I posted this info previously, but my evidence was not seriously engaged.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2058303
Two Claims made by pizzagate investigators are that Clinton knew Silsby for a long time and that there is a connection between Alefantis and Silsby. I can prove that both of these are false.
Claim 1: Clinton knew Silsby for a long time
At the start of pizzagate this post on Reddit was considered to be a key piece of evidence.
I believe I have connected a convicted child abductor who was caught stealing children in Haiti with the Clintons
https://archive.is/6lveq#selection-1119.458-1119.635
This post is false. This claim is specifically false.
Hillary has a LONG history of interest in Ms. Silsby. Wikileak emails dating back till at least 2001 have been found in her archives discussing Laura's NGO.
He uses this document from Wikileaks to support his claim.
However, if you know what that document is and how it got in Hillary's emails it shows the opposite of what he claims. The truth is:
It absolutely false that Hillary has a LONG history of interest in Silsby.
It is absolutely false this document is an email.
It is absolutely false this document dates back to 2001.
There are multiple sources of evidence that prove conclusively this document is from 2010 and not 2001.
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Wikileaks doesn't have Clinton's emails from 2001.
She became Secretary of State in 2009 and that is when she started using her clintonemail.com account.
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The document is Silsby plan about what to do when she gets to Haiti and and it clearly was written after the massive earthquake on January 12, 2010 which she mentions ...."the catastrophic earthquake** this past week.**
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If you go to the original source of this document you see it's not an email and that Wikileaks has this wrong in their system and they clearly have the date wrong, they also have this as "an email" but with no sender and no recipient.
From:
To:
Date: 2001-01-01 03:00 AM
This is a mistake in the Wikileaks system and possibly in the State Department FOIA site, but once you read the document, it's clearly from 2010.
We CAN identify exactly how this document got in HIllary Clinton's emails and it does not prove a longstanding connection. In fact, it proves no on in the State Department knew who Laura Silsby was before her arrest. This document is a PDF attachment to an email and it was downloaded AFTER Silsby's group was arrested.
The email thread that has that attachment is from Cheryl Mills has the subject 10 AmCits arrested with 33 children, headed to DR. Now under arrest in Port au Prince
https://www.wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/3765
From: Mills, Cheryl D MillsCD@state.gov
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:39 PM
To:
Subject: Fw: 10 AmCits arrested with 33 children, headed to DR. Now under arrest in Port au
Prince
Attachments: nIcrhaitianorphanrescuemission.pdf
There's a couple of other things hugely important in that email thread. One is this whole thing is not coming from Clinton. It's coming from Consular Affairs in Haiti and goes up the chain. Consular Affairs is part of the State Department's mission. It involves helping Americans arrested overseas.
Arrest or Detention of a U.S. Citizen Abroad
**One of the highest priorities of the Department of State and U.S. embassies and consulates abroad is to provide assistance to U.S. citizens incarcerated abroad. **The Department of State is committed to ensuring fair and humane treatment for U.S. citizens imprisoned overseas. We stand ready to assist incarcerated citizens and their families within the limits of our authority in accordance with international law, domestic and foreign law.
The second hugely important thing to note is nobody at the State Department knows who these people are. They are identified at 10 AMCIT or American Citizens. The way the guy found the PDF that he attached to the email is by googling the name of the group arrested in Haiti. You can go to the State Department's website and read all the emails chronologically and see Silsby and these other Baptists were unknowns. In fact, there's no evidence whatsoever that Hillary Clinton or anyone else in Washington DC, had any idea at all about who Laura Silsby and this group of Baptists from Idaho were before they got arrested in Haiti and that includes Alefantis and MacComby.
So YES, there is a lot of State Department Activity involved Laura Silsby's group and the State Department going up to the Secretary's level. But that is not because it was Laura Silsby. It was because a bunch of American's were arrested in Haiti, Baptist Missionaries at that, and assisting Americans arrested abroad is one of the core mission of the State Department. The reason it reached the Secretary's level is because this was an international incident. It made headlines around the world. Silsby was denounced at the highest levels of the Haitian government including by the Prime Minister. Baptist leaders were pleading with President Obama to get involved. The reason there is any connection between Clinton and Silsby is simply that Clinton was Secretary of State at the time of Silsby's arrest and it was part of her job. There was no preexisting relationship. Read that first email thread to see this
https://www.wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/3765
The chain is
1. Consular Affairs in Haiti emails other State Department officials about a phone call saying that "10 Amcits from Idaho" were arrested.
2 Then Michelle T Bond who was the deputy assistant secretary of state for overseas citizens services forwards the first email to Cheryl Mills and others. She still doesn't know the name of the people involved, but she knows the name of the group
The group is called the New Life Children Refuge America Organization (NLCR). Bill Bistransky found the attached "Plan
of Action"(P0A) on their web site when he googled that name.
3. Cheryl Mills forwards this to Clinton. She just says "Heads up - will forward more as known"
Silsby is not mentioned in these emails. There's no indication at all that Silsby is the leader of these team. She is named in the PDF attachment which just says
Haiti Team: Laura Silsby, Charisa Coulter, Carla Thompson, Nicole & Corrinna Lankford
The next email that mentions them is just called Update on Arrestees and includes no names again, but mentions they are from Meriden, Idaho
https://www.wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/3752
It is now proven that no evidence exists for this claim: Clinton knew Silsby for a long time
I will take up claim two in another thread.
FloridaJackalope ago
The downvoats here speak for themselves. You are %100 incorrect in all of your claims.
Clinton didn't know Laura Silsby before Hati? You've gotta be a fool to not understand how Silsby is a Clinton Tool. One of Bill Clinton's first acts as special envoy for the United Nations in Haiti "was to put out the fire of a child abduction scandal involving American citizens.".
Now, considering the obvious and blatant evidence we have surrounding that case (the abduction and trafficking of 33 Haitian children by Silsby) it should be beyond obvious to anyone with a skull that Laura Silsby is a pedo-peddling-future orphan owning biatch.
The Clinton / Alefantis connection has also been thoroughly documented here.
RweSure ago
If I am incorrect, then please show how I am incorrect because you have not shown that. You have not provided any evidence that
and that
You seem to think that this refutes my claim, but it does not
This obviously happened after her arrest and the result of Bill Clinton was that Silsby and her assistant would stand trial and the rest would be let go, because it had become apparent the other Baptists were all volunteers who had been told by Silsby that all the arrangements had been made.
You have now made the extraordinary claim that Silsby is Clinton Tool. You need to provide extraordinary evidence to back up that claim. You have provided zero.
Your opinion of Silsby had nothing to do with Clinton. I give you credit for trying, but this fact remains: It is now proven that no evidence exists for this claim: Clinton knew Silsby for a long time.
Because the evidence for Alefantis to Silsby is also incredibly weak.
darkknight111 ago
OP is a known shill, therefore has evil intent and is in general a horrible person.
He also has 3 accounts, which is damning evidence that they are dishonest.
His agenda is "Resist" and "Defend Leftist Elites/pedophiles".
happyhappy ago
You read my post wrong. I said Silsby is A chief officer. Why was Silsby free to go home and have a good life? Sec of state is involved with consulates hence Benghazi. My case is rested. I feel like I'm spinning around in a jacuzzi. :) your case is spinning in the mud an d it sounds like a tactic of the "stall and stall and stall" there are way to many good people here that your not going to confuse and your getting the " nothing to see here folks" signal from them. It's been entertaining though.
RweSure ago
OK. When I saw "Chief" I was thinking Chief Exexcutive Officer or Chief Operating Officer, the very top executive level. I agree that she was part of managment, just not the very top.
This a question for the Haitian courts. On a technical level, she was free to go home because she served her prison sentence. She was facing up to 6 months and was sentenced to the 3 months + she served. She was free to go home because her prison time was over.
I have no idea what you are trying to say here. But no one at the State Department including Hillary Clinton knew who Laura Silsby was when a call came into the Embassy Duty Officer in Haiti. The Embassy Duty Officer is literally that person that needs to be available to answer phone calls in the middle of the night. The Embassy Duty Officer than began passing the info up the chain about the 10 American Citizens arrested and every person on those emails thread got involved with Silsby and her group because it was their job and this is true of Secretary Clinton as well.
If that is the whole of your case, then my point still stands It is now proven that no evidence exists for this claim: Clinton knew Silsby for a long time.
happyhappy ago
Sec of state, in the Huma emails, shows proof that Hillary was keeping up with this org that Silsby was running BEFORE Silsby got busted. Huma was Hillarys executive assisstant. She is the controller of the info that goes to Hillary. The weeder. Was Huma the operator? Are you saying THIS is fake? https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/3776 It looks original to me but hey why would anyone make it look unreal. haha. What are your thoughts? Do you know that the pizzagate shooter court documents online show that he was found guilty and he was sentenced. When that happened the internet went crazy with posts that the pizzagate shooter was found guilty and is going to prison for 5 years. Wow that played everyday for a fortnight. I have a family member that is in prison right now. I have seen many sentencing court documents about sentencing. I know what they look like. Anyway, If you look on the sentencing doc you will see that an couple of Army men, perhaps Army lawyers most likely, took him from the court house, end of story. Now its known that jailers take the criminals away to the big house, right after not even 10 minutes after the sentencing hearing is over, that is procedure of the courts when they sentence someone to prison. They dont send them away with the Army. Nobody reported on that. I tried to correct people but no go. You can point a camel to water but you cant make him drink.. Tell me what you think about that wikileak email I sent ya. Thx, see ya. Thanks for writing back. I will go down the rabbit hole leading to a fake Wikileak email, thats worth it to me. I guess I didnt rest my case :).
RweSure ago
Hi. Please reread my post and follow my links. My post is ALL about that document. That is a PDF document found on the website of Silsby's church in Idaho. It was downloaded after Silsby's arrest when they googled the name of her group. Look in my original post for this part.
Your other bit about the pizzagate shooter doesn't apply to my claim.
happyhappy ago
PDF on Silsby church site? yes, I will definitely check out the church site because that's a great lead. It appears that the church's these people are hiding behind Christian and Beth el Synagogues are involved because they keep popping up. Bill Bistransky info is a lead as well, thx. My question to you is Why would they do that? Silsby KNEW that the pg community would look at their site with a magnifier, and that PDF would be found. Do you think they were redirecting pg traffic to thier info that SHOWS an INVENTED proof ? That's the idea I'm getting. If some how you could provide links I will examine them and tell you what I think. Also the number and link to Wikipedia email cache. Either way, I think you have something and would be a killer post. You may have just discovered Silsby floating fake evidence that has her church involved. It could show that Silsby KNOWS what she IS doing and is guilty for trying to molest and obstructing the pg investigation. Wow, This could be huge info and it would stand up in court. What you need is the doc from her site AND if there is one, the doc from Wikileaks. That would prove your case. Where can I get direct info on this Bill guy? Will you send me that too? I will reread your post.
RweSure ago
The document is no longer on the website. It was taken down sometime after the Wikileaks page on this was created. It was problem taken down years before anybody heard about pizzagate. So this is not invented proof.
This is just a guy who works at the State Department.
You are completely misunderstanding what is going on. I have not discovered new information. This information was always there, but the "researcher" who first wrote about the link had this completely wrong. My post is about going back to the old original sources and setting the record straight.
In the Silsby case, she started plans to create an orphanage with her church in late 2009. Then the Earthquake hit and they speeded up their plans. This document was put on her Church's website because she was asking for volunteers to go to Haiti. Here's what Wikipedia says about it
happyhappy ago
What? Oh never mind, you don't know what I'm talking about. We can't communicate between us for some reason. I need someone that understands me so I can learn. Im here to learn. I like research. Do you have simple not wordy proven research? If you don't that's ok but I'd rather spend time with people who give proven nutshells that pg can use. You told me there is something wrong with the Wikileaks emails, that's huge, now were is the proof? When I ask you you just walk away. I think you really do have something else going on here like others say you do, not to be trusted is what they say. If you really have evidence let's see it.... it's not to late to redeem yourself with me because we are all learning. What you say? Are you walking away? If you are I'm blocking you because your a nothing burger. That's how true, usable pg info roles. When I told you about the shooter it WAS JUST info I was sharing with you about people not paying attention to researched facts, that's the ONLY reason I clicked on your submission. I thought you were going to really show me something. Now you say What does the pizzagate shooter have to do with your research? If you don't see the connections and all the pointing out that I do for you to recognize a pattern in people behavior the pg nutshells will really be hard for you.. and I don't have time to help you. I have a learning disability also, that is if your Not playing the dumb blonde. Sorry, I can't teach you how to follow clues if your disabled and can't. But through my post I feel that I have really tried to include you because I saw how much you get attacked. If you walk away you either have problems or a shill. Either way, I wash my hands and will tell others your posts are not true and to ignore you because I looked down your rabbit hole and what you claim to have found was not in there. Pg people are sick to death of the wordy and waste important time tactic. Yes, we are aware of control tactics, so I never fall for the dumb blonde routine. Plz reply. It can only be a one word reply if you want. Say no to empty rabbit holes.
RweSure ago
What are you talking about "I just walk away?" I've replied to each of your comments.
Let me see if I can break this down for you.
I didn't claim there's problems with ALL the Wikileaks emails.
I claimed this document is not an email https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/3776
It's wrongly listed in their system as an email and it has the date wrong.
The proof is two fold.
The document was obviously written after the Haitian earthquake in January 2010. So the wikileaks date of 2001 must be wrong.
We know where this document came from. It was a document that was available on Laura Silsby's church website. Wikipedia identifies this as the mission state of the Silsby's group, the "New Life Children’s Refuge. And links to Eastside Baptist Church in Twin Falls, Idaho.
is http://www.esbctwinfalls.com/clientimages/24453/pdffiles/haiti/nlcrhaitianorphanrescuemission.pdf
This PDF file, nlcrhaitianorphanrescuemission.pdf, is the file wrongly listed as an email in the Wikileaks system. It was an attachment to an email forwarded to Hillary Clinton.
In this email https://www.wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/3765 you can see the PDF listed as an attachment
In the email that Cheryl Mills is fowarding, we are told how this document was found
So yes, my claim is proven research using the original source documents.
happyhappy ago
I would love for you to post about the dates. I could post alittle something to help credit you. I could say, I went down this VERY SHORT rabbit hole and I found it to be true. Plz reply.
happyhappy ago
The date DOESnt support the year of the earthquake that's for sure, I also looked at the original PDF file and the date of that attachment is 2015 and SENT from the state department to Hrc. The date is a major clue something is a miss here. The ATTACHMENT IS about an OPERATION to help the Orphans After the hurricane in 2010. .let me get this straight and tell me if I'm still not seeing it. The Hillary wiki email is DATED 2001...the attachment in that email was sent from the state department to supposed Hillary and the date on the attachment is 2015... the attachment was A Point by Point instruction for what Silsby was supposed to do in Haiti at a hurricane that happened in 2010. Question How can a 2015 original attachmuent be sent as a 2001 email about an operation that was performed in 2010?? ENTER Imran Awan!,,,,,,,, Imran Awan was able to change the dates IN the private server!!!! is huge info, The dates in the instructions have to be compared with the actual dates of the actual hurricane event of that Year in 2010, then we can see what the actual date this operation really happened to be proof sure the instructions are REAL.. I might tell myself that the first date in the wiki part email that a person would read first IS a fake date, so a person won't open the attachment. But the person who knows the signal, like a very old rediculas date signal, WOULD know to open it. When a person opens up this email and reads downward, because that's how we read right, the first thing they are going to see is a very, very OLD date.......I ask myself, Why is this OLD email in here?...... I might dismiss it as a butt call, someone accidentally pushed the wrong email and sent it. That's what I would do, what would you do in the similar instance? I wouldn't even read it and for sure I wouldn't read the email attachment. I would dismiss it and get back to my job working. somebody is changing the dates of the email, and it has to be done through a custom set up, IMRAN aWAN, through a different system ,like one that the government is screaming about, the private email,server. DATES CANNOT BE CHANGED by someone who is sending an email through a server. The date is AUTO generated by the server and you CANT get around it, it will always be there. All the mAJOR hidden info is in the attachments under the emails that have super old years " date stamped" on them. A whole new world just opened up for wiki researchers.. I think this IS real because of the highly accurate instructions given to Silsby !! It was supposed to be found at Silsby church Website because it would be found QUICKLY by pg people. It could have taken years to find just looking through Hilary's emails. It ALSO was discovered by BILL from the state department. Pg was supposed to find it and expose it. And they did!!!! Good job, wow! Did it take me long enough to see it? Ha sorry, I also want to apologize about the walk away comment I made if you will accept it. Thanks for helping my stiff neck turn to look and you never gave up on me. Thx. Can't wait to hear what you think.
RweSure ago
2015 is the date the document was released by the state department. The original email it was attached to was from late January 2010.
It was attached to an email in this thread
https://www.wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/3765 2010-01-30 is the date of that email thread
sunajAeon ago
You better have rock solid evidence for your thesis on this one-I'm still sifting through the info, but the Silsby connection with the Clintons has been well established (even if it was amiss they are completely guilty of all crimes of rape, torture, murder, etc.)-if this is a diversion people are going to be coming after you with rakes and hoes and scythes and a dull spoon to yank your balls off...
RweSure ago
Well established? I would argue that it has been mistakenly established.
And yes, my evidence is rock solid.
Yeah, I'm betting the evidence for this is somewhere south of rock solid.
darkknight111 ago
LMAO. That last one can be arranged if we find out who this shill truly is. ;)
DeathTooMasons ago
Nice try! Trollol! Downvoat. This is your contribution? Of course it is.
10464172? ago
ok so why did they intervene tho
darkknight111 ago
Thread is bogus. Nothing more than an elaborately disguised "Devil's Proof" logic fallacy disguised as evidence.
Also, Happyhappy just proved you wrong. Only high level government connections could have gotten that result.
happyhappy ago
All very interesting and well prepared but the proof of Silsby arrested and jailed for having "known" NON orphans in actual transportation out of the country busted your case. Silsby now is a chief director of Amber Alert after being busted AND CONVICTED in Haiti? You have to have serious pull with in the government to be approved for that high paying position of authority, those jobs are impossible to get!!!. Here is more evidence of wikileak proof of connection to Silsby. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Life_Children%27s_Refuge_case Laura silsby was CONVICTED in Haiti but she served no time. Toothless courts are powerless below Hillaries connections alot of the time. I think your time is better spent else where because this is full of holes, sorry, just sayin...:) keep on a keepin on, dust yourself off! Your report SHOWS you care and are trying.
Are_we__sure ago
in what way? My case is that Clinton did not know who this woman is until she was arrested and she came to the attention of the Consular Services section of the State Department.
There's a couple things wrong here. One is factual, Silsby is not chief director of Amber Alert. She worked in marketing, She was VP. The other is logical. This is what lawyers call "assuming facts not in evidence."
Other logical problems. A. This is not demonstrating any connection to Hillary Clinton.
B. If she needed "pull" to get her job, that could come in various ways. The Presidents of the Baptists were heavily involved in her case and petitioned Obama on her behalf. C. AlertSense is a private company and can hire who they want and tons of private companies hire people with police records.
You didn't read my post clearly. I go into great detail about that document and show exactly where that document came from and what it is. Why are citing it? Why do you think it helps your case?
This is false. She was convicted of a charge with a possible term of 6 months. By the time of her conviction she had already served over three months in jail. She was sentenced to time served.
Again, this is an assumption without evidence and my case is not full of holes. I don't think you read all of my post. My conclusion still stands It is now proven that no evidence exists for this claim: Clinton knew Silsby for a long time
@pungent
Consular services is available to every American travelling overseas including those who get arrested. You can see this page for what the State Department can do you for you and what they won't do for you. https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/emergencies/arrest.html
@darkknight111
I contend the pizzagate community has zero real interest in combating human trafficking. They would much rather look for any evidence to prop up their "New World Order Elite Cannibal Pedophiles Rule the World" conspiracy shilling. Look at how many times they are disappointed when a child trafficking is taken down, because they don't recognize the name. They could be taking their energy and making a difference, but they would rather be claiming that every entity that actually deals with child trafficking where they could volunteer their effort and their time is suspect in some way. It's basically the equivalent of that guy on here who burst screaming into a Catholic church during Midnight Mass. It didn't accomplish anything but feed his ego.
I had never heard it called this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probatio_diabolica Probatio diabolica (Latin: "devil's proof", "diabolical proof") is a legal requirement to achieve an impossible proof.
I don't think this fits the situation whatsoever. My debunking of this statement "Hillary has a LONG history of interest in Ms. Silsby" is actually PROPERLY resetting the burden of proof. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I just showed that the evidence for this claim is false. Absent other evidence, this claim is debunked. There's zero evidence of any relationship between Clinton and Silsby. I further claim there is zero evidence that anyone in Washington DC knew about this Baptist from a small town in Idaho.
darkknight111 ago
His post shows he has no interest in busting human trafficking. Only in defending leftist elites.
He's a known shill and therefore has evil intent.
He has never posted anything to help expose and bust pedophiles or human trafficking. Only to deflect for them.
When dealing with shills you have to assume that they're bad people.
darkknight111 ago
OP is a known shill with the agenda of "Defend Lefitst Elites and Pedophiles". Therefore this thread is BS. Requesting a "disinformation" and/or "debunked" @vindicator @Millennial_Falcon
You never answered why you have the need to have 3+ accounts. Honest users have no need for that many. Only shills do that. If you are truly honest, then you will delete all but one of your accounts.
You always run everytime you get grilled on the Clinton Foundation's known financial involvement in the "White Phosphorous Incident". Running away when pressed is a sure sign of a shill.
You also run when pressed about those differences between a Charity Audit and a Financial Audit DarkMath kept bringing up.
Downvoat just for being a shill. Okay guys, you know what arrow to push in order to silence shills.
sunajAeon ago
How can anyone be allowed 3 accounts on Voat w/o being banned? That is DEFINITELY a RED FLAG along with the post being fantastik
Are_we__sure ago
Well you have the chance to debunk the shill if you're brave enough to take it.
This is a well researched piece that changes in a major way the theory of pizzagate. If it is wrong, please post your evidence.
DeathTooMasons ago
She kdinapped ahem...33 children. Clintons got her out. She got hired by Alert sense and changed her name. You are pathetic and not effective at what you attempt to accomplish. Do by chance know Montagraph? Another pedo personality parading as a researcher.
RweSure ago
The Clintons did not get her out. She went to trial and was convicted. The original kidnapping charges were dropped but that was a decision of the Haitian courts. They probably would not have been able to get a conviction for kidnapping because she didn't just snatch the children, but spoke to their parents and got permission.
This has nothing to do with what the what I set out to prove here. You are misreading some defense of Silsby above. It's not there. This is what I set out to prove.
darkknight111 ago
Stop running and answer those questions that you always run from.
You just openly admitted to being a shill in that post.
Are_we__sure ago
Can't do it? I thought so.
darkknight111 ago
Still refuse to answer those questions? Thought so. I'm not going to stop pressing you until you come clean on all three questions, which is what my comment is about in the first place.
It should be obvious with a known liar and corrupt politician like Hillary that you never take what they say at face value. You always read between the lines of what they say.
These claims still do nothing to disprove the Clinton Foundation's involvement in Haiti.
Are_we__sure ago
Your comment is a big pile of Whatabboutism?
Which anyone with half a brain would grasp immediately because that's not what I'm addressing.
Commoner ago
Two excerpts from the Clinton email show that they were not concerned so much with the American citizens as they were with "where the heck are the children we wanted to kidnap?" You would think that one of the first bits of information they would find out is about the children, or they would have said 'we assume the children are in good care of the Haitian authorities who stopped them at the airport. No?
AND...
AND, I just realized that the kidnappers were from IDAHO which is where the Truck Driver/Reserve Policeman who was in the UTAH truck crash was from. Might there be a connection?
10461673? ago
Laura Silsby Gayner lives in Idaho along with her church buddies.
Very Good Info. Here:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2031390
10461531? ago
https://citizeninvestigators.org/silsby-alefantis-infographic-from-throwaway32123/2017/0129/
Note this Post by RweSure from 30 days ago.
Responding comments included.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2058303
Infographic explaining links: https://i.imgbox.com/1RDuQKtt.pngđź’°
RweSure ago
Hi, those pictures are not really helpful and also I'm disputing the theory of the connections All that image is going to do is reiterate the theory I've just poked holes in using original sources. If there a part you want to direct me to do, please write it up.
Let me put this plainly. There's no evidence to support Jorge Puello's claim that an orphanage called Friends of the Orphans collapsed and that is where Silsby got her children.
10462040? ago
We have evidence on this. But not from Puello's crooked mouth.
Commoner ago
How did Silsby get a job with Amber Alert after being arrested for kidnapping kids?
Are_we_sure ago
I have no idea. And it doesn't affect what I just showed: It is now proven that no evidence exists for this claim: Clinton knew Silsby for a long time.
DeathTooMasons ago
They didn't have to know her. It makes it worse if they didn't know her, but were being kept abrest about her activity and got her out when she was arrested. Think about it. They help a total stranger traficker for what reason? Worse than if she was a friend. This thread is an epic fail.
RweSure ago
This is completely false. They were notified that 10 American Baptists Missionaries were arrested and for this reason the State Department got involved. And it doesn't matter what the charge is. The State Department also kept track of Amanda Knox in Italy when she was charged and then convicted (falsely) of the greater crime of murder. This is why the 10 AMCIT email is so important. AMCIT is American Citizens and that is why the State Department and Hillary Clinton became involved. Because it was their job. Consular services are available for every American Citizen abroad.
They DID NOT get her out. That is false. Silsby went to trial and was convicted.
10461996? ago
OP @RweSure has identical thread with this title running in pizzagate.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2122947
Are_we_sure ago
It was too much text for one post, so I created two separate threads. There's two different claims I debunked.
Clinton knew of Silsby before her arrest
and the second Claim
You can connect Alefantis to Silsby
EDIT: Here is info about the claim that Bill Clinton intervened.
Yes, I believe that Shani M. King is completely wrong here. First of all, he doesn't work at Harvard. His paper makes clear he is an Associate Professor of Law University of Florida's Levin College of Law or the 41st best Law School in the country. https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings/page+2
And it's clear that King did not do original research on Clinton in Haiti, because that is not the point of his paper. You should follow his footnotes and find the original sources. He relies on a single news story.
He also makes a factual claim that is not at all supported by his footnotes. He claimed that Bill Clinton was negotiating with Haiti for a month. He claims this AP news report backs him up, but it doesn't mention Clinton whatsoever. http://www.cleveland.com/world/index.ssf/2010/03/haiti_frees_1_us_missionary_bu.html
In reality, Clinton left Haiti after a few days and in fact was hospitalized in NYC during that time. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bill-clinton-hospitalized-in-new-york-city/
The original news report is wrong and here's why I believe that.
It's based on a single report in the UK press https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/clinton-brokers-deal-over-haiti-orphan-abductions-v63ld395r7b
No other news reports have this. The UK press didn't claim this is a secret effort on behalf of Bill Clinton. An actual diplomatic intervention would have been reported by multiple sites if it actually happened. Haitian newspapers would have been all over this. The international press would be all over this.
The paper that reported it never followed up on it at all. So the original report had no confirmation and zero follow through.
The Clinton quotes they used were reported by other outlets 2 days before. Clinton openly spoke to reporters about what the US and Haitian governments should do. He never claimed anything first hand or that he was working on a deal and not a single other source claimed he was intervening in any way. In fact, in CNN's report on it, Bill Clinton doesn't even appear until 22 paragraphs in. http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/05/haiti.arrests/index.html
There was no press conference about having a reached a deal. Again this was not reported to be a secret deal.
Bill Clinton left Haiti with all the Baptists were in jail.
The Obama adminstration and the State Department were being criticized in the conservative press and by Baptist leaders FOR NOT INTERVENING. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/08/free-the-baptist-10-in-haiti/
Even with this the State Department went out of its way to say it was not intervening and Secretary Clinton would not be getting involved at all.
At the time, no other media even did a story following up on the The Times's report. This happens all the time when papers confirm another a paper's reporting. They do not do a followup story when their sources cannot confirm this. And reporters from around the world were on this story for months.
Nothing in the 7 plus years since the Haitian earthquake suggests this was true and the Clintons, of course came under intense scrutiny during this time. Haiti's AP reporter who worked this story stayed in Haiti for years writing a book and never had anything on this.
In short, there's nothing at all to suggest the Times got their story right. And there's a lot to suggest they got their story wrong, including the fact that they never even followed up on their story. The writer of the Paper relied on them and did not do original research/reporting into this.
10462090? ago
Thank you for the clarification. Thinking I should leave my comment up to assist others with your responding explanation.
10461970? ago
Laura Silsby Gayner was wiped from way back machine
and wiped from AlertSense Website around 3 months ago.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2028612
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