*** Our usual sticky, the Executive Summary of Pizzagate Evidence, can be found in the sidebar and here. ***
There's been a great discussion over the past few weeks in v/pizzagatewhatever about what users would like to change in order to improve the functioning of this subverse, so we'd like to take an official poll to gauge sentiment. I will describe details here, and list individual proposals separately in the Comments below; please upvoat or downvoat each of them and/or leave a subcomment to voice your opinion on the matter.
Item #1: Should we turn on the 100 CCP Downvoat setting (Doesn't prevent shitposts; Removes us from being visible outside this sub)
The primary concern discussed is cutting down the number of shill and troll posts by limiting downvoats to those who have 100 Comment Contribution Points. Please be aware there was quite a bit of misinformation contained in that discussion. Here are the facts:
Kevdude explained to me how CCP works:
CCP are points we get for comments. The middle number at the top is your sitewide ccp. Once that hit 100 you can downvote. You can not downvote anywhere if you are under 100.
In the sidebar there is the minimum ccp to dv in a sub. That refers to your in-sub ccp which is ccp you generate on the comments you make in that sub. (which is why under that you see "your ccp for this sub"). That does not mean new users with 0 ccp can downvote. It just means tgat you don't have to generate points in the sub to dv there. If you raise the sub minimum 2 things happen. Users can no longer generate ccp for the sub and the sub is blocked from v/all.
@VieBleu characterized the 100 CCP limit to downvoat as a "figleaf" and implied it limits people's ability to submit material. The first point is accurate, the second is not.
To clarify: turning on this setting has NO IMPACT on the ability to submit or comment. It's main effect is to prevent our material from being seen outside this subverse (something many shills and several pedos who frequent this board would love to have happen!) and stop each of us from accruing Comment Contribution Points for our comments within this subverse. This could have the unintended effect of severely limiting those who primarily contribute to v/pizzagate! CCP is an important buffer -- if people downvoat your comments into the negatives, you lose the ability to comment. Organized downvoat brigades can effectively silence those with low CCP. Currently, SCP -- submission contribution points -- have no effect on the ability of your account to take action on Voat (other than demonstrating you are an actual contributor).
Based on this, I believe turning on the 100 CCP downvoat minimum would unnecessarily empower the shills and trolls -- the exact opposite of the intended effect, which is why @Crensch @Kevdude @VictorSteinerDavion and others who have been pinged about this have said no. However, because users have requested it, I am going to include it in this poll as item number one. Please make an informed vote.
Proposal #2: Turn on the "Only allow submissions from authorized users" feature & Authorize users who introduce themselves in new sister-sub
In the thread mentioned above, user @GoodGodKirk suggested we create a Pizzagate Introductions sister-sub, and close submissions to those who have not introduced themselves. I believe that would be FAR more effective and have less negative consequences for legit users than turning on the 100 CCP Downvoat option. However, it would require we stop allowing submissions from everyone until they make a post in the new subverse. The downside to this is that it would radically downthrottle content in the short term. This is a huge change and would need a demonstration of major support from the community, but could be a very interesting experiment! Please vote and comment below.
Include any thoughts you may have about how to get the most out of an intros sister-sub to hinder shills and support legit Pizzagoats. For example, before approving submitters, we could require they subscribe to all five (now six) sister subs -- so that stuff from v/pizzagatewhatever ends up on their front page and people aren't so reluctant to post speculative or unsourced stuff there.
Proposal #3: Change mods/owners (various ideas)
In VieBleu's threads, various ideas and proposals were put forward, including adding me as an O. I have mixed feelings about that and feel really weird putting it in a sticky. I am including it, though, because I said I would do this sticky based on what was discussed. Two new facts have come to light however since that thread that may make this a moot point:
Proposal #4: Revisit what is and isn't Rule 1 compliant (directly related to Pizzagate)
This topic has caused massive frustration for users and mods, and will require it's own sticky, as there are a number of issues and this could dramatically shift what is allowed to remain on the board. For now, please voat about whether we should discuss this, and leave a comment about why stuff that's removed now should be included, or why not, so those thoughts can be included in a future sticky.
Proposal #5: Hide the "Share a Link" button
The low effort required to post in v/pizzagate via Share a Link, as well as the inability to edit post headlines (Link posts are ONLY headlines) to satisfy the rest of the submission rules make this idea very attractive to mods. We have to take down numerous otherwise legit posts because people don't take the time to write a clear, accurate headline that explains how the link they are sharing is directly related to Pizzagate. We can't remove the functionality, but we can hide the button. This would go a long way toward reducing unnecessary post removals on technicalities.
Those are the five main proposals as I saw it. If I've missed any, please include them in the Comments below. Give them a headline like I have done (put a "#" with no space at the beginning of the headline, and a double carriage return after, some text describing why you think the change should be made, and ask people to vote on it.)
Edit: formatting
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Vindicator ago
Proposal #4: Revisit what is and isn't Rule 1 compliant (directly related to Pizzagate)
Please vote and comment on having a more detailed discussion of this via a separate sticky
Honeybee_ ago
Definitely should revisit this, I believe it is frustrating to voaters that are just coming on board that want to participate in the discussion because they DO BELIEVE pizzagate is real and also that it is very much apart of PEDOGATE. My suggestion was to possibly utilize the v/pedogate subverse and make it just as popular and challenging as v/pizzagate. I'm personally starting to post there more often for I've found so much that supports that pizzagate is a real scandal, but also that there are HUNDREDS of other networks and operations that are exploiting, kidnapping, selling and harming children and they need to be addressed with stellar research!
Edit: spelling
kazza64 ago
as a new poster i have to say it is very discouraging when come across information that you get excited about only to have it repeatedly deleted without proper explanation as to why. how can i fix my post if i dont get the feedback i need to re-edit it to the format required by the moderator deleting the post ? they can state a rule but if i dont understand how that rule applies to my post and i try to fix the post and repost it and the same moderator deletes it without explanation then that isnt helping me and it isnt helping voat. work with voaters to help us all become better at understanding voat rules in relation to our posts so we can enjoy less deleted posts and just get on with the business of investigating pizzagate together .... as a team :)
Honeybee_ ago
Hi @kazza54 I'm looking at the email that was sent to you when your post was deleted, it said deleted per rule 3. Not sure how glancing over to the right hand side of the desktop view of the voat subverse and reading the rule mentioned isn't an explanation that is spelled out very clearly...
"3: Clarity: All titles must adequately describe post content and must establish direct relevance to pizzagate. EACH link in your post must include a description of content and how the link relates to the post (except when markup is used to embed links in the specific text they support)."
If you really want to validate Dr Steven Greer, who may or may not be a limited hangout, you have to do some research on your own and provide evidence of what he is proposing and explain how it is related to PIZZAGATE/CHILD TRAFFICKING in the title and the post. That is laid out in the description of Rule 3. So to say your post was deleted without explanation is false.
EDIT: @Vindicator @sensitive @Millennial_Falcon
EDIT: *Spelling
kazza64 ago
Hi honeybee 😊 thanks for getting back to me. I read rule 3 and amended the title to have it deleted again I asked the moderator to help me only to be ignored
Honeybee_ ago
can you send me a link to the second deleted post, thank you! I will look at this, if there is more that I'm not seeing I will try and help the best I can
kazza64 ago
no worries :)
https://voat.co/messages
Honeybee_ ago
Ok, that link didn't work, BUT I did see both deletions and you still aren't following rule 3 in your second post either, I'm sorry, just please try and read the rule carefully and compare to your post and you will see where you are failing to follow. Please refer to my previous message for specific details on why both posts were deleted, hope that helps, thanks -Bee
@Millennial_Falcon
kazza64 ago
thank you for your help bee :) i appreciate your concern and i will review the rules to make sure i am abiding by them when i post. you're a nice person