You seem pretty sure pizzagate is fake. Didn't something about it strike you as real for you to be here in the first place? Like, your username is Are_we_sure, like you believed pizzagate but were having doubts. But it sounds like you're pretty sure there's nothing to pizzagate.
And when the cops came through, me and Dre stood next to a burnt down house, with a can full of gas and a hand full of matches, and still weren't found out.
That's kind of how I think about your attitude toward pizzagate.
As if, if there were pedophiles, they would fuck kids live on TV to get caught. Like that's the level of evidence you'll need.
But having Heavy Breathing at your venue, with the pedo spiral, for all ages, and joke "We all have our preferences," isn't enough of a can full of gas and a hand full of matches for you.
And Podesta. With the creepy artwork. And the coded E-Mails about kids in hot tubs rubbing your nose at 5 in the morning.
How come, to me, those count as cans of gas and hands of matches, but they count as nothing to you?
@bojangles, @eagleshigh, @sarmegahhikkitha, weigh in here. How does one leap from a can full of gas and a hand full of matches, to them being responsible for a fire? How does one leap from pedophile bands, logos, and emails, to pedophilia?
Is it a leap?
@Are_we_sure, are you sure you're not just being blind, to ignore the evidence and fail to make the leap?
Heavy Breathing is just some shitty local band. One of Comet Ping Pong's things is that they have live bands on some nights, and "all ages" really just indicates that it's not "21 and up," i.e., it is not taking place at a bar. I went to a lot of small "all ages" venues when I was a teenager, and it's not like people are bringing their young children along. Also, a lot of bands that do not have much musical talent will try to adopt this edgy or absurd type of humor as a gimmick (I was in one of those). Does Heavy Breathing have a pedo spiral? If so, I must have missed that part.
Tony Podesta's creepy artwork, I agree. The idea of keeping that shit in your home is so alien to me.
The emails are weird too--clearly some coded language. But to say it's related to child sex trafficking has always felt like a huge leap to me. There's plenty of other shit these nefarious niggaz might be getting away with because everyone is so fixated on child sex. So it's kinda like, Eminem and Dr. Dre walking a few blocks away from a dead body with a can full of gas and a handful of matches. Maybe they were on their way to go torch that body, or maybe they're doing some other, unrelated bad thing.
The example Eminem uses immediately establishes that he and Dre had the means and opportunity to burn down the house, which makes them suspects. The police will still need to establish a motive, look for physical evidence, search for other witnesses, etc. But maybe it was their house, which caught fire while Dr. Dre was cooking Hamburger Helper, and on their way out, they took all flammable materials with them in an attempt to prevent the fire from becoming uncontrollable.
I guess I didn't really answer your question. I don't know how. We just kind of build narratives and reject the ones that seem unrealistic or don't mesh with our worldview.
I think the thing I find most troubling is the media, the "fact-checking" organizations, Wikipedia, et al. marching in lockstep, going out of their way to declare Pizzagate "debunked" several times per article, when they never do that for any other conspiracy theory. It's definitely not making me less of a believer.
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Are_we_sure ago
And you still can't even state enough evidence to justify a warrant
Antiracist10 ago
You seem pretty sure pizzagate is fake. Didn't something about it strike you as real for you to be here in the first place? Like, your username is Are_we_sure, like you believed pizzagate but were having doubts. But it sounds like you're pretty sure there's nothing to pizzagate.
@eagleshigh @bojangles @sarmegahhikkitha
Are_we_sure ago
The folks who got pizzagate rolling didn't believe in it. They just knew it would a potent weapon. I was surprised to find actual true believers.
Antiracist10 ago
You don't think James Alefantis is involved in any pedo shit? Really? Really?
@eagleshigh @bojangles @sarmegahhikkitha
Are_we_sure ago
I do not.
Antiracist10 ago
I'm reminded of this lyric:
That's kind of how I think about your attitude toward pizzagate.
As if, if there were pedophiles, they would fuck kids live on TV to get caught. Like that's the level of evidence you'll need.
But having Heavy Breathing at your venue, with the pedo spiral, for all ages, and joke "We all have our preferences," isn't enough of a can full of gas and a hand full of matches for you.
And Podesta. With the creepy artwork. And the coded E-Mails about kids in hot tubs rubbing your nose at 5 in the morning.
How come, to me, those count as cans of gas and hands of matches, but they count as nothing to you?
@bojangles, @eagleshigh, @sarmegahhikkitha, weigh in here. How does one leap from a can full of gas and a hand full of matches, to them being responsible for a fire? How does one leap from pedophile bands, logos, and emails, to pedophilia?
Is it a leap?
@Are_we_sure, are you sure you're not just being blind, to ignore the evidence and fail to make the leap?
Bojangles ago
I like the reference.
Heavy Breathing is just some shitty local band. One of Comet Ping Pong's things is that they have live bands on some nights, and "all ages" really just indicates that it's not "21 and up," i.e., it is not taking place at a bar. I went to a lot of small "all ages" venues when I was a teenager, and it's not like people are bringing their young children along. Also, a lot of bands that do not have much musical talent will try to adopt this edgy or absurd type of humor as a gimmick (I was in one of those). Does Heavy Breathing have a pedo spiral? If so, I must have missed that part.
Tony Podesta's creepy artwork, I agree. The idea of keeping that shit in your home is so alien to me.
The emails are weird too--clearly some coded language. But to say it's related to child sex trafficking has always felt like a huge leap to me. There's plenty of other shit these nefarious niggaz might be getting away with because everyone is so fixated on child sex. So it's kinda like, Eminem and Dr. Dre walking a few blocks away from a dead body with a can full of gas and a handful of matches. Maybe they were on their way to go torch that body, or maybe they're doing some other, unrelated bad thing.
The example Eminem uses immediately establishes that he and Dre had the means and opportunity to burn down the house, which makes them suspects. The police will still need to establish a motive, look for physical evidence, search for other witnesses, etc. But maybe it was their house, which caught fire while Dr. Dre was cooking Hamburger Helper, and on their way out, they took all flammable materials with them in an attempt to prevent the fire from becoming uncontrollable.
I guess I didn't really answer your question. I don't know how. We just kind of build narratives and reject the ones that seem unrealistic or don't mesh with our worldview.
I think the thing I find most troubling is the media, the "fact-checking" organizations, Wikipedia, et al. marching in lockstep, going out of their way to declare Pizzagate "debunked" several times per article, when they never do that for any other conspiracy theory. It's definitely not making me less of a believer.