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Vindicator ago

@letsdothis2, you've got what is probably a completely inaccurate per Rule 2 statement here:

a masonic lodge or the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers that both Dyncorp and Aerojet belong to

The IAM is a huge international labor union for aerospace machinists, not a Masonic Lodge. Unless there is some actual evidence that the union is a Masonic organization, this claim makes this whole thread look like disinfo. (You may not be aware, but we have a history of numerous sketchy accounts pushing bogus claims about Masonic affiliation to push important topics into the "conspiracy theory" dismissal zone and probably protect Masons actually involved in criminal activity by muddying the waters).

I'm also having a difficult time understanding how this thread shows any direct relevance between the Woolsey fire and pizzagate per Rule 1. It happened at a property that was once owned by a company that once employed the business partner of someone who happens to own a business next door to a business that Ashton Kushner once was seen entering? I'm sorry, but that just doesn't meet our definition of PG relevance. It's pretty much 100% speculative. While those individual tidbits are definitely interesting and worth researching as leads, this belongs in v/pizzagatewhatever until actual relationships can be documented.

I will give this the 24 Hour Grace flair because that is our policy, but this really doesn't belong here as written at this point.

carmencita ago

http://ll1542.goiam.org/

*The next regular meeting will be held on Tuesday, Sept. 16, 2014

Please note * the Regular Monthly Union meetings will be held at the Masonic Hall on James St. until further notice( This is the street going to the Nick Smith Arena. )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Association_of_Machinists_and_Aerospace_Workers

On May 5, 1888, Thomas W. Talbot, a railroad machinist in Atlanta, Georgia, founded the Order of United Machinists and Mechanical Engineers. Talbot and 18 others had been members in the Knights of Labor. Talbot believed that a union needed to be formed for railroad machinists that would resist wage cuts. He wanted to provide insurance against unemployment, illness, and accidents but also wanted railroad machinists to be recognized for their craft skill. Unlike the Knights of Labor, who accepted everyone, Talbot's union accepted only white U.S. citizens, preferably native-born. The union excluded blacks, women, and non-citizens, and had secret passwords. Despite the secrecy, the order spread beyond Georgia, thanks in part to "boomers", men who traveled the railway lines for work. These boomers established local lodges in new areas. Within one year there were 40 lodges, and by 1891, there were 189.

AFL-CIO and Knights of Labor

http://www.yorkrite.com/ia/lodge2/06.html

Beginning at top left and reading across: AFL-CIO Union Label: Pulp, Sulphite & Paper Mill Workers; Operative Plasterers and Cement Masons: Stage Employees and Motion Pictures Operators: Machinists and Aerospace Workers: Tool and Die Makers Union Shop Label; Carpenters Union: Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union: Bill Posters, Billers and Distributors Union; Amalgamated Meat Cutters & Butcher Workers: Fling Glass Workers Union Label and Machinists Union Label.

Certainly knighthood and all its appendant evils was nothing to which the average citizen of today, and more especially the average workingman, would aspire. The role of the workman in the chivalric society of the middle ages was only a little lower than that of the knights' horses and hounds. But regardless of the incongruity involved, workmen usually seemed discontented with the origin of their organizations and endeavor to prove, to themselves at least, some type of noble origin.

The Knights of Labor blessed their organization with elaborate ceremonies, many of the reminiscent of the Masonic institution.

This order maintained great secrecy, and until about 1880 was not even called by its proper name in communications, the symbol for the name of the order being a "triangle within a circle" or, at other periods. "Five stars." In fact, the order carried its secrecy to such a degree that in many calls were even chalked in secret symbols on sidewalks or fences to summon the membership to the meetings.

Most of this secrecy and indeed most of the ritual of the order can be traced to Uriah Stevens, who belonged to a great number of fraternal organizations, including the Masonic fraternity.

Actually the thing which he and his contemporaries were trying to create when they founded the Knights of Labor was not particularly a trade union but a type of Masonic order for the working classes.

I think this information shows proof that there is "actual evidence that the union is a Masonic organization".

letsdothis2 ago

And read this https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2854628/15050393

This is the reason I posted here, for that kind of feedback, People need to look at pizzagate from a SYSTEMS point of view, not only individual cases of pedophilia. Compartmentalisation is the reason they've been getting away with it for so long.

Vindicator ago

People need to look at pizzagate from a SYSTEMS point of view, not only individual cases of pedophilia. Compartmentalisation is the reason they've been getting away with it for so long.

I absolutely agree with you, LDT...but for this sub, it has to be written up and supported with links in a very concrete way, with the connections spelled out. Not scattershot as a conglomeration of leads and suspicious facts. That is exactly why we have more than one subverse -- the preliminary research submissions relying on hunches and speculation go in v/pizzagtewhatever, and the ones that make a sound case go in v/pizzagate. Ultimately, some material will move from pgwhatever to pg as it develops.

Systems submissions are fine for v/pizzagate, so long as the system and how it relates to the pedo elite abusing kids can be clearly described and claims sourced with supporting links.

NOMOCHOMO ago

Upvoat!

Systems are the Rat Lines of Procurement, Use, and Disposal.

By limiting "the elite" that we investigate to those initially discovered in the wikileaks, we are only looking at a SLICE of the whole PIZZA

There are multiple competing networks, and I suspect they don't all lead to the DNC

letsdothis2 ago

they don't all lead to the DNC

Sssshh.. careful what you say round here. Lol. I tend to be careful with those drops of information. Baby steps, baby steps...

NOMOCHOMO ago

Lol. I hear ya, but I'm not so tactful. Baby steps take too long

I prefer loud micdrops

letsdothis2 ago

Lol. I like your style.

NOMOCHOMO ago

Thanks man. Ditto. You have a lot more self-control and patience.

letsdothis2 ago

The IAM is a huge international labor union for aerospace machinists, not a Masonic Lodge.

I'll edit my statement to say that this was alleged in that post, however....

https://i.imgtc.com/NsMIchl.png IAM INVICTUS Mic Drop

I feel another post coming on.

I understand your reasoning in terms of Rule 1 so if you want to delete this post after 24 hrs that's fine with me. If I delete it the information will be lost, if you do it, it won't. :-)

Vindicator ago

I understand your reasoning in terms of Rule 1 so if you want to delete this post after 24 hrs that's fine with me. If I delete it the information will be lost, if you do it, it won't. :-)

A lot of interesting stuff has come up in discussion of this thread -- but without it being rewritten to clearly show a likely connection between the fire and elite child abuse, I can't leave it up under Rule 1. I'm going to go ahead and remove it now. Please do repost at least a link submission to it's url https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2854628 in v/pizzagatewhatever.

If you want to make a thread about deep state infiltration of labor unions, you'll want to find a way to link it to organized sexual abuse of kids and/or propping up those we think are behind it...perhaps by showing votes and/or money being funneled to them. If you want to start the thread in v/pizzagatewhatever and ping mods, we may be able to help figure out what is needed for posting to the main board.

Removing now per Rule 1. Keep digging! :-)

@think- @EricKaliberhall

letsdothis2 ago

Lol. I now understand the insiders meaning of the whole mic drop thing. BOOM!

Vindicator ago

That is quite interesting. If the masons are as nefarious as some claim, it would make sense that they would infiltrate labor unions in order to control voting blocks. One could argue that IAM members were the illegal aliens of their day...the same playbook probably applied. I wonder how that lines up with other world events...

I understand your reasoning in terms of Rule 1 so if you want to delete this post after 24 hrs that's fine with me. If I delete it the information will be lost, if you do it, it won't. :-)

Understood. :-)

I feel another post coming on.

We could use some serious research posts on masonry that aren't 90% innuendo + woo woo confirmation bias sourced only by obscure blogs. I look forward to it. :-)

letsdothis2 ago

it would make sense that they would infiltrate labor unions in order to control voting blocks.

I recently came across some information that seemed to indicate that is exactly what happened. I'll have to try and remember where I saw that.

NOMOCHOMO ago

@letsdothis2

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/curiosities/index.html

Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon:

The International Association of Machinists logo contained a square and callipers. When they re-formed with the aerospace workers they modified the original logo.

http://www.yorkrite.com/ia/lodge2/06.html

Iowa Research Lodge No.2:

Since the institution of Freemasonry was originally adapted from the craft of the stone workers, one of the guilds or building trades, it should not be surprising that many similarities can be traced between the various labor organizations and the Masonic Order.

http://www.stichtingargus.nl/vrijmetselarij/iamaw_r.html

International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers Ritual 1964

"I promise to treat as sacred the business of this Association and all its transactions of which I may be aware, and not reveal them to any other than members."

https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=7912402162

letsdothis2 ago

Thank you for the contributions. I'll have a look at the links.

It's clearly masonic to me, and the whole aerospace industry is at the very least corrupt in the conventional sense, but my own research indicates to me that the corruption goes deeper and has occultic elements. I have written many posts on the origins of the Jet Propulsion Lab, Crowley, Parsons et al., and even their possible involvement in FF. Some people may not be paying attention ;-)

NOMOCHOMO ago

Also FF? False Flags?

letsdothis2 ago

Here's an example: https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/2150980

It's about the Parsons Green bombing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsons_Green_train_bombing

Four other attacks occurred in England in the months preceding the bombing: the Westminster attack, the Manchester Arena bombing, the London Bridge attack and the Finsbury Park attack.[12] According to the BBC home affairs correspondent Dominic Casciani, along with the Parsons Green train bombing and police having foiled at least seven 'significant plots', this makes it "the most sustained period of terror activity in England since the IRA bombing campaign of the 1970s."

ALL of those listed attacks are considered suspect by 'conspiracy theorists'.

NOMOCHOMO ago

Your work is excellent. Of course it's FreeMasonic, otherwise they wouldn't use the same styles of oaths and symbology.

A Mason was a bricklayer. It literally was founded as a labour group by the most talented "builders" of the era...in the modern era those "builders" are machinists, aerospace engineers, etc

Also there are 100s of obituaries that reference the deceased as members of both the IAM and Masonic lodges.

TrustTheTruth ago

WHO BANNED JENNY MOORE?

What mods Betrayed Jenny Moore?

Who did Jenny Moore return to Voat to meet with?

Why is George Webb Sweitgart afraid of The Truth and why is he censoring what he Knows is The Truth?

Who does George work for, and what happens to everyone George meets with?

What really happened after Jenny returned to Voat?

What mods wrote slanderous hit pieces about Jenny Moore after she was killed?

What did Jenny believe that George does not?

Why have mods subjectively enforced rules, why have they lied to the community, and why did they target the most influential users here?

Why are the Mods at Voat Corrupt and Complicit to MURDERS OF THEIR OWN COMMUNITY MEMBERS?