See also: Root of Corruption: Index / Table of Contents / Overview

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Let me first preface this thread by making thing perfectly fucking clear, okay?

Considering that we're talking about actively living persons and persons with intellectual property rights to protect/exert, etc - that some parties mentioned in(or with relation to) this discussion may or may not have an itchy litigation finger...

I am not making any direct accusations of any nature, against any person or band or their affiliates mentioned herein - I expect readers to protect the rights of others and am merely presenting abstract speculation for educational purposes.

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Turisas - End Of An Empire

"~ writing about the rise and fall of these, petty, little Empires, we built up and believed so hard in. Let them fall, I say, let them fucking fall"

(Lyrics in comments)

Note: This song will not directly relate to the rest of this thread, other than in the broad sense of empires falling.

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So what is this annex for? Well, recent research has begun to solidify an already apparent truth-hood; that musicians and entertainers have been trying to warn and educate us for a very long time, alongside the blatant corruption of the music industry(which has some artists use music as a weaponized form of cognitive dissonance/reality seeding/corruption-obfuscation, at the behest of nefarious 'handlers').

This thread will also, incidentally, act as a bridge for bringing historic/present-day England and France into the picture...

How? Good question, let's start with the Beatles, annexing The "Rigby" Case: Mystery & research RE William Gray: Idaho, Utah and abroad

Read above for pre-established understanding that The Beatles(wiki), in some capacity, allude to ancient knowledge and the abuse thereof, in their music - I am yet to conclude their affiliation to the common people, but, let's proceed.

The Beatles were an English rock band formed in Liverpool in 1960. With members John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison and Ringo Starr, they became widely regarded as the foremost and most influential act of the rock era.[1] Rooted in skiffle, beat and 1950s rock and roll, the Beatles later experimented with several musical styles, ranging from pop ballads and Indian music to psychedelia and hard rock, often incorporating classical elements and unconventional recording techniques in innovative ways. In 1963 their enormous popularity first emerged as "Beatlemania", and as the group's music grew in sophistication in subsequent years, led by primary songwriters Lennon and McCartney, they came to be perceived as an embodiment of the ideals shared by the counterculture of the 1960s.

Does anyone recall the theory of James Paul McCartney? (new repeating names: Paul, James - more links coming)

(in short, the theory is that James Paul McCartney was 'disposed of' and replaced with a look-alike(handler?), incidentally McCartney was a key lyricist... apparently the rest of the band eventually came to regret their complacency, resulting in their attempting to leave clues behind in their lyrics, as to the knowledge they had)

I hold no sentimental attachment to this particular theory and offer no conclusion as to whether I believe all or any part of it...

https://content.time.com - Conspiracy Theories - Paul Is Dead

Undeniable Proof that Paul McCartney was replaced with a Look-Alike: Part 1 of Facial Comparison: Getting A Reference.](http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/fc1.html)) (NOTE: https does not work with the second link, proceed at your own discretion)

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Previous and ongoing research presents the following name variations as contextually important in this thread: James, Paul, Allen, Ryan

Incidentally, as I began writing this submission, @cantsleepawink posted Peter Crowley- victim of the Parsons Green bomb - links with the London Goth music and S&M scene - Gary Numan and Friends Electric. Occult weirdness

"Relevance?", you ask? Cradle Of Filth... (no reason to suspect fuckery, the opposite rather, they're trying to help from what I can tell; their lyrics are often very poetic, clued on, educational and even a bit foreboding/prophetic)

List of Cradle of Filth members

(bolding and italics added by myself for emphasis)

Former members

Guitars

• Paul Ryan (1991–1995)
• Paul Allender (1993-1995, 2000-2014)
• Robin Graves (Robin Mark Eaglestone) (1992)
• Rishi Mehta (1994, only live)
• Bryan Hipp (1994–1995, only live as the fictional 'Jared Demeter')
• Paul Mcglone (1996, only live as the fictional 'Jared Demeter')
• Darren Donnarumma (1999, only live as the fictional 'Jared Demeter')
• Stuart Anstis (1995–1999)
• Gian Pyres (Gianpiero Piras) (1996–1999, 2000–2002)[3]
• James McIlroy (2003-2005, 2009-2014)
• Charles Hedger (2005–2009)

Paul Allender was, thankfully, part of the band for the album Godspeed on the Devil's Thunder

Godspeed on the Devil's Thunder (subtitled The Life and Crimes of Gilles de Rais) is the eighth studio album by English extreme metal band Cradle of Filth. It was released on 28 October 2008, through record label Roadrunner. It is the band's fourth concept album, after Cruelty and the Beast (1998), Midian (2000), and Damnation and a Day (2003), dealing with the life of the 15th Century French character Gilles de Rais.

Personnel

Cradle of Filth

• Dani Filth – vocals
• Paul Allender – guitar, recording of demo tracks
• Dave Pybus – bass guitar
• Martin Škaroupka – drums
• Sarah Jezebel Deva – spoken voice, harmonies

So begins the bridge from present-day England to historic England and France...

Gilles de Rais

Gilles de Montmorency-Laval (French: [də ʁɛ]; prob. c. September 1405 – 26 October 1440),[1] Baron de Rais, was a knight and lord from Brittany, Anjou and Poitou,[2] a leader in the French army, and a companion-in-arms of Joan of Arc. He is best known for his reputation and later conviction as a confessed serial killer of children.

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Gilles de Rais is believed to be the inspiration for the 1697 fairy tale "Bluebeard" ("Barbe bleue") by Charles Perrault.

CRADLE OF FILTH "The Death Of Love - DEMO Version" taken from Godspeed On The Devil's Thunder Special Edition

(Lyrics in comments)

Godspeed on the Devil's Thunder tells the Story of Gilles alleged descent into a life of corruption, seemingly catalyzed by the burning of his war companion and, arguably, heart's desire and to him, an icon of purity. The album also alludes to Gilles' trial being mishandled and that he was otherwise setup/manipulated and then 'left to hang', so to speak.

Scholars(?) have also, at times, debated his guilt and the concept that he was setup.

Much research is warranted into his life prior to, with & after the death of, Joan of Arc; those unfamiliar with this story, please brush up.

Joan of Arc (French: Jeanne d'Arc,[5] IPA: [ʒan daʁk]; 6 January c. 1412[6] – 30 May 1431), nicknamed "The Maid of Orléans" (French: La Pucelle d'Orléans), is considered a heroine of France for her role during the Lancastrian phase of the Hundred Years' War and was canonized as a Roman Catholic saint. Joan of Arc was born to Jacques d'Arc and Isabelle Romée, a peasant family, at Domrémy in north-east France. Joan said she received visions of the Archangel Michael, Saint Margaret, and Saint Catherine of Alexandria instructing her to support Charles VII and recover France from English domination late in the Hundred Years' War. The uncrowned King Charles VII sent Joan to the siege of Orléans as part of a relief mission. She gained prominence after the siege was lifted only nine days later. Several additional swift victories led to Charles VII's coronation at Reims. This long-awaited event boosted French morale and paved the way for the final French victory.

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Okay, so, England and France - following me so far?

French to English / English to French

James Alefantis; Translate, kgo

Again, annexing The "Rigby" Case: Mystery & research RE William Gray: Idaho, Utah and abroad;

Abstract: William Gray / William Grey; James Alefantis

@Jem777 @Commoner

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Again, the point of this thread is not to accuse anyone of anything, but, to point out yet more apparent connections - abstract though they may be - between the music/entertainment industry and corruption.

Sometimes the connections speak of entertainers trying to help, sometimes they're not being so helpful, whether they know it or not... the ones that flip from being helpful to helping, well... they usually have quite a battle, though, there are even some success stories for those who play it smart...

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There is much to process with regards to historic England and France, but, I believe the pieces are there to connect millennia-spanning, multi-level corruption; from the low and morbid, to the high political/religious/judicial power consolidation across the globe...

As always, expect updates.

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@carmencita @GothamGirl