I remember watching the dark crystal as a child and that scene was completely terrifying.. and to think it's referencing something real. Btw, was Bowie one of the bad guys?
I hope not. But I think he was involved with "them" in the beginning of his career. He was interested in kabalah, but also in many other ideas and religions.
He was nosey as hell.
And he was on that "rockstar"-trip and was very talented. So "they" might have groomed him in the beginning.
But I think, that he kicked their asses in the mid-seventies, when moving to Berlin and firing his manager Tony DeFries (who is creepy) and separating from his wife (who is creepy as well).
I saw him many times live, and I know people who knew him personally/worked with him over the years. Everyone says, what a nice chap he was. And I also never noticed some Evilness emanating from him. And , now he is 3 years dead and still no bad stories (just the same old stories everyone knows.).
And his daughter seems to me pretty normal (as you can be, when loosing your dad to cancer at the age of 15).
But I think, yes, he was involved with them. I think we should have a look on the mentioned people (De Fries, Angie Bowie), and also at the time he spent in Los Angeles in the early 70ties. He was full of coke then and later always said, that he cannot remember those days. But there are some creepy stories from this time. I think he also knew Kenneth Anger then, who wanted to get him into O.T.O. I don't know if he joined them.
Interesting is his album "Outside" he released in the 90ties. This album is dealing with a super creepy story about "Art Crime" and "Ritual Murder of Baby Grace Blue" and a drug dealer "Ramona" giving drugs to kids... etc...
When I heard it first, I thought it's just a 90ties psychopath horror story.
But today I read it with different mind.
Bowie also said (I think! But I do not know the source anymore), that he created the story from a diary he wrote in the 70ties.
So, my guess is, Bowie KNEW and maybe witnessed or was even taking part in some evil shit in the early70ties.
But I am also convinced, that he did not enjoy it, and cut the strings to these people.
But he also kept quiet about these things because he knew, he would be a dead man, if talking too much.
We also know that Bowie planned a follow-up-album to "outside", but this never happened. Interesting is that few years ago some material from the "Outside sessions" appeared, where he sings the line "I'd rather be chrome"... well, wtf is he talking about? .."chrome"...?
"Lazarus" (the musical) is again a trip into his own mind... also with the evil "characters" inside him.
I think he had his "demons" inside, maybe also a guilty conscience about what he maybe witnessed or even took part years ago. But I also think that removed these things from his life in later years - but, of course, still had to deal with them in his mind.
The song "Lazarus" is just beautiful. I want it to be played at my funeral.
"Blackstar" has many meanings (space, end of life, but also a kind of cancer). Bowie was very philsophical about his own death. I really love the album. And it helped me to get over the death of a family member, who also had died of cancer shortly before Bowie. I know that many terminally ill people take comfort from the album. So it is in fact a "good album", not an evil one.
But maybe he also wanted to give us a very big hint at the end of his life - about what the world of popmusic and entertainment is about...
That's all really interesting. Must have been some really great shows too. I'll look into some of the things you mentioned. That baby grace thing is creepy, now knowing what I know.
This story is not new and everyone knows it. This happened in the 70ties, and Bowie was just a few years older than those girks then. And these girls were not innocent little girls he was grooming, they were "professional groupies", who came to Bowie with exactly having in mind, what later happened. They later bragged about it (Sable Starr, Lori Maddox)
Of course today we see these things differently - and I agree, that Bowie should have kicked them out of his room instead of letting them in.
As far as I know, this is the only story of that kind about him. He was promiscuous, yes, but everyone knew, he liked tall and a little bit "masculine" women, not kids. (guess he would have liked Michelle Obama, lol). He never was a pedo.
Bowie practiced the kabalah, that's why his alter egos came and went, he was killing off the lesser parts of him to become a god. Listen to his last album black star, he was evil.
It is a song not only of the situation they were in, but the knowledge of what causes really big ice/hot ages. That would be the sun's fluctuations with the universe.
I thought Chris Cornell was snuffed out because he was helping Chester Bennington (John Podesta's son) try to escape the rape of John Podesta. What if we were fooled and Cornell and Bennington were the baddies.
not sure if baddies but i don't subscribe to the whole killed for trying to do good thing, if they knew about pedo crimes speak out about it and do something
That Lazarus song was weird. Filmed only a month before he died. Sucks he was bad. I really liked his older stuff but couldn't determine if he was just weird or evil
Lol this person hates equally the fact that Bowie married a black woman as much as the fact that he was a hedonist. Should tell you volumes about UEMcGill right there.
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Wynterwhisper ago
I remember watching the dark crystal as a child and that scene was completely terrifying.. and to think it's referencing something real. Btw, was Bowie one of the bad guys?
lopus ago
I hope not. But I think he was involved with "them" in the beginning of his career. He was interested in kabalah, but also in many other ideas and religions.
He was nosey as hell.
And he was on that "rockstar"-trip and was very talented. So "they" might have groomed him in the beginning.
But I think, that he kicked their asses in the mid-seventies, when moving to Berlin and firing his manager Tony DeFries (who is creepy) and separating from his wife (who is creepy as well).
I saw him many times live, and I know people who knew him personally/worked with him over the years. Everyone says, what a nice chap he was. And I also never noticed some Evilness emanating from him. And , now he is 3 years dead and still no bad stories (just the same old stories everyone knows.).
And his daughter seems to me pretty normal (as you can be, when loosing your dad to cancer at the age of 15).
But I think, yes, he was involved with them. I think we should have a look on the mentioned people (De Fries, Angie Bowie), and also at the time he spent in Los Angeles in the early 70ties. He was full of coke then and later always said, that he cannot remember those days. But there are some creepy stories from this time. I think he also knew Kenneth Anger then, who wanted to get him into O.T.O. I don't know if he joined them.
Interesting is his album "Outside" he released in the 90ties. This album is dealing with a super creepy story about "Art Crime" and "Ritual Murder of Baby Grace Blue" and a drug dealer "Ramona" giving drugs to kids... etc...
When I heard it first, I thought it's just a 90ties psychopath horror story.
But today I read it with different mind.
Bowie also said (I think! But I do not know the source anymore), that he created the story from a diary he wrote in the 70ties.
So, my guess is, Bowie KNEW and maybe witnessed or was even taking part in some evil shit in the early70ties.
But I am also convinced, that he did not enjoy it, and cut the strings to these people.
But he also kept quiet about these things because he knew, he would be a dead man, if talking too much.
We also know that Bowie planned a follow-up-album to "outside", but this never happened. Interesting is that few years ago some material from the "Outside sessions" appeared, where he sings the line "I'd rather be chrome"... well, wtf is he talking about? .."chrome"...?
"Lazarus" (the musical) is again a trip into his own mind... also with the evil "characters" inside him.
I think he had his "demons" inside, maybe also a guilty conscience about what he maybe witnessed or even took part years ago. But I also think that removed these things from his life in later years - but, of course, still had to deal with them in his mind.
The song "Lazarus" is just beautiful. I want it to be played at my funeral.
"Blackstar" has many meanings (space, end of life, but also a kind of cancer). Bowie was very philsophical about his own death. I really love the album. And it helped me to get over the death of a family member, who also had died of cancer shortly before Bowie. I know that many terminally ill people take comfort from the album. So it is in fact a "good album", not an evil one.
But maybe he also wanted to give us a very big hint at the end of his life - about what the world of popmusic and entertainment is about...
Well, my 2 cents... !
21yearsofdigging ago
Great reply and thanks for your 2 cents
Wynterwhisper ago
That's all really interesting. Must have been some really great shows too. I'll look into some of the things you mentioned. That baby grace thing is creepy, now knowing what I know.
3141592653 ago
Bowie sexually abused the same 14 year old girl that members of Led Zeppelin repeatedly raped
lopus ago
This story is not new and everyone knows it. This happened in the 70ties, and Bowie was just a few years older than those girks then. And these girls were not innocent little girls he was grooming, they were "professional groupies", who came to Bowie with exactly having in mind, what later happened. They later bragged about it (Sable Starr, Lori Maddox)
Of course today we see these things differently - and I agree, that Bowie should have kicked them out of his room instead of letting them in.
As far as I know, this is the only story of that kind about him. He was promiscuous, yes, but everyone knew, he liked tall and a little bit "masculine" women, not kids. (guess he would have liked Michelle Obama, lol). He never was a pedo.
ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago
The Vampire Predator Bible: https://archive.org/details/CTheVampirePredatorBible/page/n9
Titanbikes4ever ago
Didn't he have to marry a nigger?
Chrisrmathews90 ago
Bowie practiced the kabalah, that's why his alter egos came and went, he was killing off the lesser parts of him to become a god. Listen to his last album black star, he was evil.
HarveyHarveyJones ago
Someone will take his place as he said.
trseeker ago
Black star = Saturn/Satan.
Barfin ago
n my eyes, indisposed
In disguises no one knows
Hides the face, lies the snake
The sun in my disgrace
Boiling heat, summer stench
'Neath the black the sky looks dead
Call my name through the cream
And I'll hear you scream again
Black hole sun
Won't you come
And wash away the rain
Black hole sun
Won't you come
Won't you come (won't you come)
YogSoggoth ago
It is a song not only of the situation they were in, but the knowledge of what causes really big ice/hot ages. That would be the sun's fluctuations with the universe.
iwasthey ago
I thought Chris Cornell was snuffed out because he was helping Chester Bennington (John Podesta's son) try to escape the rape of John Podesta. What if we were fooled and Cornell and Bennington were the baddies.
Barfin ago
not sure if baddies but i don't subscribe to the whole killed for trying to do good thing, if they knew about pedo crimes speak out about it and do something
iwasthey ago
Yup
Wynterwhisper ago
That Lazarus song was weird. Filmed only a month before he died. Sucks he was bad. I really liked his older stuff but couldn't determine if he was just weird or evil
ReadPastHeadlines ago
They all are one of the bad guys
UEMcGill ago
They killed bowie so they could use his music in Stranger Things.
He was a hedonist miscegenator (sp?) though, so prob gobbled some Dreno aka Substance D
HarveyHarveyJones ago
Love is lost.
Wynterwhisper ago
WTH is that? I've never heard of a hedonist miscegenator
SerialChiller ago
Pleasure-seeking Race-mixer. (also see De Niro)
UEMcGill ago
Imagine your life depended on you discerning the meaning of those words.
If you still can't figure it out, then blow your brains out.
Wynterwhisper ago
Lordy, I'll look it up. Just asked cause you seemed to know.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
Lol this person hates equally the fact that Bowie married a black woman as much as the fact that he was a hedonist. Should tell you volumes about UEMcGill right there.
Racism is a huge problem in voat.
AZ_PATRIOT3 ago
I think its a car part
Wynterwhisper ago
Lol