*** Our usual sticky, the Executive Summary of Pizzagate Evidence, can be found in the sidebar and here. ***
There's been a great discussion over the past few weeks in v/pizzagatewhatever about what users would like to change in order to improve the functioning of this subverse, so we'd like to take an official poll to gauge sentiment. I will describe details here, and list individual proposals separately in the Comments below; please upvoat or downvoat each of them and/or leave a subcomment to voice your opinion on the matter.
Item #1: Should we turn on the 100 CCP Downvoat setting (Doesn't prevent shitposts; Removes us from being visible outside this sub)
The primary concern discussed is cutting down the number of shill and troll posts by limiting downvoats to those who have 100 Comment Contribution Points. Please be aware there was quite a bit of misinformation contained in that discussion. Here are the facts:
Kevdude explained to me how CCP works:
CCP are points we get for comments. The middle number at the top is your sitewide ccp. Once that hit 100 you can downvote. You can not downvote anywhere if you are under 100.
In the sidebar there is the minimum ccp to dv in a sub. That refers to your in-sub ccp which is ccp you generate on the comments you make in that sub. (which is why under that you see "your ccp for this sub"). That does not mean new users with 0 ccp can downvote. It just means tgat you don't have to generate points in the sub to dv there. If you raise the sub minimum 2 things happen. Users can no longer generate ccp for the sub and the sub is blocked from v/all.
@VieBleu characterized the 100 CCP limit to downvoat as a "figleaf" and implied it limits people's ability to submit material. The first point is accurate, the second is not.
To clarify: turning on this setting has NO IMPACT on the ability to submit or comment. It's main effect is to prevent our material from being seen outside this subverse (something many shills and several pedos who frequent this board would love to have happen!) and stop each of us from accruing Comment Contribution Points for our comments within this subverse. This could have the unintended effect of severely limiting those who primarily contribute to v/pizzagate! CCP is an important buffer -- if people downvoat your comments into the negatives, you lose the ability to comment. Organized downvoat brigades can effectively silence those with low CCP. Currently, SCP -- submission contribution points -- have no effect on the ability of your account to take action on Voat (other than demonstrating you are an actual contributor).
Based on this, I believe turning on the 100 CCP downvoat minimum would unnecessarily empower the shills and trolls -- the exact opposite of the intended effect, which is why @Crensch @Kevdude @VictorSteinerDavion and others who have been pinged about this have said no. However, because users have requested it, I am going to include it in this poll as item number one. Please make an informed vote.
Proposal #2: Turn on the "Only allow submissions from authorized users" feature & Authorize users who introduce themselves in new sister-sub
In the thread mentioned above, user @GoodGodKirk suggested we create a Pizzagate Introductions sister-sub, and close submissions to those who have not introduced themselves. I believe that would be FAR more effective and have less negative consequences for legit users than turning on the 100 CCP Downvoat option. However, it would require we stop allowing submissions from everyone until they make a post in the new subverse. The downside to this is that it would radically downthrottle content in the short term. This is a huge change and would need a demonstration of major support from the community, but could be a very interesting experiment! Please vote and comment below.
Include any thoughts you may have about how to get the most out of an intros sister-sub to hinder shills and support legit Pizzagoats. For example, before approving submitters, we could require they subscribe to all five (now six) sister subs -- so that stuff from v/pizzagatewhatever ends up on their front page and people aren't so reluctant to post speculative or unsourced stuff there.
Proposal #3: Change mods/owners (various ideas)
In VieBleu's threads, various ideas and proposals were put forward, including adding me as an O. I have mixed feelings about that and feel really weird putting it in a sticky. I am including it, though, because I said I would do this sticky based on what was discussed. Two new facts have come to light however since that thread that may make this a moot point:
Proposal #4: Revisit what is and isn't Rule 1 compliant (directly related to Pizzagate)
This topic has caused massive frustration for users and mods, and will require it's own sticky, as there are a number of issues and this could dramatically shift what is allowed to remain on the board. For now, please voat about whether we should discuss this, and leave a comment about why stuff that's removed now should be included, or why not, so those thoughts can be included in a future sticky.
Proposal #5: Hide the "Share a Link" button
The low effort required to post in v/pizzagate via Share a Link, as well as the inability to edit post headlines (Link posts are ONLY headlines) to satisfy the rest of the submission rules make this idea very attractive to mods. We have to take down numerous otherwise legit posts because people don't take the time to write a clear, accurate headline that explains how the link they are sharing is directly related to Pizzagate. We can't remove the functionality, but we can hide the button. This would go a long way toward reducing unnecessary post removals on technicalities.
Those are the five main proposals as I saw it. If I've missed any, please include them in the Comments below. Give them a headline like I have done (put a "#" with no space at the beginning of the headline, and a double carriage return after, some text describing why you think the change should be made, and ask people to vote on it.)
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4_InquiringMinds ago
There are forums that require members to be respectful of each other. It's not about 'ma free speech' it's about showing respect. The name calling that devolves into such childish spewing of the worst terms ppl can think to call each other not only furthers division (a cabal goal) but gives the appearance of being no more than the moronic groups fighting in the streets. Brutish behavior should have no place on a forum that is supposed to be dedicated to saving the children. It is after all about them/not who can have the foulest mouth, rack up the most downvotes (for some this is a goal) and generally create discord among ppl that are supposed to be dedicated to a higher ideal. The name calling devolves into predictable daily dramas, energy is wasted in acting blatantly stupid, ppl leave in a huff and come back. And we talk about the school play 'out there' ?????
SecondAmendment ago
Wow, @Vindicator, thank you for taking time to post this and especially for differentiating and explaining proposal #1 and proposal #2.
I agree with @4_InquiringMinds, above, and I apologize to all y'all who've read my steady stream of "EFF YOU. DONKEYHOTE" posts. I am sorry that I let myself stoop close to the subterranean level in which that jerk resides. I absolutely despise that guy, in all his many forms, and I wish there was a way to stop him.
I am someone who almost never cusses in real life, but seeing his anti-Semitic garbage just disgusts me. I'm not even Jewish. Nope. But I get so sick and tired of this B.S. that I lash out.
Proposal #2 is great on several levels. I did not realize there are so many subs connected until just reading this thread! I think subscribing to all of them would be "win-win" for all of us.
I'll respond to the rest of the options after I have some coffee.....
4_InquiringMinds ago
@SecondAmendment
Don't beat yourself up lol...he is doing what a good troll does, find the appropriate bait then flame. At one point in internet noob land looked up definitions of trolls and shills. Gave me good insight in how they operate. My latest learning was 'concerned trolls'...bc ha, I tend to think ppl are really concerned/an affliction for those of us that think in normal 'good people' terms.
Consider that there is a large budget for propaganda...droves of paid trolls and shills/and that naturally with this kind of subject matter we would be infested with them. Some are disguised as regular members, others come in to fan the flames.
There is and it's easy. If there is a forum rule that members have to be respectful and courteous to each other then the donks can't get started/they will be cut off at the pass. That should eliminate a lot of troll/shill traffic/not all but ALOT.
turitelle ago
I agree with the OP about this. There are a few shills who are only here to make disgusting comments and stir things up. They make the forum look bad and people who are stopping by to find information on pizzagate leave because they think we're a bunch of creeps ourselves. Its deliberate.
What's the reasoning for allowing them to continue?