I posted this info previously, but my evidence was not seriously engaged.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2058303
Two Claims made by pizzagate investigators are that Clinton knew Silsby for a long time and that there is a connection between Alefantis and Silsby. I can prove that both of these are false.
Claim 1: Clinton knew Silsby for a long time
At the start of pizzagate this post on Reddit was considered to be a key piece of evidence.
I believe I have connected a convicted child abductor who was caught stealing children in Haiti with the Clintons
https://archive.is/6lveq#selection-1119.458-1119.635
This post is false. This claim is specifically false.
Hillary has a LONG history of interest in Ms. Silsby. Wikileak emails dating back till at least 2001 have been found in her archives discussing Laura's NGO.
He uses this document from Wikileaks to support his claim.
However, if you know what that document is and how it got in Hillary's emails it shows the opposite of what he claims. The truth is:
It absolutely false that Hillary has a LONG history of interest in Silsby.
It is absolutely false this document is an email.
It is absolutely false this document dates back to 2001.
There are multiple sources of evidence that prove conclusively this document is from 2010 and not 2001.
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Wikileaks doesn't have Clinton's emails from 2001.
She became Secretary of State in 2009 and that is when she started using her clintonemail.com account.
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The document is Silsby plan about what to do when she gets to Haiti and and it clearly was written after the massive earthquake on January 12, 2010 which she mentions ...."the catastrophic earthquake** this past week.**
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If you go to the original source of this document you see it's not an email and that Wikileaks has this wrong in their system and they clearly have the date wrong, they also have this as "an email" but with no sender and no recipient.
From:
To:
Date: 2001-01-01 03:00 AM
This is a mistake in the Wikileaks system and possibly in the State Department FOIA site, but once you read the document, it's clearly from 2010.
We CAN identify exactly how this document got in HIllary Clinton's emails and it does not prove a longstanding connection. In fact, it proves no on in the State Department knew who Laura Silsby was before her arrest. This document is a PDF attachment to an email and it was downloaded AFTER Silsby's group was arrested.
The email thread that has that attachment is from Cheryl Mills has the subject 10 AmCits arrested with 33 children, headed to DR. Now under arrest in Port au Prince
https://www.wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/3765
From: Mills, Cheryl D MillsCD@state.gov
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:39 PM
To:
Subject: Fw: 10 AmCits arrested with 33 children, headed to DR. Now under arrest in Port au
Prince
Attachments: nIcrhaitianorphanrescuemission.pdf
There's a couple of other things hugely important in that email thread. One is this whole thing is not coming from Clinton. It's coming from Consular Affairs in Haiti and goes up the chain. Consular Affairs is part of the State Department's mission. It involves helping Americans arrested overseas.
Arrest or Detention of a U.S. Citizen Abroad
**One of the highest priorities of the Department of State and U.S. embassies and consulates abroad is to provide assistance to U.S. citizens incarcerated abroad. **The Department of State is committed to ensuring fair and humane treatment for U.S. citizens imprisoned overseas. We stand ready to assist incarcerated citizens and their families within the limits of our authority in accordance with international law, domestic and foreign law.
The second hugely important thing to note is nobody at the State Department knows who these people are. They are identified at 10 AMCIT or American Citizens. The way the guy found the PDF that he attached to the email is by googling the name of the group arrested in Haiti. You can go to the State Department's website and read all the emails chronologically and see Silsby and these other Baptists were unknowns. In fact, there's no evidence whatsoever that Hillary Clinton or anyone else in Washington DC, had any idea at all about who Laura Silsby and this group of Baptists from Idaho were before they got arrested in Haiti and that includes Alefantis and MacComby.
So YES, there is a lot of State Department Activity involved Laura Silsby's group and the State Department going up to the Secretary's level. But that is not because it was Laura Silsby. It was because a bunch of American's were arrested in Haiti, Baptist Missionaries at that, and assisting Americans arrested abroad is one of the core mission of the State Department. The reason it reached the Secretary's level is because this was an international incident. It made headlines around the world. Silsby was denounced at the highest levels of the Haitian government including by the Prime Minister. Baptist leaders were pleading with President Obama to get involved. The reason there is any connection between Clinton and Silsby is simply that Clinton was Secretary of State at the time of Silsby's arrest and it was part of her job. There was no preexisting relationship. Read that first email thread to see this
https://www.wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/3765
The chain is
1. Consular Affairs in Haiti emails other State Department officials about a phone call saying that "10 Amcits from Idaho" were arrested.
2 Then Michelle T Bond who was the deputy assistant secretary of state for overseas citizens services forwards the first email to Cheryl Mills and others. She still doesn't know the name of the people involved, but she knows the name of the group
The group is called the New Life Children Refuge America Organization (NLCR). Bill Bistransky found the attached "Plan
of Action"(P0A) on their web site when he googled that name.
3. Cheryl Mills forwards this to Clinton. She just says "Heads up - will forward more as known"
Silsby is not mentioned in these emails. There's no indication at all that Silsby is the leader of these team. She is named in the PDF attachment which just says
Haiti Team: Laura Silsby, Charisa Coulter, Carla Thompson, Nicole & Corrinna Lankford
The next email that mentions them is just called Update on Arrestees and includes no names again, but mentions they are from Meriden, Idaho
https://www.wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/3752
It is now proven that no evidence exists for this claim: Clinton knew Silsby for a long time
I will take up claim two in another thread.
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happyhappy ago
You read my post wrong. I said Silsby is A chief officer. Why was Silsby free to go home and have a good life? Sec of state is involved with consulates hence Benghazi. My case is rested. I feel like I'm spinning around in a jacuzzi. :) your case is spinning in the mud an d it sounds like a tactic of the "stall and stall and stall" there are way to many good people here that your not going to confuse and your getting the " nothing to see here folks" signal from them. It's been entertaining though.
RweSure ago
OK. When I saw "Chief" I was thinking Chief Exexcutive Officer or Chief Operating Officer, the very top executive level. I agree that she was part of managment, just not the very top.
This a question for the Haitian courts. On a technical level, she was free to go home because she served her prison sentence. She was facing up to 6 months and was sentenced to the 3 months + she served. She was free to go home because her prison time was over.
I have no idea what you are trying to say here. But no one at the State Department including Hillary Clinton knew who Laura Silsby was when a call came into the Embassy Duty Officer in Haiti. The Embassy Duty Officer is literally that person that needs to be available to answer phone calls in the middle of the night. The Embassy Duty Officer than began passing the info up the chain about the 10 American Citizens arrested and every person on those emails thread got involved with Silsby and her group because it was their job and this is true of Secretary Clinton as well.
If that is the whole of your case, then my point still stands It is now proven that no evidence exists for this claim: Clinton knew Silsby for a long time.
happyhappy ago
Sec of state, in the Huma emails, shows proof that Hillary was keeping up with this org that Silsby was running BEFORE Silsby got busted. Huma was Hillarys executive assisstant. She is the controller of the info that goes to Hillary. The weeder. Was Huma the operator? Are you saying THIS is fake? https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/3776 It looks original to me but hey why would anyone make it look unreal. haha. What are your thoughts? Do you know that the pizzagate shooter court documents online show that he was found guilty and he was sentenced. When that happened the internet went crazy with posts that the pizzagate shooter was found guilty and is going to prison for 5 years. Wow that played everyday for a fortnight. I have a family member that is in prison right now. I have seen many sentencing court documents about sentencing. I know what they look like. Anyway, If you look on the sentencing doc you will see that an couple of Army men, perhaps Army lawyers most likely, took him from the court house, end of story. Now its known that jailers take the criminals away to the big house, right after not even 10 minutes after the sentencing hearing is over, that is procedure of the courts when they sentence someone to prison. They dont send them away with the Army. Nobody reported on that. I tried to correct people but no go. You can point a camel to water but you cant make him drink.. Tell me what you think about that wikileak email I sent ya. Thx, see ya. Thanks for writing back. I will go down the rabbit hole leading to a fake Wikileak email, thats worth it to me. I guess I didnt rest my case :).
RweSure ago
Hi. Please reread my post and follow my links. My post is ALL about that document. That is a PDF document found on the website of Silsby's church in Idaho. It was downloaded after Silsby's arrest when they googled the name of her group. Look in my original post for this part.
Your other bit about the pizzagate shooter doesn't apply to my claim.
happyhappy ago
PDF on Silsby church site? yes, I will definitely check out the church site because that's a great lead. It appears that the church's these people are hiding behind Christian and Beth el Synagogues are involved because they keep popping up. Bill Bistransky info is a lead as well, thx. My question to you is Why would they do that? Silsby KNEW that the pg community would look at their site with a magnifier, and that PDF would be found. Do you think they were redirecting pg traffic to thier info that SHOWS an INVENTED proof ? That's the idea I'm getting. If some how you could provide links I will examine them and tell you what I think. Also the number and link to Wikipedia email cache. Either way, I think you have something and would be a killer post. You may have just discovered Silsby floating fake evidence that has her church involved. It could show that Silsby KNOWS what she IS doing and is guilty for trying to molest and obstructing the pg investigation. Wow, This could be huge info and it would stand up in court. What you need is the doc from her site AND if there is one, the doc from Wikileaks. That would prove your case. Where can I get direct info on this Bill guy? Will you send me that too? I will reread your post.
RweSure ago
The document is no longer on the website. It was taken down sometime after the Wikileaks page on this was created. It was problem taken down years before anybody heard about pizzagate. So this is not invented proof.
This is just a guy who works at the State Department.
You are completely misunderstanding what is going on. I have not discovered new information. This information was always there, but the "researcher" who first wrote about the link had this completely wrong. My post is about going back to the old original sources and setting the record straight.
In the Silsby case, she started plans to create an orphanage with her church in late 2009. Then the Earthquake hit and they speeded up their plans. This document was put on her Church's website because she was asking for volunteers to go to Haiti. Here's what Wikipedia says about it