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Are_we_sure ago

What's with the obsession with tunnels. Other than at a border crossing, have tunnels been used in a single case of trafficking?

You claim these businesses have "access" to the tunnels, but you show no evidence of this. Do have such evidence?

All you have shown is there are influential companies on Park Ave South.

And Madison is parallel to Park, not around the corner.

Oh boy, I just looked at your other thread. You have several things wrong

Spin in New York IS NOT across the street from the Waldorf Astoria. It's a mile and a half south.

The train tunnels you claim go the length of Park Avenue do not go to Spin. They stop at Grand Central Terminal on 42 Street. Park Ave continues to 32nd Street. Spin is on 23rd Street which is near Park Ave South.

This means your thesis has fallen apart.

letsdothis3 ago

Actually they are 23 blocks apart.

Nope. Wrong again 304 Park Avenue is right next to 280 Park Avenue. Check it out on Google ma... OH, I forgot, you don't read maps.

Are_we_sure ago

Wrong again 304 Park Avenue is right next to 280 Park Avenue.

This may be true, but it has nothing to do with SPiN NY which is located on East 23rd Street.

Yet another source to verify the Park Avenue location: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPiN

Not sure why you would use wikipedia, rather than say SPiN's website, https://wearespin.com/location/new-york/ which gives the correct address.

NEW YORK 23 48 E. 23RD ST (BETWEEN MADISON & PARK) NEW YORK, NY 10010

It has always been at this location. ( @septimasexta and I know this because I live in the new york. I also know the Park Avenue Tunnel ends at Grand Central Terminal, because that's where you get on the train. It's also part of the Wikipedia link he posted.)

Now that you have the correct address for SPiN and the understand that Park Ave and Park Ave South are considered different streets you can use your map tool to find out the truth. Here's a hint, 280 Park Ave and 280 Park Ave South are not the same building. They are a mile apart.

Here's walking directions you can map out yourself To go from from 280 Park Ave, New York, NY 10020 to SPiN's location at 48 E 23rd St, New York, NY 10010 is 1.4 mile and a 28 minute walk. Notice the different zip code.

28 min (1.4 miles) via Madison Ave 280 Park Ave Head southwest on Park Ave toward E 48th St......164 ft Turn right onto E 48th St........476 ft Turn left onto Madison Ave 1.2 mi

Turn left onto E 23rd St......246 ft to 48 E 23rd St

letsdothis3 ago

https://newyork.gaycities.com/bars/300888-spin-new-york

304 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10010 Near: 23rd Street

So, you are correct that SPiN is a bit further down from the Astoria on Park Avenue South. The articles I looked at give the incorrect information by stating that it is at Park Avenue. Nevertheless, the Park Avenue South address is still part of the Park Avenue Tunnel system.

Still there is an interesting story to be told re the National Press Club...

Are_we_sure ago

So, you are correct

This is usually the point you apologize.

Still there is an interesting story to be told re the National Press Club...

Is the point to tell interesting stories or to find the truth. Because even if Spin was a mile uptown, you provided no evidence of anything untoward happening and no evidence any of those companies have access to the tunnels.

I will say that mistaken news article had me doubting myself. I was wondering if the club further uptown was just a private club, because I remembered when they opened I was pretty sure SPIN only had one location in NY and they never moved.

I actually just called SPIN myself and asked about this. So here's the deal, 304 Park Avenue South is the name of the entire giant building they are in, but there's a lot of retail spaces within this building on 23rd Street. I don't know if this link will work, but here's google maps showing the entire building is probably 10 stories and they are in the basement of that

https://www.google.com/maps/place/304+Park+Ave+S,+New+York,+NY+10010/@40.7405814,-73.9865429,73a,35y,212.35h,45.06t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89c259a13a141869:0x243457be3c732070!8m2!3d40.7401583!4d-73.9869664

As to your other post, you gave me a list of border tunnels. I understand why tunnels would be used a guarded border crossing. But Manhattan is not under Siege like Sarajevo was. These examples only prove my point.

I think your thesis has been disproven.

letsdothis3 ago

This is usually the point you apologize.

Not to someone who is trying to be an @s_hole.

Is the point to tell interesting stories or to find the truth.

Find the truth. I'm recording certain patterns in logistics at the moment. You should notice that I am careful in coming to any conclusions during that process. I have edited my SPiN post with the new address. It happens... does not invalidate the rest of the post.

So here's the deal, 304 Park Avenue South is the name of the entire giant building they are in

Yes, I just found that out and there are some very interesting people in that building too. The real estate agents are also of extreme interest.. so I have you to thank for some new stuff I'll soon be posting :-)

and they are in the basement of that

ah yes, basements...

As to your other post, you gave me a list of border tunnels. I understand why tunnels would be used a guarded border crossing. But Manhattan is not under Siege like Sarajevo was. These examples only prove my point.

The information I posted on the Waldorf Astoria explained how their tunnels were used for Roosevelt's convenience and quite possibly for later presidents. From our research it is common for VIPs to use tunnels to get around. Hollywood does the same. But if you chose to ignore that, be my guest...

I think your thesis has been disproven.

I haven't posted a thesis YET..

Are_we_sure ago

This is usually the point you apologize.

Not to someone who is trying to be an @s_hole.

Wow. You have a very strong reaction to facts.

Find the truth. I'm recording certain patterns in logistics at the moment.

Calling them logistics is not truthful by any measure. My Goodness. Cart before the horse much?

The information I posted on the Waldorf Astoria explained how their tunnels were used for Roosevelt's convenience and quite possibly for later presidents

And you did not show any of the other businesses you saw have any connection to this tunnel

I haven't posted a thesis YET..

Your these was SPiN chose to locate itself by a tunnel and this was significant enough to investigate other businesses in the area. But of course, you haven't show any malfeasance connected to SPiN to begin with, but you then jump ahead to imagining a logistics network.

You're witchhunting.

letsdothis3 ago

Wow. You have a very strong reaction to facts.

You initially provided no links for your claim about the address. That's on you.

Calling them logistics is not truthful by any measure. My Goodness. Cart before the horse much?

Recording which buildings and organisations are along a tunneling system is a logistics exercise. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistics

And you did not show any of the other businesses you saw have any connection to this tunnel

I haven't gone through all the material online yet.. with the data we already have on voat, those organisations/companies do warrant our attention.

But of course, you haven't show any malfeasance connected to SPiN to begin with, but you then jump ahead to imagining a logistics network.

I don't imagine - I leave that for the Left. The fact that you are spending so much time here is amusing.

You're witchhunting.

Another cut and paste leftist accusation. Amusing again- apparently it's the season of the witch. Haven't you heard?

I won't reply to any more remarks- too much to post.

Are_we_sure ago

You initially provided no links for your claim about the address. That's on you.

You have made multiple posts about SPiN. I assumed you had a basic understanding of the fact and an understanding where it was.

Recording which buildings and organisations are along a tunneling system is a logistics exercise.

No it's not. Because you still have shown if they have any access to the tunnels or how they avoid the trains that use these tunnels. Because we are talking about a subway, it's the part of MetroNorth that is submerged.

I haven't gone through all the material online yet.. with the data we already have on voat, those organisations/companies do warrant our attention.

Right because they connect to Spin which is right next door through a secret tunnel system. Except they don't. So you just have a random collection of business near Park Ave and Park Ave South, but let's call this a logistics exercise! Because that will make them seem connected in some way.