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sore_ass_losers ago

Good article, I would quibble with this part:

"Process Church...membership incl. David Berkowitz, Charlie Manson, Michael Vail Carr III, actor Bobby Beausoleil, millionaire (& sex. slave owner) Andrew Crispo, Dorris Day’s son, Beach Boy’s drummer Dennis Wilson, John Philips (of the Mamas & Papas) & Jimmy Savile."

You may be able to tie these people to Process (don't recognize all the names) but it's a stretch to say they were officially members, just like that, w/o any support. Kind of an inflammatory, throw-away comment. Perhaps Springmeier has covered these individuals elsewhere?

Manson and Savile did interviews with the Process magazine, so did Paul McCartney, Mick Jagger, and groupie Marianne Faithful. Does that make them all members? To be members they would have to undergo Scientology-like auditing('/brainwashing').

Dennis Wilson got involved with the Manson family for the girls, music, and ideas, and famously ditched them by abandoning his rented house to them. (Most detailed account I've read http://www.nedrock.org/bad-vibrations-dennis-wilson-the-manson-family/ . Dennis Wilson was the only Beach Boy to surf!)

sore_ass_losers ago

Here's an Aangirfan that also claims Faithful was a Process member and that according to Maury Terry Process specifically "sought to recruit the Rolling Stones".

https://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2016/02/elm-guest-house-rolling-stones.html

Also there's this about Keith Richard:

'In 1980, Scott Cantrell, the seventeen-year-old caretaker of Keith Richard's New England estate, was found shot dead in Anita Pallenberg's bed.

Keith Richard's house was located near the East Coast headquarters of the Process Church.

According to an article in the English newspaper Midnite, a Connecticut police officer, Michael Passaro, who had responed to the "suicide'' reported "strange singing" from the woods a quarter mile from the Richard's mansion.

According to the newspaper, "There have been several bizarre satanic rituals in the area over the past five years."'

votesarestolen ago

More accurate would be to say that the Manson Family and Berkowitz plus his Son of Sam accomplices were members of cults that branched off from the Process Church and took their ideology. Defenders of the Process Church get upset when these people are called members of the official church itself, and they're technically correct, but it's not a highly relevant distinction. The Process Church is most likely an intelligence front designed to draw in people who will congregate into Satanic cults that are inspired by the Process but technically not affiliated with the organization. As a piece of suggestive evidence, consider the fact that the Process Church was incorporated by New Orleans intelligence asset Tommy Baumler.

sore_ass_losers ago

"Baumbler [sic] was an attorney based out of New Orleans. He helped the Process incorporate as a church with tax exempt status in 1966. Processean Timothy Wylie remembered him fondly in 'Love Sex Fear Death.'

Baumbler would later on become ordained in a very strange church known as the American Orthodox Catholic Church (AOCC). Several individuals linked to the JFK assassination seem to have been involved with this church, which has led some to believe it was an intelligence front. I've written a bit on the AOCC before here.

['here' links to http://visupview.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-jfk-assassination-strange-and_22.html]

What's more, the AOCC seems to have shared membership overlap with an even more mysterious and intelligence connected organization known as the Sovereign Order of Saint John (SOSJ). Its membership included over a dozen former US generals and admirals and a few CIA assets by the 1960s. I've written more on the SOSJ before here.

['here' links to http://visupview.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-vast-right-wing-conspiracy-secret_8539.html] "

http://visupview.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-process-strange-and-terrible_31.html in comments

sore_ass_losers ago

Here's an interview with Kerry Thornley, who was pals with Oswald in the military:

K.T.: The guy I talked to in New Orleans always said that they were going to get Martin Luther King. As for Bobby Kennedy, I don’t know. There’s one common thread that runs through all this stuff and that’s an organization that was organized shortly after Kennedy’s death and that was the PROCESS CHURCH. W.C.H.: I’m familiar with that. K.T.: They had tried to frame me in New Orleans for something I didn’t do, which had been my actual participation in the assassination, which I didn’t realize until later. They were involved in Kennedy’s death somehow, I believe. That might be the link right there. W.C.H.: They seemed to almost be a Manson like cult. K.T.: Some of them were. Some of them were with Papa Doc Devallier, some were with Trudeau, (laughs) I forget the other name…but there were three questions to find out whether you were a Satanist, a Luciferian, and a Jehovist. The Satanist answer was Papa Doc; the Luciferian answer was Trudeau. So their politics were quite varied.

https://flyingtigercomics.wordpress.com/tag/lee-harvey-oswald/

sore_ass_losers ago

That would be Papa Doc of Haiti, and, I think, Pierre Trudeau.

sore_ass_losers ago

I'd agree with ideological descendants of Process.

Whoa, so Baumler operated out of Guy Bannister's office address, the popular 544 Camp St. Very tangled up indeed, with this tie to the JFK assassination.

votesarestolen ago

Yeah, the JFK assassination link is pretty creepy. And that's not the only place where it shows up. David Ferrie was, according to Daniel Hopsicker in Barry and 'the Boys', a pedophile who had "books on the occult and hypnotism" in his house. Harry Connick, Jim Garrison's successor as DA who tried to destroy a lot of his files, helped cover up child abuse by a Catholic priest.

pixiesbitch ago

Interesting that Terry Melcher is mentioned (Doris Day’s son) it was at his house that Sharon Tate was murdered IIRC. George Harrison talks about partying in Laurel Canyon and going to Doris Day’s house. Manson and the Beatles have too many links. It’s just so obvious at this point the beatles were a complete fabrication. :((((

sore_ass_losers ago

AFAIK the official version is Manson was pissed at Melcher because of some issue with his failed recording career, so Tate, et. al., weren't targeted.

Once however Manson claimed Tate & Polanski were making child porn, distributing on early, very expensive video recorders.

Miles Mathis has an interesting Manson article, claims, predictably, that much/all was faked.

pixiesbitch ago

you know what, pizzagaters? why don't you fuck off.

pixiesbitch ago

Well they probably were members.

sore_ass_losers ago

I would say likeminded individuals, who believed in the equivalence of Jehovah, Lucifer, and Satan. Hence Luciferans and Satanists.

pixiesbitch ago

Why would I be downvoted when I’m trying to help

sore_ass_losers ago

Hit a nerve, or maybe people don't like Springmeier? All this information comes from a spectrum of sources from mainstream to deep conspiracy theory. I think Fritz Springmeier falls towards the latter to most. I'll check out the article.

pixiesbitch ago

Springmeier though? He has written those very informative books about MK Ultra and mind control. I think it’s just someone who has seen my comments where I was upset about my favourite band being smeared by all of this.

letsdothis2 ago

It wasn't done by me, just so you know. And ignore stuff like that. One hardly ever knows the reason for down votes.