Tony Podesta's multi-million dollar business is gone ... kaput .... that's HUGE!!!! And look how people are responding to Skippy's tweets? You think that would have happened two years ago before this story broke?
Evidence for us is NOT evidence that would convict anyone in a court of law ... nor should it. There is a different standard that must be proven and that's where the hard part comes in. Things need to be documented, sources have to be verified with members of the cabal that are either frightened to talk or loyal to it.
A lot is being done. There are all those indictments. Deep breaths ... popcorn ... talk long walks ... DO NOT DISCUSS THIS WITH ANYONE OUTSIDE KNOWN RED-PILLED ASSOCIATES. That last part ... take it seriously. You're never going to convince anyone until everything hits. A couple of friends of mine were posting shit about our POTUS and I stopped myself from answering because they still believe the lies.
Have sympathy for them. Pity them. It's going to be a shock and a slap in the face. Here they thought they were being so noble ... so good ... and they were in league with child predators.
Try to think of it that way, but for now, enjoy this time where everything is gelling and the Cannibal Elite are starting to panic. I don't enjoy all these deaths ... do not ... but I'm taking about the eradicating of this cabal for good. Rooting it out and not just making a splashy arrest. The Kenyan was President! Skankles was the heir apparent. This was not supposed to happen, but it did!
So enjoy and don't get despondent ... we're winning ...
You are dead wrong. Just the opposite. All the social media and twitter blasts exposing these satanic pedo monsters is working. Example, look at the work Carolyn Limaco is doing. Shes consistently getting right in their face through social media and Nicky Hilton Rothschild has blocked her on all her accounts and her posts coincide with Carolyn’s, same with the CNN loser she’s blasting. THAT is where the people will win. They don’t like being exposed and more people are waking up with all this new info coming out. As long as Podesta is well know for being a sick pedo and more people know about this, the better. It’s a definite win for Pizzagate.
So you are saying you want to change the stated flair policy to give mods the leeway to decide whether something "needs linked support" vs. "is not a research post."
Hmm. Well, kev, it would have been nice for you to add this "traction" stipulation to the 24 Hour Flair policy discussion thread when we were initially putting that policy in place. To my knowledge, we have never used "traction" or "upvotes" as a reason to leave a rule-breaking post up, ever, either before or after the institution of the 24 Hour Flair. It either breaks the rules or it doesn't; that is our criteria.
➖Cons: Shitposts stay on the board overnight. (Where they can be downvoated soundly, accruing negative SCP and exposing their purveyors to the appreciation of the community. Ahem. Perhaps this is not a negative!). Some threads will get upvoated without getting fixed and will get removed anyway.
I flaired the post for removal under Rule 2 because it lacks supporting links, although one could make a case for Rule 4. Just as we have been doing with all rule-breaking posts, and would have removed today, regardless of votes or comments, if users and OP decided not to edit.
But now you have overruled not just my flair, but our whole flair system, which was working quite well. Why?
Why is Rule 4 outside of the flair policy? Is Rule 2 outside of the policy as well? Do we even have a 24 Hour flair, given what you've done here?
Or, are you saying mods are supposed to be making personal judgement calls about what gets the 24 hour leeway and what doesn't? That approach seems way more prone to attracting cries of censorship than giving everything but Link posts the flair.
Rules and mods are here to protect and serve us. However, there’s a place for exceptions like these. This place is like a high pressure boiler. Despair and seething anger. Something’s gotta give. This thread provided a much needed pressure release valve. Much better than people offing themselves or deciding on that Kalorama armed home invasion.
No one failed. A lack of arrest isn't indicative of a failure. A lot of people care, lots of people have honor. Just because you are giving up doesn't mean everyone else is watching football on Sundays. That's insulting to the people that have put so much time into this.
Pizzagate isn't just about Alefantis and Podesta. Don't you even know that?
I'm new to Voat but I've been a long time lurker. This sub is far more powerful than some of you may know. For every 100 people actively posting here there are a 100 more lurking, watching, archiving and red pilling others. Keep up the fight.
Most wanted ever UK hacker Gary McKinnon was arrested in 2002. He hacked NASA and found extraterrestrial officers in official documents and US space fleet evidence,
Donald Rumsfeld said day before 9/11 that they Pentagon lost track of 2100 billions of dollars
Invention Secrecy Act from 1951 makes now 5000+ patents blocked according to official docs, free energy, cheap and much better medical technologies, transportation, ecology, etc
west is controlled by children eating sadistic pedophiles believing in satanism
they don't care if you don't believe what they do or not, but they are dead serious about their beliefs
all what religions are saying is fakey, what Jesus said was best depicted in dead sea scrolls
that most politicians were puppets and you have no democracy since long time
we are free range slaves thanks to money system and other control means
all people are under some kind of mind control
you are being fed drugs affecting you and you don't even know
wonder how many seconds you can talk before cognitive dissonance starts
that's the gap between average citizen and mainstream media propaganda, I guess we need some shocks to society to make them aligned with reality where they are even aware of who Alefantis was and whats the context
wonder what golden era we can have as humanity after this deep mafia cleanup is done
just think, dream and pray what can happen to earth and humanity once we have full disclosure
The Podesta emails that started Pizzagate were released as retaliation to Trump's grab em' by the pussy tape being leaked. This whole thing has been a psyop from the start. Nothing was ever going to happen. That's not to say pizzagate isn't real, or that thousands of children aren't being raped/murdered/etc by elites on a regular basis. Think more of controlled demolition. This has steamrolled into a Trump-supporting right-wing type deal. This was never about having people arrested or stopping business as usual -- it was about making Trump look good and making people believe someone is fighting for the kids in DC. That's where Qanon comes in as well. Propaganda to keep the sheeple under control. This sub now has at least 3 active Trump/Q-loving mods, and that is not an accident. Anyone looking objectively at Trump should be able to see that he's not to be trusted, but yet there is a steady stream of Trumpism that is supported and encouraged by the mods.
The unfortunate fact is, like @Cheeseboogersghost said, if we want things to happen, we will have to do it ourselves. We cannot wait until someone in the government does something because it will never happen. No true "outsider" will ever be allowed to become President. If we want change, it's going to take a full-scale revolution. We cannot trust anyone who works in the White House, plain and simple.
I’m assuming it’s because they’re bottom feeders. They’re so fucking lame that they aren’t even in the line light because of how fucking insane this pedo ring really is.
Prince claimed he had insider knowledge of the investigation that could help explain why FBI Director James Comey had to announce he was reopening the investigation into Clinton’s email server last week.
“Because of Weinergate and the sexting scandal, the NYPD started investigating it. Through a subpoena, through a warrant, they searched his laptop, and sure enough, found those 650,000 emails. They found way more stuff than just more information pertaining to the inappropriate sexting the guy was doing,” Prince claimed.
“They found State Department emails. They found a lot of other really damning criminal information, including money laundering, including the fact that Hillary went to this sex island with convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. Bill Clinton went there more than 20 times. Hillary Clinton went there at least six times,” he said.
“The amount of garbage that they found in these emails, of criminal activity by Hillary, by her immediate circle, and even by other Democratic members of Congress was so disgusting they gave it to the FBI, and they said, ‘We’re going to go public with this if you don’t reopen the investigation and you don’t do the right thing with timely indictments,’” Prince explained.
“I believe – I know, and this is from a very well-placed source of mine at 1PP, One Police Plaza in New York – the NYPD wanted to do a press conference announcing the warrants and the additional arrests they were making in this investigation, and they’ve gotten huge pushback, to the point of coercion, from the Justice Department, with the Justice Department threatening to charge someone that had been unrelated in the accidental heart attack death of Eric Garner almost two years ago. That’s the level of pushback the Obama Justice Department is doing against actually seeking justice in the email and other related criminal matters,” Prince said.
The cabal of pedophiles have run the world since the dawn of time. Do you not understand how far this bloodline occult thing goes back? We are talking generations and generations of disgusting cannibalistic people breeding and setting up networks across the earth. These two men in particular hold a lot of dirt on a lot of people who are still necessary to keep the everyday world going. Like you and I, we are good people and we want to see groceries on the shelves next week...if these cannibal pedophiles are exposed and murdered in the streets..while vengeance may be had, good people are still going to suffer. If the pieces fall slowly, the good people won't suffer. We recognize children are suffering RIGHT NOW, and we pray for them, because if this awakening moves too fast then we ALL suffer.
Not really... many many talented folks would pick up any slack. The good news of all these filthy creeps going down would reignite the entire world into a renaissance like era. Would be glorious
( @carmencita@think- ....I just can't resist. "Stronger together": LMFAO!!!!!!! Literally having convulsions!!!!!)
Come on. MAN UP, @pizzagate007 Several thousand million more folk have been red pilled than since before the story broke 2 years ago. Thats YUGER than YUGE. Alefartface and Skippy are done. Its almost better they're still 'free', because god knows every day in public is more hell for them than cushy Gitmo, HAHA.
Yes. I think all of us here get credit for waking up so many people. Who else did that? They tried in the worst way to sweep this under the rug. The people had none of it! They Are SO WOKE. And they are not going back to sleep. We have AWakened the Sleeping Giant!
Come on. MAN UP, @pizzagate007 Several thousand million more folk have been red pilled than since before the story broke 2 years ago. Thats YUGER than YUGE. Alefartface and Skippy are done. Its almost better they're still 'free', because god knows every day in public is more hell for them than cushy Gitmo, HAHA.
Yes, the Podestas and Clintons are still walking around freely. And we're all being told 'Trust in the Plaaaan!'. It's 5-D Chess.
Meanwhile we're about to get into an illegal war and are being told the attack on Syria was actually attacks on CIA bases, though there's absolutely no evidence of that.
Sadly, this is only a drop in the bucket regarding the crimes of the Cabal and only a tiny fraction of what people need to be awakened to. Start with the phony government, the phony court system and the families that own the worlds central banks that control nations around the world. Rothschilds, Warburgs, Rockefellers, Mogans, Goldman etc.. Alefantis is of the family of Rothschilds, he can't get arrested. Your so called government are employees to the Cartel. The Treausry is funded by the FED and the FED gets its money from the IRS. FED and IRS are private and owned by the cartel. So the cartel pays them, so they own them. Your taxes go to the private IRS. You pay for PG when you pay taxes. Most the tax money they keep, some they give to IRS t fund itself, and some to politicians. You expect them to arrest themselves? The system is theirs. The mods are damage control and this sub is a laugh for anybody awoke. Gain the knowledge that they keep from you, you will understand reality better.
The mods and the shills in this sub sell Trump, as if he isn't part of the Cabal. Therefore this sub serves disinfo purposes. They even deleted a thread I had about moving on the the action phase and defunding the banks. Shutting down our banking accounts and religously preaching this daily. The mods deleted it and said I need examples of what a boycot is for, and I needed to be more specific about which banks. Complete joke, I said all banks.
Things I woke up to: NGOs stealing children, pedophile blackmailing runs the world, globalists want to kill us all, Zionism, CPS stealing children, freemasonry everywheeeeeeere, hollywood pedophilia, black pope/gray pope/vatican corruption, and I started to pray after being a hard atheist. Pizzagate scared me straight out of materialism, atheism and into the arms of Jesus and God.
Christ re_turns ...
Christ is but a double book entry system tracking and providing remedy for the debts we create ..
The remedy for more debt is even more debt via debt and destructiin industries..
.when we destroy debt at the trewsury the Christ re-turns ..reverses ..and the remedy is peace..
Google : surety rights
When we reduce debt at the treasury..the Roman war corporation becomes our debtor and they will have to sing to our tune ..we can sue anyone under universal jurisdiction..
Google Kissinger universal jurisdiction
..for any crime including politicians and diplomats whose immunity is overridden by universal jurisdiction.
and they wont be. Neither will Hillary. It will take patriots forming militias millions strong in each state to issue arrest warrants for all of the traitors
A well armed militia of Patriots is not illegal. The wording in everything has to be correct and according to the constitution and law. We cant just say "we're putting together a militia to go after the zog". We play it smart until each state militia is at least 1 million strong. Then the fucking order goes out to revolt and arrest the traitors.
In this conversation, it was meant to override the government and issue arrest warrants against some of their own people. I would say that's against the government and illegal. Not saying it isn't warranted, just that they wouldn't necessarily like it or allow for it. Legality gets a little messy when you're acting against them.
Q followers are just being distracted and told to stand down. Q guy just keeps telling to trust "the plan." The plan to distract them and not speak up?
@pizzagate007, kindly respect our submission rules. We don't allow unsourced discussion posts. You're welcome to complain in v/pizzgatewhatever, but to submit here, you need linked support for all claims. Please reply to this comment when you've edited to have the flair removed, otherwise your post will be deleted tomorrow.
Yes, I think we all expected/hoped that these things would go faster. But, 2 years ago there were just leaked mails and fishy pictures on an instagram-account.
Not enough to arrest someone.
Potus ist just 1,5 years in power - and as far as I see it, I htink they did already a lot. Think of the 24 sealed indictments and all the other actions against trafficking and pedo-websites. And, don't forget that they are working in the background to cut off the money and "structures" of that "swamp" (Saudi Arabia, Epstein, Haiti, Clinton foundation...). This is a lot of work to do!
If they had arrested Podesta, HRC, Obama and Alefantis already in 2017, I am pretty sure, they would have been walking free just after a few days - with public applause.
And Trump would have looked silly and we all were bashed as conspiracytheorists (how they did it after that gunman-incident, just worse).
If you want to drain a deep and muddy swamp you have to do some preparation fist - and dig some ditches. The swamp creatures will not notice - but suddenly find themselves aground! That's the moment, when we can catch them, because they cannot escape anymore by jumping into the mud. And I am sure, these people are already "under supervision".
If you just walk directly into the center of the swamp without preparation you will probably sink in - and all the swamp creatures will escape easily - or even devaour you!
When you're the 49th most powerful person in Washington running a shithole of a restaurant, and have lots of blackmail on everyone, you will be last in the rollup.
I'm still smiling at the time I pissed all over their toilet paper.
May I ask you why you came to this thread, and, instead of modding, although the post showed obviously a rule violation, have contributed to the discussion?
The post was flaired by @Vindicator, who came to the thread after you did. See his comment below.
[–] Vindicator [M] 1 points (+1|-0) 14 hours ago
@pizzagate007, kindly respect our submission rules. We don't allow unsourced discussion posts. You're welcome to complain in v/pizzgatewhatever, but to submit here, you need linked support for all claims. Please reply to this comment when you've edited to have the flair removed, otherwise your post will be deleted tomorrow.
But if we hire a team of private investigators then perhaps we could get some more info on Alefantis. Problem is I don't have the money, but If I was a millionaire I'd be funding a giant team of PI's to get everything on Podesta and Alefantis
I'm betting there already is a mole in the group, which is exactly what they have to do to get the evidence needed to bring them down. Can you imagine how long it takes for the mole to gain their trust, then get video and audio undetected because you know if you get made, you'll most likely get killed and ruin any chance of getting another mole in the group? Not to mention, whoever is the mole would be faced with proving he's one of them by doing some heinous things.
I'm not weak, just tired. Alefantis and Podesta have had all this time to cover their tracks and that just really pisses me off. They've probably destroyed all of the hardcore evidence by now so maybe we'll never get them.
If I lived in DC, I'd do something. But what about the people on this sub that already live in DC? I've seen plenty of people on this sub saying they live in DC, so why the hell aren't they getting interviews with associates of Alefantis? Why aren't they getting interviews with former employees at comet ping pong? Nobody has done anything close to that. It just feels like nothing important is being done and the more time we waste the more time Alefantis gets to cover his tracks
sincerly this is something that i really cannot understand at all. too many efforts to research, too many people "engaged" but i cannot understand WHY people at DC haven't dont anything. I live in a shitty country, but we have a good thing, average population here is totally against pedo, and if there is a suspicion about a place running a pedo ring like this fucking restaurant we hit to death like this: https://noticias.r7.com/balanco-geral/videos/suspeito-de-pedofilia-e-linchado-ate-a-morte-em-osasco-na-grande-sao-paulo-30102015
I recommend taking some time off the internet. Have a beer with good friends on a patio, enjoy the spring weather, smell the flowers, make love to your partner, go camping, attend a film festival or see local bands, go to your local library or art gallery.... life can be beautiful. I hear you, but don’t take this burden upon yourself. You’re letting those bastards Clinton, Alefantis, Podesta rob you of your life. Don’t. Try to live a little. 6 months away from this subverse will work miracles. Take care, brother.
Thanks for the advice, this is really getting too stressful. It's even more stressful when you realize that we have trump as president and still nothing gets done. Sessions could easily blow this thing wide open
We are the resistance! Just keep on going, till the end of days. We are like Bulldogs, we have them by the neck, and we will not let go. Make sure these monsters know that. With Trump or without Trump - this is the begining of their end.
Hey Skippy all this because of 'P@ssword' for Password!!!! And they are idiots to boot as well their outside resembling their inside - Oscar Wilde nailef it with his Picture of Dorian Gray!! Makes our job so much easier. Folks, just take look at Skippy or that Creep of The Century JA - there should be an investigation based on their looks alone. I mean seriously folks!
Your right, but yet John Decamp was able to get Larry King jailed in the franklin coverup. All we need are victims and then we can sue podesta and Alefantis. We need a team of private investigators, but nobody is doing that...
I'm talking to a victim's family right now, there are accounts of date rape and possible missing children's cases linked to Comet, please speak for yourself.
Do u honestly think that a creep.like james alefantis ..with close connections to politicians ..with a computer in the premises is not followed by the NSA..every OS has a back door..
Time comes they will strike..under instructions from whoever activate universal jurisdiction..
Natiinal security agency...an agency of the security of the nation ..the security of the nation is the surety ..ie the individual who actvates surety rights over the US treasury..
Its coming ..nsa is a servant ..an agent
..of whom ?
Pour soul ..lucifer has taken u to a height where the fall is gonna hurt real bad ..
Satan mahaa maaya...its just an illusiion..this papal war game of debt...
Even one dollar in a beggars hand will undo this counterfiet matrix..
I'll ace the cheque with a friend alright ..the US treasury ..
..Peace..
Exodus 2.0
War ends...
Lucifer falls..
Gods plan ..all along
You seem pretty sure pizzagate is fake. Didn't something about it strike you as real for you to be here in the first place? Like, your username is Are_we_sure, like you believed pizzagate but were having doubts. But it sounds like you're pretty sure there's nothing to pizzagate.
And when the cops came through, me and Dre stood next to a burnt down house, with a can full of gas and a hand full of matches, and still weren't found out.
That's kind of how I think about your attitude toward pizzagate.
As if, if there were pedophiles, they would fuck kids live on TV to get caught. Like that's the level of evidence you'll need.
But having Heavy Breathing at your venue, with the pedo spiral, for all ages, and joke "We all have our preferences," isn't enough of a can full of gas and a hand full of matches for you.
And Podesta. With the creepy artwork. And the coded E-Mails about kids in hot tubs rubbing your nose at 5 in the morning.
How come, to me, those count as cans of gas and hands of matches, but they count as nothing to you?
@bojangles, @eagleshigh, @sarmegahhikkitha, weigh in here. How does one leap from a can full of gas and a hand full of matches, to them being responsible for a fire? How does one leap from pedophile bands, logos, and emails, to pedophilia?
Is it a leap?
@Are_we_sure, are you sure you're not just being blind, to ignore the evidence and fail to make the leap?
In your example, you begin with something real, something that actually happened. A house burned down.
Then you two people who had the opportunity and the means to do it.
In Pizzagate, you begin with nothing real, nothing that actually happened. This is the giant absence at the middle of the case.
When you have something real that happened, you can investigate what caused it to happen. If the fire was arson and if that arson was caused by gasoline the two people standing there with the gas and the matches look might suspicious.
In pizzagate, all you have is suspicion. A year and half in and that giant absence is still there.
If you wanted an analogy more like pizzagate it would something like.
There's somebody online who you don't know and who doesn't like you says you're an arsonist. Absolutely no evidence is given.
Then all of his many, many friends look for evidence that you ARE an arsonist. And all of your emails and social media are looked through and every time you mention "fire" or "matches" or "burn" is listed as evidence of your guilt. Also every time you mention sandwich because another anonymous person says sandwich is how arsonists describe their crimes. Then they start looking through all the emails of people you know and their social media and OH MY GOD, his friend from high school is a FIREMAN! The fire department is in on it. And what is this on his instagram! There so blatant about it.
Also every time you mention sandwich because another anonymous person says sandwich is how arsonists describe their crimes.
I know that the code words were just made up on 4Chan. I'm tired of seeing people attribute the code words to the FBI. It was the pedo spiral that should be attributed to the FBI. But isn't it clear that there is coded language in the Podesta E-Mails in a way not present in your sandwich example?
In Pizzagate, you begin with nothing real, nothing that actually happened. This is the giant absence at the middle of the case.
I first thought of Laura Silsby, but you might say she's too far divorced from Comet Ping Pong and the Podestas. Then I thought of Madeline McCann. The Podesta E-Mails were deleted the day she went missing. That kind of coincidence is like coincidentally being near a burnt down house with the means to burn down a house. Then there were the police sketches that look just like the Podesta brothers. Is that a giant absence still? The Instagram posts were fucked. Children with money. Children being taped down. Hotard. Selling of children. If it is all humor, maybe leave that humor to others that aren't already surrounded in suspicion. Then you have Alefantis's avatar, Pan, god of pedophilia. And his name's French resemblance to "I love children" and the acronym "Satan Life." I know what coincidences are, and the possibilities of coincidence here, but it still needs to be stated as evidence. That Axl Rose's name is an anagram for Oral Sex is no coincidence. You also have a video of a child screaming for help from Comet Ping Pong.
There's so much evidence here that it's hard to remember it all, and instead focus on the big evidence claims and how they've been debunked. Like that the code words were just made up by 4Chan, or that the sculpture was made before the Dahmer picture. (Even so, as I've told you before, the collection of the art piece may still be a tribute to Dahmer.)
The fire department is in on it.
Then you've got Megan Kelly doing the soft ball interview. The mainstream media immediately pronouncing it as debunked. The DC police obviously had not looked into it before pronouncing it debunked. And even archive sites started to get scrubbed of pedophilia articles from MSM sites. You've got James Alefantis pizza man named #50 influential man in DC. And apparently some kind of biological connection to the Rothchilds. You've got big politicians visiting this pizza joint for no apparent reason, and large donations going to it.
There was also a murder threat from Alefantis to a pizzagater which had a police report filed regarding.
You also had $65,000 of pizza and hotdogs flown to the white house.
I'm tired of seeing people attribute the code words to the FBI. It was the pedo spiral that should be attributed to the FBI. But isn't it clear that there is coded language in the Podesta E-Mails
True about the code words. As for the spiral the FBI never claimed that the spiral = pedophilia, in that they adapted a very common graphical element. The vast majority of uses would be unrelated.
No I do believe any code words are used whatsoever in the Podesta emails. In all cases, the plain language is understandable and far, far more likely than the fantasies involving the code words.
I first thought of Laura Silsby, but you might say she's too far divorced from Comet Ping Pong and the Podestas.
A subject I have debunked many times. There's actually no connection whatsoever. The claim was that Silsby got the kids from Nuestro Pequeno Hermanos, but that is absolutely false. We know exactly where she got her kids from. The AP tracked down where are the kids came from and found their parents.
Madeline McCann. ..... Is that a giant absence still?
Absolutely. The eFits are definitely odd, but the official police story is they are THE SAME MAN as described by two different witnesses and this man was said to be between 20-40 year old. I know the autists can't get beyond this, but there's no way that squares with two different men who would be in their 60's at the time. (As a complete aside, I don't think she was abducted. I think she died in that hotel room. An accident. The parents put the kids to sleep and go out for drinks and when the come back they find Madeline woke up and had an accident and then they engage in a quick cover up. There's many wierd things about how the efits were produced. The McCanns hired this investigator to look into the case and the guy turned out to be A, a complete conman [he even faked his own wedding] and B a client of Patton Boggs the Republican lobbying firm who was a competitor to Tony Podesta's company. I think he had offices in the same place as Patton Boggs)
The Instagram posts were fucked. Children with money. Children being taped down. Hotard. Selling of children.
You realize that all the evidence was heavily cherrypicked right? Only emails that had supposed code out of thousands and thousands of emails. Only social media posts with kids. It's all a cherry picked distorted view. i doubt people hear could actually describe what Tony Podesta's art collection was actually like, because they only saw a tiny part of it.
If it is all humor, maybe leave that humor to others that aren't already surrounded in suspicion.
You know you have this backwards right? All the posts you referred to were posted before pizzagate and then viewed with the utmost suspicion. That's why I gave the example of people looking through your emails and social media with suspicion and not giving you any benefit of the doubt, because that is what happened. Think of how easy people could frame things, if they already thought you were guilty. The posts themselves are not suspicious, unless you already have child sex on your mind. (Psychologists call this priming.) They may be in bad taste, but they do not serve as evidence of child trafficking. They may be shocking to folks who don't know drag queens, but even that photo of the guy in drag covered in blood is pretty easily understandable as that was his Halloween costume and he was going as Carrie from the Steve King book/classic horror movie.
Wait. What? Who told you this? Pan is not the god of pedophilia. I think you are mixing things up here.
And his name's French resemblance to "I love children" and the acronym "Satan Life."
Do you actually believe this to be evidence? Because I think you realize this is not evidence. And his name is Greek, not French and he didn't choose his name. My last name sounds like an animal, does that mean something? What you are engaging in here is known as confirmation bias, viewing evidence in a way that confirms a conclusion you already have. All people are prone to this. It's pretty powerful too, because it's "feels right" feels like it's true.
You also have a video of a child screaming for help from Comet Ping Pong.
You absolutely DO NOT have this. You have a child on the street throwing a tantrum. The guy taking the video hated Comet Ping Pong. He would have made a big deal out of this years ago.
(Even so, as I've told you before, the collection of the art piece may still be a tribute to Dahmer.)
You are jamming the square peg of speculation into a round hole of the evidence here. It doesn't fit.
The mainstream media immediately pronouncing it as debunked.
I call this prebunked. It never made any sense to begin with. The evidence only begins to look connected if you believe they are all guilty to start.
You've got James Alefantis pizza man named #50 influential man in DC.
You know also made that list? Three party planners, a baseball player, another restaurant owner and some weather bloggers. You know it was not literally describing the 50 most powerful people in DC right. It's just a magazine article.
You've got big politicians visiting this pizza joint for no apparent reason, and large donations going to it.
No apparent reason? It's a very well reviewed restaurant in a city with a lot of politicians. And specifically what politician are you thinking of? It's like a well reviewed restaurant in LA having celebrities go there. Yeah, it's a company town.
No donations went to it. I'm sorry but that's completely ludicrous and it only exists as a factoid because most of the folks here don't know how to do real research and can't understand the documents they read.
There was also a murder threat from Alefantis to a pizzagater which had a police report filed regarding.
You can choose to believe that, but it never happened.
You also had $65,000 of pizza and hotdogs flown to the white house.
The $65,000 hot dog party guy? Not a White House insider. A guy who worked in Texas with no first hand knowledge of the White House and certainly not an Obama insider, he hated Obama. AND he just repeating a fake story that was going around on the right wing blogs and talk shows. After Obama had the pizza chef of a St Louis Pizzeria come to the White House to make pizza, right wing blogs started saying he wasted a bunch of taxpayer money just to eat pizza. (Actually the pizza chef bought the ingredients himself.)
Most of your post contains taking points I cited as facts and showing them not to be facts. For example, your two linked threads about Silsby were fairly long. Can you agree with me that if what I cited as facts were facts, then there would be a substantial theory here, rather than mere suspicion?
As for the spiral the FBI never claimed that the spiral = pedophilia
It also seems to me that you have invested quite a bit of time in debunking. This is the time that was not spent by the media or the police.
It never made any sense to begin with.
Of course it makes sense. There are precedents of covered up pedophilia by elites. What do you mean it doesn't make sense? What doesn't make sense about it?
No I do believe any code words are used whatsoever in the Podesta emails.
The words scream to me to be code. But don't take my word for it. Hay @eagleshigh, @bojangles, @sarmegahhikkitha, does that sound like coded language or no? I am a native speaker of English. Something must account for why we native speakers believe it to be code. This isn't confirmation bias, having us see coded language where there is none. There is coded language.
And what could the kids rubbing his nose at 5 in the morning mean? Can you at least admit that it sounds fucked up? That someone would excitedly bring their grandkids to Podesta's hot tub, and to spend the night? It is too fitting into the pedophile narrative.
You realize that all the evidence was heavily cherrypicked right?
I'm not sure that I understand how cherrypicking is supposed to be damning here. Like, have you seen that video of Biden allegedly groping that little girl on C-SPAN? It looks weird. But imagine if you popped up and said, "Yeah, but take a look at all of Biden's other TV appearances where he didn't grope a little girl." The isolated evidence is damning enough.
I'm not trying to claim Biden was groping that girl, by the way. I was just using an example.
You know you have this backwards right?
In some neuroscience experiments, you're asked to perform an action, and then the scientists try to predict what you did. They look at their fMRI results. Even though, say, you moved your left hand instead of your right hand, hours or days before the scientists put in their "prediction" of what you will do, the scientists still "predicted" your action before you performed it, by studying the fMRI results that were taken before you performed the action. If I say, "The scientists predicted your action before you performed it," you might say, "You know you have this backwards right? First I moved my left hand, then days later the scientists finished analyzing the fMRI results."
I understand that pizzagate broke, and then everything was viewed with suspicion. But if you were without an air of suspicion, you would just be the guy making pedophile jokes. If you were "already" surrounded with suspicion, as was my verbiage, it was because you were already surrounded with things that would look damning once given an initial spark of suspicion. This is what I meant about being "already" surrounded by suspicion. They were already surrounded by suspicious things.
For example, someone who bought into the Satanic panic of the 80s might make the leap to pedophilia from spirit cooking alone. That's because there is an assumed relationship between Satanism and pedophilia. But then you add the hot tub and nose rubbing emails, and visiting of a venue which plays bands that have the pedo logo in their music video, and you see a selection of Tony's art collection, then you are building a case against someone you were "already" suspicious of. I'd say, given the first thing that makes you suspicious, each subsequent thing adds to what you were "already" suspicious of. Of course, when you present your findings in bulk all at once when pizzagate broke, that's when people became suspicious. But I wouldn't use that bulk evidence as a reason to prohibit my use of the word "already." Remember, the clock starts given the first suspicious evidence, not when the bulk bomb broke.
Wait. What? Who told you this? Pan is not the god of pedophilia. I think you are mixing things up here.
Alright.
Do you actually believe this to be evidence?
Yes, it is evidence. I see no reason not to call it evidence. If I suspected you of being a furry, and then I found out your last name was Fox, that would be evidence. I would wonder if you changed your name. I don't know if he chose his name or not. Given that I don't know ahead of time whether his name is his birth name or a changed name, given that I am suspecting him of pedophilia, his name's resemblance to pedophilia should certainly be kept on the table, and motivate researchers to go find out if that's his real name or a changed name. And even if it were just a bizarre coincidence, it should still be noted as a bizarre coincidence, rather than not mentioned at all. Then we can choose how minimally we weigh it as evidence. Otherwise, you're taking something that looks coincidental and suspicious and blatantly ignoring it, which is ignoring evidence.
confirmation bias
I disagree with your assessment of confirmation bias here. Maybe I would sooner agree to an accusation of pareidolia. It is not because I am pre-convinced that Alefantis is guilty that I take his name to be evidence of Satanism or pedophilia. It is because, in isolation, counts toward the thesis that that man may be a Satanist or a pedophile. This could even be the first piece of evidence, that "spark" I referred to above. So now you see why pareidolia is more accurate than confirmation bias. But even pareidolia is not accurate, because I am not finding patterns in random data, or patterns that only I can see, but rather these patterns of the anagram and the French are objectively there for all to see and evaluate.
"feels right" feels like it's true.
Likewise, that pizzagate sounds stupid or absurd or outlandish can't be used for pre-bunking it out of hand.
You have a child on the street throwing a tantrum. The guy taking the video hated Comet Ping Pong.
If I recall correctly, the video was dated years before pizzagate broke. I don't know why the video taper would hate Comet Ping Pong. If, years before Pizzagate broke, I stumbled across a YouTube video of a kid screaming at Comet Ping Pong, I would think, "Wow someone was probably video taping because they were concerned at the sound of a child screaming," rather than, "Wow that guy probably hates that establishment and is trying to frame them by making it seem like screaming is coming from withinside rather than from the street."
There is a substantial theory here, and even if it is debunked or false, there's too much to it for it to have been pronounced as debunked or pre-bunked as quickly as it was.
You are jamming the square peg of speculation into a round hole of the evidence here.
I am not emphasizing that my speculation is evidence. I am emphasizing that defeated evidence can possibly be resurrected. Not that it has.
You know also made that list? Three party planners, a baseball player, another restaurant owner and some weather bloggers. You know it was not literally describing the 50 most powerful people in DC right. It's just a magazine article.
@Bojangles, maybe he has me here? Can you think of any good defense? How about you, Sar?
These things need to be defeated and deflated, as you're doing. I see what you do as a service to the community.
If there were 49 politicians on the list, and 1 pizza man, he would be out of place. Hearing he was of the 50 most powerful in DC warrants looking into him. If there is a forming theory that he is involved with elites, that magazine article would be constitutive of evidence. It would then need to be deflated as you did, but you couldn't dismiss it as pre-bunked or nonsensical ahead of time.
No apparent reason? It's a very well reviewed restaurant in a city with a lot of politicians. And specifically what politician are you thinking of?
They can order delivery. Hillary Clinton.
Also note how nobody lost their mind and started claiming pizza = pedophilia. That had to wait for the psyops on social media to mature.
If pizzagate is psyops it's worth studying for that reason alone. The controversy should be what powers had the resources to develop this sophisticated and convincing -- (you must admit that a lot of people were convinced) -- of a psyop, rather than some elite pedophiles at a pizza place. Instead we get this MSM narrative about Russian hacking. Rather than the psyop that attempted to sway voters away from Democrat that was being broke by Wikileaks right before the election. Or do you think social media is enough to organically grow such a "psyop." In fact, it seems like a misnomer to call an organically developed suspicion by an unaffiliated mass a psyop. It's not like there was some shady cabal that was pushing this on the world. Or do you think a few 4Channers are that powerful? And I suppose you're not convinced by Q either, while I am.
Do you happen to know if Julian Assange was raised in a cult?
You and I happen to be engaged in critical thinking, and I think there's a mutual respect between us to see that. I am not quick to believe in god or ghosts or aliens or reptilians. I am concerned with epistemology and philosophy of science. I am concerned with law. I am concerned with edge cases and points of failure. I'm concerned about times when we believe what's false, or disbelieve what's true. I'm concerned with the extent criminals can get away with their crimes given plausible deniability. I think there's enough here to warrant a real investigation. I don't think that's a whacko position. Feel free to correct me.
On the "50 Most Powerful People in DC" article, I agree with him. There are a bunch of random non-politicians/lobbyists/government officials on that list. GQ is like some shitty fashion magazine; they don't have any special insight into anything. The only political commentary I've seen from them is Keith Olbermann's unhinged Russian conspiracy rants.
Liberal twentysomethings in khakis drink beer and eat pizza at Alefantis-owned Comet Ping Pong. More established progressives wine and dine next door at Alefantis-owned Buck's Fishing Camping. Alefantis is also the board president of Transformer, the contemporary art gallery that shamed the Smithsonian for removing an installation offensive to right-wingers. When it comes to D.C. radical chic, Alefantis is unsurpassed. If you don't know him, you aren't wearing your scarf right.
It checks out tbh. This is someone that the bugmen who read GQ would like to see on this list. I wonder why they left out that he used to engage in anal intercourse with David Brock, founder of Media Matters. I think that would contribute to his "power."
I think the weirdest thing about Alefaggot being on the list is that Comet Ping Pong doesn't even seem like a good restaurant. This place definitely isn't winning any Michelin stars. Their food looks mediocre at best, disgusting at worst.
@watitdew would you like to chime in here? Is it just the lighting or does this food look terrible? What do you think of the big slab of prosciutto lazily draped over the pizza?
Comet Ping Pong doesn't even seem like a good restaurant. This place definitely isn't winning any Michelin stars. Their food looks mediocre at best, disgusting at worst.
You're wrong on this. It's a well respected restaurant. Folks here tried to pretend it was a front or just a dump...(I guess industrial design hasn't hit their towns yet), but it was a place serious about the food and pretty popular. That's why the idea that children were being held there was so ridiculous. Thousands of people walk though there.
First of all, a Michelin star isn't even what the restaurant is going for and is the wrong standard even to apply to a place like Comet that was always a neighborhood restaurant. In Washington DC, with all its money and all the foreign visitors only 14 restaurants have Michelin Stars.
Alefantis was not a chef and was not even the most famous person behind Buck's or Comet when it opened up. His partner Carole Greenwood was well known and respected, having had her three of her own restaurants before him. She was a good chef, but a bit of a pain in the ass. When Alefantis joined up with her, he was going to take care of the business side and the "front of the house" aka dealing with customers which was not her strong suit, and she was going to concentrate on the food which was her strong suit.
2007 First Washington Post Review 2.5 out of 4 stars
This is a great review. 3 stars is "Excellent" and 4 stars is superlative. 4 stars is a dinner you should never forget and a casual place like Comet wouldn't even be able to reach it, because they are not going for that level of service.
The pies come by way of a big wood-burning pizza oven and Carole Greenwood, chef of the neighboring Buck's Fishing & Camping, where the ordinary (steak, mussels, chocolate cake) tastes extraordinary. No surprise, then, that the pizzas at her spin-off are so seductive. Thin and crisp, the big, rectangular crusts are made with both Italian white and wheat flours, drizzled with garlic-laced olive oil, and scattered with high-quality toppings, including fresh mozzarella and tomato sauce made from scratch and tinged with honey and basil.
First of all, a Michelin star isn't even what the restaurant is going for and is the wrong standard even to apply to a place like Comet that was always a neighborhood restaurant
I'm aware, I just thought the Michelin star remark would be funny.
Yeah, that is a better picture. Surely it would not be a popular place if the food was actually bad. Those Yelp photos sure are unflattering, though.
His partner Carole Greenwood was well known and respected, having had her three of her own restaurants before him. She was a good chef, but a bit of a pain in the ass. When Alefantis joined up with her, he was going to take care of the business side and the "front of the house" aka dealing with customers which was not her strong suit, and she was going to concentrate on the food which was her strong suit.
You seem to know a lot about all this. Alefantis, is that you? Sorry I said you should be executed, but you should quit being a homosexual shitlib with a rather creepy physiognomy. Not cool bro.
I seem to recall something about a plebbit post where Carole's son claimed that their parting ways was because JA touched him inappropriately or they buttfucked or something.
Re: the food it's pizza of a woodfired variety that probably plays well with hipster douche pedo faggots in DC.
Can you agree with me that if what I cited as facts were facts, then there would be a substantial theory here, rather than mere suspicion?
I think IF is doing a whole lot of work in that sentence. Yes, if things were completely different, we might have something.
As for the spiral the FBI never claimed that the spiral = pedophilia
They did, though.
What I meant was you can't just find a spiral and claim you have found evidence pedophilia, millions upon millions of people wouldn't know about that FBI document or that association at all. I didn't before all this. To put this another way, not everyone who uses a spiral is a pedophile.
Of course it makes sense. There are precedents of covered up pedophilia by elites. What do you mean it doesn't make sense? What doesn't make sense about it?
Precedents? That doesn't mean anything about a specific case here today. In 1919 a bunch of baseball players threw the world series. What meaning does that hold for last year's World Series? What doesn't make sense is if you didn't prime people with the SUPER EMOTIONAL subject of pedophilia and just had them read through Podesta's emails or look through Comet's instragram, they would not be jumping to these conclusions. They just wouldn't see it, because it's not there.
The words scream to me to be code. ......what could the kids rubbing his nose at 5 in the morning mean?
It was her nose and a kid. And it could mean literally what it says. One the kids woke her up by rubbing her nose. I know they scream to you, but it's just not so.
That someone would excitedly bring their grandkids to Podesta's hot tub,
You're not even remembering this right. It was a pool, not a hot tub and it was not Podesta's. It was a big party with swimming. I"ve been to pool parties before, have you?
It is too fitting into the pedophile narrative.
That's the whole point of confirmation bias and other mental quirks we all share. It's very easy to take facts and shape them into a narrative that we tell ourselves, in fact our brains tend do this automatically. The question is are we kidding ourselves, are we telling ourselves a story that isn't true.
I'd say, given the first thing that makes you suspicious, each subsequent thing adds to what you were "already" suspicious of.
That is almost a textbook definition of confirmation bias. That's what it is. It's a type of tunnel vision.
If I suspected you of being a furry, and then I found out your last name was Fox, that would be evidence.
My friend, that is confirmation bias. If I never changed my name to Fox, it would have no relevance.
motivate researchers to go find out if that's his real name or a changed name.
This already happened. It's his real name.
it should still be noted as a bizarre coincidence, rather than not mentioned at all.
Confirmation bias is really powertful stuff.
If I recall correctly, the video was dated years before pizzagate broke. I don't know why the video taper would hate Comet Ping Pong.
He was a neighborhood grouch on the community board and had several complaints against Comet.
Wow that guy probably hates that establishment and is trying to frame them by making it seem like screaming is coming from withinside rather than from the street."
Where did I say he was trying to frame them? Have you seen the original video? He was complaining about ping pong in a public space
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHXBrEXmowo
Frank Winstead
Published on May 26, 2007
Is this Ping Pong legal in Public Space? Is it a hazard to pedestrians? Is it a hazard to the adjacent 6 lanes of traffic? Is it a hazard to the players?
There is a substantial theory here
It's built on a tissue thin foundation.
These things need to be defeated and deflated, as you're doing. I see what you do as a service to the community.
Thanks.
It would then need to be deflated as you did, but you couldn't dismiss it as pre-bunked or nonsensical ahead of time.
Folks in the DC media would know that instantly. They could dismiss as soon as they heard as it as evidence. It's basically folks taking thing way too literally, I think in addition to the pattern finding you mention, people's abilities to process figurative language may be at play here. I don't know if there's a term for that. I'm familiar with Alice Waters and Roberta's Pizza and when I heard "the evidence" involving them, it sounded immediately ludicrous and I knew it was false.
They can order delivery. Hillary Clinton.
Hillary Clinton had never met James Alefantis when this broke. I don't know if she has since. And your "donations" to Comet were just people ordering pizza. Political Action Committees (the ones who get donations) have to list all their expense whether it's pens or pizza, when they spent money they have to account for it.
Instead we get this MSM narrative about Russian hacking.
Russian hacking occurred and it was very widespread and went way beyond the DNC.
Or do you think social media is enough to organically grow such a "psyop."
Confirmation bias is a powerful thing. Motivated reasoning is a powerful thing. Strong emotions can overwhelm rational thought. Politics combines all three of those. Now add the emotions about pedophilia and it's insanely potent. I think that the folks who started this knew that the conspiracy community already had a prexisting belief in the word run by a singular group and a prexisting belief in elite pedophile rings as stable and enduring conspiracies. So yes. This was merely throwing in chum in the water. And let's face tons of people who pushed this only cared about the election. They didn't actually believe things like Hillary has a neurological condition and is followed around by a secret medic. They just wanted other people to believe that. The psyop hit the jackpot when they encountered the character of the openly gay and campy pizzeria owner, James Alefantis.
Do you happen to know if Julian Assange was raised in a cult?
I've heard that. I find folks who are almost anarchist in their libertarianism often come from backgrounds where authority was abused.
In terms of this being a psyop, and being set forward by people with an agenda. Take a look at the original post linking Hillary Clinton to Silsby. They claimed that Clinton had been following her for years, they point to a document they said was written in 2001. But when you read it, it was clearly written AFTER the Haitian Earthquake.
I take you at your word, that you are interested in evidence based discussions. Many here are not. I think if you want a real lesson in epistemology and critical thinking, look at all of this stuff from the very beginning and ask yourself if the claims are true and if they stand up. Ask yourself, is the person making this claim in a position to know this? And look at them with the knowledge that a year and half later, funny pictures on Instagram and jokey comments are the worst that was found. You want critical thinking, read the Podesta emails in sequence and not the cherry picked ones and see if anything jumps out at you. This was one of the biggest prebunks. Since no code is in the emails the claims seem immediately ludicrous.
I think IF is doing a whole lot of work in that sentence. Yes, if things were completely different, we might have something.
That's not fair. It's not so completely different, like there were video of Podesta fucking children. It would just be a little bit different, where some leads turned out to be true.
To put this another way, not everyone who uses a spiral is a pedophile.
What would you think of the claim that there is a particular "look" to the pedo spiral, that it has mathematical properties which distinguish it from any spiral?
Precedents? That doesn't mean anything about a specific case here today. In 1919 a bunch of baseball players threw the world series. What meaning does that hold for last year's World Series?
And if there was an airplane crash last year, what does that have to do with the safety of planes today? Maybe something.
What doesn't make sense is if you didn't prime people with the SUPER EMOTIONAL subject of pedophilia
The topic is one which requires heightened senses. And as pedophiles evolve to be more stealthy, our senses must become keener.
One the kids woke her up by rubbing her nose.
I thought it was his nose.
You're not even remembering this right. It was a pool, not a hot tub and it was not Podesta's. It was a big party with swimming. I"ve been to pool parties before, have you?
A heated pool.
It's very easy to take facts and shape them into a narrative that we tell ourselves, in fact our brains tend do this automatically.
And our brains are highly accurate, and do this for evolutionary reasons.
That is almost a textbook definition of confirmation bias. That's what it is. It's a type of tunnel vision.
Unfortunately, I believe that this is the way science is done in practice. People, often those who don't do science, like to claim that scientists are in the business of debunking their theories. In reality, they work within a theory and look for additional evidence to corroborate it, even dismissing contrary evidence because it doesn't fit in well with the theory they're committed to.
It's built on a tissue thin foundation.
Out of curiosity, do you know the details of the Charles Manson trial? Or the Casey Anthony trial? I think the evidence that Manson ordered killings is far thinner than the evidence that Podesta and Alefantis are pedophiles. I think Casey Anthony is guilty as sin. I wonder if the judicial circuit in your brain behaves differently than mine for those cases as well.
This already happened. It's his real name.
It doesn't matter that it's his real name. What matters is you and I agreeing to assess these peculiar coincidences about his name as "evidence" before the truth is in. Weak evidence, mind you, but evidence nonetheless.
Hillary Clinton had never met James Alefantis when this broke. I don't know if she has since. And your "donations" to Comet were just people ordering pizza.
There's a pic of Hillary at CPP. There were some threads about large donations to CPP, but I don't know their accuracy.
Russian hacking occurred and it was very widespread and went way beyond the DNC.
It's this kind of thing that make people on these boards call you a shill. While there's plenty of stuff to wade through and research regarding Pizzagate, there's no evidence of Russian hacking.
prexisting belief in elite pedophile rings as stable and enduring conspiracies.
Because pedophilia exists, and people in high positions of power have the means to cover things up. There are even functional reasons for pedophilia rings at the level of a state. Children who have no one to care for them are burdens on the state, but could be used for trade or solidifying contracts with other nations. Were you reluctant to believe the rampant covered up pedophilia in the Catholic Church, too?
They didn't actually believe things like Hillary has a neurological condition
See, that's the type of thing which is a prediction from the theory. Here we have an existing theory involving satanic pedophile cannibalism. Predicting that Hillary has kuru isn't stating definitively that she does; it's saying here is something which can be tested according to our theory. While it is doubtful that Hilary has kuru, what is not doubtful is that it follows naturally from a theory of satanic pedophilic cannibalism.
The psyop hit the jackpot when they encountered the character of the openly gay and campy pizzeria owner, James Alefantis.
If the psyop was engineered by the CIA or the Russians, then call it a psyop. If the psyop was engineered by randos on the Internet who all agreed that shit looked weird in the Podesta emails and at CPP, then don't call it a psyop.
look at all of this stuff from the very beginning and ask yourself if the claims are true and if they stand up
I've been here from the beginning.
You want critical thinking, read the Podesta emails in sequence and not the cherry picked ones and see if anything jumps out at you. This was one of the biggest prebunks. Since no code is in the emails the claims seem immediately ludicrous.
How can you look at something in isolation like that? What you're calling cherry picking, I'm calling looking at holistically. After seeing spirit cooking and CPP, the emails deserve to be looked at differently.
This whole pizzagate thing has been very upsetting for me. I'm not one to subscribe to conspiracy theories. And it annoys me that there are types of people who don't know a fraction about pizzagate that I do, who think they can just go to Snopes or Wikipedia and determine that it was debunked. It's not a conspiracy theory anyone wants to be true, because we don't want children fucked and eaten. But I want some of it to be true, lest I be an insane conspiritard who fell for nonsense. I think there's a real difference between the type of person who saw a commercial for a TV show about ghosts or aliens, and so believes in them, and a pizzagate researcher who had genuine things to investigate, like if it Alefantis is his real name and if there is a Silsby connection. These are the types of things that warranted research, and were not researched by the MSM or the police.
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How do you know there was no police report filed against Alefantis regarding a murder threat? Did you personally go inquire if there was?
I've heard that. I find folks who are almost anarchist in their libertarianism often come from backgrounds where authority was abused.
Does THAT count as evidence? Here, from the Wikileaks email, we suspect some group of people of Satanic ritual abuse. That this information came from someone raised in a cult, do we think of this information merely as their political muckraking, or as an intentional strike against a cult?
is the person making this claim in a position to know this?
Unfortunately, James Fetzer is an expert in philosophy of science. He unfortunately claims that the evidence gathering and predictive processes of conspiracy theories are like that of other credible scientific theories. If you search the PhilPapers database for conspiracy theories, you find professional papers that are apologetic to the concept of conspiracy theories, even if there is no apologeticism toward any specific one.
That you are so dedicated on this board, and informed, (for example about the community grouch), makes you look like a shill.
There needs to be some authoritative mind map where all of this information is collected, and your deflationary responses can be offered to all pieces of evidence. Then we can easily see what remains standing. There are sites that do this for, for example, the moon landings, and yet there is still the expert in philosophy of science James Fetzer who denies the moon landings. If you say 100 times in 100 threads that there's no Silsby connection, pizzagaters will still maintain that there's a Silsby connection because your voice is drowned out by those claiming there is a Silsby connection. Likewise, for the pizzagate deniers, who immediately believe whatever Snopes and Wikipedia and the MSM tell them, there will always be nothing to pizzagate, and it will always be debunked, simply because that is the claim that is screamed the loudest to drown out other claims of evidence. Screaming loudest is what we have with pizzagate and with flat earth. What happened to the days where calm reason will lead us to truth, and not just truth agreed upon by me, but truth agreed upon by all? I don't think truth is subjective or matter of opinion. Far as I can tell, you're a debunker while Snopes / Wikipedia / the DC police / MSM are loud claimers. "THERE'S NOTHING TO SEE HERE! THAT'S THAT!" Their behavior itself is suspicious, as @bojangles notes.
That's not fair. It's not so completely different, like there were video of Podesta fucking children. It would just be a little bit different, where some leads turned out to be true.
I think this is completely fair. I know someone who used to say, "If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle." You are simply holding on to a conclusion you wish to be true. That's why it seems just a little bit different to you. It's basically magical thinking. It's like saying "If I win the lottery, things will be different."
What would you think of the claim that there is a particular "look" to the pedo spiral,
They still glommed on to an existing design. It will never give you certainty. It's ancient.
The topic is one which requires heightened senses. And as pedophiles evolve to be more stealthy, our senses must become keener.
Senses? Keener? Or Suspicions and Confirmation Bias amped up. What you are talking about seems to be the ingredients for a witch hunt.
A heated pool.
Which is not a hot tub. It just means you don't have to wait for summer to use the pool. It was a backyard party and the pool was going to be open for swimming. Does this still seems suspicious to you?
And our brains are highly accurate, and do this for evolutionary reasons.
OK. I found the root of our problem. Our brains are not highly accurate. There's whole fields of science dedicated how less rational we are than we think we are.This is so many logical fallacies exist. There's a really good book on this called Thinking Fast and Thinking Slow. We evolved two different ways of thinking. One that helped us develop agriculture one that helped have a "gut feeling" that the shadow in those grasses is a lion and we need to start running immediately. This fast thinking, gut/instinct level thinking is often correct, but it's not highly accurate in any way. If it was wrong about the lion in the grass this time, it's still useful as we may need next time. But what happens is we often don't recognize when this quick thinking gut instinct has fooled us.
There's a pic of Hillary at CPP.
So show this to me. Prove your claim. She never met Alefantis before this broke. After this broke, she bought a bunch of pizzas and donated them to various groups as a show of support.
There were some threads about large donations to CPP, but I don't know their accuracy.
They were inaccurate in exactly the way I described. They were not donations. They were operating expenses. The Political Action Committe bought food. That is not a donation.
there's no evidence of Russian hacking.
Utter bullshit. People simply don't want to believe the evidence. There was a large and widespread Russian hacking campaign. It went waaaaaay beyond the DNC. Podesta emails were part of a widespread spearfishing campaign that at least 100 other Democrats were targeted. The hacking groups responsible have been known to computer security professionals for years and years. The same folks who successfully broke into the DNC, tried to break into the White House and the State Department. They were not successful, because Dutch was watching this live and giving the information on what to shut down. Guccifer 2.0 was tracked to this Moscow Street.
Because pedophilia exists.
And it exists outside of the elites. Pedophiles exist at all levels of society, but that doesn't help conspiracists claiming THE POWERS THAT BE are behind everything. In elite circles, it would more likely be very quietly done. Let's pose a hypothetical. That you visit prostitutes. IF this was the case, would you let your friends know about this or would you keep it secret? The idea that once you graduate from the Ivy League and become an elite that people whisk you into this grand conspiracy is nuts. Donald Trump was friends for like 15 years with Jeffrey Epstein. Does that mean he knew Epstein was hiring high school girls to massage him? Or is that something Epstein kept to himself?
Was I reluctant to believe the Catholic Church scandal.
No. Not at all. There's evidence involved there.
See, that's the type of thing which is a prediction from the theory. Here we have an existing theory involving satanic pedophile cannibalism. Predicting that Hillary has kuru isn't stating definitively that she does;
This predated pizzagate and kuru was not the disease they were talking about. The KURU nonsense evolved as the ridiculous theory evolved into cannabalism. Many people were definitely stating this.
If the psyop was engineered by randos on the Internet who all agreed that shit looked weird in the Podesta emails and at CPP, then don't call it a psyop.
it was what I call "seeded" to randos on the internet. What should we call it? A collective mania? The madness of crowds?
How can you look at something in isolation like that? What you're calling cherry picking, I'm calling looking at holistically. After seeing spirit cooking and CPP, the emails deserve to be looked at differently.
Looking through all of John Podesta's email is not isolation. That's a holistic view of what he talks about. Spirit Cooking was a forgotten bit of performance art and a book of 'recipes' that were really poems by a deliberately provocative artist. It's not even well known to people who follow her career. Her fundraising dinners where she used the same name were completely different.
How do you know there was no police report filed against Alefantis regarding a murder threat? Did you personally go inquire if there was?
Because that guy was a fraud who couldn't even convince dedicated pizzagaters he wasn't lying out of his ass.
NO. Assange being raised in a cult does not count as evidence. Has Assange ever made these claims? I don't think he has he just released emails as a batch.
That you are so dedicated on this board, and informed, (for example about the community grouch), makes you look like a shill.
Define shill. To me it's a paid tout, who will push things they don't believe it or are false. My information is accurate, for example, I got that info about the community grouch from here. Do other folks who post here often count as shills? Does it matter if their information is accurate?
If you say 100 times in 100 threads that there's no Silsby connection, pizzagaters will still maintain that there's a Silsby connection because your voice is drowned out by those claiming there is a Silsby connection.
it's not just a question of drowning out, it's a question of not willing to engage an argument on the level of evidence. I posted my Silsby threads. Take a look at them and point out where I'm wrong.'
Virtually nothing I took a deep dive into has stood up the original claims about pizzagate from Oct 2016 are false.
Maybe we should author a book called Debunking Pizzagate.
NO. Assange being raised in a cult does not count as evidence. Has Assange ever made these claims? I don't think he has he just released emails as a batch.
I think I disagree. Suppose that in addition to Wikileaks, Assange had previously been part of an organization called CultStoppers. And under Wikileaks, he releases the bulk emails with no comment. You're telling me that his past wouldn't be evidential or corroborative toward a theory involving Satanic ritual abuse?
I think this is completely fair. I know someone who used to say, "If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle." You are simply holding on to a conclusion you wish to be true. That's why it seems just a little bit different to you.
It's a little bit different because it's a little bit different. "A lead that turned up something instead of nothing" is "a little bit different than" an "entirely different theory."
It's basically magical thinking. It's like saying "If I win the lottery, things will be different."
I don't understand this. @SarMegahhikkitha, am I engaging in magical thinking by saying, "If the Silsby lead turned up something, that would be corroborative of pizzagate"? Why is it different than the lottery example? I suppose I consider Silsby to be one piece of evidence among many, not basing the whole case on her, whereas the lottery would be the primary source for solving all your life's problems.
They still glommed on to an existing design. It will never give you certainty. It's ancient.
Just because there's plausible deniability doesn't mean the appearance of the spirals or whatever aren't indicative of something. In the least, you have suspicious evidence when there was none before. That is, a case with one piece of plausibly deniable evidence is weaker than a case with zero pieces of evidence, not equal to it.
Senses? Keener? Or Suspicions and Confirmation Bias amped up. What you are talking about seems to be the ingredients for a witch hunt.
Pizzagate has made me reconsider witch hunts, as if any Christian society will produce secretive Satanists. If you were in Salem, knowing what they knew, then it may have been reasonable to vote guilty. If you are in the near-historical-present, knowing what we know, we may need to believe Pizzagate, or invade Iraq for weapons of mass destruction, or believe any apparently true theory which turns out to be false. You can make mistakes ultimately, but the question is of what the most rational decision given all available evidence is. Would you let John Podesta babysit your kid?
Which is not a hot tub. It just means you don't have to wait for summer to use the pool. It was a backyard party and the pool was going to be open for swimming. Does this still seems suspicious to you?
No it doesn't. I was explaining how I made the mental leap from a pool to a hot tub, and it was because of the heated element.
OK. I found the root of our problem. Our brains are not highly accurate.
Irrelevant, and it ignores the further capacity elites have for hiding their crimes.
The idea that once you graduate from the Ivy League and become an elite that people whisk you into this grand conspiracy is nuts.
Suppose it is the case that we've sent child slaves to Mars. This isn't private people doing private things and keeping secrets. It's a secret state program which serves the state. So, as politicians are cycled through, (if there aren't constants in a deep state), they will become aware of the secret program on a need to know basis, and why their silence is required for the state's security and their own safety.
Donald Trump was friends for like 15 years with Jeffrey Epstein. Does that mean he knew Epstein was hiring high school girls to massage him? Or is that something Epstein kept to himself?
It means Trump is more likely to know secrets of a friend than a rando with no contact at all.
The KURU nonsense evolved as the ridiculous theory evolved into cannabalism.
And why shouldn't a theory evolve, or this have been a prediction of the theory? And why is cannibalism ridiculous, let alone the leap from Satanism to cannibalism? @eagleshigh, why don't you go all biologist and explain the prevalence of cannibalism in human societies to him. @SarMegahhikkitha, you too.
it was what I call "seeded" to randos on the internet.
wat. What does seeded mean? Why is engineered an inadequate word?
Spirit Cooking was a forgotten bit of performance art and a book of 'recipes' that were really poems by a deliberately provocative artist. It's not even well known to people who follow her career. Her fundraising dinners where she used the same name were completely different.
So her friend says she never worshiped anything. Wouldn't that be like Trump saying Epstein never whatever? From above, secrets are kept from friends. The recipes included real bodily fluids. Does John Podesta's past as a pig butcher count as evidence toward him being a human butcher? I think it does. It increases the probability. @SarMegahhikkitha, I took basic probability and advanced statistics in college, but that was some years ago. Can you tell me if it's true that Podesta's past as a pig butcher increases the probability that he's a human butcher? Is "increases the probability" the same as "evidential"? @eagleshigh, you say you've been reading philosophy of science. Why don't you find out for me if "increases the probability" is the same as "evidential", even if you need to E-Mail some professor of philosophy of science to do so.
@bojangles won't eat at CPP because he's convinced Alefantis crushes the bones of children into the pizzas.
Because that guy was a fraud who couldn't even convince dedicated pizzagaters he wasn't lying out of his ass.
Is "dedicated" here a No True Scotsman? @eagleshigh, you tell me.
Define shill. To me it's a paid tout, who will push things they don't believe it or are false. My information is accurate, for example, I got that info about the community grouch from here. Do other folks who post here often count as shills? Does it matter if their information is accurate?
I don't know. Maybe it is possible to shill posting only accurate information, if it is purposefully selective.
Virtually nothing I took a deep dive into has stood up. The original claims about pizzagate from Oct 2016 are false.
We could write a book called Debunking Pizzagate. Then researchers can debunk our book, rather than YouTube videos and repetitive voat threads. Or, our book would be undebunkable, and that would be the end of it.
Seeded vs engineered. By seeded I meant they planted the seeds for the conspiracy to grow, but they were not in charge of its ultimate destination. Engineered to me is like having more control over it. It would planned from beginning to end. Seeded is giving the conspiracists the basic elements and having them run with it.
John Podesta as baby sitter.
I don't know him, so I wouldn't choose him as a babysitter, but there's zero evidence that he harms children.
Increased the probablity vs evidential.
If you increase the possibility from 1 in a trillion to 1 in a billion, you've increased the probability a thousandfold, however, this is still lousy evidence.
You missed the point with the spirals. You talk about plausible deniability....you're focusing on the tiny percentage of the people using spirals, those who use it as a pedophile signal. I'm talking about genuine deniability, the huge percentage of people using spirals who would have no idea what you are talking about, who have no connection to pedophilia at all. Your approach risks smearing and defaming these people.....again, a witch hunt.
Heavy Breathing is just some shitty local band. One of Comet Ping Pong's things is that they have live bands on some nights, and "all ages" really just indicates that it's not "21 and up," i.e., it is not taking place at a bar. I went to a lot of small "all ages" venues when I was a teenager, and it's not like people are bringing their young children along. Also, a lot of bands that do not have much musical talent will try to adopt this edgy or absurd type of humor as a gimmick (I was in one of those). Does Heavy Breathing have a pedo spiral? If so, I must have missed that part.
Tony Podesta's creepy artwork, I agree. The idea of keeping that shit in your home is so alien to me.
The emails are weird too--clearly some coded language. But to say it's related to child sex trafficking has always felt like a huge leap to me. There's plenty of other shit these nefarious niggaz might be getting away with because everyone is so fixated on child sex. So it's kinda like, Eminem and Dr. Dre walking a few blocks away from a dead body with a can full of gas and a handful of matches. Maybe they were on their way to go torch that body, or maybe they're doing some other, unrelated bad thing.
The example Eminem uses immediately establishes that he and Dre had the means and opportunity to burn down the house, which makes them suspects. The police will still need to establish a motive, look for physical evidence, search for other witnesses, etc. But maybe it was their house, which caught fire while Dr. Dre was cooking Hamburger Helper, and on their way out, they took all flammable materials with them in an attempt to prevent the fire from becoming uncontrollable.
I guess I didn't really answer your question. I don't know how. We just kind of build narratives and reject the ones that seem unrealistic or don't mesh with our worldview.
I think the thing I find most troubling is the media, the "fact-checking" organizations, Wikipedia, et al. marching in lockstep, going out of their way to declare Pizzagate "debunked" several times per article, when they never do that for any other conspiracy theory. It's definitely not making me less of a believer.
migratorypatterns ago
Patience.
Tony Podesta's multi-million dollar business is gone ... kaput .... that's HUGE!!!! And look how people are responding to Skippy's tweets? You think that would have happened two years ago before this story broke?
Evidence for us is NOT evidence that would convict anyone in a court of law ... nor should it. There is a different standard that must be proven and that's where the hard part comes in. Things need to be documented, sources have to be verified with members of the cabal that are either frightened to talk or loyal to it.
A lot is being done. There are all those indictments. Deep breaths ... popcorn ... talk long walks ... DO NOT DISCUSS THIS WITH ANYONE OUTSIDE KNOWN RED-PILLED ASSOCIATES. That last part ... take it seriously. You're never going to convince anyone until everything hits. A couple of friends of mine were posting shit about our POTUS and I stopped myself from answering because they still believe the lies.
Have sympathy for them. Pity them. It's going to be a shock and a slap in the face. Here they thought they were being so noble ... so good ... and they were in league with child predators.
Try to think of it that way, but for now, enjoy this time where everything is gelling and the Cannibal Elite are starting to panic. I don't enjoy all these deaths ... do not ... but I'm taking about the eradicating of this cabal for good. Rooting it out and not just making a splashy arrest. The Kenyan was President! Skankles was the heir apparent. This was not supposed to happen, but it did!
So enjoy and don't get despondent ... we're winning ...
Vindicator ago
As you wish.
Truthseeker3000 ago
You are dead wrong. Just the opposite. All the social media and twitter blasts exposing these satanic pedo monsters is working. Example, look at the work Carolyn Limaco is doing. Shes consistently getting right in their face through social media and Nicky Hilton Rothschild has blocked her on all her accounts and her posts coincide with Carolyn’s, same with the CNN loser she’s blasting. THAT is where the people will win. They don’t like being exposed and more people are waking up with all this new info coming out. As long as Podesta is well know for being a sick pedo and more people know about this, the better. It’s a definite win for Pizzagate.
BabalonWorking ago
piss off arsewipe
Vindicator ago
So you are saying you want to change the stated flair policy to give mods the leeway to decide whether something "needs linked support" vs. "is not a research post."
Yuke ago
We're still watching and waiting and collecting things, don't you worry.
Blacksmith21 ago
Sounds like new rules being made in the matter of expediency and eyeballs.
Vindicator ago
Hmm. Well, kev, it would have been nice for you to add this "traction" stipulation to the 24 Hour Flair policy discussion thread when we were initially putting that policy in place. To my knowledge, we have never used "traction" or "upvotes" as a reason to leave a rule-breaking post up, ever, either before or after the institution of the 24 Hour Flair. It either breaks the rules or it doesn't; that is our criteria.
In the 24 Hour Edit flair policy discussion we said all rule breaking threads that could be fixed with an edit would get the flair, and that:
I flaired the post for removal under Rule 2 because it lacks supporting links, although one could make a case for Rule 4. Just as we have been doing with all rule-breaking posts, and would have removed today, regardless of votes or comments, if users and OP decided not to edit.
But now you have overruled not just my flair, but our whole flair system, which was working quite well. Why?
Why is Rule 4 outside of the flair policy? Is Rule 2 outside of the policy as well? Do we even have a 24 Hour flair, given what you've done here?
Or, are you saying mods are supposed to be making personal judgement calls about what gets the 24 hour leeway and what doesn't? That approach seems way more prone to attracting cries of censorship than giving everything but Link posts the flair.
@think- @ben_matlock @EricKaliberhall @Crensch
WalnutSauceGoat ago
Rules and mods are here to protect and serve us. However, there’s a place for exceptions like these. This place is like a high pressure boiler. Despair and seething anger. Something’s gotta give. This thread provided a much needed pressure release valve. Much better than people offing themselves or deciding on that Kalorama armed home invasion.
BabalonWorking ago
No one failed. A lack of arrest isn't indicative of a failure. A lot of people care, lots of people have honor. Just because you are giving up doesn't mean everyone else is watching football on Sundays. That's insulting to the people that have put so much time into this.
Pizzagate isn't just about Alefantis and Podesta. Don't you even know that?
BabalonWorking ago
Wtf?
You stickied this?? It's discouraging. This is what you want to promote here while taking down informative posts?
GeorgeT ago
Only massive public awakening will bring them down. But average public is totally unaware of what is going on. Cognitive Dissonance run amok.
Babylon5 ago
I'm new to Voat but I've been a long time lurker. This sub is far more powerful than some of you may know. For every 100 people actively posting here there are a 100 more lurking, watching, archiving and red pilling others. Keep up the fight.
Digital-Patriot ago
Same.
think- ago
Thank you for pointing this out.
nzmc ago
go outside, tell randomly met person that
wonder how many seconds you can talk before cognitive dissonance starts
that's the gap between average citizen and mainstream media propaganda, I guess we need some shocks to society to make them aligned with reality where they are even aware of who Alefantis was and whats the context
wonder what golden era we can have as humanity after this deep mafia cleanup is done just think, dream and pray what can happen to earth and humanity once we have full disclosure
millennial_vulcan ago
I think the average person of reasonable intelligence know part or all of the above is probably true.
The problem is, they don't really know what to do about it.
nzmc ago
There are many ways to act and how to act and pray is something that is working
https://twitter.com/ElemiFuentes/status/973902399487336448 read from start
twistedmac11 ago
The Podesta emails that started Pizzagate were released as retaliation to Trump's grab em' by the pussy tape being leaked. This whole thing has been a psyop from the start. Nothing was ever going to happen. That's not to say pizzagate isn't real, or that thousands of children aren't being raped/murdered/etc by elites on a regular basis. Think more of controlled demolition. This has steamrolled into a Trump-supporting right-wing type deal. This was never about having people arrested or stopping business as usual -- it was about making Trump look good and making people believe someone is fighting for the kids in DC. That's where Qanon comes in as well. Propaganda to keep the sheeple under control. This sub now has at least 3 active Trump/Q-loving mods, and that is not an accident. Anyone looking objectively at Trump should be able to see that he's not to be trusted, but yet there is a steady stream of Trumpism that is supported and encouraged by the mods.
The unfortunate fact is, like @Cheeseboogersghost said, if we want things to happen, we will have to do it ourselves. We cannot wait until someone in the government does something because it will never happen. No true "outsider" will ever be allowed to become President. If we want change, it's going to take a full-scale revolution. We cannot trust anyone who works in the White House, plain and simple.
telleveryoneyouknow ago
I’m assuming it’s because they’re bottom feeders. They’re so fucking lame that they aren’t even in the line light because of how fucking insane this pedo ring really is.
:( sad actually
cutelobster ago
Can someone explain why this post has been stickied? It's not even within the rules.
BabalonWorking ago
It's complete BS this isn't deleted.
RedPillEh ago
was literally thinking this, so i came here, saw this. uve probably come across Q anon, i still have some hope. NSA has everything
dundundunnnnn ago
Prince claimed he had insider knowledge of the investigation that could help explain why FBI Director James Comey had to announce he was reopening the investigation into Clinton’s email server last week.
“Because of Weinergate and the sexting scandal, the NYPD started investigating it. Through a subpoena, through a warrant, they searched his laptop, and sure enough, found those 650,000 emails. They found way more stuff than just more information pertaining to the inappropriate sexting the guy was doing,” Prince claimed.
“They found State Department emails. They found a lot of other really damning criminal information, including money laundering, including the fact that Hillary went to this sex island with convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. Bill Clinton went there more than 20 times. Hillary Clinton went there at least six times,” he said.
“The amount of garbage that they found in these emails, of criminal activity by Hillary, by her immediate circle, and even by other Democratic members of Congress was so disgusting they gave it to the FBI, and they said, ‘We’re going to go public with this if you don’t reopen the investigation and you don’t do the right thing with timely indictments,’” Prince explained.
“I believe – I know, and this is from a very well-placed source of mine at 1PP, One Police Plaza in New York – the NYPD wanted to do a press conference announcing the warrants and the additional arrests they were making in this investigation, and they’ve gotten huge pushback, to the point of coercion, from the Justice Department, with the Justice Department threatening to charge someone that had been unrelated in the accidental heart attack death of Eric Garner almost two years ago. That’s the level of pushback the Obama Justice Department is doing against actually seeking justice in the email and other related criminal matters,” Prince said.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/04/major-story-unfolding-internet-sleuths-put-together-bombshell-hidden-in-fridays-doj-ig-report-weiner-emails-key/
Are_we__sure ago
Prince lied to help Donsld Trump.
dundundunnnnn ago
The cabal of pedophiles have run the world since the dawn of time. Do you not understand how far this bloodline occult thing goes back? We are talking generations and generations of disgusting cannibalistic people breeding and setting up networks across the earth. These two men in particular hold a lot of dirt on a lot of people who are still necessary to keep the everyday world going. Like you and I, we are good people and we want to see groceries on the shelves next week...if these cannibal pedophiles are exposed and murdered in the streets..while vengeance may be had, good people are still going to suffer. If the pieces fall slowly, the good people won't suffer. We recognize children are suffering RIGHT NOW, and we pray for them, because if this awakening moves too fast then we ALL suffer.
telleveryoneyouknow ago
Not really... many many talented folks would pick up any slack. The good news of all these filthy creeps going down would reignite the entire world into a renaissance like era. Would be glorious
millennial_vulcan ago
Sounds like someone needs a 'cheer up' meme (or ten!) https://twitter.com/johnpodesta/status/986338008424206347
( @carmencita @think- ....I just can't resist. "Stronger together": LMFAO!!!!!!! Literally having convulsions!!!!!)
Come on. MAN UP, @pizzagate007 Several thousand million more folk have been red pilled than since before the story broke 2 years ago. Thats YUGER than YUGE. Alefartface and Skippy are done. Its almost better they're still 'free', because god knows every day in public is more hell for them than cushy Gitmo, HAHA.
carmencita ago
Yes. I think all of us here get credit for waking up so many people. Who else did that? They tried in the worst way to sweep this under the rug. The people had none of it! They Are SO WOKE. And they are not going back to sleep. We have AWakened the Sleeping Giant!
think- ago
Thanks, millennial! That's the spirit!!! :-) :-)
This.
neptunium1 ago
Yes, the Podestas and Clintons are still walking around freely. And we're all being told 'Trust in the Plaaaan!'. It's 5-D Chess.
Meanwhile we're about to get into an illegal war and are being told the attack on Syria was actually attacks on CIA bases, though there's absolutely no evidence of that.
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
Sadly, this is only a drop in the bucket regarding the crimes of the Cabal and only a tiny fraction of what people need to be awakened to. Start with the phony government, the phony court system and the families that own the worlds central banks that control nations around the world. Rothschilds, Warburgs, Rockefellers, Mogans, Goldman etc.. Alefantis is of the family of Rothschilds, he can't get arrested. Your so called government are employees to the Cartel. The Treausry is funded by the FED and the FED gets its money from the IRS. FED and IRS are private and owned by the cartel. So the cartel pays them, so they own them. Your taxes go to the private IRS. You pay for PG when you pay taxes. Most the tax money they keep, some they give to IRS t fund itself, and some to politicians. You expect them to arrest themselves? The system is theirs. The mods are damage control and this sub is a laugh for anybody awoke. Gain the knowledge that they keep from you, you will understand reality better.
telleveryoneyouknow ago
^this
Food_Stamp ago
Zog emperor trump really taking care of business, huh goys?
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
The mods and the shills in this sub sell Trump, as if he isn't part of the Cabal. Therefore this sub serves disinfo purposes. They even deleted a thread I had about moving on the the action phase and defunding the banks. Shutting down our banking accounts and religously preaching this daily. The mods deleted it and said I need examples of what a boycot is for, and I needed to be more specific about which banks. Complete joke, I said all banks.
jesus_is_lord ago
https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/2496173
angelafogo ago
The merit of the Pizzagate scandal has been red pilling a whole community about what is going on. That in itself is a lot. Blessings
dundundunnnnn ago
Isn't THAT the truth!
Things I woke up to: NGOs stealing children, pedophile blackmailing runs the world, globalists want to kill us all, Zionism, CPS stealing children, freemasonry everywheeeeeeere, hollywood pedophilia, black pope/gray pope/vatican corruption, and I started to pray after being a hard atheist. Pizzagate scared me straight out of materialism, atheism and into the arms of Jesus and God.
truthdemon ago
Christ re_turns ... Christ is but a double book entry system tracking and providing remedy for the debts we create .. The remedy for more debt is even more debt via debt and destructiin industries.. .when we destroy debt at the trewsury the Christ re-turns ..reverses ..and the remedy is peace.. Google : surety rights When we reduce debt at the treasury..the Roman war corporation becomes our debtor and they will have to sing to our tune ..we can sue anyone under universal jurisdiction.. Google Kissinger universal jurisdiction ..for any crime including politicians and diplomats whose immunity is overridden by universal jurisdiction.
Time is nigh..He is re-turning
CheeseboogersGhost ago
and they wont be. Neither will Hillary. It will take patriots forming militias millions strong in each state to issue arrest warrants for all of the traitors
telleveryoneyouknow ago
How do we organize a militia legally?
CheeseboogersGhost ago
A well armed militia of Patriots is not illegal. The wording in everything has to be correct and according to the constitution and law. We cant just say "we're putting together a militia to go after the zog". We play it smart until each state militia is at least 1 million strong. Then the fucking order goes out to revolt and arrest the traitors.
twistedmac11 ago
Against the government? I don't think there's any legality in that. Why would the government make an uprising legal?
telleveryoneyouknow ago
Militia doesn’t necessarily mean uprising. Just an organized and well armed militia
twistedmac11 ago
In this conversation, it was meant to override the government and issue arrest warrants against some of their own people. I would say that's against the government and illegal. Not saying it isn't warranted, just that they wouldn't necessarily like it or allow for it. Legality gets a little messy when you're acting against them.
PedoHunter12 ago
The "Q anon" and "The storm" shit was propaganda shoved down our throats to try and distract us, they hijacked the investigation.
mattsixteen24 ago
Q followers are just being distracted and told to stand down. Q guy just keeps telling to trust "the plan." The plan to distract them and not speak up?
telleveryoneyouknow ago
Actually, Q encourages us to share this information with everyone.
Vindicator ago
@pizzagate007, kindly respect our submission rules. We don't allow unsourced discussion posts. You're welcome to complain in v/pizzgatewhatever, but to submit here, you need linked support for all claims. Please reply to this comment when you've edited to have the flair removed, otherwise your post will be deleted tomorrow.
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
Go Trump aye Vindy? Why are you still here? Did you get your FBI criminal complaint form from Honeybee?
TheRussians ago
Because the pedos rule the world.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Sociopaths runs the world. All pedos are sociopaths, but not all sociopaths are pedos.
truthdemon ago
It a pedo empire run on our debt ..our loans to banks We fund their game
dundundunnnnn ago
Appalling realization
truthdemon ago
Its real and its appauling.. But its also satisfying to know that it is we that are funding it ...because the solution is for us to operate too..
truthdemon ago
Aldous Huxley predicts the savagery of the undomesticated elite https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9cbOLKkxzs
truthdemon ago
Once u see the problem is debt we create.from our consumption that they feed off of ..the solution falls into our laps..
lopus ago
Yes, I think we all expected/hoped that these things would go faster. But, 2 years ago there were just leaked mails and fishy pictures on an instagram-account. Not enough to arrest someone.
Potus ist just 1,5 years in power - and as far as I see it, I htink they did already a lot. Think of the 24 sealed indictments and all the other actions against trafficking and pedo-websites. And, don't forget that they are working in the background to cut off the money and "structures" of that "swamp" (Saudi Arabia, Epstein, Haiti, Clinton foundation...). This is a lot of work to do! If they had arrested Podesta, HRC, Obama and Alefantis already in 2017, I am pretty sure, they would have been walking free just after a few days - with public applause. And Trump would have looked silly and we all were bashed as conspiracytheorists (how they did it after that gunman-incident, just worse).
If you want to drain a deep and muddy swamp you have to do some preparation fist - and dig some ditches. The swamp creatures will not notice - but suddenly find themselves aground! That's the moment, when we can catch them, because they cannot escape anymore by jumping into the mud. And I am sure, these people are already "under supervision".
If you just walk directly into the center of the swamp without preparation you will probably sink in - and all the swamp creatures will escape easily - or even devaour you!
logjam ago
I feel somehow we are going to be rejoicing soon. things are rolling in washington.
Blacksmith21 ago
When you're the 49th most powerful person in Washington running a shithole of a restaurant, and have lots of blackmail on everyone, you will be last in the rollup.
I'm still smiling at the time I pissed all over their toilet paper.
think- ago
May I ask you why you came to this thread, and, instead of modding, although the post showed obviously a rule violation, have contributed to the discussion?
@Vindicator @kevdude
millennial_vulcan ago
I wasn't going to contribute either (total violation of rules, agree), but then couldn't help myself by using any old excuse to post Skippy Replies.
You know me, Think. hangs head
:)
Blacksmith21 ago
Can I ask why the "illegal" post is now stickied, unmodified, and never flaired by any other mod? (Since you like airing laundry in public)
think- ago
The post was flaired by @Vindicator, who came to the thread after you did. See his comment below.
Digital-Patriot ago
Why is your name "think" when you do nothing but the opposite?
Blacksmith21 ago
LMAO @Digital-Patriot
BabalonWorking ago
May I ask why good posts are taken down and this opinion full of crap is left up?
cutelobster ago
Yes, I agree. Post has been kept up because it has "gained traction" - I wasn't aware of this exception to the rules.
Digital-Patriot ago
Who cares about the rules?
Are_we__sure ago
Whst a nutjob
Lord_Voldevoat ago
If you really did this then I am officially proud of you. You might want to show them how good you do a 360° next time.
Blacksmith21 ago
The lawn sprinkler. Classic.
pizzagate007 ago
But if we hire a team of private investigators then perhaps we could get some more info on Alefantis. Problem is I don't have the money, but If I was a millionaire I'd be funding a giant team of PI's to get everything on Podesta and Alefantis
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
I'm betting there already is a mole in the group, which is exactly what they have to do to get the evidence needed to bring them down. Can you imagine how long it takes for the mole to gain their trust, then get video and audio undetected because you know if you get made, you'll most likely get killed and ruin any chance of getting another mole in the group? Not to mention, whoever is the mole would be faced with proving he's one of them by doing some heinous things.
Blacksmith21 ago
Don't worry about JA. They have everything. Right down to the sauce recipe.
Luxxy ago
Wow, you are a weakling, only the strong survive. Toughen up a bit and grow some balls. This is NOT about you!!
pizzagate007 ago
I'm not weak, just tired. Alefantis and Podesta have had all this time to cover their tracks and that just really pisses me off. They've probably destroyed all of the hardcore evidence by now so maybe we'll never get them.
BabalonWorking ago
Quit whining
neptunium1 ago
Lots of people being given time to cover their tracks. But trust the Plaaaaannn !
Oh_Well_ian ago
What the fuck are you doing, you judgmental lazy faggot??
You're sick of it?? Go to DC and doing something, you pompous cunt.
Fuck out of here...
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
Going to DC would accomplish nothing. They are not our government. The fact that this thread angers you says a lot about you.
Oh_Well_ian ago
shut up faggot
you're another fake fuck on voat and a Q denying piece of shit
pizzagate007 ago
If I lived in DC, I'd do something. But what about the people on this sub that already live in DC? I've seen plenty of people on this sub saying they live in DC, so why the hell aren't they getting interviews with associates of Alefantis? Why aren't they getting interviews with former employees at comet ping pong? Nobody has done anything close to that. It just feels like nothing important is being done and the more time we waste the more time Alefantis gets to cover his tracks
girlinashittycountry ago
sincerly this is something that i really cannot understand at all. too many efforts to research, too many people "engaged" but i cannot understand WHY people at DC haven't dont anything. I live in a shitty country, but we have a good thing, average population here is totally against pedo, and if there is a suspicion about a place running a pedo ring like this fucking restaurant we hit to death like this: https://noticias.r7.com/balanco-geral/videos/suspeito-de-pedofilia-e-linchado-ate-a-morte-em-osasco-na-grande-sao-paulo-30102015
WalnutSauceGoat ago
I recommend taking some time off the internet. Have a beer with good friends on a patio, enjoy the spring weather, smell the flowers, make love to your partner, go camping, attend a film festival or see local bands, go to your local library or art gallery.... life can be beautiful. I hear you, but don’t take this burden upon yourself. You’re letting those bastards Clinton, Alefantis, Podesta rob you of your life. Don’t. Try to live a little. 6 months away from this subverse will work miracles. Take care, brother.
pizzagate007 ago
Thanks for the advice, this is really getting too stressful. It's even more stressful when you realize that we have trump as president and still nothing gets done. Sessions could easily blow this thing wide open
lovely1 ago
I understand . We shall see who will help and if we must we will find another way
WalnutSauceGoat ago
It’s enough to get anyone discouraged. And depressed, frankly. It’s not just you. Hang in there.
GeorgeT ago
We are the resistance! Just keep on going, till the end of days. We are like Bulldogs, we have them by the neck, and we will not let go. Make sure these monsters know that. With Trump or without Trump - this is the begining of their end. Hey Skippy all this because of 'P@ssword' for Password!!!! And they are idiots to boot as well their outside resembling their inside - Oscar Wilde nailef it with his Picture of Dorian Gray!! Makes our job so much easier. Folks, just take look at Skippy or that Creep of The Century JA - there should be an investigation based on their looks alone. I mean seriously folks!
ThePuppetShow ago
Our judicial system has failed. There's nothing we can do while the foxes are running the hen house. These are very powerful people.
pizzagate007 ago
Your right, but yet John Decamp was able to get Larry King jailed in the franklin coverup. All we need are victims and then we can sue podesta and Alefantis. We need a team of private investigators, but nobody is doing that...
swordfish69 ago
I'm talking to a victim's family right now, there are accounts of date rape and possible missing children's cases linked to Comet, please speak for yourself.
Dickface808 ago
If nobody in "law enforcement" is willing to make Alefantis prove "Caris James" is still alive, then we have no chance.
PedoHunter12 ago
Well said OP.
Are_we_sure ago
And you still can't even state enough evidence to justify a warrant
truthdemon ago
NSA has the evidence..who do u think has a copy of the comet pizza hard drive... The comet website was hacked and details sent to NSA ..
Are_we_sure ago
Why do you believe that?
truthdemon ago
Do u honestly think that a creep.like james alefantis ..with close connections to politicians ..with a computer in the premises is not followed by the NSA..every OS has a back door.. Time comes they will strike..under instructions from whoever activate universal jurisdiction.. Natiinal security agency...an agency of the security of the nation ..the security of the nation is the surety ..ie the individual who actvates surety rights over the US treasury.. Its coming ..nsa is a servant ..an agent ..of whom ?
Are_we_sure ago
Check in with a friend and make sure you're doing OK.
truthdemon ago
Pour soul ..lucifer has taken u to a height where the fall is gonna hurt real bad .. Satan mahaa maaya...its just an illusiion..this papal war game of debt... Even one dollar in a beggars hand will undo this counterfiet matrix.. I'll ace the cheque with a friend alright ..the US treasury .. ..Peace.. Exodus 2.0 War ends... Lucifer falls.. Gods plan ..all along
Antiracist10 ago
@eagleshigh @bojangles @sarmegahhikkitha holy shit this guy is a trip.
He talks like @sarmegahhikkitha and is just as crazy.
Antiracist10 ago
You seem pretty sure pizzagate is fake. Didn't something about it strike you as real for you to be here in the first place? Like, your username is Are_we_sure, like you believed pizzagate but were having doubts. But it sounds like you're pretty sure there's nothing to pizzagate.
@eagleshigh @bojangles @sarmegahhikkitha
Are_we_sure ago
The folks who got pizzagate rolling didn't believe in it. They just knew it would a potent weapon. I was surprised to find actual true believers.
Antiracist10 ago
You don't think James Alefantis is involved in any pedo shit? Really? Really?
@eagleshigh @bojangles @sarmegahhikkitha
Are_we_sure ago
I do not.
Antiracist10 ago
I'm reminded of this lyric:
That's kind of how I think about your attitude toward pizzagate.
As if, if there were pedophiles, they would fuck kids live on TV to get caught. Like that's the level of evidence you'll need.
But having Heavy Breathing at your venue, with the pedo spiral, for all ages, and joke "We all have our preferences," isn't enough of a can full of gas and a hand full of matches for you.
And Podesta. With the creepy artwork. And the coded E-Mails about kids in hot tubs rubbing your nose at 5 in the morning.
How come, to me, those count as cans of gas and hands of matches, but they count as nothing to you?
@bojangles, @eagleshigh, @sarmegahhikkitha, weigh in here. How does one leap from a can full of gas and a hand full of matches, to them being responsible for a fire? How does one leap from pedophile bands, logos, and emails, to pedophilia?
Is it a leap?
@Are_we_sure, are you sure you're not just being blind, to ignore the evidence and fail to make the leap?
Are_we_sure ago
I don't buy your analogy at all.
In your example, you begin with something real, something that actually happened. A house burned down. Then you two people who had the opportunity and the means to do it.
In Pizzagate, you begin with nothing real, nothing that actually happened. This is the giant absence at the middle of the case.
When you have something real that happened, you can investigate what caused it to happen. If the fire was arson and if that arson was caused by gasoline the two people standing there with the gas and the matches look might suspicious.
In pizzagate, all you have is suspicion. A year and half in and that giant absence is still there.
If you wanted an analogy more like pizzagate it would something like.
There's somebody online who you don't know and who doesn't like you says you're an arsonist. Absolutely no evidence is given. Then all of his many, many friends look for evidence that you ARE an arsonist. And all of your emails and social media are looked through and every time you mention "fire" or "matches" or "burn" is listed as evidence of your guilt. Also every time you mention sandwich because another anonymous person says sandwich is how arsonists describe their crimes. Then they start looking through all the emails of people you know and their social media and OH MY GOD, his friend from high school is a FIREMAN! The fire department is in on it. And what is this on his instagram! There so blatant about it.
https://img.discogs.com/Y7VZxKKATX3RT6cnpom2yQIC7OY=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-1976887-1256232685.jpeg
Have you seen the email where he is talking about being on fire? or where that grandmother he knows talks about how much she likes to cook?
and look at his favorite actor, Joaquin Phoenix!!!!! Aka the Firebird?
Look at this email he burned a colleague. We have to see who works with him and if anyone died in a fire.
Wow. So many fires near his house, we have to see if he was near any of these.
Antiracist10 ago
I know that the code words were just made up on 4Chan. I'm tired of seeing people attribute the code words to the FBI. It was the pedo spiral that should be attributed to the FBI. But isn't it clear that there is coded language in the Podesta E-Mails in a way not present in your sandwich example?
I first thought of Laura Silsby, but you might say she's too far divorced from Comet Ping Pong and the Podestas. Then I thought of Madeline McCann. The Podesta E-Mails were deleted the day she went missing. That kind of coincidence is like coincidentally being near a burnt down house with the means to burn down a house. Then there were the police sketches that look just like the Podesta brothers. Is that a giant absence still? The Instagram posts were fucked. Children with money. Children being taped down. Hotard. Selling of children. If it is all humor, maybe leave that humor to others that aren't already surrounded in suspicion. Then you have Alefantis's avatar, Pan, god of pedophilia. And his name's French resemblance to "I love children" and the acronym "Satan Life." I know what coincidences are, and the possibilities of coincidence here, but it still needs to be stated as evidence. That Axl Rose's name is an anagram for Oral Sex is no coincidence. You also have a video of a child screaming for help from Comet Ping Pong.
There's so much evidence here that it's hard to remember it all, and instead focus on the big evidence claims and how they've been debunked. Like that the code words were just made up by 4Chan, or that the sculpture was made before the Dahmer picture. (Even so, as I've told you before, the collection of the art piece may still be a tribute to Dahmer.)
Then you've got Megan Kelly doing the soft ball interview. The mainstream media immediately pronouncing it as debunked. The DC police obviously had not looked into it before pronouncing it debunked. And even archive sites started to get scrubbed of pedophilia articles from MSM sites. You've got James Alefantis pizza man named #50 influential man in DC. And apparently some kind of biological connection to the Rothchilds. You've got big politicians visiting this pizza joint for no apparent reason, and large donations going to it.
There was also a murder threat from Alefantis to a pizzagater which had a police report filed regarding.
You also had $65,000 of pizza and hotdogs flown to the white house.
Man, there's some fucked up suspicious shit here.
@eagleshigh @bojangles @sarmegahhikkitha
Are_we_sure ago
True about the code words. As for the spiral the FBI never claimed that the spiral = pedophilia, in that they adapted a very common graphical element. The vast majority of uses would be unrelated.
No I do believe any code words are used whatsoever in the Podesta emails. In all cases, the plain language is understandable and far, far more likely than the fantasies involving the code words.
A subject I have debunked many times. There's actually no connection whatsoever. The claim was that Silsby got the kids from Nuestro Pequeno Hermanos, but that is absolutely false. We know exactly where she got her kids from. The AP tracked down where are the kids came from and found their parents.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2122947 https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2153386
Absolutely. The eFits are definitely odd, but the official police story is they are THE SAME MAN as described by two different witnesses and this man was said to be between 20-40 year old. I know the autists can't get beyond this, but there's no way that squares with two different men who would be in their 60's at the time. (As a complete aside, I don't think she was abducted. I think she died in that hotel room. An accident. The parents put the kids to sleep and go out for drinks and when the come back they find Madeline woke up and had an accident and then they engage in a quick cover up. There's many wierd things about how the efits were produced. The McCanns hired this investigator to look into the case and the guy turned out to be A, a complete conman [he even faked his own wedding] and B a client of Patton Boggs the Republican lobbying firm who was a competitor to Tony Podesta's company. I think he had offices in the same place as Patton Boggs)
You realize that all the evidence was heavily cherrypicked right? Only emails that had supposed code out of thousands and thousands of emails. Only social media posts with kids. It's all a cherry picked distorted view. i doubt people hear could actually describe what Tony Podesta's art collection was actually like, because they only saw a tiny part of it.
You know you have this backwards right? All the posts you referred to were posted before pizzagate and then viewed with the utmost suspicion. That's why I gave the example of people looking through your emails and social media with suspicion and not giving you any benefit of the doubt, because that is what happened. Think of how easy people could frame things, if they already thought you were guilty. The posts themselves are not suspicious, unless you already have child sex on your mind. (Psychologists call this priming.) They may be in bad taste, but they do not serve as evidence of child trafficking. They may be shocking to folks who don't know drag queens, but even that photo of the guy in drag covered in blood is pretty easily understandable as that was his Halloween costume and he was going as Carrie from the Steve King book/classic horror movie.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/stephenking/images/6/6a/Carrie_10.jpg
Wait. What? Who told you this? Pan is not the god of pedophilia. I think you are mixing things up here.
Do you actually believe this to be evidence? Because I think you realize this is not evidence. And his name is Greek, not French and he didn't choose his name. My last name sounds like an animal, does that mean something? What you are engaging in here is known as confirmation bias, viewing evidence in a way that confirms a conclusion you already have. All people are prone to this. It's pretty powerful too, because it's "feels right" feels like it's true.
You absolutely DO NOT have this. You have a child on the street throwing a tantrum. The guy taking the video hated Comet Ping Pong. He would have made a big deal out of this years ago.
You are jamming the square peg of speculation into a round hole of the evidence here. It doesn't fit.
I call this prebunked. It never made any sense to begin with. The evidence only begins to look connected if you believe they are all guilty to start.
You know also made that list? Three party planners, a baseball player, another restaurant owner and some weather bloggers. You know it was not literally describing the 50 most powerful people in DC right. It's just a magazine article.
No apparent reason? It's a very well reviewed restaurant in a city with a lot of politicians. And specifically what politician are you thinking of? It's like a well reviewed restaurant in LA having celebrities go there. Yeah, it's a company town.
No donations went to it. I'm sorry but that's completely ludicrous and it only exists as a factoid because most of the folks here don't know how to do real research and can't understand the documents they read.
You can choose to believe that, but it never happened.
Nope. I debunked that too.
Antiracist10 ago
Most of your post contains taking points I cited as facts and showing them not to be facts. For example, your two linked threads about Silsby were fairly long. Can you agree with me that if what I cited as facts were facts, then there would be a substantial theory here, rather than mere suspicion?
They did, though. https://wikileaks.org/wiki/FBI_pedophile_symbols
It also seems to me that you have invested quite a bit of time in debunking. This is the time that was not spent by the media or the police.
Of course it makes sense. There are precedents of covered up pedophilia by elites. What do you mean it doesn't make sense? What doesn't make sense about it?
The words scream to me to be code. But don't take my word for it. Hay @eagleshigh, @bojangles, @sarmegahhikkitha, does that sound like coded language or no? I am a native speaker of English. Something must account for why we native speakers believe it to be code. This isn't confirmation bias, having us see coded language where there is none. There is coded language.
And what could the kids rubbing his nose at 5 in the morning mean? Can you at least admit that it sounds fucked up? That someone would excitedly bring their grandkids to Podesta's hot tub, and to spend the night? It is too fitting into the pedophile narrative.
I'm not sure that I understand how cherrypicking is supposed to be damning here. Like, have you seen that video of Biden allegedly groping that little girl on C-SPAN? It looks weird. But imagine if you popped up and said, "Yeah, but take a look at all of Biden's other TV appearances where he didn't grope a little girl." The isolated evidence is damning enough.
I'm not trying to claim Biden was groping that girl, by the way. I was just using an example.
In some neuroscience experiments, you're asked to perform an action, and then the scientists try to predict what you did. They look at their fMRI results. Even though, say, you moved your left hand instead of your right hand, hours or days before the scientists put in their "prediction" of what you will do, the scientists still "predicted" your action before you performed it, by studying the fMRI results that were taken before you performed the action. If I say, "The scientists predicted your action before you performed it," you might say, "You know you have this backwards right? First I moved my left hand, then days later the scientists finished analyzing the fMRI results."
I understand that pizzagate broke, and then everything was viewed with suspicion. But if you were without an air of suspicion, you would just be the guy making pedophile jokes. If you were "already" surrounded with suspicion, as was my verbiage, it was because you were already surrounded with things that would look damning once given an initial spark of suspicion. This is what I meant about being "already" surrounded by suspicion. They were already surrounded by suspicious things.
For example, someone who bought into the Satanic panic of the 80s might make the leap to pedophilia from spirit cooking alone. That's because there is an assumed relationship between Satanism and pedophilia. But then you add the hot tub and nose rubbing emails, and visiting of a venue which plays bands that have the pedo logo in their music video, and you see a selection of Tony's art collection, then you are building a case against someone you were "already" suspicious of. I'd say, given the first thing that makes you suspicious, each subsequent thing adds to what you were "already" suspicious of. Of course, when you present your findings in bulk all at once when pizzagate broke, that's when people became suspicious. But I wouldn't use that bulk evidence as a reason to prohibit my use of the word "already." Remember, the clock starts given the first suspicious evidence, not when the bulk bomb broke.
Alright.
Yes, it is evidence. I see no reason not to call it evidence. If I suspected you of being a furry, and then I found out your last name was Fox, that would be evidence. I would wonder if you changed your name. I don't know if he chose his name or not. Given that I don't know ahead of time whether his name is his birth name or a changed name, given that I am suspecting him of pedophilia, his name's resemblance to pedophilia should certainly be kept on the table, and motivate researchers to go find out if that's his real name or a changed name. And even if it were just a bizarre coincidence, it should still be noted as a bizarre coincidence, rather than not mentioned at all. Then we can choose how minimally we weigh it as evidence. Otherwise, you're taking something that looks coincidental and suspicious and blatantly ignoring it, which is ignoring evidence.
I disagree with your assessment of confirmation bias here. Maybe I would sooner agree to an accusation of pareidolia. It is not because I am pre-convinced that Alefantis is guilty that I take his name to be evidence of Satanism or pedophilia. It is because, in isolation, counts toward the thesis that that man may be a Satanist or a pedophile. This could even be the first piece of evidence, that "spark" I referred to above. So now you see why pareidolia is more accurate than confirmation bias. But even pareidolia is not accurate, because I am not finding patterns in random data, or patterns that only I can see, but rather these patterns of the anagram and the French are objectively there for all to see and evaluate.
Likewise, that pizzagate sounds stupid or absurd or outlandish can't be used for pre-bunking it out of hand.
If I recall correctly, the video was dated years before pizzagate broke. I don't know why the video taper would hate Comet Ping Pong. If, years before Pizzagate broke, I stumbled across a YouTube video of a kid screaming at Comet Ping Pong, I would think, "Wow someone was probably video taping because they were concerned at the sound of a child screaming," rather than, "Wow that guy probably hates that establishment and is trying to frame them by making it seem like screaming is coming from withinside rather than from the street."
There is a substantial theory here, and even if it is debunked or false, there's too much to it for it to have been pronounced as debunked or pre-bunked as quickly as it was.
I am not emphasizing that my speculation is evidence. I am emphasizing that defeated evidence can possibly be resurrected. Not that it has.
@Bojangles, maybe he has me here? Can you think of any good defense? How about you, Sar?
These things need to be defeated and deflated, as you're doing. I see what you do as a service to the community.
If there were 49 politicians on the list, and 1 pizza man, he would be out of place. Hearing he was of the 50 most powerful in DC warrants looking into him. If there is a forming theory that he is involved with elites, that magazine article would be constitutive of evidence. It would then need to be deflated as you did, but you couldn't dismiss it as pre-bunked or nonsensical ahead of time.
They can order delivery. Hillary Clinton.
If pizzagate is psyops it's worth studying for that reason alone. The controversy should be what powers had the resources to develop this sophisticated and convincing -- (you must admit that a lot of people were convinced) -- of a psyop, rather than some elite pedophiles at a pizza place. Instead we get this MSM narrative about Russian hacking. Rather than the psyop that attempted to sway voters away from Democrat that was being broke by Wikileaks right before the election. Or do you think social media is enough to organically grow such a "psyop." In fact, it seems like a misnomer to call an organically developed suspicion by an unaffiliated mass a psyop. It's not like there was some shady cabal that was pushing this on the world. Or do you think a few 4Channers are that powerful? And I suppose you're not convinced by Q either, while I am.
Do you happen to know if Julian Assange was raised in a cult?
You and I happen to be engaged in critical thinking, and I think there's a mutual respect between us to see that. I am not quick to believe in god or ghosts or aliens or reptilians. I am concerned with epistemology and philosophy of science. I am concerned with law. I am concerned with edge cases and points of failure. I'm concerned about times when we believe what's false, or disbelieve what's true. I'm concerned with the extent criminals can get away with their crimes given plausible deniability. I think there's enough here to warrant a real investigation. I don't think that's a whacko position. Feel free to correct me.
@eagleshigh
Bojangles ago
On the "50 Most Powerful People in DC" article, I agree with him. There are a bunch of random non-politicians/lobbyists/government officials on that list. GQ is like some shitty fashion magazine; they don't have any special insight into anything. The only political commentary I've seen from them is Keith Olbermann's unhinged Russian conspiracy rants.
It checks out tbh. This is someone that the bugmen who read GQ would like to see on this list. I wonder why they left out that he used to engage in anal intercourse with David Brock, founder of Media Matters. I think that would contribute to his "power."
I think the weirdest thing about Alefaggot being on the list is that Comet Ping Pong doesn't even seem like a good restaurant. This place definitely isn't winning any Michelin stars. Their food looks mediocre at best, disgusting at worst.
Pizza: https://s3-media4.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/x20uz9q3oiXq47fx_oMk5A/o.jpg
https://s3-media3.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/GWS5igZ3AgpreuVIQKvumQ/o.jpg
https://s3-media3.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/okiwHLGn1yFDItzBx13kYw/o.jpg
https://s3-media3.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/OPQ44r0rJWXIWSzrYWz5Aw/o.jpg
https://s3-media1.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/0BGxPMjEl1cOoC7K-PfZmg/o.jpg
Wings: https://s3-media4.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/bh23UGNvbbkBuGU-x4gWmw/o.jpg
@watitdew would you like to chime in here? Is it just the lighting or does this food look terrible? What do you think of the big slab of prosciutto lazily draped over the pizza?
@eagleshigh
Are_we_sure ago
You're wrong on this. It's a well respected restaurant. Folks here tried to pretend it was a front or just a dump...(I guess industrial design hasn't hit their towns yet), but it was a place serious about the food and pretty popular. That's why the idea that children were being held there was so ridiculous. Thousands of people walk though there.
First of all, a Michelin star isn't even what the restaurant is going for and is the wrong standard even to apply to a place like Comet that was always a neighborhood restaurant. In Washington DC, with all its money and all the foreign visitors only 14 restaurants have Michelin Stars.
Alefantis was not a chef and was not even the most famous person behind Buck's or Comet when it opened up. His partner Carole Greenwood was well known and respected, having had her three of her own restaurants before him. She was a good chef, but a bit of a pain in the ass. When Alefantis joined up with her, he was going to take care of the business side and the "front of the house" aka dealing with customers which was not her strong suit, and she was going to concentrate on the food which was her strong suit.
2003 Wasington Post gives Buck's three stars and highlights Greenwood's name in the headline.
2007 First Washington Post Review 2.5 out of 4 stars
This is a great review. 3 stars is "Excellent" and 4 stars is superlative. 4 stars is a dinner you should never forget and a casual place like Comet wouldn't even be able to reach it, because they are not going for that level of service.
Here's what a restaurant that gets a 4 star review looks like https://theinnatlittlewashington.com/wp-content/uploads/photo-gallery/Restaurant%20Gallery/Dining-Room-12.jpg
For a neighborhood place that's not superexpensive 2.5 stars will keep you busy for a long
2008-ish Epicurious article on best places in DC
2008 NY Magazine singles out Greenwood and Bucks and Comet in a story on where to eat in DC.
Washington Post review 2016 two stars.
Here's one of the better photos of their food. They look like well cooked pies--heat high enough and in the oven for the proper amount of time. https://static1.squarespace.com/static/58938b2d440243086b10e033/t/58d835dbff7c50b1728c92d4/1490564723805/PIZZAS?format=2500w
I suspect the lighting in Comet, is very warm and that screws with the colors of snapshots.
Bojangles ago
I'm aware, I just thought the Michelin star remark would be funny.
Yeah, that is a better picture. Surely it would not be a popular place if the food was actually bad. Those Yelp photos sure are unflattering, though.
You seem to know a lot about all this. Alefantis, is that you? Sorry I said you should be executed, but you should quit being a homosexual shitlib with a rather creepy physiognomy. Not cool bro.
@Antiracist10 @eagleshigh @watitdew @sarmegahhikkitha
Are_we_sure ago
Yeah, that must be it.
Bojangles ago
Christ. Is everyone on voat a humorless autist?
watitdew ago
I seem to recall something about a plebbit post where Carole's son claimed that their parting ways was because JA touched him inappropriately or they buttfucked or something.
Re: the food it's pizza of a woodfired variety that probably plays well with hipster douche pedo faggots in DC.
Are_we_sure ago
I think IF is doing a whole lot of work in that sentence. Yes, if things were completely different, we might have something.
What I meant was you can't just find a spiral and claim you have found evidence pedophilia, millions upon millions of people wouldn't know about that FBI document or that association at all. I didn't before all this. To put this another way, not everyone who uses a spiral is a pedophile.
Precedents? That doesn't mean anything about a specific case here today. In 1919 a bunch of baseball players threw the world series. What meaning does that hold for last year's World Series? What doesn't make sense is if you didn't prime people with the SUPER EMOTIONAL subject of pedophilia and just had them read through Podesta's emails or look through Comet's instragram, they would not be jumping to these conclusions. They just wouldn't see it, because it's not there.
It was her nose and a kid. And it could mean literally what it says. One the kids woke her up by rubbing her nose. I know they scream to you, but it's just not so.
You're not even remembering this right. It was a pool, not a hot tub and it was not Podesta's. It was a big party with swimming. I"ve been to pool parties before, have you?
That's the whole point of confirmation bias and other mental quirks we all share. It's very easy to take facts and shape them into a narrative that we tell ourselves, in fact our brains tend do this automatically. The question is are we kidding ourselves, are we telling ourselves a story that isn't true.
That is almost a textbook definition of confirmation bias. That's what it is. It's a type of tunnel vision.
My friend, that is confirmation bias. If I never changed my name to Fox, it would have no relevance.
This already happened. It's his real name.
Confirmation bias is really powertful stuff.
He was a neighborhood grouch on the community board and had several complaints against Comet.
Where did I say he was trying to frame them? Have you seen the original video? He was complaining about ping pong in a public space
It's built on a tissue thin foundation.
Thanks.
Folks in the DC media would know that instantly. They could dismiss as soon as they heard as it as evidence. It's basically folks taking thing way too literally, I think in addition to the pattern finding you mention, people's abilities to process figurative language may be at play here. I don't know if there's a term for that. I'm familiar with Alice Waters and Roberta's Pizza and when I heard "the evidence" involving them, it sounded immediately ludicrous and I knew it was false.
Hillary Clinton had never met James Alefantis when this broke. I don't know if she has since. And your "donations" to Comet were just people ordering pizza. Political Action Committees (the ones who get donations) have to list all their expense whether it's pens or pizza, when they spent money they have to account for it.
Russian hacking occurred and it was very widespread and went way beyond the DNC.
Confirmation bias is a powerful thing. Motivated reasoning is a powerful thing. Strong emotions can overwhelm rational thought. Politics combines all three of those. Now add the emotions about pedophilia and it's insanely potent. I think that the folks who started this knew that the conspiracy community already had a prexisting belief in the word run by a singular group and a prexisting belief in elite pedophile rings as stable and enduring conspiracies. So yes. This was merely throwing in chum in the water. And let's face tons of people who pushed this only cared about the election. They didn't actually believe things like Hillary has a neurological condition and is followed around by a secret medic. They just wanted other people to believe that. The psyop hit the jackpot when they encountered the character of the openly gay and campy pizzeria owner, James Alefantis.
I've heard that. I find folks who are almost anarchist in their libertarianism often come from backgrounds where authority was abused.
In terms of this being a psyop, and being set forward by people with an agenda. Take a look at the original post linking Hillary Clinton to Silsby. They claimed that Clinton had been following her for years, they point to a document they said was written in 2001. But when you read it, it was clearly written AFTER the Haitian Earthquake.
I take you at your word, that you are interested in evidence based discussions. Many here are not. I think if you want a real lesson in epistemology and critical thinking, look at all of this stuff from the very beginning and ask yourself if the claims are true and if they stand up. Ask yourself, is the person making this claim in a position to know this? And look at them with the knowledge that a year and half later, funny pictures on Instagram and jokey comments are the worst that was found. You want critical thinking, read the Podesta emails in sequence and not the cherry picked ones and see if anything jumps out at you. This was one of the biggest prebunks. Since no code is in the emails the claims seem immediately ludicrous.
Antiracist10 ago
That's not fair. It's not so completely different, like there were video of Podesta fucking children. It would just be a little bit different, where some leads turned out to be true.
What would you think of the claim that there is a particular "look" to the pedo spiral, that it has mathematical properties which distinguish it from any spiral?
And if there was an airplane crash last year, what does that have to do with the safety of planes today? Maybe something.
The topic is one which requires heightened senses. And as pedophiles evolve to be more stealthy, our senses must become keener.
I thought it was his nose.
A heated pool.
And our brains are highly accurate, and do this for evolutionary reasons.
Unfortunately, I believe that this is the way science is done in practice. People, often those who don't do science, like to claim that scientists are in the business of debunking their theories. In reality, they work within a theory and look for additional evidence to corroborate it, even dismissing contrary evidence because it doesn't fit in well with the theory they're committed to.
Out of curiosity, do you know the details of the Charles Manson trial? Or the Casey Anthony trial? I think the evidence that Manson ordered killings is far thinner than the evidence that Podesta and Alefantis are pedophiles. I think Casey Anthony is guilty as sin. I wonder if the judicial circuit in your brain behaves differently than mine for those cases as well.
It doesn't matter that it's his real name. What matters is you and I agreeing to assess these peculiar coincidences about his name as "evidence" before the truth is in. Weak evidence, mind you, but evidence nonetheless.
There's a pic of Hillary at CPP. There were some threads about large donations to CPP, but I don't know their accuracy.
It's this kind of thing that make people on these boards call you a shill. While there's plenty of stuff to wade through and research regarding Pizzagate, there's no evidence of Russian hacking.
Because pedophilia exists, and people in high positions of power have the means to cover things up. There are even functional reasons for pedophilia rings at the level of a state. Children who have no one to care for them are burdens on the state, but could be used for trade or solidifying contracts with other nations. Were you reluctant to believe the rampant covered up pedophilia in the Catholic Church, too?
See, that's the type of thing which is a prediction from the theory. Here we have an existing theory involving satanic pedophile cannibalism. Predicting that Hillary has kuru isn't stating definitively that she does; it's saying here is something which can be tested according to our theory. While it is doubtful that Hilary has kuru, what is not doubtful is that it follows naturally from a theory of satanic pedophilic cannibalism.
If the psyop was engineered by the CIA or the Russians, then call it a psyop. If the psyop was engineered by randos on the Internet who all agreed that shit looked weird in the Podesta emails and at CPP, then don't call it a psyop.
I've been here from the beginning.
How can you look at something in isolation like that? What you're calling cherry picking, I'm calling looking at holistically. After seeing spirit cooking and CPP, the emails deserve to be looked at differently.
This whole pizzagate thing has been very upsetting for me. I'm not one to subscribe to conspiracy theories. And it annoys me that there are types of people who don't know a fraction about pizzagate that I do, who think they can just go to Snopes or Wikipedia and determine that it was debunked. It's not a conspiracy theory anyone wants to be true, because we don't want children fucked and eaten. But I want some of it to be true, lest I be an insane conspiritard who fell for nonsense. I think there's a real difference between the type of person who saw a commercial for a TV show about ghosts or aliens, and so believes in them, and a pizzagate researcher who had genuine things to investigate, like if it Alefantis is his real name and if there is a Silsby connection. These are the types of things that warranted research, and were not researched by the MSM or the police. ' How do you know there was no police report filed against Alefantis regarding a murder threat? Did you personally go inquire if there was?
Does THAT count as evidence? Here, from the Wikileaks email, we suspect some group of people of Satanic ritual abuse. That this information came from someone raised in a cult, do we think of this information merely as their political muckraking, or as an intentional strike against a cult?
Unfortunately, James Fetzer is an expert in philosophy of science. He unfortunately claims that the evidence gathering and predictive processes of conspiracy theories are like that of other credible scientific theories. If you search the PhilPapers database for conspiracy theories, you find professional papers that are apologetic to the concept of conspiracy theories, even if there is no apologeticism toward any specific one.
That you are so dedicated on this board, and informed, (for example about the community grouch), makes you look like a shill.
There needs to be some authoritative mind map where all of this information is collected, and your deflationary responses can be offered to all pieces of evidence. Then we can easily see what remains standing. There are sites that do this for, for example, the moon landings, and yet there is still the expert in philosophy of science James Fetzer who denies the moon landings. If you say 100 times in 100 threads that there's no Silsby connection, pizzagaters will still maintain that there's a Silsby connection because your voice is drowned out by those claiming there is a Silsby connection. Likewise, for the pizzagate deniers, who immediately believe whatever Snopes and Wikipedia and the MSM tell them, there will always be nothing to pizzagate, and it will always be debunked, simply because that is the claim that is screamed the loudest to drown out other claims of evidence. Screaming loudest is what we have with pizzagate and with flat earth. What happened to the days where calm reason will lead us to truth, and not just truth agreed upon by me, but truth agreed upon by all? I don't think truth is subjective or matter of opinion. Far as I can tell, you're a debunker while Snopes / Wikipedia / the DC police / MSM are loud claimers. "THERE'S NOTHING TO SEE HERE! THAT'S THAT!" Their behavior itself is suspicious, as @bojangles notes.
@eagleshigh @sarmegahhikkitha
Are_we_sure ago
I think this is completely fair. I know someone who used to say, "If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle." You are simply holding on to a conclusion you wish to be true. That's why it seems just a little bit different to you. It's basically magical thinking. It's like saying "If I win the lottery, things will be different."
They still glommed on to an existing design. It will never give you certainty. It's ancient.
Senses? Keener? Or Suspicions and Confirmation Bias amped up. What you are talking about seems to be the ingredients for a witch hunt.
Which is not a hot tub. It just means you don't have to wait for summer to use the pool. It was a backyard party and the pool was going to be open for swimming. Does this still seems suspicious to you?
OK. I found the root of our problem. Our brains are not highly accurate. There's whole fields of science dedicated how less rational we are than we think we are. This is so many logical fallacies exist. There's a really good book on this called Thinking Fast and Thinking Slow. We evolved two different ways of thinking. One that helped us develop agriculture one that helped have a "gut feeling" that the shadow in those grasses is a lion and we need to start running immediately. This fast thinking, gut/instinct level thinking is often correct, but it's not highly accurate in any way. If it was wrong about the lion in the grass this time, it's still useful as we may need next time. But what happens is we often don't recognize when this quick thinking gut instinct has fooled us.
So show this to me. Prove your claim. She never met Alefantis before this broke. After this broke, she bought a bunch of pizzas and donated them to various groups as a show of support.
They were inaccurate in exactly the way I described. They were not donations. They were operating expenses. The Political Action Committe bought food. That is not a donation.
Utter bullshit. People simply don't want to believe the evidence. There was a large and widespread Russian hacking campaign. It went waaaaaay beyond the DNC. Podesta emails were part of a widespread spearfishing campaign that at least 100 other Democrats were targeted. The hacking groups responsible have been known to computer security professionals for years and years. The same folks who successfully broke into the DNC, tried to break into the White House and the State Department. They were not successful, because Dutch was watching this live and giving the information on what to shut down. Guccifer 2.0 was tracked to this Moscow Street.
And it exists outside of the elites. Pedophiles exist at all levels of society, but that doesn't help conspiracists claiming THE POWERS THAT BE are behind everything. In elite circles, it would more likely be very quietly done. Let's pose a hypothetical. That you visit prostitutes. IF this was the case, would you let your friends know about this or would you keep it secret? The idea that once you graduate from the Ivy League and become an elite that people whisk you into this grand conspiracy is nuts. Donald Trump was friends for like 15 years with Jeffrey Epstein. Does that mean he knew Epstein was hiring high school girls to massage him? Or is that something Epstein kept to himself?
No. Not at all. There's evidence involved there.
This predated pizzagate and kuru was not the disease they were talking about. The KURU nonsense evolved as the ridiculous theory evolved into cannabalism. Many people were definitely stating this.
it was what I call "seeded" to randos on the internet. What should we call it? A collective mania? The madness of crowds?
Looking through all of John Podesta's email is not isolation. That's a holistic view of what he talks about. Spirit Cooking was a forgotten bit of performance art and a book of 'recipes' that were really poems by a deliberately provocative artist. It's not even well known to people who follow her career. Her fundraising dinners where she used the same name were completely different.
Because that guy was a fraud who couldn't even convince dedicated pizzagaters he wasn't lying out of his ass.
NO. Assange being raised in a cult does not count as evidence. Has Assange ever made these claims? I don't think he has he just released emails as a batch.
Define shill. To me it's a paid tout, who will push things they don't believe it or are false. My information is accurate, for example, I got that info about the community grouch from here. Do other folks who post here often count as shills? Does it matter if their information is accurate?
it's not just a question of drowning out, it's a question of not willing to engage an argument on the level of evidence. I posted my Silsby threads. Take a look at them and point out where I'm wrong.'
Virtually nothing I took a deep dive into has stood up the original claims about pizzagate from Oct 2016 are false.
Antiracist10 ago
Maybe we should author a book called Debunking Pizzagate.
I think I disagree. Suppose that in addition to Wikileaks, Assange had previously been part of an organization called CultStoppers. And under Wikileaks, he releases the bulk emails with no comment. You're telling me that his past wouldn't be evidential or corroborative toward a theory involving Satanic ritual abuse?
It's a little bit different because it's a little bit different. "A lead that turned up something instead of nothing" is "a little bit different than" an "entirely different theory."
I don't understand this. @SarMegahhikkitha, am I engaging in magical thinking by saying, "If the Silsby lead turned up something, that would be corroborative of pizzagate"? Why is it different than the lottery example? I suppose I consider Silsby to be one piece of evidence among many, not basing the whole case on her, whereas the lottery would be the primary source for solving all your life's problems.
Just because there's plausible deniability doesn't mean the appearance of the spirals or whatever aren't indicative of something. In the least, you have suspicious evidence when there was none before. That is, a case with one piece of plausibly deniable evidence is weaker than a case with zero pieces of evidence, not equal to it.
Pizzagate has made me reconsider witch hunts, as if any Christian society will produce secretive Satanists. If you were in Salem, knowing what they knew, then it may have been reasonable to vote guilty. If you are in the near-historical-present, knowing what we know, we may need to believe Pizzagate, or invade Iraq for weapons of mass destruction, or believe any apparently true theory which turns out to be false. You can make mistakes ultimately, but the question is of what the most rational decision given all available evidence is. Would you let John Podesta babysit your kid?
No it doesn't. I was explaining how I made the mental leap from a pool to a hot tub, and it was because of the heated element.
https://books.google.com/books?id=iOA14mDDnF8C&pg=PA43&lpg=PA43&dq=select+quadrant+with+number+7+trials+subconscious&source=bl&ots=0BlnT3kxDJ&sig=948DjoY6tymx-YVKIl-rwbHdFEU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj61-2An9naAhUMk1kKHZuWCqIQ6AEIQTAD#v=onepage&q=select%20quadrant%20with%20number%207%20trials%20subconscious&f=false
@eagleshigh, explain what I linked and why it is relevant. @sarmegahhikkitha, judge eagleshigh's work.
Irrelevant, and it ignores the further capacity elites have for hiding their crimes.
Suppose it is the case that we've sent child slaves to Mars. This isn't private people doing private things and keeping secrets. It's a secret state program which serves the state. So, as politicians are cycled through, (if there aren't constants in a deep state), they will become aware of the secret program on a need to know basis, and why their silence is required for the state's security and their own safety.
It means Trump is more likely to know secrets of a friend than a rando with no contact at all.
And why shouldn't a theory evolve, or this have been a prediction of the theory? And why is cannibalism ridiculous, let alone the leap from Satanism to cannibalism? @eagleshigh, why don't you go all biologist and explain the prevalence of cannibalism in human societies to him. @SarMegahhikkitha, you too.
wat. What does seeded mean? Why is engineered an inadequate word?
So her friend says she never worshiped anything. Wouldn't that be like Trump saying Epstein never whatever? From above, secrets are kept from friends. The recipes included real bodily fluids. Does John Podesta's past as a pig butcher count as evidence toward him being a human butcher? I think it does. It increases the probability. @SarMegahhikkitha, I took basic probability and advanced statistics in college, but that was some years ago. Can you tell me if it's true that Podesta's past as a pig butcher increases the probability that he's a human butcher? Is "increases the probability" the same as "evidential"? @eagleshigh, you say you've been reading philosophy of science. Why don't you find out for me if "increases the probability" is the same as "evidential", even if you need to E-Mail some professor of philosophy of science to do so.
@bojangles won't eat at CPP because he's convinced Alefantis crushes the bones of children into the pizzas.
Is "dedicated" here a No True Scotsman? @eagleshigh, you tell me.
@SarMegahhikkitha, evaluate eagleshigh's answer.
I don't know. Maybe it is possible to shill posting only accurate information, if it is purposefully selective.
We could write a book called Debunking Pizzagate. Then researchers can debunk our book, rather than YouTube videos and repetitive voat threads. Or, our book would be undebunkable, and that would be the end of it.
Bojangles ago
That, and the pics I saw on Yelp were just awful. Why would anyone go there? Are the standards really that low in DC?
@watitdew you faggot, you never commented on the pictures of the food. Also, come back to #chimpchat
Are_we_sure ago
Seeded vs engineered. By seeded I meant they planted the seeds for the conspiracy to grow, but they were not in charge of its ultimate destination. Engineered to me is like having more control over it. It would planned from beginning to end. Seeded is giving the conspiracists the basic elements and having them run with it.
John Podesta as baby sitter.
I don't know him, so I wouldn't choose him as a babysitter, but there's zero evidence that he harms children.
Increased the probablity vs evidential.
If you increase the possibility from 1 in a trillion to 1 in a billion, you've increased the probability a thousandfold, however, this is still lousy evidence.
You missed the point with the spirals. You talk about plausible deniability....you're focusing on the tiny percentage of the people using spirals, those who use it as a pedophile signal. I'm talking about genuine deniability, the huge percentage of people using spirals who would have no idea what you are talking about, who have no connection to pedophilia at all. Your approach risks smearing and defaming these people.....again, a witch hunt.
Bojangles ago
I like the reference.
Heavy Breathing is just some shitty local band. One of Comet Ping Pong's things is that they have live bands on some nights, and "all ages" really just indicates that it's not "21 and up," i.e., it is not taking place at a bar. I went to a lot of small "all ages" venues when I was a teenager, and it's not like people are bringing their young children along. Also, a lot of bands that do not have much musical talent will try to adopt this edgy or absurd type of humor as a gimmick (I was in one of those). Does Heavy Breathing have a pedo spiral? If so, I must have missed that part.
Tony Podesta's creepy artwork, I agree. The idea of keeping that shit in your home is so alien to me.
The emails are weird too--clearly some coded language. But to say it's related to child sex trafficking has always felt like a huge leap to me. There's plenty of other shit these nefarious niggaz might be getting away with because everyone is so fixated on child sex. So it's kinda like, Eminem and Dr. Dre walking a few blocks away from a dead body with a can full of gas and a handful of matches. Maybe they were on their way to go torch that body, or maybe they're doing some other, unrelated bad thing.
The example Eminem uses immediately establishes that he and Dre had the means and opportunity to burn down the house, which makes them suspects. The police will still need to establish a motive, look for physical evidence, search for other witnesses, etc. But maybe it was their house, which caught fire while Dr. Dre was cooking Hamburger Helper, and on their way out, they took all flammable materials with them in an attempt to prevent the fire from becoming uncontrollable.
I guess I didn't really answer your question. I don't know how. We just kind of build narratives and reject the ones that seem unrealistic or don't mesh with our worldview.
I think the thing I find most troubling is the media, the "fact-checking" organizations, Wikipedia, et al. marching in lockstep, going out of their way to declare Pizzagate "debunked" several times per article, when they never do that for any other conspiracy theory. It's definitely not making me less of a believer.
Bojangles ago
>replying to an obvious Podesta sockpuppet
I'M JUST A KID WHO'S FOUR AND EACH DAY I GROW SOME MORE
mrohm ago
WHAT'S MY NAME
mrohm ago
I suspect he's a Brock shill.