So many folks claiming this story is fake and a scam. WHY would Lewis implore for people to come down and search if it were? I mean wouldn't anyone coming down witness it being 'fake' if it were? Typically scammers don't share their profits with strangers and demand boots on the ground in a hot desert.
SNOPES is awful. Sure we already know. I didn't until now. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-childs-skull-found-alleged-sex-trafficking-bunker/ I became left-ugee during election cycle...but these people. Wow! So it's easily debunked by looking only at local news sources that confirm your hypothesis and stating that migrant deaths in the desert are "sadly" (sad face emoji) common. Did the bleeding heart liberals just tell us to fuck off b/c nothing to see here? ...JUST another dead immigrant ; No need to investigate further!!! Just a dead brown person, non-item. I was going independent - libertarian...might go full Republican just to spite you self-righteous, racist a-holes. At least the racists on Voat know they're racist! F'n hypocrites. Sorry so ranty. Don't know where else to deal with this.
You're awake to it now. No going back. A brave step, freeing yourself from the thought control and brainwashing. My wife is still in her shell, doesn't know the significance of the Steele dossier. She's adamant she's right, my judgement is flawed looking at all this insane stuff on the web. It's not worth looking into. Trump's guilty and a horrid racist too. I've tried several times to help her...
Chozo here. I'm down here with Louis and everybody (very limited wi-fi so cannot get on v/pg much). We found a child's skull yesterday and the media are calling it an adult. There was still soft, wet tissue inside the head where it was severed from the spine. Had to be recent for any moisture to be there in this desert dry heat.
Oh, wow....This is getting serious. We are going to need more info on this about what is done with the skull, testing, some kind of official confirmation. Notice the authorities don't want to help. Anybody surprised? At what point do these individuals get push back?
Thanks to the interesting insight of @YogSoggoth I decided to look up decomposistion rates to try to triangulate thr approximate time of death for the body.
I believe the child's time of death was less than 3 months ago, for that is the time at which mummification occurs. In a hot environment, the smell of death can form in less than 24 hours.
If we can find the time at which the smell disappears, it's possible to establish an end point to the approximation.
Best Thanksgiving was when I was going fishing and hit that turkey. Best gator was when I saw that van in front of me run a 4 footer's head in the middle of the road. I threw him in the trunk, and turned around before I ever wet my line. Roadkill is better than hunted as long as the intestinal tract is not ruptured. Reason it is better is that it is closer to the vehicle thus closer to the kitchen at home. Keep up the good work.
You look like you've got a crew of vote-manipulators that'll use their sockpuppets to push something to the front page. How's that for clear, you innocent-LARPing-faggot?
I think we all owe a little commendation/gratitude to the folks out there trying to do this work. Nobody goes traipsing off into the desert ona Larp. Nobody enjoys THAT job. It’s effort on behalf of victims.
I'm convinced the bastards are trafficking children around the border, we all know that is true. Some of the claims the guy from VOP made though just don't seem true. For example:
People have described the "restraints" as being child size and height from the ground. That just ain't true and this picture proves it. This is a grown man standing next to it and it is head level. Also they are different heights and turned different ways.
If a person was going to make some restraints they would probably make both of them the same way. Turned the same way and at the same height. That looks awkward as hell to be restraints. If they were for children they would also probably be closer to the ground maybe.
Considering they are turned different ways and at different heights it looks like they were either put up at different times and or for different purposes and it looks like both sides are nailed to the tree which would leave no way to tighten them. These things are big enough to stick a whole leg through too. Too big for wrists.
One is turned vertically. That could easily be for sticking a pole through to be attached to the main structure. A way to build an outcrop and extend the camp. If these are restraints its the worst attempt I can think of to make restraints.
Title Here Does it look like they hang children low, or at adult level? I thought you investigated PG? Bad day?
I know they hang kids up. I just think the meth head VOP guy is jumping to conclusions. Maybe its just me but I see those damn "wrist restraints" as a functional item for the camp. I think they are for sticking poles through to make a tent frame structure. Then you stretch a tarp over the frame. That is what my eye sees as most likely. Loops too big and can't be adjusted. Rope works wonders, those big ass loops? nahhhhhh Not functional as wrist restraints. A smart person would just use rope because those loops cannot be adjusted to fit a wrist.
Kind of agree, but in their art the child is always hanging from straps, not standing. Don't know about your logic. They don't worry about the child's comfort, they hang them at their own level most likely, or do you think they like to bend down to the childs level? You are sloppy today, but I respect you...for now.
Kind of agree, but in their art the child is always hanging from straps, not standing. Don't know about your logic. They don't worry about the child's comfort, they hang them at their own level most likely, or do you think they like to bend down to the childs level? You are sloppy today, but I respect you...for now.
i thought about the hanging aspect, but if a person wanted to make some restraints that was a really shitty way to do it. Good old fashioned rope would be a lot easier. Those huge loops would also require some rope to be functional and then the loops would be unnecessary because the rope would be doing all the work. I do not believe those are restraints. If I stick a person's wrist in there I still have to tie their wrist to the damn tree, then I can just cut the "restraints" because they ain't doing jack shit anyway.
Hey, for all we know, we are being trolled. But you are dismissing this on reasoning that I cannot run with. I'm am not going to back and forth about the art of tying wrist and width of restraints. An odd amount of minutia you drag out for your reasoning. Carmenicita is also very bothered by this, which is curious to me. She commented about the horror of children possibly being molested on pictures that were as focuses as ink blots, now she is trying to halt the train? Im not liking either of you very much at the moment. A response from either of you that would be ok is, if it seems to good to be true, it probably is, need more updates. But no, you have come up with restraint width, height objections and somebody else about skull not being dirty, it was, and she has not been her agreeing as always no matter what self. I will be watching both of you closer then the known shills. They are harmless hacks. You two were about the only ones left. I worry not about allies. Don't screw up.
Hey, for all we know, we are being trolled. But you are dismissing this on reasoning that I cannot run with. I'm am not going to back and forth about the art of tying wrist and width of restraints. An odd amount of minutia you drag out for your reasoning. Carmenicita is also very bothered by this, which is curious to me. She commented about the horror of children possibly being molested on pictures that were as focuses as ink blots, now she is trying to halt the train? Im not liking either of you very much at the moment. A response from either of you that would be ok is, if it seems to good to be true, it probably is, need more updates. But no, you have come up with restraint width, height objections and somebody else about skull not being dirty, it was, and she has not been her agreeing as always no matter what self. I will be watching both of you closer then the known shills. They are harmless hacks. You two were about the only ones left. I worry not about allies. Don't screw up.
Sure. roflmao...
I don't take people seriously that talk to GOD as much as this VOP guys does. If you want to see his "scientific" method for finding child traffickers go to 47 minutes. He finds a building that is probably a waypoint on the illegal immigrant highway and immediately brands it as a "place where children are being held." Later at 1:19 his secret method is revealed, GOD TOLD HIM.
The desert is a tough place to survive. I would imagine that illegal immigrants, dope smugglers, and child traffickers are using a lot of the same trails and waypoints to rest, get out of the Sun, restock with water, get out of the rain, etc...There is an enormous amount of trash, clothes, kids stuff, etc....at a lot of these places.
No doubt there is some terrible shit happening out in that desert, but, I have watched about 30 videos from this whackadoodle meth head VOP guy and I am not impressed with him. I think he is finally getting some recognition in his drug ridden life, his 15 minutes of fame, tons of donations, and he is milking it for all its worth.
Sometimes he gets that "crazy eyes" wide eyed look like a meth head and rants about God on and on and on. He is a fucking nut case. That don't mean he is totally wrong about everything, but his ass ain't stable from one day to the next. Some days he seems normal, next day a fucking maniac. He has not "discovered" shit. Its been going on in the desert for two hundred years. He just found himself a way to garner attention.
I do think he is helping people and I think his intentions are good. I also think he is fucking crazy and jumps to conclusions.
Craig Sawyer is a professional. I've seen the bullshit out there about him. Anything is possible, but I'd put it in the 3% chance this is anything remotely close to a LARP. There would be outtakes, jokes, some levity, some lack of professionalism caught in the videos, in the writing, or the reporting. Sawyer is a member of the Pipehitters Club (SOF). He's fully vetted and not a fraud.
I worked in the region from Tuscon, down to Bisbee and Sierra Vista. All the way up to the border. People die out there. We had strict protocols on travel, contact and ROE, etc. Not to mention food/water/med stocked. This isn't Sahara desert. This is high chaparral @ 3-5,000'. Bodies dessicate very fast. Carrion-feeders also make fast work of a body.
Human traffickers get paid when they deliver the final product. It's in their best interest to keep bodies alive. Chances are the bodies, if of children (look at skull size versus boot) were from ones that died or were too sick to travel on. The hair dye, airplane ticket, the comb and blonde hair, and American toy are very telling. No one is dyeing a Salvadoran kid's hair. They are snatching the highly prized white kids. Or Euro descent.
This site is a way station on a pedo underground railroad.
Could be a LARP. The people behind this can't be trusted. Why trust them? Why aren't some of them diverting resources to protesting outside of the WalMart in Texas where children are being held, and even a Senator can't get in to check on them? Why is no one even talking about that?
Yet you guys sell Trump, the Rothschild supported, Rockefeller associate, Jesuit, Zionist, Clinton and Epstein buddy, Freemason Potus of the rigged system. But hey, this one you draw the line.
And it could be aliens. And considering they are in AZ, wouldn't going to TX to try and get inside a place a Politician can't get in, be a bigger waste of resources?
I suggest you learn a bit more about Sawyer. He's a solid dude.
I think we can trust Sawyer to go about knee deep into this, like Jones. They’ll talk about trafficking. They’ll crack pedo skulls and interview whistleblowers for ratings. They won’t mention tha cabal though.
So far, I think we can trust Sawyer’s report here, but he’s got a leash that goes back to AJ.
“I’ve passed up opportunities to make a lot of money and sell out,” he said. “I don’t have a lot of money, and my family has stuck by me through thick and thin – and mostly thin – and so I’m always going to choose a lifestyle that I want my family around.”
He has purportedly raised a lot of money for this documentary project, but I am having trouble finding anything concrete about this online. Help?
He cares about putting an end to child trafficking yet has not mentioned the WalMart discovery https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2576365 on his Twitter, that I can tell anyway. Also he does not show normal emotion or cues that he believes what he is saying when talking about the "rape trees", etc in the AZ case (my personal opinion).
He blocks people just for questioning how the money he has raised is being spent, and calls them pedophiles. He is not helpful nor transparent ,which is unlike any other pizzagate researcher this youtuber has come across: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3zVw5z0yLE
Fred Burton of (((CIA))) Stratfor wants info on someone named "CHEESE"...who is a friend of Craig Sawyer;
Craig Sawyer wrote back to me about Cheese:
"Cheese was a friend of mine. We were on the same team at DEV together and he came to visit me in Atlantic City when we were both working for the Air Marshal Service together in the early days just after 9/11."
Thank you! Now who is the PUNK who was carrying on with me because I said BEING A NAVY SEAL is not a guarantee of character-ANY MF who did private work for HILLARY CLINTON is NOT TO BE TRUSTED
The former SEAL was John Eric Branchizio, known as "Cheese". Would be
grateful for any info about him? Thank you sometimes chees is just cheese and yes stratfor is a jewish front but guess what CS has no conenction other them him being contacted by old Fred. Not every person on Bill Hicks limited hangout is bad NANCY SCHAEFFER
I suggest you learn a bit more about Sawyer. He's a solid dude.
I don't agree here. Imo he's fishy. I don't trust him. That said, when the VOP are based in Tuscon, it would be natural to do their work there, wouldn't it?
We just need many people vetting different sites/leads. And yes, we should continue to looking into the Walmart story.
I think we probably won't find out what purposes the site they found near Tucson served.
I'm starting to change my mind somewhat. More is needed to be known here. I'm suffering from some cognitive dissonance and information overload. Too much information to process + work + life.
I hate the fact that I am having to retract some things, but the psyops are getting very sophisticated. I'm starting to think that one of the two narratives is false CEMEX/Sawyer or Wal-Mart.
I haven't had time to really dig into either one of them to watch body language etc., but my current bet is WalMart is disinfo, Sawyer is legit. @Honeybee_ did some vetting of Sawyer when he first got involved in Pizzagate. He is genuinely trying to help the kids.
Also, when he first got involved, there was a massive shill attack brigade that spammed every thread about him, produced multiple smear threads trying to discredit him, etc. The same shit they did to @PleadingtheYiff@abortionburger and other genuine investigators. Which, incidentally, they've never done to Alex Jones or George Webb.
Walmart in Brownesville TX is true, although, it is a former Walmart converted into an US Department of Health and Human Services facility, vetted yesterday <3
"US Senator Refused Entry to Facility Holding Migrants' Kids"
- New York Times
"Merkley was accused of grandstanding by Victoria Palmer, a spokeswoman for the Department of Health and Human Services' Administration for Children and Families.
It was out of concerns for "the safety, security and dignity of the children" that Merkley was barred from entering the Brownsville facility, Palmer said in an email.
"No one who arrives unannounced at one of our shelters demanding access to the children in our care will be permitted, even those claiming to be U.S. senators," the statement said.
Through a contractor, the agency is caring for the children being held in a former Walmart with blacked-out windows in Brownsville, a city along the Mexico border.
Thanks for that. I meant Merkley's visit to the "WalMart" was disinfo (an attempt to push the Trump is trafficking kids narrative), not that the facility was fake. :-)
Have you read the current thread about CS, Vin? It pretty much sums up what I've always thought about him. Plus my gut feeling / spider senses are always alerted when I watch him.
When Honeybee_ has a different opinion - for reasons whatsoever - ok, but I'd rather trust my own vetting.
TL;DR: Even when someone is smeared by the wrong people, he can still be fishy. That's not mutually exclusive I'm afraid.
I admit that I haven't look into the WalMart story properly, only read the recent thread about it.
What simply doesn't add up re the Cemex/Sawyer story is the still activity on the sub. LOL. But I'm not kidding.
All resident shills that went totally mad when we looked into Rachel Chandler and Maggie Nixon have not only been peaceful (one didn't even show up), they even contributed to the Cemex research. All of them. (Ok, maybe apart from AWS.)
That's highly suspicious. Not saying that a company that donated to the CF, that is based in Mexico etc. isn't fishy.
Yeah, something isn't adding up. I detest the idea that a SEAL, especially a 6 guy, could be involved this deeply with a Deep State LARP. Not like anyone I know.
Maybe both stories are to detract from Andy Spade?
There are more and more stories where I don't take sides. Trying to take be open to all possibilities. Like the story about the guy who shot six people.
Maybe he was 'just' a violent guy with a history of domestic violence.
Maybe it was a set-up.
Maybe both stories are true - he was violent, and his wife has been involved in something sinister.
Any flesh on a human skull in the desert would mean fresh or mummified. That did not look mummified.This is not a wasteful environment, and most things look for food at night.
Without proper forensics? Border towns are not known for that. I am an outdoorsman, and from what I saw from the extremely grainy video, that looked like flesh attached. It does not matter who is right in that argument inasmuch as the fact that something is not good here. By here, I mean out in the desert border, and possibly right here on our board. If anyone is disturbed by this, then they can comfort themselves by knowing, that is the way you are supposed to feel.
Yeah, I just posted on VOP and the disinfo shills coming out of the woodwork. This has to be huge because these shills are doxxing themselves to control this narrative.
"They never thought she would lose.
They never thought she would lose.
Fantasy land.
Fantasy land.
The complete picture would put 99% of Americans (the World) in a hospital.
POTUS is our savior."
Answer:
"The complete picture would put 99% of Americans (the World) in a hospital.
The world, and our own elites, are far more evil and degenerate than we may imagine. Their corruption is overwhelming and they have worked against the interests of the USA including treason."
Wow the shilling is so obvious in these comments. As far as the skull goes, I'm with @carmencita. It's cartel territory, so its unfortunately probably expected to find human remains, but to me it doesn't necessarily lend credibility to the child trafficking camp stuff.
Unless you realize that the coyotes are not regular humans and are connected to an organized worldwide crime syndicate no matter what their status is. Bushes played them off to fight each other there, and here in the USA.
Not trying to down the theory on the camp, just trying to make sure we cover all bases. https://www.usimmigration.com/immigrants-dead-arizona-desert.html There have been mass graves found and some say they may be killed by cartels. So what I am saying is that we need to cover ourselves. It does happen in the dessert. BUT there is also a chance that this could be what we have been thinking, a trafficking camp. @ESTTERICshade
Clearly you have been trying to down this from your first response. Scroll up. EsotericShade just made a ridiculous post that the straps were too high for a child, when we know they have images hanging children form up high, their feet not touching the ground. You two are having a really really bad day. You are both under heavy scrutiny from this point forward.
I have said over and over that the camp could be a reality. All I am saying is that things can be arranged and planted. We need more evidence and research. When this first broke I pointed out that it pointed to a trafficking site because the camp let to the back of the hotel.
Sure, but I am noticing you have been quick to validate things that were sketchy, like ultra blurry photos where you said you saw abuse. I do not forget bullshit, and my objective is always to find the moles. This is the first time I EVER saw you aggressively downplaying something. I make note of these things. You also mentioned the Truth Project and used the word "We" when talking about it. I feel most these sites are gatekeeping, although I admit I have no specific amunition about that site.
How about the "rape tree" that was at kid level? The panties, the bloody knife, the kids toys abandoned? The femur bone that was sawed off. Sorry but nah not buying it was "just immigration" and heat related accidentally talk death...
VOP see homeless camps all day all year it's their job, they know homeless camps..
Homeless people don't camp that far from services like WATER etc.
The comment about the restraints isn't thought through, because you would not just use the restraints alone but would also use handcuffs, or zip ties etc, also the picture he is using doesn't show the ground. When he showed them on video it was much lower. And also if you were restraining someone to do horrible things their hands would be elevated not low to the ground.
They also found lots of dark hair dyes, this leads to believe they were disguising people that are blonde as having brown hair. Think about that, why would they do such a thing? Think hard because I came up with a very good reason if you're trafficking children or even women.
A growing portion of the public are finding out the the government is lying and protecting child traffickers.
This is going to cause chaos!!!! It's happening!!!! Clif's predictions are true!!!!
The dollar is going to get fucked. Because it's being propped up anyway and once the American people turn on the ruling government The currency wars will begin! Currencies are falling apart already in Italy it's going to help bring down the euro cad and dollar. The fiat system of the west is doomed!
Wrong, the dollar is manipulated and cannot get fucked. The worlds central banks are owned by different combinations of the same 40 or so elite families, the head of which are Rothschild. They can trade in the money they print for any currency. They aren't even spending money when they do it, just holding it in another currency. They all trade their local currencies for dollars simultaneously whenever needed, propping the dollar back up. You aren't aware that all markets are rigged? Watch the dollar vs all currencies simultaneously...they move in unison.
The point is they will break the dollar to stop the people from rising against them. Much like the printing of continental dollars, destroying the economy is part of war.
Are you talking about Clif High? I used to listen to him a lot, but somehow forgot about keeping up with him. If this is who you're talking about, send a link please to where he's talking about this. I'm very interested.
Ughhh that would be tough to find. It's within the past 9 months, an interview on youtube, maybe with crypt0, I think he has more than 1 interview with him. it's not on his channel I do not think. however there is a plethora of fake copy cat channels that copy his stuff, so look for view count and channel subscribers and actual original content. probably mid dec to 1st q. 2018 I think it was before btc hit 20k.
No worries, and thanks for letting me know it is Clif High and that it was a recent prediction. His work is so fascinating! I'll have to start following him again. Very smart guy.
There are probably thousands of human skulls and some of them children (tears) out in the dessert. Since this property belongs to Cemex and they have Cartel connections, a skull is expected evidence. But where did it come from? Did it belong to immigrants crossing the boarder? Did some MS-13 members kill some more people? Yes, they kill children too, even though some of them are not far from that age. Too many unanswered questions as usual. Cemex and the Cabal are not to be trusted.
No not downplaying just saying before we go whole hog on this we should look at all evidence. Also that we are targets of the elite cabal. Right now I am sitting on the fence. Just waiting til all is looked at. With items being found, yes they can certainly point to child trafficking, but again, they can also be placed there as fake evidence. Not faulting VOP but possibly others.
It could also have been planted by an over-enthusiastic VOP member to create news, or bad guys looking to discredit VOP with evidence that would backfire on them somehow, or a prankster from an anthropology lab who is trolling everyone.
In the pics that I've seen the skull was clean and sitting out in the open, which is suspicious. That's what you get when you carry a skull into a site and set it down. I didn't see any signs of them having dug it up or brushed dirt off of it.
It looked clean? I am not an expert on finding skulls as you seam to be, but it looked like it had sediment on it. Tell us, what the average found skull should look like in the dirt? Some odd expertise in this forum about this subject.
This looks clean? It was kicked from out under a bush to see what kind of bone it was if I understand correctly. Their theory is it was from a shallow grave and an animal dug it up, which is plausible.
Oh you are so smart. There are so many out there ready to discredit those that want to do good or especially our cause. Cemex has many at their disposal that are connected to MS 13 and other goons. I was and am still hoping that this camp is the Real McCoy. I have seen a lot though in the almost yr and a half on here, so need to be cautious.
You are gung-ho, until possible credible evidence is presented, then you get semi aggressive. Keep talking, I want to hear more how much this bothers you.
Yes, that is true. But those things can all be planted. I am just saying we need to be careful. AND yes, I am also saying it could still be a trafficking camp, just need to tread carefully.
If this is fake and we take the reality trap, we will be stamped as disinfo. Totally discrediting us and our cause. We have made so much progress. They would love to take us down like they did with the CPP shoot up. Yes, horrid either way if true.
Last time I checked, we knew that they were trafficking a lot of the children from crossing the border, so how is this different then what we are following? The illegal immigrants are faceless, and not on record, so this makes total sense. You should know that, but you chose not to be logical, all of the sudden.
I'm sure the bodies found are only a fraction of those that are actually out there. Even locals (legal citizens) who die on hikes or camping are sometimes never located. My dad found a couple of bodies himself during javelina hunts back in the 70s. I have friends who have encountered really weird camps out there. The desert can kill you in under a day this time of year.
As I've said before in regards to this Tucson issue, I am 100% sure that there is a certain amount of child trafficking for the purposes of sex slavery (as opposed to kids who are smuggled in with their families). Hell, my mom used to scare us with those stories when I was a kid. However, I'm not convinced that the one VOP discovery, or this child's body, is necessarily linked to child sex trafficking. If it is, it's not necessarily connected to some kind of Rothschild cabal operating out of Tucson. The stuff with incredibly common logos and the Gem and Mineral Show an intentional front for selling kids is a bit out there. Tucson is a major corridor for human smuggling, so situating a child trafficking pipeline within that makes sense, but the coyotes do a fine job of all that on their own.
The most likely scenario is that this kid died during a desert crossing and the family was forced by the coyotes to leave the body behind.
Hold on with your theories until you read the history of the Spanish in Mexico, and how they remained in control well after the so- called revolution. Endless wars is a great condensed book for those with little time. As for Cemex, In 1992, CEMEX began its push into the international landscape with the purchase of Spain's two largest cement companies, Valenciana de Cementos (Valcem, currently head of CEMEX Spain) and Cementos SANSON. Venezuela's largest cement company, VENCEMOS, was acquired by CEMEX in 1994, and plants were purchased the same year in the United States and in Panama. In 1995 CEMEX acquired a cement company in the Dominican Republic, and with the purchase of a majority stake in a Colombian cement company in 1996, CEMEX became the third largest cement company in the world. In 1997-1999, the company expanded its scope to include Asia and Africa, making major purchases in the Philippines, Indonesia and Egypt, as well as Costa Rica. The acquisition of U.S. based Southdown made CEMEX the largest cement company in North America, and further international purchases were made in the following two years—a Thai company in 2001, and in 2002, a Puerto Rican company. All the hot spots. Maybe communism actually still fails just like it always has in the end, and Venezuela was a really bad investment with quadruple negative return per quarter day. What makes immediate cash? Desperation of the extremely rich and ruthless is where my money trail is going.
I so agree and it is all so very sad. I am hoping that this story about the camp is true, for it would provide more evidence for our cause. What I am trying to say though is that we have been stiffed before and we need to tread carefully. I commend the guy that found the camp, whether he is a veteran or not. He seems to have helped the homeless and that is honorable.
Me too. I showed my wife because she’s naive and doesn’t believe any of it. I keep trying to red pill her but to no avail. Even the site of a child’s skull did nothing. To hell with her ignorance
I'm about to go full bore Identity Politics and f'n blame everything on Trump...just to get them to listen. (Not saying that your wife is in an echo chamber like me, but holy goodness...Good & Bad are becoming like sexual harassment...Only wrong if I don't like you.
Sorry, if I hurts your fee fees, but it's already happening.
Pictures re-surface from 2014 of Undocumented Immigrant Kids in cages, gets blamed on Trump...Lefty OUTRAGE.
No OUTRAGE in 2014-15. NONE! I was in AZ 2015. Obama referred to 48,ooo undocumented children along the border as "Congressional Gridlock" & "an Immigration issue"
Everyone stayed comfortably asleep.
Don't worry not expecting much of any other suggestion from you. I've seen the depths of your "thinking"
OH she is in a bubble for sure. She just tells me the usual crap “everything can’t be a conspiracy” or complains that it’s too heavy for her to think about. Sure as long as you are happy you can continue to safely virtue signal from the safety of your phone. The shit is infuriating
Well this the thing about human smuggling; it doesn't have to be a conspiracy to be true. Factually, it's a very real problem that goes on all over the world. Human smuggling is modern-day slavery, and it's usually done for either labor purposes or the sex trade.
A certain percentage of sick fucks out there want to fuck little kids and will pay money for it, which means there are children who are smuggled into this country in order to populate whorehouses. People supply that demand. Anybody who can find, sell, or exploit children for sex can do just about anything else to those kids; hit them, mutilate them, get them hooked on drugs in order to control them, or kill them and dump their bodies in the desert. These are all things that happen, both to foreign children and US kids.
That is all factual stuff you can find plenty of sources on to talk to your wife about. You don't have to bring up the Pizzagate angle at all. The scariest thing about it, IMO, is that you don't need some global conspiracy. It's a market that demands supply, and there are people who are willing to provide that supply. It's literally a trade, no different in basic economic principle from, IDK, soybeans or cars.
I'm just messing with you bro. Been married 19 and while it ain't easy, I love my wife more than anything (well maybe I love my dog as much). Looks fade, bodies change but hearts are what they are in my estimation. She has a heart of gold and that means the world to me, miserable-fag that I am.
I'm so sorry for you. This stuff is heavy enough with support of loved ones. In a way, I'm glad that there are naive people, out there, who haven't been subjected to these evils. Hopefully, you can bring her around, though.
No Defango Unicock LTV are all dogshit, we have been feeding/planting bullshit, they were the ones spamming all that anti Meyer crap in every fucking thread UFO false drug crap his "arrest" record lol its mostly other Meyer's bled into his background check...they know it all to be lies but are pushing he claimed to be a veteran. We know he never claimed to be and setup up the org with Tristan and dozens of other Vets they were a charity org they got drug into this, Phoenix cops and crime orgs murdered Tristan to get them out of there the org camp Alpha, VOP is Christian Motorcycle, 3% and vetorg affiliated https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnamCC7e5fM This 41 year old veteran was murdered by the criminals they then pushed Kagan, Meyer and the whole group out too much heat on the rampant street crime and homeless population. This group was not a militia and Meyer was a Volunteer. We played them they are sperging.
Mstruthserum ago
So many folks claiming this story is fake and a scam. WHY would Lewis implore for people to come down and search if it were? I mean wouldn't anyone coming down witness it being 'fake' if it were? Typically scammers don't share their profits with strangers and demand boots on the ground in a hot desert.
adaya ago
SNOPES is awful. Sure we already know. I didn't until now. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-childs-skull-found-alleged-sex-trafficking-bunker/ I became left-ugee during election cycle...but these people. Wow! So it's easily debunked by looking only at local news sources that confirm your hypothesis and stating that migrant deaths in the desert are "sadly" (sad face emoji) common. Did the bleeding heart liberals just tell us to fuck off b/c nothing to see here? ...JUST another dead immigrant ; No need to investigate further!!! Just a dead brown person, non-item. I was going independent - libertarian...might go full Republican just to spite you self-righteous, racist a-holes. At least the racists on Voat know they're racist! F'n hypocrites. Sorry so ranty. Don't know where else to deal with this.
ouzo ago
You're awake to it now. No going back. A brave step, freeing yourself from the thought control and brainwashing. My wife is still in her shell, doesn't know the significance of the Steele dossier. She's adamant she's right, my judgement is flawed looking at all this insane stuff on the web. It's not worth looking into. Trump's guilty and a horrid racist too. I've tried several times to help her...
ridleychozo ago
Chozo here. I'm down here with Louis and everybody (very limited wi-fi so cannot get on v/pg much). We found a child's skull yesterday and the media are calling it an adult. There was still soft, wet tissue inside the head where it was severed from the spine. Had to be recent for any moisture to be there in this desert dry heat.
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
Oh, wow....This is getting serious. We are going to need more info on this about what is done with the skull, testing, some kind of official confirmation. Notice the authorities don't want to help. Anybody surprised? At what point do these individuals get push back?
darkknight111 ago
Thanks to the interesting insight of @YogSoggoth I decided to look up decomposistion rates to try to triangulate thr approximate time of death for the body.
I believe the child's time of death was less than 3 months ago, for that is the time at which mummification occurs. In a hot environment, the smell of death can form in less than 24 hours.
If we can find the time at which the smell disappears, it's possible to establish an end point to the approximation.
YogSoggoth ago
Best Thanksgiving was when I was going fishing and hit that turkey. Best gator was when I saw that van in front of me run a 4 footer's head in the middle of the road. I threw him in the trunk, and turned around before I ever wet my line. Roadkill is better than hunted as long as the intestinal tract is not ruptured. Reason it is better is that it is closer to the vehicle thus closer to the kitchen at home. Keep up the good work.
Crensch ago
Eat a dick.
You look like you've got a crew of vote-manipulators that'll use their sockpuppets to push something to the front page. How's that for clear, you innocent-LARPing-faggot?
Crensch ago
So you're too stupid to understand what I'm saying? That's sad. It's OK, the votes on my original comment tell me plenty.
Crensch ago
Can you explain your comments in a way that make them not look suspicious?
"tell your friends this needs to be top" <--- suggests something shady.
"i owe you one" <--- doesn't help
Crensch ago
So, you can't? Good to know.
Crensch ago
@zyklon_b - any chance you could explain this in a way that would make it not suspicious?
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zyklon_b ago
Is nothing just trying to spread the story around
CheeseboogersGhost ago
Blood Libel
Gothamgirl ago
Here is a good Anonymous video to share on this subject. https://youtu.be/ZPkvSgAXJ8U
urbanmoving ago
ANOTHER CAMP FOUND MAYBE MORE HUMAN BONES RED ALERT YOU IN ARIZONA OR KNOW SOMEONE THAT HELP SHOW SUPPORT GO GO GO
PizzaStreamerLive ago
Source, proof?
urbanmoving ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjYd9iKAeII
GreenDell144 ago
I think we all owe a little commendation/gratitude to the folks out there trying to do this work. Nobody goes traipsing off into the desert ona Larp. Nobody enjoys THAT job. It’s effort on behalf of victims.
GreenDell144 ago
Try and debunk that, Snopes.
mooteensy ago
Well put
BlueTesla ago
Some whackjob already came along and claimed they built the shelters that the VOP found.
https://youtu.be/XDg31A3EV14
ESOTERICshade ago
I'm convinced the bastards are trafficking children around the border, we all know that is true. Some of the claims the guy from VOP made though just don't seem true. For example:
People have described the "restraints" as being child size and height from the ground. That just ain't true and this picture proves it. This is a grown man standing next to it and it is head level. Also they are different heights and turned different ways.
https://files.catbox.moe/7zfhvr.PNG
https://files.catbox.moe/s4j63y.PNG
If a person was going to make some restraints they would probably make both of them the same way. Turned the same way and at the same height. That looks awkward as hell to be restraints. If they were for children they would also probably be closer to the ground maybe.
Considering they are turned different ways and at different heights it looks like they were either put up at different times and or for different purposes and it looks like both sides are nailed to the tree which would leave no way to tighten them. These things are big enough to stick a whole leg through too. Too big for wrists.
One is turned vertically. That could easily be for sticking a pole through to be attached to the main structure. A way to build an outcrop and extend the camp. If these are restraints its the worst attempt I can think of to make restraints.
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
Title Here Does it look like they hang children low, or at adult level? I thought you investigated PG? Bad day?
ESOTERICshade ago
I know they hang kids up. I just think the meth head VOP guy is jumping to conclusions. Maybe its just me but I see those damn "wrist restraints" as a functional item for the camp. I think they are for sticking poles through to make a tent frame structure. Then you stretch a tarp over the frame. That is what my eye sees as most likely. Loops too big and can't be adjusted. Rope works wonders, those big ass loops? nahhhhhh Not functional as wrist restraints. A smart person would just use rope because those loops cannot be adjusted to fit a wrist.
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
Kind of agree, but in their art the child is always hanging from straps, not standing. Don't know about your logic. They don't worry about the child's comfort, they hang them at their own level most likely, or do you think they like to bend down to the childs level? You are sloppy today, but I respect you...for now.
ESOTERICshade ago
i thought about the hanging aspect, but if a person wanted to make some restraints that was a really shitty way to do it. Good old fashioned rope would be a lot easier. Those huge loops would also require some rope to be functional and then the loops would be unnecessary because the rope would be doing all the work. I do not believe those are restraints. If I stick a person's wrist in there I still have to tie their wrist to the damn tree, then I can just cut the "restraints" because they ain't doing jack shit anyway.
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
Hey, for all we know, we are being trolled. But you are dismissing this on reasoning that I cannot run with. I'm am not going to back and forth about the art of tying wrist and width of restraints. An odd amount of minutia you drag out for your reasoning. Carmenicita is also very bothered by this, which is curious to me. She commented about the horror of children possibly being molested on pictures that were as focuses as ink blots, now she is trying to halt the train? Im not liking either of you very much at the moment. A response from either of you that would be ok is, if it seems to good to be true, it probably is, need more updates. But no, you have come up with restraint width, height objections and somebody else about skull not being dirty, it was, and she has not been her agreeing as always no matter what self. I will be watching both of you closer then the known shills. They are harmless hacks. You two were about the only ones left. I worry not about allies. Don't screw up.
ESOTERICshade ago
Sure. roflmao...
I don't take people seriously that talk to GOD as much as this VOP guys does. If you want to see his "scientific" method for finding child traffickers go to 47 minutes. He finds a building that is probably a waypoint on the illegal immigrant highway and immediately brands it as a "place where children are being held." Later at 1:19 his secret method is revealed, GOD TOLD HIM.
The desert is a tough place to survive. I would imagine that illegal immigrants, dope smugglers, and child traffickers are using a lot of the same trails and waypoints to rest, get out of the Sun, restock with water, get out of the rain, etc...There is an enormous amount of trash, clothes, kids stuff, etc....at a lot of these places.
No doubt there is some terrible shit happening out in that desert, but, I have watched about 30 videos from this whackadoodle meth head VOP guy and I am not impressed with him. I think he is finally getting some recognition in his drug ridden life, his 15 minutes of fame, tons of donations, and he is milking it for all its worth.
Sometimes he gets that "crazy eyes" wide eyed look like a meth head and rants about God on and on and on. He is a fucking nut case. That don't mean he is totally wrong about everything, but his ass ain't stable from one day to the next. Some days he seems normal, next day a fucking maniac. He has not "discovered" shit. Its been going on in the desert for two hundred years. He just found himself a way to garner attention.
I do think he is helping people and I think his intentions are good. I also think he is fucking crazy and jumps to conclusions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CUqmCdCLyA
Blacksmith21 ago
Craig Sawyer is a professional. I've seen the bullshit out there about him. Anything is possible, but I'd put it in the 3% chance this is anything remotely close to a LARP. There would be outtakes, jokes, some levity, some lack of professionalism caught in the videos, in the writing, or the reporting. Sawyer is a member of the Pipehitters Club (SOF). He's fully vetted and not a fraud.
I worked in the region from Tuscon, down to Bisbee and Sierra Vista. All the way up to the border. People die out there. We had strict protocols on travel, contact and ROE, etc. Not to mention food/water/med stocked. This isn't Sahara desert. This is high chaparral @ 3-5,000'. Bodies dessicate very fast. Carrion-feeders also make fast work of a body.
Human traffickers get paid when they deliver the final product. It's in their best interest to keep bodies alive. Chances are the bodies, if of children (look at skull size versus boot) were from ones that died or were too sick to travel on. The hair dye, airplane ticket, the comb and blonde hair, and American toy are very telling. No one is dyeing a Salvadoran kid's hair. They are snatching the highly prized white kids. Or Euro descent.
This site is a way station on a pedo underground railroad.
V____Z ago
Could be a LARP. The people behind this can't be trusted. Why trust them? Why aren't some of them diverting resources to protesting outside of the WalMart in Texas where children are being held, and even a Senator can't get in to check on them? Why is no one even talking about that?
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
Yet you guys sell Trump, the Rothschild supported, Rockefeller associate, Jesuit, Zionist, Clinton and Epstein buddy, Freemason Potus of the rigged system. But hey, this one you draw the line.
Blacksmith21 ago
And it could be aliens. And considering they are in AZ, wouldn't going to TX to try and get inside a place a Politician can't get in, be a bigger waste of resources?
I suggest you learn a bit more about Sawyer. He's a solid dude.
GreenDell144 ago
I think we can trust Sawyer to go about knee deep into this, like Jones. They’ll talk about trafficking. They’ll crack pedo skulls and interview whistleblowers for ratings. They won’t mention tha cabal though.
So far, I think we can trust Sawyer’s report here, but he’s got a leash that goes back to AJ.
TrendyCantina ago
More about Sawyer, the "solid dude"
Let's see...
http://archive.is/swmXB https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Sawyer "After his military career, Sawyer has run specialized teams to provide security to politicians and dignitaries including Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Donald Rumsfeld, and John Negroponte http://imgur.com/a/GyKU1
He is denying this and attacking people with childish retorts on his Twitter account https://twitter.com/CraigRSawyer/status/1004694531403599873
He is funded and was heavily promoted by Alex Jones who is tight with Stratfor/CIA https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1618655 https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/16kn5m/alex_jones_blows_his_cover_as_paid_agent_please/
He is an actor http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4025484/ who was broke a few years ago https://www.tucsonlocalmedia.com/news/oro_valley/article_3cf6f51c-11f0-11e4-a9f4-0019bb2963f4.html
He has purportedly raised a lot of money for this documentary project, but I am having trouble finding anything concrete about this online. Help?
This story is being celebrated by mainstream tabloid media http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5808333/Veterans-group-uncovers-child-sex-trafficking-camp-hidden-bunker-stuffed-toys.html
He cares about putting an end to child trafficking yet has not mentioned the WalMart discovery https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2576365 on his Twitter, that I can tell anyway. Also he does not show normal emotion or cues that he believes what he is saying when talking about the "rape trees", etc in the AZ case (my personal opinion).
He blocks people just for questioning how the money he has raised is being spent, and calls them pedophiles. He is not helpful nor transparent ,which is unlike any other pizzagate researcher this youtuber has come across: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3zVw5z0yLE
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1760396/8623015
sunajAeon ago
Thank you! Now who is the PUNK who was carrying on with me because I said BEING A NAVY SEAL is not a guarantee of character-ANY MF who did private work for HILLARY CLINTON is NOT TO BE TRUSTED
urbanmoving ago
https://www.facebook.com/FallenUSNavySEALs/posts/517611001584295 Literally your entire post is fake news bullshit
urbanmoving ago
The former SEAL was John Eric Branchizio, known as "Cheese". Would be grateful for any info about him? Thank you sometimes chees is just cheese and yes stratfor is a jewish front but guess what CS has no conenction other them him being contacted by old Fred. Not every person on Bill Hicks limited hangout is bad NANCY SCHAEFFER
urbanmoving ago
Thats all bullshit Sawyer is a form NS
"The walmart discovery" is a combo of fake news and old news plus because Sessions removed chidlren from their illegal alien "parents" aka traffickers
The photos aren't real and the walmart thing was staged trying to reverse psyop
Everything you literally have said is laughable also its not Sawyer out there its a VOP a well respected ground level group, nice try shill
think- ago
I don't agree here. Imo he's fishy. I don't trust him. That said, when the VOP are based in Tuscon, it would be natural to do their work there, wouldn't it?
We just need many people vetting different sites/leads. And yes, we should continue to looking into the Walmart story.
I think we probably won't find out what purposes the site they found near Tucson served.
Blacksmith21 ago
I'm starting to change my mind somewhat. More is needed to be known here. I'm suffering from some cognitive dissonance and information overload. Too much information to process + work + life.
I hate the fact that I am having to retract some things, but the psyops are getting very sophisticated. I'm starting to think that one of the two narratives is false CEMEX/Sawyer or Wal-Mart.
Vindicator ago
I haven't had time to really dig into either one of them to watch body language etc., but my current bet is WalMart is disinfo, Sawyer is legit. @Honeybee_ did some vetting of Sawyer when he first got involved in Pizzagate. He is genuinely trying to help the kids.
Also, when he first got involved, there was a massive shill attack brigade that spammed every thread about him, produced multiple smear threads trying to discredit him, etc. The same shit they did to @PleadingtheYiff @abortionburger and other genuine investigators. Which, incidentally, they've never done to Alex Jones or George Webb.
@think-
Honeybee_ ago
Walmart in Brownesville TX is true, although, it is a former Walmart converted into an US Department of Health and Human Services facility, vetted yesterday <3
"US Senator Refused Entry to Facility Holding Migrants' Kids" - New York Times
The facility is called Southwest Key Programs run by UNIDOSUS
Vindicator ago
Thanks for that. I meant Merkley's visit to the "WalMart" was disinfo (an attempt to push the Trump is trafficking kids narrative), not that the facility was fake. :-)
Honeybee_ ago
Oh I see, haha, sorry I posted in haste!
think- ago
Have you read the current thread about CS, Vin? It pretty much sums up what I've always thought about him. Plus my gut feeling / spider senses are always alerted when I watch him.
When Honeybee_ has a different opinion - for reasons whatsoever - ok, but I'd rather trust my own vetting.
TL;DR: Even when someone is smeared by the wrong people, he can still be fishy. That's not mutually exclusive I'm afraid.
Blacksmith21 ago
I'm inclined to agree with you Vindy. I've made a personal challenge to withhold judgment as best as I can for a few days ; )
Vindicator ago
Yep. "Hope for the best, prepare for the worst" is always the best policy.
think- ago
I admit that I haven't look into the WalMart story properly, only read the recent thread about it.
What simply doesn't add up re the Cemex/Sawyer story is the still activity on the sub. LOL. But I'm not kidding.
All resident shills that went totally mad when we looked into Rachel Chandler and Maggie Nixon have not only been peaceful (one didn't even show up), they even contributed to the Cemex research. All of them. (Ok, maybe apart from AWS.)
That's highly suspicious. Not saying that a company that donated to the CF, that is based in Mexico etc. isn't fishy.
But something is not adding up here.
Blacksmith21 ago
Yeah, something isn't adding up. I detest the idea that a SEAL, especially a 6 guy, could be involved this deeply with a Deep State LARP. Not like anyone I know.
Maybe both stories are to detract from Andy Spade?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfHo1PHVQAErd_a.jpg:large
I think Wal-Mart was a LARP.
But trusted outlets like The Gateway Pundit and others all
think- ago
There are more and more stories where I don't take sides. Trying to take be open to all possibilities. Like the story about the guy who shot six people.
Maybe he was 'just' a violent guy with a history of domestic violence.
Maybe it was a set-up.
Maybe both stories are true - he was violent, and his wife has been involved in something sinister.
Blacksmith21 ago
I have my own theories about Dwight Lamon Hill. I think he was a gaslighted father at the end of his rope. He killed his son's tormentors.
think- ago
I think that's a good heads-up re Sawyer:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2582698
darkknight111 ago
Note the sploch of red on the upper mid left side.
Possible blood splatter (dried blood)? If so, then that child was definetely murdered.
YogSoggoth ago
Any flesh on a human skull in the desert would mean fresh or mummified. That did not look mummified.This is not a wasteful environment, and most things look for food at night.
darkknight111 ago
Meaning the kid was indeed murdered?
YogSoggoth ago
Without proper forensics? Border towns are not known for that. I am an outdoorsman, and from what I saw from the extremely grainy video, that looked like flesh attached. It does not matter who is right in that argument inasmuch as the fact that something is not good here. By here, I mean out in the desert border, and possibly right here on our board. If anyone is disturbed by this, then they can comfort themselves by knowing, that is the way you are supposed to feel.
think- ago
Hi @PizzaStreamerLive, I will flair the post 'NSFW' due to the content of the videos/article. Thank you.
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
Fuck off.
Pablolove ago
It's meant as a compliment. You're intense but it's because you care so much.
migratorypatterns ago
Yeah, I just posted on VOP and the disinfo shills coming out of the woodwork. This has to be huge because these shills are doxxing themselves to control this narrative.
UppadaVoat for you!
Pablolove ago
I like your spirit
PhimoticEmbrace ago
lol
zyklon_b ago
I have sent out more requests to spread it
PhimoticEmbrace ago
I have no words. You made me laugh in a thread about child remains being discovered in a desert... I think I need more sleep.
Fateswebb ago
The guy has a point, but he is also ignoring that they also found rape trees and panties etc.. it's not "just immigration"
dontdoxxmefaggots ago
listen here bitch, i'm not ignoring anything. people that don't live near the border don't know this, the desert is littered with corpses.
did i ever say this particular skull of this particular corpse wasn't related to human trafficking? no i did not.
Fateswebb ago
Lol, bitch... I expect it with your name. And you're right you didn't say that. But I'm no bitch, bitch.
3141592653 ago
Thats whats up
dontdoxxmefaggots ago
quiet down, bitch
Fateswebb ago
Eat a cum stained yamaka, bitch.
PhimoticEmbrace ago
No, please go on.
13Buddha ago
I read a comment last night on a forum. It goes like this:
If the entire population knew the truth, 99% would wind up in the hospital.
I thought about this comment for quite some time in relation to just the USA and the after-effects if a massive and intense truth storm occurred.
Vindicator ago
Yep, 13B...that was QAnon who said that. Months and months ago.
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
You have relinquished your cred long ago. Your words hold no weight, even when you are correct. That is the price you pay for your conduct.
Blacksmith21 ago
Q111:
"They never thought she would lose. They never thought she would lose. Fantasy land. Fantasy land. The complete picture would put 99% of Americans (the World) in a hospital. POTUS is our savior."
Answer:
"The complete picture would put 99% of Americans (the World) in a hospital.
The world, and our own elites, are far more evil and degenerate than we may imagine. Their corruption is overwhelming and they have worked against the interests of the USA including treason."
Like quoting scripture...
PhimoticEmbrace ago
lol what are you doing?
theoldones ago
thank god we found something, but this shit makes me physically ill that someone can be so evil.
dontdoxxmefaggots ago
are you retarded dude? do you know how many fucking people die in the desert trying to get from mexico to USA?
EyeOfHorus ago
How many have their legs and arms sawed off?
dontdoxxmefaggots ago
i didn't see any legs and arms sawn off on that skull
poopingaccount ago
Not enough
urbanmoving ago
Sick shit man, and the cops took 2 hours and they started disrupting the feed BP turned away
ESOTERICshade ago
This is a site where their updated videos are uploaded.
https://www.youtube.com/user/gonfishin077/videos?disable_polymer=1
ESOTERICshade ago
Easy bro. @carmencita made a good point. That is cartel territory. Probably lots of skulls out there.
twistedmac11 ago
Wow the shilling is so obvious in these comments. As far as the skull goes, I'm with @carmencita. It's cartel territory, so its unfortunately probably expected to find human remains, but to me it doesn't necessarily lend credibility to the child trafficking camp stuff.
YogSoggoth ago
Unless you realize that the coyotes are not regular humans and are connected to an organized worldwide crime syndicate no matter what their status is. Bushes played them off to fight each other there, and here in the USA.
carmencita ago
Not trying to down the theory on the camp, just trying to make sure we cover all bases. https://www.usimmigration.com/immigrants-dead-arizona-desert.html There have been mass graves found and some say they may be killed by cartels. So what I am saying is that we need to cover ourselves. It does happen in the dessert. BUT there is also a chance that this could be what we have been thinking, a trafficking camp. @ESTTERICshade
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
Clearly you have been trying to down this from your first response. Scroll up. EsotericShade just made a ridiculous post that the straps were too high for a child, when we know they have images hanging children form up high, their feet not touching the ground. You two are having a really really bad day. You are both under heavy scrutiny from this point forward.
carmencita ago
I have said over and over that the camp could be a reality. All I am saying is that things can be arranged and planted. We need more evidence and research. When this first broke I pointed out that it pointed to a trafficking site because the camp let to the back of the hotel.
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
Sure, but I am noticing you have been quick to validate things that were sketchy, like ultra blurry photos where you said you saw abuse. I do not forget bullshit, and my objective is always to find the moles. This is the first time I EVER saw you aggressively downplaying something. I make note of these things. You also mentioned the Truth Project and used the word "We" when talking about it. I feel most these sites are gatekeeping, although I admit I have no specific amunition about that site.
Fateswebb ago
How about the "rape tree" that was at kid level? The panties, the bloody knife, the kids toys abandoned? The femur bone that was sawed off. Sorry but nah not buying it was "just immigration" and heat related accidentally talk death...
twistedmac11 ago
The only one of those that would really point to child sex trafficking or abuse would be the "rape trees", see @ESOTERICshade's comment about those https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2582689/12973288
Fateswebb ago
These points are being ignored..
VOP see homeless camps all day all year it's their job, they know homeless camps..
Homeless people don't camp that far from services like WATER etc.
The comment about the restraints isn't thought through, because you would not just use the restraints alone but would also use handcuffs, or zip ties etc, also the picture he is using doesn't show the ground. When he showed them on video it was much lower. And also if you were restraining someone to do horrible things their hands would be elevated not low to the ground.
They also found lots of dark hair dyes, this leads to believe they were disguising people that are blonde as having brown hair. Think about that, why would they do such a thing? Think hard because I came up with a very good reason if you're trafficking children or even women.
urbanmoving ago
How about the map of the trafficking locations and waypoints he showed the cops and the other "blueprints"
The cops lied snopes is lying non investigating organization how many locals they talk to how many on Team Alpha
PizzaStreamerLive ago
Yuup. Look at the attempts of TerdWilson :D
Godgiven ago
Wow.
A growing portion of the public are finding out the the government is lying and protecting child traffickers.
This is going to cause chaos!!!! It's happening!!!! Clif's predictions are true!!!!
The dollar is going to get fucked. Because it's being propped up anyway and once the American people turn on the ruling government The currency wars will begin! Currencies are falling apart already in Italy it's going to help bring down the euro cad and dollar. The fiat system of the west is doomed!
Get ready for hell!
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
Wrong, the dollar is manipulated and cannot get fucked. The worlds central banks are owned by different combinations of the same 40 or so elite families, the head of which are Rothschild. They can trade in the money they print for any currency. They aren't even spending money when they do it, just holding it in another currency. They all trade their local currencies for dollars simultaneously whenever needed, propping the dollar back up. You aren't aware that all markets are rigged? Watch the dollar vs all currencies simultaneously...they move in unison.
Godgiven ago
The point is they will break the dollar to stop the people from rising against them. Much like the printing of continental dollars, destroying the economy is part of war.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Are you talking about Clif High? I used to listen to him a lot, but somehow forgot about keeping up with him. If this is who you're talking about, send a link please to where he's talking about this. I'm very interested.
Godgiven ago
Ughhh that would be tough to find. It's within the past 9 months, an interview on youtube, maybe with crypt0, I think he has more than 1 interview with him. it's not on his channel I do not think. however there is a plethora of fake copy cat channels that copy his stuff, so look for view count and channel subscribers and actual original content. probably mid dec to 1st q. 2018 I think it was before btc hit 20k.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
No worries, and thanks for letting me know it is Clif High and that it was a recent prediction. His work is so fascinating! I'll have to start following him again. Very smart guy.
EyeOfHorus ago
Not hell unless sovereign gold was pilfered. An uncomfortable reset for the better.
MegaDouche ago
Clif of Clif Bar fame?
3141592653 ago
Ha
SweetChicken ago
For sure. They need supplies like water and food. Imagine the resources and energy needed to survey the desert like they are
carmencita ago
There are probably thousands of human skulls and some of them children (tears) out in the dessert. Since this property belongs to Cemex and they have Cartel connections, a skull is expected evidence. But where did it come from? Did it belong to immigrants crossing the boarder? Did some MS-13 members kill some more people? Yes, they kill children too, even though some of them are not far from that age. Too many unanswered questions as usual. Cemex and the Cabal are not to be trusted.
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
An unexpected response from you. Are you downplaying this? I am asking, not being aggressive.
carmencita ago
No not downplaying just saying before we go whole hog on this we should look at all evidence. Also that we are targets of the elite cabal. Right now I am sitting on the fence. Just waiting til all is looked at. With items being found, yes they can certainly point to child trafficking, but again, they can also be placed there as fake evidence. Not faulting VOP but possibly others.
Arrvee ago
It could also have been planted by an over-enthusiastic VOP member to create news, or bad guys looking to discredit VOP with evidence that would backfire on them somehow, or a prankster from an anthropology lab who is trolling everyone.
In the pics that I've seen the skull was clean and sitting out in the open, which is suspicious. That's what you get when you carry a skull into a site and set it down. I didn't see any signs of them having dug it up or brushed dirt off of it.
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
It looked clean? I am not an expert on finding skulls as you seam to be, but it looked like it had sediment on it. Tell us, what the average found skull should look like in the dirt? Some odd expertise in this forum about this subject.
Cid ago
This looks clean? It was kicked from out under a bush to see what kind of bone it was if I understand correctly. Their theory is it was from a shallow grave and an animal dug it up, which is plausible.
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
Thank you, I saw the same thing as you.
carmencita ago
Oh you are so smart. There are so many out there ready to discredit those that want to do good or especially our cause. Cemex has many at their disposal that are connected to MS 13 and other goons. I was and am still hoping that this camp is the Real McCoy. I have seen a lot though in the almost yr and a half on here, so need to be cautious.
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
You are gung-ho, until possible credible evidence is presented, then you get semi aggressive. Keep talking, I want to hear more how much this bothers you.
carmencita ago
How much it bothers me? Are you trying to say that children being raped and trafficked don't bother me? You know better than that.
Fateswebb ago
Yeah but they also found panties, rape trees, etc. It's not "just immigration"
carmencita ago
Yes, that is true. But those things can all be planted. I am just saying we need to be careful. AND yes, I am also saying it could still be a trafficking camp, just need to tread carefully.
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
Careful why? It would be horrible crime either way.
carmencita ago
If this is fake and we take the reality trap, we will be stamped as disinfo. Totally discrediting us and our cause. We have made so much progress. They would love to take us down like they did with the CPP shoot up. Yes, horrid either way if true.
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
Last time I checked, we knew that they were trafficking a lot of the children from crossing the border, so how is this different then what we are following? The illegal immigrants are faceless, and not on record, so this makes total sense. You should know that, but you chose not to be logical, all of the sudden.
tholinz ago
Bodies of illegals are routinely found out in the desert. For example:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3760805/Bodies-850-unidentified-people-died-crossing-border-Arizona-remain-one-morgue.html
I'm sure the bodies found are only a fraction of those that are actually out there. Even locals (legal citizens) who die on hikes or camping are sometimes never located. My dad found a couple of bodies himself during javelina hunts back in the 70s. I have friends who have encountered really weird camps out there. The desert can kill you in under a day this time of year.
As I've said before in regards to this Tucson issue, I am 100% sure that there is a certain amount of child trafficking for the purposes of sex slavery (as opposed to kids who are smuggled in with their families). Hell, my mom used to scare us with those stories when I was a kid. However, I'm not convinced that the one VOP discovery, or this child's body, is necessarily linked to child sex trafficking. If it is, it's not necessarily connected to some kind of Rothschild cabal operating out of Tucson. The stuff with incredibly common logos and the Gem and Mineral Show an intentional front for selling kids is a bit out there. Tucson is a major corridor for human smuggling, so situating a child trafficking pipeline within that makes sense, but the coyotes do a fine job of all that on their own.
The most likely scenario is that this kid died during a desert crossing and the family was forced by the coyotes to leave the body behind.
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
Then why all the holding area and restraints?
YogSoggoth ago
Hold on with your theories until you read the history of the Spanish in Mexico, and how they remained in control well after the so- called revolution. Endless wars is a great condensed book for those with little time. As for Cemex, In 1992, CEMEX began its push into the international landscape with the purchase of Spain's two largest cement companies, Valenciana de Cementos (Valcem, currently head of CEMEX Spain) and Cementos SANSON. Venezuela's largest cement company, VENCEMOS, was acquired by CEMEX in 1994, and plants were purchased the same year in the United States and in Panama. In 1995 CEMEX acquired a cement company in the Dominican Republic, and with the purchase of a majority stake in a Colombian cement company in 1996, CEMEX became the third largest cement company in the world. In 1997-1999, the company expanded its scope to include Asia and Africa, making major purchases in the Philippines, Indonesia and Egypt, as well as Costa Rica. The acquisition of U.S. based Southdown made CEMEX the largest cement company in North America, and further international purchases were made in the following two years—a Thai company in 2001, and in 2002, a Puerto Rican company. All the hot spots. Maybe communism actually still fails just like it always has in the end, and Venezuela was a really bad investment with quadruple negative return per quarter day. What makes immediate cash? Desperation of the extremely rich and ruthless is where my money trail is going.
carmencita ago
I so agree and it is all so very sad. I am hoping that this story about the camp is true, for it would provide more evidence for our cause. What I am trying to say though is that we have been stiffed before and we need to tread carefully. I commend the guy that found the camp, whether he is a veteran or not. He seems to have helped the homeless and that is honorable.
urbanmoving ago
And tons of bodies of trafficked out victims too they just don't care to remove or find them believe me
SweetChicken ago
Me too. I showed my wife because she’s naive and doesn’t believe any of it. I keep trying to red pill her but to no avail. Even the site of a child’s skull did nothing. To hell with her ignorance
adaya ago
I'm about to go full bore Identity Politics and f'n blame everything on Trump...just to get them to listen. (Not saying that your wife is in an echo chamber like me, but holy goodness...Good & Bad are becoming like sexual harassment...Only wrong if I don't like you.
Pablolove ago
Idiot
adaya ago
best ya got?
Pablolove ago
Just thinking facts out loud. Do this all the time. Whoops.
adaya ago
if you feel comfortable calling that, "thinking"
Sorry, if I hurts your fee fees, but it's already happening.
Pictures re-surface from 2014 of Undocumented Immigrant Kids in cages, gets blamed on Trump...Lefty OUTRAGE.
No OUTRAGE in 2014-15. NONE! I was in AZ 2015. Obama referred to 48,ooo undocumented children along the border as "Congressional Gridlock" & "an Immigration issue" Everyone stayed comfortably asleep. Don't worry not expecting much of any other suggestion from you. I've seen the depths of your "thinking"
SweetChicken ago
OH she is in a bubble for sure. She just tells me the usual crap “everything can’t be a conspiracy” or complains that it’s too heavy for her to think about. Sure as long as you are happy you can continue to safely virtue signal from the safety of your phone. The shit is infuriating
tholinz ago
Well this the thing about human smuggling; it doesn't have to be a conspiracy to be true. Factually, it's a very real problem that goes on all over the world. Human smuggling is modern-day slavery, and it's usually done for either labor purposes or the sex trade.
A certain percentage of sick fucks out there want to fuck little kids and will pay money for it, which means there are children who are smuggled into this country in order to populate whorehouses. People supply that demand. Anybody who can find, sell, or exploit children for sex can do just about anything else to those kids; hit them, mutilate them, get them hooked on drugs in order to control them, or kill them and dump their bodies in the desert. These are all things that happen, both to foreign children and US kids.
That is all factual stuff you can find plenty of sources on to talk to your wife about. You don't have to bring up the Pizzagate angle at all. The scariest thing about it, IMO, is that you don't need some global conspiracy. It's a market that demands supply, and there are people who are willing to provide that supply. It's literally a trade, no different in basic economic principle from, IDK, soybeans or cars.
MegaDouche ago
If she was my wife and too heavy to think, I'd suggest she lose some weight.
SweetChicken ago
Truth. Brother, I’m already on this path. It’s a long and arduous journey. Been married almost 18 years now.
PhimoticEmbrace ago
There's a time and place, fellas.
MegaDouche ago
I'm just messing with you bro. Been married 19 and while it ain't easy, I love my wife more than anything (well maybe I love my dog as much). Looks fade, bodies change but hearts are what they are in my estimation. She has a heart of gold and that means the world to me, miserable-fag that I am.
SweetChicken ago
Lol I wasn’t insulted in the slightest, brother. I am not your downvote, I’m your up +1
MegaDouche ago
Uhhhh, one downvoat and no upvoats. Nigga, I think you be lyin and sheeit.
SweetChicken ago
??? You have one up and one down on my screen???
MegaDouche ago
I'm probably a MegaDouche that didn't refresh my screen. You are correct good sir.
SweetChicken ago
Lol name checks out
Hopevoats ago
I'm so sorry for you. This stuff is heavy enough with support of loved ones. In a way, I'm glad that there are naive people, out there, who haven't been subjected to these evils. Hopefully, you can bring her around, though.
SweetChicken ago
Thanks. I understand where you are coming from but something has to pop their bubble
SweetChicken ago
I’m not a veteran but I want to get involved. It’s time for all of us to get involved
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
But you won't, because....
SweetChicken ago
Get fucked. Already sent VOP an email asking how to get involved.
zyklon_b ago
Dude last time i front paged this Voat went dowb
urbanmoving ago
what is it zb
zyklon_b ago
This entire post is what we are spreading
thanks
urbanmoving ago
k I was wondering cause of the deleted comment go zb go
zyklon_b ago
Thanks and feel free to help
urbanmoving ago
Zyklon been doing that btw I've been setting up some shills telling you for a reference point.
zyklon_b ago
Good work and are the shills on our side?
urbanmoving ago
No Defango Unicock LTV are all dogshit, we have been feeding/planting bullshit, they were the ones spamming all that anti Meyer crap in every fucking thread UFO false drug crap his "arrest" record lol its mostly other Meyer's bled into his background check...they know it all to be lies but are pushing he claimed to be a veteran. We know he never claimed to be and setup up the org with Tristan and dozens of other Vets they were a charity org they got drug into this, Phoenix cops and crime orgs murdered Tristan to get them out of there the org camp Alpha, VOP is Christian Motorcycle, 3% and vetorg affiliated https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnamCC7e5fM This 41 year old veteran was murdered by the criminals they then pushed Kagan, Meyer and the whole group out too much heat on the rampant street crime and homeless population. This group was not a militia and Meyer was a Volunteer. We played them they are sperging.
zyklon_b ago
FREE KEVIN FLYNN
urbanmoving ago
message me that stuff
zyklon_b ago
@freshmeat is a fuckin tranny
veriodd ago
They legit found a human skull out in the desert. This video while they were waiting for police to appear.
urbanmoving ago
1 fucking satanic shill
veriodd ago
I've found bones of large animals out in that desert. I
urbanmoving ago
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