LightlyToastedFarts ago

What about the 666 Park Avenue address? Doesn't Kushner own that property that leases space to Lucient Technologies?

Nice satanic play on words Lucient but not only that, aren't they making RFID chips too?

Really surprised you missed that one out of all of the businesses on that street.

letsdothis3 ago

I just came across this video on 666 Fifth Avenue by happenstance: https://youtu.be/5eLCbNOhgsk

EntertheStars goes heavy on the occult but it's an interesting short video containing old footage of the construction of 666. It also refers to early involvement of Donald Trump, before his son-in-law's company bought the building.

@think- it also refers to John L. Tishman's involvement, he of Tishman Speyer, a company I have had my eye on since the start of pizzagate because Mirabaud, the Swiss brokers (who I recently posted about), now operate out of a Tishman Speyer building in London. I've had my eye on New York from the beginning and I sometimes wonder if that was the one of the originating sites for the Hampstead case (to put it mildly).

think- ago

Interesting, thank you!

letsdothis3 ago

Btw, someone I know who briefly worked for Mirabaud in the past says that they are definitely into money laundering.

think- ago

Wow....

letsdothis3 ago

Lol. Yes indeed. I did completely forget about that. I'll add it to the post. Thank you.

letsdothis3 ago

Secret Park Avenue Crypt Unearthed!

John D. Rockefeller Jr.’s subterranean escape route out of 740 Park Avenue to the railroad tracks underneath the street (where his private train could pull up) has long been “a wonderful urban myth,” says Michael Gross, author of 740 Park: The Story of the World’s Richest Apartment Building. Gross didn’t mention it in his book after the Rockefeller relatives denied it. But not everybody’s so sure. Stephen Del Savio, a subsurface plumber and vice-president of NYC Water Works, was working with his crew about fifteen feet under Park last summer and discovered a sealed-up vault. Upon entry, just outside 740, they found a series of brick chambers about ten feet tall, six feet wide, all with arched ceilings, branching off from 740’s basement. “I was, like, ‘Holy shit!’ ” he says. “This thing was certainly leading somewhere.” Was it an old wine cellar? Remnants of a building built before 740?

Checking pipes under the city’s streets, Del Savio has stumbled upon an abandoned pool (under Brooklyn’s St. George Hotel) and a barber shop (under the Hotel Pennsylvania), but nothing so tied to city royalty. Rockefeller once owned 740 Park, home to Bouviers, Bronfmans, Guggenheims, and J. Watson Webb, a member of the Vanderbilt clan—the family that built the New York Central Railroad. So whodugit? “My money is on the Vanderbilts,” says Columbia historian Kenneth T. Jackson.

letsdothis3 ago

A bit of history of Park Avenue - http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/social-diary/2017/a-bit-of-history-of-park-avenue

My piece is a bit of history of Park Avenue. Did you know that it was originally (still is actually) the railroad tracks that ran directly north and out of town? Mr. Vanderbilt’s railroad. As much as people loved the “new” steam engine transportation, no one wanted to live by the railroad tracks. Smart thinking people changed all that over time, and when they did what had long been Fourth Avenue on the grid, became Park Avenue. And the rest is history, especially some of the most interesting – houses and families...

shewhomustbeobeyed ago

Apparently 55th Street houses a ventilation structure for the tunnels. See North American Tunneling 2004: Proceedings of the North American Tunneling

The link in this line does not work.

septimasexta ago

This might be worth archiving:

"10 Hidden Chambers and Passageways" http://listverse.com/2010/12/05/10-hidden-chambers-and-passageways/

Describes Waldorf-Astoria tunnels, 21 Club, NYC, "House of Horrors" Children's home in Jersey, Mexican/U.S. drug tunnel, and more!

septimasexta ago

Thanks!

shewhomustbeobeyed ago

TY2!

letsdothis3 ago

Thank you for all that you do. I've fixed the link.

shewhomustbeobeyed ago

My pleasure. Thank you for doing the hard stuff.

SchlongKeyhote ago

You wanna do some real hard stuff? Like rock-hard?

shewhomustbeobeyed ago

I like music. What ya got?

Are_we_sure ago

What's with the obsession with tunnels. Other than at a border crossing, have tunnels been used in a single case of trafficking?

You claim these businesses have "access" to the tunnels, but you show no evidence of this. Do have such evidence?

All you have shown is there are influential companies on Park Ave South.

And Madison is parallel to Park, not around the corner.

Oh boy, I just looked at your other thread. You have several things wrong

Spin in New York IS NOT across the street from the Waldorf Astoria. It's a mile and a half south.

The train tunnels you claim go the length of Park Avenue do not go to Spin. They stop at Grand Central Terminal on 42 Street. Park Ave continues to 32nd Street. Spin is on 23rd Street which is near Park Ave South.

This means your thesis has fallen apart.

letsdothis3 ago

Actually they are 23 blocks apart.

Nope. Wrong again 304 Park Avenue is right next to 280 Park Avenue. Check it out on Google ma... OH, I forgot, you don't read maps.

Are_we_sure ago

Wrong again 304 Park Avenue is right next to 280 Park Avenue.

This may be true, but it has nothing to do with SPiN NY which is located on East 23rd Street.

Yet another source to verify the Park Avenue location: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPiN

Not sure why you would use wikipedia, rather than say SPiN's website, https://wearespin.com/location/new-york/ which gives the correct address.

NEW YORK 23 48 E. 23RD ST (BETWEEN MADISON & PARK) NEW YORK, NY 10010

It has always been at this location. ( @septimasexta and I know this because I live in the new york. I also know the Park Avenue Tunnel ends at Grand Central Terminal, because that's where you get on the train. It's also part of the Wikipedia link he posted.)

Now that you have the correct address for SPiN and the understand that Park Ave and Park Ave South are considered different streets you can use your map tool to find out the truth. Here's a hint, 280 Park Ave and 280 Park Ave South are not the same building. They are a mile apart.

Here's walking directions you can map out yourself To go from from 280 Park Ave, New York, NY 10020 to SPiN's location at 48 E 23rd St, New York, NY 10010 is 1.4 mile and a 28 minute walk. Notice the different zip code.

28 min (1.4 miles) via Madison Ave 280 Park Ave Head southwest on Park Ave toward E 48th St......164 ft Turn right onto E 48th St........476 ft Turn left onto Madison Ave 1.2 mi

Turn left onto E 23rd St......246 ft to 48 E 23rd St

septimasexta ago

"and I know this because I live in the new york." Don't tell me.....you were born in Queens?

Of course, JA was born in New York.........

BTW, I am related to Waldorf Astor, son of JJ Astor lll. They owned the property under the Empire State Building. He built the Waldorf Hotel on family property. His cousin JJAstor lV, to compete, built the Astor Hotel next door. Putting profit over family competition, they combined the two, which became the Waldorf Astoria Hotel. Yes, they did have tunnels.

Nikola Tesla once lived in the Waldorf Astoria: "Dr. Ljubo Vujovic, Secretary General of the Tesla Memorial Society of New York writes that Tesla relocated to The New Yorker from the Waldorf-Astoria." https://untappedcities.com/2016/01/26/step-inside-nikola-teslas-hotel-room-at-the-new-yorker-in-3d/

letsdothis3 ago

https://newyork.gaycities.com/bars/300888-spin-new-york

304 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10010 Near: 23rd Street

So, you are correct that SPiN is a bit further down from the Astoria on Park Avenue South. The articles I looked at give the incorrect information by stating that it is at Park Avenue. Nevertheless, the Park Avenue South address is still part of the Park Avenue Tunnel system.

Still there is an interesting story to be told re the National Press Club...

Are_we_sure ago

So, you are correct

This is usually the point you apologize.

Still there is an interesting story to be told re the National Press Club...

Is the point to tell interesting stories or to find the truth. Because even if Spin was a mile uptown, you provided no evidence of anything untoward happening and no evidence any of those companies have access to the tunnels.

I will say that mistaken news article had me doubting myself. I was wondering if the club further uptown was just a private club, because I remembered when they opened I was pretty sure SPIN only had one location in NY and they never moved.

I actually just called SPIN myself and asked about this. So here's the deal, 304 Park Avenue South is the name of the entire giant building they are in, but there's a lot of retail spaces within this building on 23rd Street. I don't know if this link will work, but here's google maps showing the entire building is probably 10 stories and they are in the basement of that

https://www.google.com/maps/place/304+Park+Ave+S,+New+York,+NY+10010/@40.7405814,-73.9865429,73a,35y,212.35h,45.06t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89c259a13a141869:0x243457be3c732070!8m2!3d40.7401583!4d-73.9869664

As to your other post, you gave me a list of border tunnels. I understand why tunnels would be used a guarded border crossing. But Manhattan is not under Siege like Sarajevo was. These examples only prove my point.

I think your thesis has been disproven.

letsdothis3 ago

This is usually the point you apologize.

Not to someone who is trying to be an @s_hole.

Is the point to tell interesting stories or to find the truth.

Find the truth. I'm recording certain patterns in logistics at the moment. You should notice that I am careful in coming to any conclusions during that process. I have edited my SPiN post with the new address. It happens... does not invalidate the rest of the post.

So here's the deal, 304 Park Avenue South is the name of the entire giant building they are in

Yes, I just found that out and there are some very interesting people in that building too. The real estate agents are also of extreme interest.. so I have you to thank for some new stuff I'll soon be posting :-)

and they are in the basement of that

ah yes, basements...

As to your other post, you gave me a list of border tunnels. I understand why tunnels would be used a guarded border crossing. But Manhattan is not under Siege like Sarajevo was. These examples only prove my point.

The information I posted on the Waldorf Astoria explained how their tunnels were used for Roosevelt's convenience and quite possibly for later presidents. From our research it is common for VIPs to use tunnels to get around. Hollywood does the same. But if you chose to ignore that, be my guest...

I think your thesis has been disproven.

I haven't posted a thesis YET..

Are_we_sure ago

This is usually the point you apologize.

Not to someone who is trying to be an @s_hole.

Wow. You have a very strong reaction to facts.

Find the truth. I'm recording certain patterns in logistics at the moment.

Calling them logistics is not truthful by any measure. My Goodness. Cart before the horse much?

The information I posted on the Waldorf Astoria explained how their tunnels were used for Roosevelt's convenience and quite possibly for later presidents

And you did not show any of the other businesses you saw have any connection to this tunnel

I haven't posted a thesis YET..

Your these was SPiN chose to locate itself by a tunnel and this was significant enough to investigate other businesses in the area. But of course, you haven't show any malfeasance connected to SPiN to begin with, but you then jump ahead to imagining a logistics network.

You're witchhunting.

letsdothis3 ago

Wow. You have a very strong reaction to facts.

You initially provided no links for your claim about the address. That's on you.

Calling them logistics is not truthful by any measure. My Goodness. Cart before the horse much?

Recording which buildings and organisations are along a tunneling system is a logistics exercise. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistics

And you did not show any of the other businesses you saw have any connection to this tunnel

I haven't gone through all the material online yet.. with the data we already have on voat, those organisations/companies do warrant our attention.

But of course, you haven't show any malfeasance connected to SPiN to begin with, but you then jump ahead to imagining a logistics network.

I don't imagine - I leave that for the Left. The fact that you are spending so much time here is amusing.

You're witchhunting.

Another cut and paste leftist accusation. Amusing again- apparently it's the season of the witch. Haven't you heard?

I won't reply to any more remarks- too much to post.

Are_we_sure ago

You initially provided no links for your claim about the address. That's on you.

You have made multiple posts about SPiN. I assumed you had a basic understanding of the fact and an understanding where it was.

Recording which buildings and organisations are along a tunneling system is a logistics exercise.

No it's not. Because you still have shown if they have any access to the tunnels or how they avoid the trains that use these tunnels. Because we are talking about a subway, it's the part of MetroNorth that is submerged.

I haven't gone through all the material online yet.. with the data we already have on voat, those organisations/companies do warrant our attention.

Right because they connect to Spin which is right next door through a secret tunnel system. Except they don't. So you just have a random collection of business near Park Ave and Park Ave South, but let's call this a logistics exercise! Because that will make them seem connected in some way.

letsdothis3 ago

What is wrong with you?? Were you dropped in your head at birth, or what??

There are TWO SPiNs to New York.. have you not seen the links apart from wikipedia? I only supplied the wiki link because I thought you might actually read it. And of course you did. Seems it's the only supplied link that you have read.

and where on earth did you get 280 Park Avenue South from?

Is it that you want me to stay away from the National Press Club story ?? I'll get to that after I do my Dr. Pong, the Berlin Wall, tunnels and the Open Society and the Social City Project. That one's going to be a doozy. Get your smelling salts...

3141592653 ago

See McMartin preschool scandal re tunnels

Are_we_sure ago

A. Those were completely different, what he is talking about here are part of the city's infrastructure, they have been running trains on Park Avenue from 1831 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Avenue_main_line

They broke ground on the tunnel in 1837. It used today for the very busy Metro North commuter line (86 million riders a year). To claim that if you work in one of these buildings on Park Avenue and you have some special access to these tunnels is a completely unfounded assertion. The easiest way to get access is as a Metro North customer, but the train doesn't stop underground, the next stop is 125th Street and that is elevated above the street.

B. There were no tunnels under the McMartin preschool. First off there was no entrance at all, just a concrete slab, the building rested on. When they removed this slab, they found nothing that would support a tunnel structure. They found a bunch of junk in the dirt, but it was really, really old, like cans from before the school was built.

There were no tunnels.

3141592653 ago

no no no, after that was reported, THE TUNNELS WERE FOUND.

Are_we_sure ago

No they weren't. You have the timeline wrong.

3141592653 ago

Yes they were. And no i don't have the timeline wrong. Veryy familiar with this case

Are_we_sure ago

The claim that tunnels were found are bogus.

We are probably talking about the exact same event, but disagree on it's meaning

When do you think that tunnels were discovered and how?

LightlyToastedFarts ago

What's with the obsession with tunnels. Other than at a border crossing

Those were completely different

You said tunnels, you didn't state particular tunnels in certain places, well except for the border.

I saw you duck question and you weren't very sly. Now go back to Wikipedia so you can re-edit the info there on this topic shillmeister.

septimasexta ago

Obviously YOU are obsessed with tunnels; you appear to know all about them yet post no links to back up your claims. A clear sign WE ARE OVER THE TARGET. No links. DOWN VOAT for you!

letsdothis3 ago

Ah ha, there you are !

What's with the obsession with tunnels.

Not MY obsession alone.. we've been talking about tunnels for the last 2 years on this subverse What's with the obsession with tunnels.

Other than at a border crossing, have tunnels been used in a single case of trafficking?

Lol, you need to go back to History class. Oh, I forgot, they don't teach History these days.. just activism.. RESIST, right? Let me help you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_tunnel

Smuggling tunnels are secret passages used for the smuggling of goods and people. The term is also used where the tunnels are built in response to a siege.

The Sarajevo Tunnel operated during the Siege of Sarajevo as a passage underneath the no-man's land of the city's (closed) airport, providing a vital smuggling link for the beleaguered city residents. Guns were smuggled into the city and people were smuggled out. After the war, the Sarajevo Tunnel Museum was built onto the historic private house whose cellar served as the entrance to Sarajevo Tunnel.

A 700-meter smuggling tunnel with a narrow gauge railway was revealed in July 2012 between Uzhgorod, Ukraine, and Vyšné Nemecké, Slovakia, at the border of Schengen Area. The tunnel used professional mining and security technologies.

Many villages on the southern coast of England have a local legend of a smugglers' tunnel, although the entrances to most of the actual smugglers' tunnels have been lost or bricked up. Some tunnel stories turn out to be plausible, such as the tunnel at Hayle in Cornwall, which seems to have been built specifically for smuggling.

The Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels connect Egypt and the Gaza Strip, bypassing the Egypt–Gaza barrier built by Israel along the international border established by the Egypt–Israel Peace Treaty. The tunnels pass under the Philadelphi corridor, an area specified in the Oslo accords as being under Israeli military control, in order to secure the border with Egypt.

In early 2005, a group of Canadian drug smugglers took up the idea, and constructed a tunnel between a greenhouse in Langley, British Columbia and the basement of a house in Lynden, Washington, which lay across the ditch marking the Canada–US border (the house on the Langley side was on 0 Avenue ("Zero Avenue"), which runs parallel to the border and is the baseline of Langley's avenue-numbering system). They bought the two properties and began construction work. Authorities were alerted when a neighbor noticed the large-scale construction work being undertaken in the greenhouse. Inspection revealed that tons of construction material were entering, and piles of earth were coming out.

It became known within a short time, by both American and Canadian border authorities, that a tunnel was being built. Video and audio devices were installed secretly by United States customs officials both at the termini and in the tunnel itself. On July 14, the tunnel having been completed, the first packs of marijuana began going through. Officials raided the home soon afterward and arrested the three men, who then appeared before court in Seattle.[4] The tunnel was sealed and the roads above it were rebuilt, but the US house where the tunnel exited still exists.

As of September 30, 2015, 183 illicit cross-border tunnels have been discovered in the United States since Fiscal Year 1990.[6]

On January 25, 2006, a tunnel was found on the US-Mexico border by a joint US Drug Enforcement Administration, US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and US Border Patrol task force. The 2,400-foot ..

Oh, I'm sorry, am I boring you?

And Madison is parallel to Park, not around the corner.

540 Madison Avenue IS around the corner from Park Avenue, can't you read maps either? Geography lessons too, huh?

Spin in New York IS NOT across the street from the Waldorf Astoria. It's a mile and a half south.

Can you not READ? https://bigjimindustries.com/wordpress/i-like-to-ping-and-pong-it/ : The Prince is Franck Raharinosy, a 33-year-old fledgling filmmaker and Ping-Pong impresario who last week signed a 15-year lease for the 13,000-square-foot basement of 304 Park Avenue. https://imgur.com/a/0MS6QPO

Spin is on 23rd Street which is near Park Ave South.

There's more than one SPiN in NY.

This means your thesis has fallen apart.

This means you need to go back to school and stop embarrassing yourself.

think- ago

LOL.

SchlongKeyhote ago

What's with the obsession with tunnels.

LOL u tell me, faggot. why do they tunnel so much? why would jack nicholsons house be connected to the playboy mansion -- to avoid the non-scandal of an A-list actor bringing adult women into his house?

https://i.imgsafe.org/c5/c51fbb85fe.png

letsdothis3 ago

Christopher James of Hakluyt http://powerbase.info/index.php/Christopher_James

Christopher James was commissioned into the Welsh Guards in 1965 and saw active service in the Middle East. He was selected for the SAS (Special Air Service) and spent four years on numerous special forces operations worldwide. In 1975 he joined the Foreign Service and worked in many diplomatic missions including Kenya, Nigeria, India, Zimbabwe and Cyprus[2]. James, was until 1998 in charge of MI6's liaison with commerce,[3] having also served in the Special Air Service.[4] He resigned in 1995.

During his time with Hakluyt Christopher built up the business working with the Chairmen and CEOs of some major global corporations including those in the US. He also worked with a number of distinguished personalities including Henry Kissinger (Kissinger Associates) with whom he formed a partnership in 2000; General Brent Scowcroft, former National Security Advisor, John F Lehmann, former Secretary for the Navy; Mack McLarty, former Chief of Staff under President Clinton; and Senator Bill Bradley who joined Hakluyt as a Non-Executive Director. He retired as CEO in 2006.

James is a founding partner of Longbow NXG - an organisation working to equip the extremely wealthy with skills allowing them to 'thrive and prosper'.[6]

He is also the founder of Malachite Ltd - a company linked to the charity The Malachite Foundation and provides political, business and cultural insight for investors in emerging and frontier markets.

James was awarded the OBE in 1987 for services to Her Majesty’s Government. cough..cough

ArcAngel ago

maps or pix of tunnels?

letsdothis3 ago