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ababcb ago

Having read through most of your threads, I see absolutely 0 evidence for any of your claims. You want me to believe US Senate Anon is working for David Brock and is possibly David Brock himself? LOL!!! At the same time, you say we shouldn't do ANY surveillance of groups like the ROJ, SOBIB or the Sarasota Airport? It's obvious that YOU are a shill, not HLI, and that you are very, very scared of private surveillance being done on you.

I'm supposed to believe HLI is working for David Brock when it is YOU who are practically BEGGING us not to do any real life investigation? Sorry, but I'm laughing at you.

Everybody reading these threads should take this as a BIG RED FLAG that HLI is on to something about putting hidden cameras on pedos and they do NOT want you to do this. This is damage control of the highest level. Everybody needs to get a hidden camera and spy on their local SOBIB members. They are literally begging us not to.

SoberSecondThought ago

Okay, slow down a bit if you please.

  1. I did not say, do not do ANY surveillance. I said do not go to the address in Adams Morgan. That's all. You can find me encouraging someone to go undercover against the Shriners in Sarasota here. If you're going to claim I said something different, provide a quote.

  2. Did you check the links I provided in Part 1 showing that HLI did not originate the ROJ information, or the Adams Morgan address? Did you check the Senate Anon thread to see that he also claimed to have originated these things, when they are nearly a year old now? I have proved that HLI and Senate Anon both lied, and that they told the SAME lie. Did you really not see that?

  3. Yes, I think it would be great if you put a camera on your local SOBIB member. Here's a thread I posted the other day, based on my own original research, showing that Ralph T. Baker, SOBIB member, is the son of the man who founded CIA front organization Summit Aviation. It was a busy time, and it got hardly any attention, so I can see where you might have missed it.

  4. The problem with going after SOBIB is that nobody has offered any stronger proof of a connection to Pizzagate than that the ROJ once rented space next to a liquor store that Alefantis got his Comet sign from. They're dirty, yes. That is indisputable. They are worth going after, even if they aren't connected to Pizzagate. But HLI did not turn up that info, and Senate Anon did not turn up that info, despite claiming to. Citizen investigators on this board did. What good are these supposed "insiders" if all they offer us is lies about our own work?

Now, if you possibly can, I'd like you to take a breath and calm down. No more all-caps, okay? Thank you.

ababcb ago

I did not say, do not do ANY surveillance. I said do not go to the address in Adams Morgan. That's all. You can find me encouraging someone to go undercover against the Shriners in Sarasota here. If you're going to claim I said something different, provide a quote.

If you're not against surveillance then perhaps you aren't a shill but the lack of evidence you've provided for any of your claims, combined with your insistence not to investigate Adams Morgan is suspicious to me.

Did you check the links I provided in Part 1 showing that HLI did not originate the ROJ information, or the Adams Morgan address? Did you check the Senate Anon thread to see that he also claimed to have originated these things, when they are nearly a year old now? I have proved that HLI and Senate Anon both lied, and that they told the SAME lie. Did you really not see that?

Yes but I followed the Senate Anon threads closely and he did not claim to be the "originator" of the information. He just said "look here". And secondly, he didn't tell anyone to spy on Adams Morgan in particular, but local ROJ and SOBIB members in your own state. It was necessary to bring up Adams Morgan to get this point across, however, because if you said to me "An offshoot of Freemasonry called the Royal Order of Jesters is controlling the country through blackmail" I would have laughed at you. But with the evidence pertaining to Adams Morgan in hand, that actually becomes a very believable claim.

Yes, I think it would be great if you put a camera on your local SOBIB member. Here's a thread I posted the other day, based on my own original research, showing that Ralph T. Baker, SOBIB member, is the son of the man who founded CIA front organization Summit Aviation. It was a busy time, and it got hardly any attention, so I can see where you might have missed it.

I did indeed miss that thread, I'll check it out.

The problem with going after SOBIB is that nobody has offered any stronger proof of a connection to Pizzagate than that the ROJ once rented space next to a liquor store that Alefantis got his Comet sign from.

Wrong. In addition to what you said, they also currently employ two former comet ping pong employees and there is a news article of about them blackmailing Len Downie (former executive editor at the Washington Post) at Adams Morgan and his subsequent attempt to cover it up. There's also the fact that Obama had a secret meeting with donors at Adams Morgan. Moreover, the February advertisement for their "Drag Queen Brunch" on their facebook has dozens of girl lover logos all over it (to me, indicating an underage orgy). There is also the fact that they USED to have back-to-back pictures of an assortment of children of different nationalities, followed by a raunchy picture of a drag queen giving a lap dance, in between their photos of sushi (as if to indicate that something else might be on the menu). These pictures were immediately removed when this was pointed out on 8chan, in spite of the fact that the post didn't get much attention (here's the post: https://8ch.net/pol/res/10589216.html#q10595684 )

SoberSecondThought ago

Hey, by all means, if you want to investigate Adams Morgan, do it. But there are very few Pizzagate clues that are so well-known by this point. As I pointed out, that connection is even noted in the Wikipedia article on the subject. So the odds that there is still something to be found at that particular place are slim. By now, if they're smart, they've turned it into a honeypot. But maybe they're not that smart.

As for the Senate Anon thread, sure, if you want to nitpick and say that he never explicitly claimed to originate the info, go ahead. But then, I've got to wonder what is left of your claim that he "risked his life" to give us this information. That's your thread title, right? If you were aware that it was year-old information, would you still have posted that thread? Would you still be so impressed with Senate Anon?

ababcb ago

I copied the text from an 8chan thread but at the time I did not know he was not the originator of the information, nor did I know it was old information, so I might as well have wrote the words myself.

I don't see why that's relevant at all but sure, I retract any claim that Senate Anon "risked his life" to give us the information. What's your point? He still said we should do surveillance on SOBIB, ROJ, and Sarasota, all of which you admit are extremely dirty. Why on earth would anyone working on behalf of a pedophile network advocate putting hidden cameras on suspected pedophile networks? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Not only does it make no sense, I didn't see you post any tangible evidence that suggests this is true. You just claim HLI is working for David Brock because "It makes sense" for David Brock hire someone to say what HLI said.

SoberSecondThought ago

Oh, I think my point is pretty clear. You've picked the wrong part of my sentence to concede to.

The folks in that thread were begging Senate Anon to give some actual, hard, insider information. He said "look here," and gave them information that Voat already had at least six months earlier. The pool of Senate staffers is not that large, so if he really was one, then he really was risking his life, but he wasn't giving them any new information. He was letting them believe that it was, though. He fooled you, right? So he was lying. On the other hand, if he wasn't a Senate staffer, then he wasn't risking his life OR providing any new information. He was just lying about everything. As I said.

Now, the much more interesting question is -- as you noted -- how does it benefit David Brock to pay someone to encourage people to do surveillance? It's an unconventional strategy of disinfo, certainly. It took me a year to understand his setup well enough to even attempt to explain that. That's what this whole series is about, to help people wake up and see just what a complex disinfo scheme Brock is running. I'll have another long post about that tomorrow. It's always better to post during prime time, I've found.

Will you stick around and read the whole series?

ababcb ago

The folks in that thread were begging Senate Anon to give some actual, hard, insider information. He said "look here," and gave them information that Voat already had at least six months earlier.

He also said that he was not going to give any more information until he sees anons taking action in real life. IF he was risking his life then it makes sense that he would not reveal any new information if the old information he had been drawing attention to never spurred any real life action. Why should he stick his neck out any further than he has to if nobody is going to place a hidden camera anywhere?

But that's a moot point because he DID give new information; he came back to point us in the direction of the Sarasota Airport only after Adams Morgan had been thoroughly investigated and many anons had independently come to the conclusion that Senate Anon wasn't lying about ROJ or SOBIB.

I think he might have been lying about being a Senate Staffer but that doesn't matter because FBI anon was likely lying about being an FBI agent. What's clear is that Senate Anon was NOT lying about ROJ, SOBIB, or Sarasota.

Will you stick around and read the whole series?

That depends on how convincing your arguments become. So far the only thing stopping me from dismissing you is your past post history which doesn't look like what I'd expect from a shill trying to dismiss Senate Anons claims. Then again, we're both in agreement that sophisticated shilling is going on, so we'll see.

SoberSecondThought ago

He also said that he was not going to give any more information until he sees anons taking action in real life.

Yeah, about that. You're looking for the reason why David Brock would pay someone to encourage citizen surveillance. Seems like you just identified at least one good reason: To get the anons doing the surveillance to come and tell him about it on /pol/. Right? Isn't that what's supposed to happen next? How else could he "see anons taking action in real life"?

But it's all a bit upside down, because anons like @thisisnotagame and @gumshoe_mob already DID take action in real life. So Senate Anon took their work, let people assume (including you) that it was his, and then said, "Come and tell me when you find something good." Aren't you mad about that? You were taken in by him. Why are you defending him?

he came back to point us in the direction of the Sarasota Airport only after Adams Morgan had been thoroughly investigated and many anons had independently come to the conclusion that Senate Anon wasn't lying about ROJ or SOBIB.

Yeah, but that's not really what happened. What happened was that Senate Anon lied, and then you innocently passed along his lie, and then other anons went and did some work that was based on his lie and your mistake. They didn't independently come to the conclusion that Senate Anon wasn't lying. They trusted him, and you, and assumed that they were working on new information. Or anyway, that's certainly what I did when I posted three different threads with original research on Sarasota, plus comments in several others.

At this point, I don't see any evidence of my having misled you. But your "he risked his life" thread certainly misled me. Didn't it?

ababcb ago

Isn't that what's supposed to happen next? How else could he "see anons taking action in real life"?

No, he did not say to "come tell him", he said to post it online anonymously immediately. He'll know when anons are taking action in real life because the videos of private surveillance will be posted on the internet. If someone set up a live stream of flights going in and out of the Sarasota airport (like he recommended), and then people made 4chan threads trying to match the number of flights on tape vs the official number of flights, it wouldn't be hard for him to find out and then come back with more information.

So Senate Anon took their work, let people assume (including you) that it was his, and then said, "Come and tell me when you find something good." Aren't you mad about that?

Why would anyone be mad about someone using research to encourage people to spy on criminals, simply because the person did not himself do the research? Why does it matter who did the initial research?

What happened was that Senate Anon lied, and then you innocently passed along his lie, and then other anons went and did some work that was based on his lie and your mistake.

Lied about what? You haven't shown that he lied about anything.

They trusted him, and you, and assumed that they were working on new information. Or anyway, that's certainly what I did when I posted three different threads with original research on Sarasota, plus comments in several others.

He never said the information was "new" and I don't see why that would matter at all. Who cares if the information is "new" or not if it's true and lot's of people didn't know about it before? If the information he was giving us about SOBIB or Sarasota is true then he was doing us all a service by articulating the information more than once. It would be a good idea, in fact, to make more threads on 4chan about SOBIB, ROJ and/or Sarasota to enlighten even more people.

So I'm not sure what you're point is. How is it bad that you did a bunch of original research on Sarasota?