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Vindicator ago

@letsdothis2, you've got what is probably a completely inaccurate per Rule 2 statement here:

a masonic lodge or the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers that both Dyncorp and Aerojet belong to

The IAM is a huge international labor union for aerospace machinists, not a Masonic Lodge. Unless there is some actual evidence that the union is a Masonic organization, this claim makes this whole thread look like disinfo. (You may not be aware, but we have a history of numerous sketchy accounts pushing bogus claims about Masonic affiliation to push important topics into the "conspiracy theory" dismissal zone and probably protect Masons actually involved in criminal activity by muddying the waters).

I'm also having a difficult time understanding how this thread shows any direct relevance between the Woolsey fire and pizzagate per Rule 1. It happened at a property that was once owned by a company that once employed the business partner of someone who happens to own a business next door to a business that Ashton Kushner once was seen entering? I'm sorry, but that just doesn't meet our definition of PG relevance. It's pretty much 100% speculative. While those individual tidbits are definitely interesting and worth researching as leads, this belongs in v/pizzagatewhatever until actual relationships can be documented.

I will give this the 24 Hour Grace flair because that is our policy, but this really doesn't belong here as written at this point.

carmencita ago

http://ll1542.goiam.org/

*The next regular meeting will be held on Tuesday, Sept. 16, 2014

Please note * the Regular Monthly Union meetings will be held at the Masonic Hall on James St. until further notice( This is the street going to the Nick Smith Arena. )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Association_of_Machinists_and_Aerospace_Workers

On May 5, 1888, Thomas W. Talbot, a railroad machinist in Atlanta, Georgia, founded the Order of United Machinists and Mechanical Engineers. Talbot and 18 others had been members in the Knights of Labor. Talbot believed that a union needed to be formed for railroad machinists that would resist wage cuts. He wanted to provide insurance against unemployment, illness, and accidents but also wanted railroad machinists to be recognized for their craft skill. Unlike the Knights of Labor, who accepted everyone, Talbot's union accepted only white U.S. citizens, preferably native-born. The union excluded blacks, women, and non-citizens, and had secret passwords. Despite the secrecy, the order spread beyond Georgia, thanks in part to "boomers", men who traveled the railway lines for work. These boomers established local lodges in new areas. Within one year there were 40 lodges, and by 1891, there were 189.

AFL-CIO and Knights of Labor

http://www.yorkrite.com/ia/lodge2/06.html

Beginning at top left and reading across: AFL-CIO Union Label: Pulp, Sulphite & Paper Mill Workers; Operative Plasterers and Cement Masons: Stage Employees and Motion Pictures Operators: Machinists and Aerospace Workers: Tool and Die Makers Union Shop Label; Carpenters Union: Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union: Bill Posters, Billers and Distributors Union; Amalgamated Meat Cutters & Butcher Workers: Fling Glass Workers Union Label and Machinists Union Label.

Certainly knighthood and all its appendant evils was nothing to which the average citizen of today, and more especially the average workingman, would aspire. The role of the workman in the chivalric society of the middle ages was only a little lower than that of the knights' horses and hounds. But regardless of the incongruity involved, workmen usually seemed discontented with the origin of their organizations and endeavor to prove, to themselves at least, some type of noble origin.

The Knights of Labor blessed their organization with elaborate ceremonies, many of the reminiscent of the Masonic institution.

This order maintained great secrecy, and until about 1880 was not even called by its proper name in communications, the symbol for the name of the order being a "triangle within a circle" or, at other periods. "Five stars." In fact, the order carried its secrecy to such a degree that in many calls were even chalked in secret symbols on sidewalks or fences to summon the membership to the meetings.

Most of this secrecy and indeed most of the ritual of the order can be traced to Uriah Stevens, who belonged to a great number of fraternal organizations, including the Masonic fraternity.

Actually the thing which he and his contemporaries were trying to create when they founded the Knights of Labor was not particularly a trade union but a type of Masonic order for the working classes.

I think this information shows proof that there is "actual evidence that the union is a Masonic organization".