter a threat.
I personally would carry with a round in the chamber, but I understand why some would not.
i keep the shotgun in my bedroom with the pump half way down. i think that unmistakable racking sound is the best warning to get the fuck out of my home. but i don't want to leave the chamber empty and lose my +1 capacity.
Oh yeah that sound is golden. If I had some drunk hillbillies come banging on my door because I called their daughter a whore (she was) I racked the slide and said the first bullet is going into your car and the next two are for you. They left and never came back. I didn't want any problems and a gun is the great equalizer. The smallest woman has the same power as the rock.
My understanding is that most shotguns don't have drop safe safties so you're suppose to keep them exactly how you have yours anyways. I just keep a handgun chambered next to my bed because I don't want to advertise where I am. A lot of these criminals really don't give a fuck about your gun just like in this video she wasn't that fazed by the gun now imagine some crack head in your house in the middle of the night. Probably only like a 50% chance that they even care if you have a gun.
People that say are idiots. You're trading tactical readiness for some alleged psychological "hack". They could be doped up or jacked on adrenaline. Youll be fresh out of your sleep and also jacked on adrenaline. Now you want to start working complicated things before you shoot the guys that forcefully entered your house?? Idiotic. Keep that shit ready, locked and loaded. Flip the bang switch when you make cheek weld then squeeze the trigger a bunch.
Most shotguns arent drop safe so keeping 1 in the chamber is risky, also its not good for the hammer to be cocked for a long time, you risk a malfunction
i disagree. i don't want to always keep it in a 100% ready to fire state and i don't want to keep the safety on either. this is a great compromise and i'll have no issue moving the pump forward 2 inches in my jacked on adrenaline state.
The average human heart beat is around 60-90bpm. When they are active the top range of functional heart beat is (roughly) 200 - (their age in years). Heart beats higher than that prevent ventricular refill and lead to malperfusion manifesting as fear and being unable to act
So let's say Jamal and Bubba decide to come and culturally enrich your family. They come into the house and are pretty amped up, dry mouth, shaking, hyper sensitive. Lets say theyre at about 160bpm. Tyronequavious is raiding your living room TV while Jamal is coming down your hall. You lean out from cover and shoot Jamal in the face twice. Its violently loud and his head pink mists. Now Darknoviouss heart beat spikes to way over 200. He is shocked into inaction. Another double tap and hes done.
Bit unless you train frequently youre also going to have a jacked heart rate. Maybe close to the number where you cant respond properly. We call that "fingers turning into flippers" and you want to focus mainly on big muscle groups working in tandem instead of remembering techniques that requires fine motor skill. Grab the AR, throw plate carrier on if you can. Take a deep breath and go hunt.
Only the uncertainty of competition can elicit the same pressure as a real fight. Whether its on paper targets, a jiu-jitsu tournament, or an amateur boxing match- we must test ourselves against uncooperative people.
Ok man. Run up and down your stairs twenty times then try it. All i can say is that no professional gunfighter, from military to LE to self defense instructors, endorses or recommends this. If you want to scare an invader with a noise it should be a dog barking.
Just watched a vid by Paul Harrell and he said from what he's heard, using the sound of racking a round into a shotgun usually doesn't act as much of a deterrent.
oh yeah she barks like a motherfucker. i saw another reply of yours about "telegraphing your position and armament" - that's a really good point and you've given me something to think about.
Glad to hear it! The best thing i can do is recommend taking a legit gun fighting class from some of the big schools. Thunder ranch gunsite tactical response travis Haley. Etc etc. Shotguns are good for birds and not much else. Modern sporting rifle with a tactical light and a red dot, good chest rig with 3-4 more mags, med kit, headlamp. Its not cheap but its what our founding fathers would have done!
Negative. If youve broken into my home with my kids and wife inside to do harm, i do not want you to have the opportunity to be able to walk out. You done fucked up boy. Supressed 300blk for the (mostly) silent win. No racking, no chambering, no warning. Im getting the drop on YOU (not you, the guy im replying to obviously, the degenerate fuck trying to harm my family). Why oh why would you want to give someone a heads up? Theyre there to hurt you. Do not forfeit an advantage. Also, have a disposal plan. Do. Not. Call. The. Police. They are not your friends. You have zero moral obligation to call them.
In reality the situation may be complicated, or you may not know exactly what's going on. Yelling at an intruder to get out and proving beyond a doubt that your armed might be a good option in some cases.
If you know it's a bad guy sneaking around in your house, sure just shoot. But what if you aren't sure, maybe one of your kids is sneaking in late or something? I can think of many situations where I might want to warn first.
I personally also like the safety aspect of having a large motion required to get the gun ready, so its an easy choice for me, but I understand how people might prefer otherwise. I might feel differently if I lived in a dangerous place.
Yeah i was thinking of keeping 2 pans in my room that i could start banging together and yelling "youre gonna get shot, youre gonna get shot", going to see and then coming back to my room assembling a firearm and throwing it at them, unloaded of course, just in case they have a good reason for breaking into my home.
Not too sure about your last bit of advice. (have a disposal plan, do not call the police). Let's be honest, the sound of a round going off in the middle of the night is going to garner a lot of attention and probably have your neighbors calling the cops anyway. Also then there's your family who has to be in on the lie.
They were in your house, you feared for your life so you shot them. Castle doctrine says you're in the right.
This is how a drink kid that thought your house was his gets shot. Plenty of people are doing time for shooting a silhouetted "intruder". I agree with the sentiment though.
The only reason I could see wanting to have that sound is in case it wasn't an intruder but just someone who came home late. The racking sound gives then at least a few moments to say "Dad, it's me!"
Since you know you have to be sure of your target before you pull the trigger, and since youve got a light mounted on your defense piece, its very unlikely youd shoot a family member. Telegraphing your position and armament, as well as the risk of failing the drill and having malfunction doesnt help the situation.
There are several cases of people not being sure of their target and not having a light mounted on their weapon, and accidentally killing a family member. It is a legitimate risk.
There are things called tactical flashlights I even heard some come on those old-style pick a teeny rail’s
I’m fucking with you.And I actually agree I’m not there to deter somebody I’m there to kill them they done fucked up and I’m there to make sure justice is done
We both recognized that either side had merits and at its core was merely a disagreement of opinion while supporting the fundamental right of self defense and blowing the ever living hell out of a violent home invader.
One prefers to say "get out bang bang" the other one says "bang bang get out"
When I first came to voat 4 years ago, this was the first thing I noticed. Reddit is like a constant argument, on voat (most users) are willing to admit mistakes, ignorance, and actually apoligize when wrong.
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ketoll ago
She didn't understand "Get out of my way."
She didn't understand "Leave me alone."
She didn't understand "Stop blocking my car from leaving."
But she understood loud and clear the sound of a bullet being chambered into that handgun.
Some people don't understand anything other than physical threats. You can't reason with a violent instigator.
NakedWarrior ago
You should already have a round in the pipe tho.
CHeritageP ago
That is 50/50, some people agree but some people disagree.
Safety is a good reason, but also as the evidence in the video shows, racking the bullet will make a big difference in the perception of the enemy. Brandishing, as we can see here, is a good way to deter a threat.
I personally would carry with a round in the chamber, but I understand why some would not.
DIARRHEA_FIGHT ago
i keep the shotgun in my bedroom with the pump half way down. i think that unmistakable racking sound is the best warning to get the fuck out of my home. but i don't want to leave the chamber empty and lose my +1 capacity.
01001010110100101101 ago
Oh yeah that sound is golden. If I had some drunk hillbillies come banging on my door because I called their daughter a whore (she was) I racked the slide and said the first bullet is going into your car and the next two are for you. They left and never came back. I didn't want any problems and a gun is the great equalizer. The smallest woman has the same power as the rock.
doesntgetsarcasm ago
My understanding is that most shotguns don't have drop safe safties so you're suppose to keep them exactly how you have yours anyways. I just keep a handgun chambered next to my bed because I don't want to advertise where I am. A lot of these criminals really don't give a fuck about your gun just like in this video she wasn't that fazed by the gun now imagine some crack head in your house in the middle of the night. Probably only like a 50% chance that they even care if you have a gun.
itsALWAYStheBANKERS ago
People that say are idiots. You're trading tactical readiness for some alleged psychological "hack". They could be doped up or jacked on adrenaline. Youll be fresh out of your sleep and also jacked on adrenaline. Now you want to start working complicated things before you shoot the guys that forcefully entered your house?? Idiotic. Keep that shit ready, locked and loaded. Flip the bang switch when you make cheek weld then squeeze the trigger a bunch.
a_canadian_guy ago
Most shotguns arent drop safe so keeping 1 in the chamber is risky, also its not good for the hammer to be cocked for a long time, you risk a malfunction
itsALWAYStheBANKERS ago
You are incorrect
DIARRHEA_FIGHT ago
i disagree. i don't want to always keep it in a 100% ready to fire state and i don't want to keep the safety on either. this is a great compromise and i'll have no issue moving the pump forward 2 inches in my jacked on adrenaline state.
itsALWAYStheBANKERS ago
Since youre receptive to learning....
The average human heart beat is around 60-90bpm. When they are active the top range of functional heart beat is (roughly) 200 - (their age in years). Heart beats higher than that prevent ventricular refill and lead to malperfusion manifesting as fear and being unable to act
So let's say Jamal and Bubba decide to come and culturally enrich your family. They come into the house and are pretty amped up, dry mouth, shaking, hyper sensitive. Lets say theyre at about 160bpm. Tyronequavious is raiding your living room TV while Jamal is coming down your hall. You lean out from cover and shoot Jamal in the face twice. Its violently loud and his head pink mists. Now Darknoviouss heart beat spikes to way over 200. He is shocked into inaction. Another double tap and hes done.
Bit unless you train frequently youre also going to have a jacked heart rate. Maybe close to the number where you cant respond properly. We call that "fingers turning into flippers" and you want to focus mainly on big muscle groups working in tandem instead of remembering techniques that requires fine motor skill. Grab the AR, throw plate carrier on if you can. Take a deep breath and go hunt.
ManchesterT ago
You have to also compete.
Only the uncertainty of competition can elicit the same pressure as a real fight. Whether its on paper targets, a jiu-jitsu tournament, or an amateur boxing match- we must test ourselves against uncooperative people.
itsALWAYStheBANKERS ago
Ok man. Run up and down your stairs twenty times then try it. All i can say is that no professional gunfighter, from military to LE to self defense instructors, endorses or recommends this. If you want to scare an invader with a noise it should be a dog barking.
TripleZ ago
Just watched a vid by Paul Harrell and he said from what he's heard, using the sound of racking a round into a shotgun usually doesn't act as much of a deterrent.
Phantom42 ago
I've heard Jericho sirens work wonders against French and communists.
DIARRHEA_FIGHT ago
oh yeah she barks like a motherfucker. i saw another reply of yours about "telegraphing your position and armament" - that's a really good point and you've given me something to think about.
itsALWAYStheBANKERS ago
Glad to hear it! The best thing i can do is recommend taking a legit gun fighting class from some of the big schools. Thunder ranch gunsite tactical response travis Haley. Etc etc. Shotguns are good for birds and not much else. Modern sporting rifle with a tactical light and a red dot, good chest rig with 3-4 more mags, med kit, headlamp. Its not cheap but its what our founding fathers would have done!
CHeritageP ago
Absolutely 10000% valid.
The shotgun racking sound is exactly what I was thinking.
Shotinthedark ago
It just alerts me to the fact that you have a gun and in what room that gun is in. No I know to shoot first and rape your family second.
Ol_Hickery ago
Negative. If youve broken into my home with my kids and wife inside to do harm, i do not want you to have the opportunity to be able to walk out. You done fucked up boy. Supressed 300blk for the (mostly) silent win. No racking, no chambering, no warning. Im getting the drop on YOU (not you, the guy im replying to obviously, the degenerate fuck trying to harm my family). Why oh why would you want to give someone a heads up? Theyre there to hurt you. Do not forfeit an advantage. Also, have a disposal plan. Do. Not. Call. The. Police. They are not your friends. You have zero moral obligation to call them.
Maker_Wolf ago
In reality the situation may be complicated, or you may not know exactly what's going on. Yelling at an intruder to get out and proving beyond a doubt that your armed might be a good option in some cases.
If you know it's a bad guy sneaking around in your house, sure just shoot. But what if you aren't sure, maybe one of your kids is sneaking in late or something? I can think of many situations where I might want to warn first.
I personally also like the safety aspect of having a large motion required to get the gun ready, so its an easy choice for me, but I understand how people might prefer otherwise. I might feel differently if I lived in a dangerous place.
Ol_Hickery ago
Yeah i was thinking of keeping 2 pans in my room that i could start banging together and yelling "youre gonna get shot, youre gonna get shot", going to see and then coming back to my room assembling a firearm and throwing it at them, unloaded of course, just in case they have a good reason for breaking into my home.
Airborne_Hillbilly ago
Yep. 100% if you enter my house at night, without being invited, while I sleep-you die before you realize you done fucked up.
TripleZ ago
Not too sure about your last bit of advice. (have a disposal plan, do not call the police). Let's be honest, the sound of a round going off in the middle of the night is going to garner a lot of attention and probably have your neighbors calling the cops anyway. Also then there's your family who has to be in on the lie.
They were in your house, you feared for your life so you shot them. Castle doctrine says you're in the right.
Literally-Oppressed ago
This is how a drink kid that thought your house was his gets shot. Plenty of people are doing time for shooting a silhouetted "intruder". I agree with the sentiment though.
whyamIevenhere ago
The only reason I could see wanting to have that sound is in case it wasn't an intruder but just someone who came home late. The racking sound gives then at least a few moments to say "Dad, it's me!"
ManchesterT ago
There's no "dad it's me". You don't shoot through doors or at darkened silhouettes.
You shoot verified threats only.
itsALWAYStheBANKERS ago
Since you know you have to be sure of your target before you pull the trigger, and since youve got a light mounted on your defense piece, its very unlikely youd shoot a family member. Telegraphing your position and armament, as well as the risk of failing the drill and having malfunction doesnt help the situation.
whyamIevenhere ago
There are several cases of people not being sure of their target and not having a light mounted on their weapon, and accidentally killing a family member. It is a legitimate risk.
itsALWAYStheBANKERS ago
Problem solved with a WML and adequate training. Buying a gun doesnt make you a gun fighter. High quality kit and high quality training can help.
Ol_Hickery ago
Fair enough, my kids are too small for that right now. Either way, you shouldnt be putting rounds in a target without knowing if it is a valid target.
POTUShasnoballs ago
There are things called tactical flashlights I even heard some come on those old-style pick a teeny rail’s
I’m fucking with you.And I actually agree I’m not there to deter somebody I’m there to kill them they done fucked up and I’m there to make sure justice is done
CHeritageP ago
You realize your argument is just a personal opinion and not fact right?
Ol_Hickery ago
Yes, 100%. But so is yours.
AnotherRedditRefugee ago
Wow, that was way more civil then i expect from voat. What the hell is going on here.
Phantom42 ago
I really have no idea. Fuck you though.
AnotherRedditRefugee ago
Ah that's better, I feel like I'm home again.
And fuck you niggerfaggot.
CHeritageP ago
We both recognized that either side had merits and at its core was merely a disagreement of opinion while supporting the fundamental right of self defense and blowing the ever living hell out of a violent home invader.
One prefers to say "get out bang bang" the other one says "bang bang get out"
:D
Tuftedtitmouse ago
When I first came to voat 4 years ago, this was the first thing I noticed. Reddit is like a constant argument, on voat (most users) are willing to admit mistakes, ignorance, and actually apoligize when wrong.
reddigee ago
It's almost like civility it's defined by how PC you are or how much you tow the party line.
You dumb faggot.
Ol_Hickery ago
Clownworld friend. Its fucking clownworld. Haha. Hope all is well in your world.