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quantokitty ago

But there used to be a 100 CPP barrier, so is this how it worked?

As I remember it, you have the same barrier before you can up or downvoat anything. I distinctly remember furiously responding to posts to enjoy this privilege. I didn't have to do that in another subverse, I commented here in #pizzaagate. It's why I'm having a hard time believing/understanding why it would be different in this case.

If what you're repeating is true, then it would need to change to being able to comment, etc. in pizzagate. It makes no sense having to go elsewhere, and I wouldn't do that either. It would kill new membership. As for the subverse not showing up, I don't have a problem with that. I came here from Reddit (it does suck) for the express purpose of posting in the one subverse. In other words, I sought it out. I would say most members felt that way, in that, they knew why they were coming here and not putzng around.

If the above does not make sense to you, then what would your solution/remedy be to shills posting ten thousand shit posts to remove informative posts from the "Hot" page? What would be a viable alternative?

Vindicator ago

If the above does not make sense to you, then what would your solution/remedy be to shills posting ten thousand shit posts to remove informative posts from the "Hot" page? What would be a viable alternative?

Quantokitty, this is exactly what the current submission rules were designed to accomplish: allowing mods to remove shitposts in order to protect legit content from forum-sliding shills. Users downvoat shitty submissions, mods look at the downvoat count and vet individual posts for rule violations and either remove them or flare them so users can downvoat them to oblivion.

As I see it, the problem comes from lack of consensus between users, mods, and sometimes O's about which posts violate Rule 1 and which don't. If we have consensus on that, we don't have to change any of the site settings to unduly limit new user posts, the ability for pizzagoats to gain CCP in v/pizzagate, or v/pizzagate posts to get Voat-wide attention.

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quantokitty ago

As I see it, the problem comes from lack of consensus between users, mods, and sometimes O's about which posts violate Rule 1 and which don't. If we have consensus on that, we don't have to change any of the site settings to unduly limit new user posts, the ability for pizzagoats to gain CCP in v/pizzagate, or v/pizzagate posts to get Voat-wide attention.

The point is that there will never be a consensus, that's why a barrier needs to be constructed that is definitive.

For example, this morning, there were four identical posts on Arpaio. This is in addition to the ones posted yesterday. It's ridiculous and obviously a concerted effort on the part of those supporting The Cannibal Elite to disrupt this forum and spread anti-Trump propaganda.

The other way the shills work it is for one new member to post numerous submissions. So we have a member that's been here for fifteen minutes with five submissions. This is almost always in retaliation for a legitimate post that either is attracting attention, or has information they want to bury.

So let's get it through our heads that there will never be a consensus on this, but that we could construct a barrier. It would not solve all life's problems, but it would solve this one. Plus the mods (MF) won't get shit for removing a post by a user that has under 100 CCP. Since that will be a rule, a clear rule, s/he will only be following the rule. In fact, MF or whoever is mod will probably get a pat on the back for getting rid of shit posts effectively. We get tired of downvoating this crap and then having it linger. Like the Arpaio post ... they're still there when we woke up this morning!

cantsleepawink ago

Well said.

quantokitty ago

Thanks.