I remember watching the dark crystal as a child and that scene was completely terrifying.. and to think it's referencing something real. Btw, was Bowie one of the bad guys?
I hope not. But I think he was involved with "them" in the beginning of his career. He was interested in kabalah, but also in many other ideas and religions.
He was nosey as hell.
And he was on that "rockstar"-trip and was very talented. So "they" might have groomed him in the beginning.
But I think, that he kicked their asses in the mid-seventies, when moving to Berlin and firing his manager Tony DeFries (who is creepy) and separating from his wife (who is creepy as well).
I saw him many times live, and I know people who knew him personally/worked with him over the years. Everyone says, what a nice chap he was. And I also never noticed some Evilness emanating from him. And , now he is 3 years dead and still no bad stories (just the same old stories everyone knows.).
And his daughter seems to me pretty normal (as you can be, when loosing your dad to cancer at the age of 15).
But I think, yes, he was involved with them. I think we should have a look on the mentioned people (De Fries, Angie Bowie), and also at the time he spent in Los Angeles in the early 70ties. He was full of coke then and later always said, that he cannot remember those days. But there are some creepy stories from this time. I think he also knew Kenneth Anger then, who wanted to get him into O.T.O. I don't know if he joined them.
Interesting is his album "Outside" he released in the 90ties. This album is dealing with a super creepy story about "Art Crime" and "Ritual Murder of Baby Grace Blue" and a drug dealer "Ramona" giving drugs to kids... etc...
When I heard it first, I thought it's just a 90ties psychopath horror story.
But today I read it with different mind.
Bowie also said (I think! But I do not know the source anymore), that he created the story from a diary he wrote in the 70ties.
So, my guess is, Bowie KNEW and maybe witnessed or was even taking part in some evil shit in the early70ties.
But I am also convinced, that he did not enjoy it, and cut the strings to these people.
But he also kept quiet about these things because he knew, he would be a dead man, if talking too much.
We also know that Bowie planned a follow-up-album to "outside", but this never happened. Interesting is that few years ago some material from the "Outside sessions" appeared, where he sings the line "I'd rather be chrome"... well, wtf is he talking about? .."chrome"...?
"Lazarus" (the musical) is again a trip into his own mind... also with the evil "characters" inside him.
I think he had his "demons" inside, maybe also a guilty conscience about what he maybe witnessed or even took part years ago. But I also think that removed these things from his life in later years - but, of course, still had to deal with them in his mind.
The song "Lazarus" is just beautiful. I want it to be played at my funeral.
"Blackstar" has many meanings (space, end of life, but also a kind of cancer). Bowie was very philsophical about his own death. I really love the album. And it helped me to get over the death of a family member, who also had died of cancer shortly before Bowie. I know that many terminally ill people take comfort from the album. So it is in fact a "good album", not an evil one.
But maybe he also wanted to give us a very big hint at the end of his life - about what the world of popmusic and entertainment is about...
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Wynterwhisper ago
I remember watching the dark crystal as a child and that scene was completely terrifying.. and to think it's referencing something real. Btw, was Bowie one of the bad guys?
lopus ago
I hope not. But I think he was involved with "them" in the beginning of his career. He was interested in kabalah, but also in many other ideas and religions.
He was nosey as hell.
And he was on that "rockstar"-trip and was very talented. So "they" might have groomed him in the beginning.
But I think, that he kicked their asses in the mid-seventies, when moving to Berlin and firing his manager Tony DeFries (who is creepy) and separating from his wife (who is creepy as well).
I saw him many times live, and I know people who knew him personally/worked with him over the years. Everyone says, what a nice chap he was. And I also never noticed some Evilness emanating from him. And , now he is 3 years dead and still no bad stories (just the same old stories everyone knows.).
And his daughter seems to me pretty normal (as you can be, when loosing your dad to cancer at the age of 15).
But I think, yes, he was involved with them. I think we should have a look on the mentioned people (De Fries, Angie Bowie), and also at the time he spent in Los Angeles in the early 70ties. He was full of coke then and later always said, that he cannot remember those days. But there are some creepy stories from this time. I think he also knew Kenneth Anger then, who wanted to get him into O.T.O. I don't know if he joined them.
Interesting is his album "Outside" he released in the 90ties. This album is dealing with a super creepy story about "Art Crime" and "Ritual Murder of Baby Grace Blue" and a drug dealer "Ramona" giving drugs to kids... etc...
When I heard it first, I thought it's just a 90ties psychopath horror story.
But today I read it with different mind.
Bowie also said (I think! But I do not know the source anymore), that he created the story from a diary he wrote in the 70ties.
So, my guess is, Bowie KNEW and maybe witnessed or was even taking part in some evil shit in the early70ties.
But I am also convinced, that he did not enjoy it, and cut the strings to these people.
But he also kept quiet about these things because he knew, he would be a dead man, if talking too much.
We also know that Bowie planned a follow-up-album to "outside", but this never happened. Interesting is that few years ago some material from the "Outside sessions" appeared, where he sings the line "I'd rather be chrome"... well, wtf is he talking about? .."chrome"...?
"Lazarus" (the musical) is again a trip into his own mind... also with the evil "characters" inside him.
I think he had his "demons" inside, maybe also a guilty conscience about what he maybe witnessed or even took part years ago. But I also think that removed these things from his life in later years - but, of course, still had to deal with them in his mind.
The song "Lazarus" is just beautiful. I want it to be played at my funeral.
"Blackstar" has many meanings (space, end of life, but also a kind of cancer). Bowie was very philsophical about his own death. I really love the album. And it helped me to get over the death of a family member, who also had died of cancer shortly before Bowie. I know that many terminally ill people take comfort from the album. So it is in fact a "good album", not an evil one.
But maybe he also wanted to give us a very big hint at the end of his life - about what the world of popmusic and entertainment is about...
Well, my 2 cents... !
21yearsofdigging ago
Great reply and thanks for your 2 cents