You are viewing a single comment's thread.

view the rest of the comments →

EffYouJohnPodesta ago

He is the founder of Point72 Asset Management Cohen is reportedly building a private museum for some of his artwork on his Greenwich property. He owns or has owned artworks by Lucio Fontana, Alberto Giacometti, Willem de Kooning, Jeff Koons, Edvard Munch, Pablo Picasso, and Andy Warhol.

Is this the same Jeff Koons as the one who has a gigantic CP photo hanging up at the Whitney, from James Alefantis's IG?

Are_we_sure ago

That gigantic photo was NOT CP it was just regular P. The woman in the photo was his 40 year old wife.

EffYouJohnPodesta ago

others have said the opposite, how could we know? It looked like the butt size of an underage, very very young girl.

Are_we_sure ago

others have said the opposite,

Yes and they were misinformed. And did not look into this at all.

how could we know?

We can know because Jeff Koons is a famous enough artist that his work is documented and if any one researched this photo at all, they will learn that it was part of a series he did with his wife who was born in 1951. She was 39 or 40 at the time of the photo. You could learn all this from his Wikipedia page which shows the people saying the opposite didn't bother to even check.

Made in Heaven series In 1989 the Whitney Museum and its guest curator Marvin Heiferman asked Koons to make an artwork about the media on a billboard for the show "Image World: Art and Media Culture". The billboard was meant as an advertisement for an unmade movie, entitled Made in Heaven. Koons employed his then-wife Ilona Staller ("Cicciolina") as a model in the shoot that formed the basis of the resulting work for the Whitney, Made in Heaven (1990–91).

It looked like the butt size of an underage, very very young girl

Adult butts come in a lot of shapes and sizes. This was the butt of a 5'6" 40 year old woman.

And I just learned that the name she used as a performer, Cicciolina, means "a little chubby." So a 40 year old woman who is a little chubby.

This is what his wife looked like about two years after those photos.

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/la-cicciolina-in-paris-france-on-february-17-1993-picture-id108388481

EffYouJohnPodesta ago

I don't think that is a real woman.

I have 7 kids and I've watched them grow into puberty, there's no doubt in my mind the girl in the photo is younger than my teenage boys by several years. My niece who is on the thin side has a much larger body than this photo. At 13, I had a body that was basically fully grown hip wise. That was a girl, not a 40 year old woman.

There's literally no possibility of this being confirmation bias at least not in my case, I decided it was CP before anyone else mentioned they thought so.

Do gay guys normally post heterosexual porn on their IG pages?

This either confirms James Alefantis is bisexual or that he's a bisexual pedophile. But that 'wife' photo you sent me is the tranniest looking thing I've seen all week.

Are_we_sure ago

I don't think that is a real woman.

Do you mean a grown woman? You're not implying it's not a person, are you?

That was a girl, not a 40 year old woman.

You are wrong. She was definitely a grown woman. She was born in 1951 in Hungary. She didn't even get to Italy until she was 21 or 22 years old. She had a been a famous personality in Italy since 1973, she had a radio show, was in porn movies, she released albums and was an elected member of the Italian government all before she met Jeff Koons https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1987/07/03/new-parliament-convenes-in-italy/f9488f63-5c47-493a-ac29-693cabf27fa3/?utm_term=.d2b75d613e60

Staller, 37, who surprised everyone, including the Radicals, by winning a seat in Parliament, did manage to steal the show in the traditional parade of arriving politicos at Parliament's Piazza Montecitorio today. .... She had been put forth as a candidate by the Radical Party as an act of ridicule of the Parliament. The party clearly expected her to be defeated; instead she polled the party's second-highest vote.

There's literally no possibility of this being confirmation bias at least not in my case, I decided it was CP before anyone else mentioned they thought so.

It's a 100% a case of confirmation bias. Because you decided it was CP when it was a 40 year old woman is you confirming your own biases. Confirmation Bias doesn't not have to do with going along with the crowd. It's about evaluating evidence in a way to confirm your own conclusions.

The evidence you evaluated is based a small group of people who are not this woman

I have 7 kids and I've watched them grow into puberty, there's no doubt in my mind the girl in the photo is younger than my teenage boys by several years. My niece who is on the thin side has a much larger body than this photo. At 13, I had a body that was basically fully grown hip wise.

You having a different body type that this woman says nothing about her or how she would look when she was 40.

You experienced this photo and probably Jeff Koons himself in the context of pizzagate, a subject on which people hold very strong views, a context ripe for confirmation bias.

Outside the context of pizzagate, in reality this photo was created by Koons as part of a whole series he did with his wife. it was just another photo in the series. you can see what she looks like in other photos from the series. I would not have pinned her for 39/40 in these images, but that's what she was. She never even met Koons until she was past 35.

Here's a relatively safe for work photo from that series http://www.jeffkoons.com/sites/default/files/styles/380x_height/public/artwork-images/mih1_sm.jpg?itok=qh2y-F6h

This one is less safe for work, but not porn http://www.jeffkoons.com/sites/default/files/styles/380x_height/public/artwork-images/mih27_sm.jpg?itok=EQBiDKjr

Here's her on a 1990 cover of the Argentianian version of Playboy http://img5.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/m/r/mrszoldsha1wzslw.jpg?djet1p5k

Here's her and Koons a year after that exhibit. She seems to be pregnant https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/floral-sculpture-of-jeff-koons-in-bad-arolsen-germany-in-june-koons-picture-id113991980

A close up of her in 1989. Note the eyes. https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/cicciolina-in-budapest-hungary-on-april-23rd-1989-news-photo/108558813

here's a NSFW topless shot from the 1988 Cannes film festival. It shows her hips. https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/41st-cannes-film-festival-1988-le-41%C3%A8me-festival-de-cannes-news-photo/160750966

another NSFW topless shot that shows her hips https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/actrice-italenne-ilona-staller-alias-la-cicciolina-%C3%A0-rome-news-photo/862229314

another close up see mouth and eyes for age. 1988 https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/portrait-de-la-cicciolina-tokyo-le-22-avril-1988-japon-picture-id965978918

EffYouJohnPodesta ago

Re: your response is too long and I didn't bother to read it, sorry.

I was saying she looks like a tranny. I'm not going back to the IG photo to look at CP. You're welcome to your opinion. I'm of the opinion that a butt that small is a child.

Are_we_sure ago

I'm of the opinion that a butt that small is a child.

TL/DR ................you're wrong.

We know who the model was. She was famous in Italy for 15 years before she met Jeff Koons. I posted a bunch of photos of what she looked from the time the photos were taken.

You mistaking a 39/40 year old woman for a underage girl is definitely confirmation bias. One of the Jeff Koons photos which is explicit shows her full body and shows the size of her 39 year old hips.

EffYouJohnPodesta ago

That's cool. Have a nice day.