this was prev. posted as a link only but warrants discourse/examination
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4431220/Egyptian-American-woman-freed-Egypt-goes-home-US-military-plane.html
Trump has personally intervened to secure the release of a suspected human trafficker. Why? Why not let Egyptian court system do its (admittedly hopelessly 3rd world) job? Why would Trump intervene? What are the circumstances around this woman's arrest? 2 yrs in prison without trial? c'mon.... Obama admin wasnt interested to save her... what does this mean
Trump better get fuckin TWEETING real soon coz without some srs explanation I'm putting Trump in the category of 'very cleverly avoided detection but still thoroughly pedo-compromised' category
YingYangMom ago
I didn't get a bad vibe from Aya at first, either, but then I remembered she grew up in the States went to George Mason University in Church Falls and Hillary pushing for her release and then I could imagine them doing just that, by being programmed. And then, the cherry on the cake, the illuminati/Mason 666 hand sign in their logo, convinced me even more.
YingYangMom ago
Great report. You might want to take a look a this too : https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1798934/8807650
I believe this is either child or organ trafficking.
reasonedandinformed ago
Look at the last paragragh in this 2014 article: https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2014/08/137246/egypt-miss-morocco-accused-in-a-child-pornography-and-human-trafficking-case/
The charges WERE NOT mentioned in the US media reports. Those are heavy claims in the article, so how was this dismissed? Unsure what to think here.
reasonedandinformed ago
With Silsby, we had evidence of her (twice) trying to traffic kids over the Haitian border into DR. What evidence was there that this woman was being properly detained? Maybe she was a good one who was exposing things, which could explain Obama's non effort to help. I do not hold any position on this as I lack knowledge of the case, but please clarify the case against her (or the one supporting that they lacked evidence). Thanks.
GeorgeT ago
Hillary is scared that she might spill the beans?
OhRutherfordBehave ago
We might just be fucked. As well it says Kushner took a personal interest in the case...
Nana66 ago
if anyone has anything like that on Trump it would have been all over a long time ago. Anything that comes out now never happens to have any evidence just hearsay. Lets say they are all pedos Trump can't tell on Hill and her crew cuz then he will go down...and if Clinton's cabal goes down then it all comes out cuz they won't go down alone. We also can't always believe anything in the media so this could even be someone having nothing to do with Trump but it's being blamed on him....either way we know they are afraid of him and want him gone and off Twitter too.
Gothamgirl ago
Not even close. He did the right thing she was completely innocent. See this post from a few hours ago. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1808120 Somebody in the State dept should've stepped up for her a long time ago.
RweSure ago
Another parallel is she had her trial. Egypt dropped the charges.
This is false.
Good for Trump.
twistedmac11 ago
Technically Haiti dropped the trafficking charges against Silsby, so...dropped charges doesn't mean innocent. I'm not saying she's guilty, either, just that that can't be the sole deciding factor here.
Gothamgirl ago
Take a look at the difference.
The US State Department needs to do everything in its power to arrange for Aya and her husband to be released and allowed to return to the United States. It came to light that the children were beaten and forced to make false accusations on camera. A report showed no abuse to have transpired at the organization, and the families of the children have come forth defending Aya and her husband. Despite the evidence of their innocence, they are being held with no end in sight. https://www.change.org/p/free-american-imprisoned-for-helping-homeless-children
twistedmac11 ago
I agree, I wasn't trying to make a statement as to this particular woman's innocence. I apologize if I wasn't clear on that. I was simply responding to the assertation that dropped charges = innocence, which we all know is not true, aka Laura Silsby. That's all :)
Gothamgirl ago
No apologies necessary :-) I just wanted to share what was found earlier.
RweSure ago
Technically Haiti did not.
She was convicted of lesser charges received a six month sentence and then sentenced to time served. She was convicted and State Department got her home only after she was released and free to go.
DarkMath ago
Oh look, you forgot to respond again. You were going to explain why you disagree with NIST and actually agree with ME in believing their was molten metal in the basements of the WTC towers.
Remember?
Oh and regarding Laura Silsby another epic AreWeSure gem:
"She was convicted of lesser charges......and State Department got her home only".
It's as if Hillary and Bill Clinton played no part in her reduced sentence:
http://pizzagate.wiki/Laura_Silsby#Clintons_negotiate_to_significantly_lower_charges_for_Laura_Silsby
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-25/clinton-silsby-trafficking-scandal-and-how-media-attempted-ignorecover-it
I think this one is going in the AreWeSure Top 10.
RweSure ago
No.
DarkMath ago
No problem. I'll refresh your memory. You said the molten metal in the basement of the WTC towers wasn't necessarily steel. I then made you aware of the fact NIST didn't find ANY evidence of ANY molten metal at all.
You need to explain why you so strongly believe the findings of a group EVEN YOU don't agree with.
;-)
RweSure ago
did you not a get long reply that said NIST's job was to look into the cause of the collapse, not chase down every thing that occurred after the collapse. and they had conclusively ruled out a controlled demolition....and ended with 1500 pounds of thermite equal to 120 of dynamite in demolition work? Thermite was used to on tower from the Chicacago's world's fair, they used 1,500 pounds on two columns and the fire was visible for two miles.
Cuz i wrote that up.
DarkMath ago
Oh look, you forgot to answer again. You can't ignore evidence @AreWeSure, @Are_we_sure and @RWeSure. I'll paste in my earlier comment so you don't have to look for it:
Evidently I have to break out the crayons again. Scientific Facts are NOT based on:
1) how many scientists believe them.
2) where scientists went to school.
3) the results of a scientist's other research. You're scientifically illiterate. ....... But I digress.
Wouldn't it be sad if a scientist's current research could only be taken seriously if all their previous research was "correct"?.
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - Richard Feynman address "What is Science?", presented at the fifteenth annual meeting of the National Science Teachers Association, in New York City (1966), published in The Physics Teacher, volume 7, issue 6 (1969), p. 313-320"
Finally regarding WHY thermite can't be eliminated, your red-gray chips found in the 9/11 dust were tested by the "bad" scientists. Their tests showed the infamous red-gray chips when ignited burned at 430º C. That's hot enough to create molten iron as a reaction product – characteristics that confirm they are thermitic material and not primer paint. Could they have been both? Hhhhmmmmm
You can't dismiss the molten metal the FDNY witnesses found. That molten metal has to be explained, you can't ignore it. You've tried to above by saying that much thermite couldn't possibly have been used because people would have seen it being trucked in and spread all over the TWC towers.
But as I've proven many times in the two years leading up to 9/11 there were numerous power-downs. Many floors were even shut down entirely for months after a tenant moved out. And finally all the WTC elevator shafts were all "repainted" with what today considering all the evidence really really really looks to have been a red-gray paint with Thermite mixed into it.
O_O
Are_we_sure ago
Holy Shit this is silly
You know they actually could have done tests that said YES or NO this is thermite, right? A simple test would have been trying to ignite the in an inert environment that didn't contain oxygen. If they didn't ignite, definitely not thermite. They didn't do that. They promised in 2009 to do other tests that would actually prove if it was thermite or not. They haven't done that. In 8 years. Not even the simple test I just mentioned.
And? Do you know what temperature actual aluminum thermite reacts at in DSC test? The spike starts at 650C, but that is not the thermitic reaction. The thermitic reaction is at 850c.
http://www.nmsr.org/real_thermite.jpg
DarkMath ago
Oh look you forgot to respond again.
I'm still waiting for you to explain why you don't believe NIST's conclusion there were no rivers of molten metal in the basement of the towers.
Your silence is deafening.
;-)
@AreWeSure, @Are_we_sure and @RWeSure
DarkMath ago
"could have done tests that said YES or NO this is thermite, right?"
"You know they actually" wouldn't mean anything if say another type of incendiary was used. Some incendiaries aren't even allowed for civilian use. There are probably 20 different types of NANOthermite for Christ's sake. But thank you for the idea, what a great way to hamstring an investigation. Use a theretofore unknown military type of incendiary and then brow beat anyone who says it exists. "Why you uneducated boob, no such incendiary with that chemical signature has ever existed!". Sigh....... AreWeSure there are easily 1001 different ways to create an incendiary. And bee tee dubs I strongly suggest you look into something called "circular reasoning" and its effect on an argument within a debate.
Speaking of :-), debating you is like wrestling a puppy, it's immensely entertaining and at no point do I have any fear of losing.
DarkMath ago
Evidently I have to break out the crayons again. Scientific Facts are NOT based on:
1) how many scientists believe them.
2) where scientists went to school.
3) the results of a scientist's other research. You're scientifically illiterate. ....... But I digress.
Wouldn't it be sad if a scientist's current research could only be taken seriously if all his previous research was "correct"?.
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - Richard Feynman address "What is Science?", presented at the fifteenth annual meeting of the National Science Teachers Association, in New York City (1966), published in The Physics Teacher, volume 7, issue 6 (1969), p. 313-320"
Finally regarding WHY thermite can't be eliminated, your red-gray chips found in the 9/11 dust were tested by the "bad" scientists. Their tests showed the infamous red-gray chips when ignited burned at 430º C. That's hot enough to create molten iron as a reaction product – characteristics that confirm they are thermitic material and not primer paint. Could they have been both? Hhhhmmmmm
You can't dismiss the molten metal the FDNY witnesses found. That molten metal has to be explained, you can't ignore it. You've tried to above by saying that much thermite couldn't possibly have been used because people would have seen it being trucked in and spread all over the TWC towers.
But as I've proven many times in the two years leading up to 9/11 there were numerous power-downs. Many floors were even shut down entirely for months after a tenant moved out. And finally all the WTC elevator shafts were all "repainted" with what today considering all the evidence really really really looks to have been a red-gray paint with Thermite mixed into it.
O_O
twistedmac11 ago
Touché, however, neither were convicted of trafficking charges. That was the point I was trying to make. Silsby was guilty as sin, so I was just trying to say that just bc charges are dropped/lowered doesn't necessarily equal innocence. :)
MolochHunter ago
one wonders why she remained in custody were that the case...?...
RweSure ago
Egypt's new dictator might be worse than the old one. He has been cracking down all human rights groups, NGOs, all civil society basically, any organization that might be a place people can organize and plan. This has been going on for years.
Egypt illegally held her for three years before her trial. Even after the verdict was reached in February, they would not read the verdict and kept holding her.
GeorgeHodelDidit ago
NGO´s are evil almost entirely. They are fronts for the NWO. Any sane leader of a country would destroy them in his territory if they truly were not a part of the evil.
shizzle_mcbobblehead ago
Obama didn't approve Egyptian elections after the MB got ousted...
Death2Masons ago
I want the OP to know that I have had to upvote this thread several times because the site keeps erasing my upvote when I go back to the main page.
Laskar ago
Same thing happened to me, on this post and others as well.
MolochHunter ago
thx for your persistence. From the bottom of my upvoat ego complex
Awoke_AF ago
Maybe she agreed to become an informant in exchange for Trump negotiating release? I'm still hopeful we don't have a pedo puppet in hiding :/
Death2Masons ago
Your response is rediculous. Maybe the Clintons got Silsby released for the same reason. He was also on Epsteins Island but that doesn't count either. Nothing counts for Trump fans. The guy is part of the club. Stop digging for far out excuses for why his identical actions are not the same.
Awoke_AF ago
The Clintons immediately tried to get Silsby released, while Obama let this one sit there for two years. Then miraculously Trump negotiates release within the first 100 days? Most likely there is something here, but who knows wtf it is. Could be good, could be bad, who knows.
redditsuckz ago
You can see the Belady Foundation are rabid Trump supporters as their symbol is Trumps iconic hand gesture(the "Y" is a reptilian snake tongue);
http://i.imgur.com/1XzapsE.png
http://imgur.com/a/VmuVW
Or....that hand symbol means something entirely different...like raping, murdering, torturing and the consumption of children...those who are a part of the club know its full meaning...possible Tranny handisign...or MKULTRA used on humanity to hypnotize them...or is it a spiral 666 = Spirit Cooking with the "eye" as in the anus in the middle for anal rape of children...
http://i.imgur.com/5QhuCxk.jpg
http://www.whale.to/b/666_hand_sign.html
MolochHunter ago
for me, this puts hope in the corner, the onus is now on Trump to prove otherwise. Either clear explanation, or big scalps needed
shizzle_mcbobblehead ago
Anybody else with connections to Roy Cohn, NY Genovese family , Bill Clinton, Saudi Princes, Paolo Zampolli, and Jeff Epstein would be right there with everybody else on the suspect list....
Why was there ever hope in the first place?
Laskar ago
Because people are idiots.
Look at all the redundant VOAT posts, while good posts are buried.
There is also the (((elephant))) in the room we are not allowed to discuss. Trump owes them billions. do you think he is not doing their bidding?
Cara_C ago
Because the establishment was freaking out at the possibility of Trump's election, doing all they could to torpedo him. They weren't treating him like one of their own. Anyone running a business with serious money in New York, DC, or LA rubs elbows over the years with some unsavory characters. That doesn't mean they're satanic pedophiles. Time will tell what Trump is.
shizzle_mcbobblehead ago
Have you ever experienced an election cycle before this one?
They weren't freaking out over a Trump election, they sold the fuck out of him.
And "rubs elbows" doesn't describe the relationship Trump had with these people.
It's like y'all have to catch him with his dick inside a little girl before you'll let it go...
MolochHunter ago
sold the fuck outta him? LOL I tell you in all absence of hyperbole, the establishment tried so hard to discredit him in such dishonest terms, the rat smelled so bad it turned me from a lifelong Lefty into a Conservative
shizzle_mcbobblehead ago
Again... Have you people ever experienced a presidential election?
When they're scared of you the media blacks you out.
Just ask Ron Paul.
Cara_C ago
The media thought he was a joke until it was too late. Dem's emails show they wanted Trump and Cruz promoted to drive voters away from "more reasonable" Republican candidates like Jeb and Rubio, who they thought would be harder to beat. The media was sure they could take Trump out if they could get him nominated the way they've often taken out candidates they don't like: blowing up their minor gaffes into major scandals and labeling them racist or sexists. In Trump's case, they thought they had a sure thing in their pockets with his "grab them by the pussy" tape. They didn't count on the voters seeing through the media playbook this time around and voting for him anyway.
shizzle_mcbobblehead ago
Totally. Corporate media, essentially one giant PR company, didn't anticipate white America's ever present infatuation with loudmouthed, unrepentant dicks.
😒
4_InquiringMinds ago
WORD
DonKeyhote ago
Maybe because that describe hundreds of thousands of people and trump was already rich but held no real political power and was required to gladhand all sides for business and was cast as a buffoonish birther nut?
shizzle_mcbobblehead ago
No, that does NOT describe hundreds of thousands of people. That doesn't even describe a thousand people...
Sorry to disappoint you, the self described "model fucker" with a mail order bride and a crush on his daughter isn't who you hoped he'd be.
4_InquiringMinds ago
WORD
Plus now ppl are feeling sorry for Melania/she really does look sad in a lot of the pix. But she 'went for the gold' so to speak...save sympathies for all the children who suffer at the hands of indifference.
And I really took issue with her official WH pix with her 25 K diamond ring~huge fuck you slap to all the homeless, nearly homeless or just struggling making it day to day folks.
GeorgeHodelDidit ago
Because he did things that seemed he was on the side of the Angels. The main thing for me was his speech at the NY City Catholic after the final debate speech with Hillary in the audience. He said some real cryptic stuff about Hillary taking many villiages in Haiti. It seemed that it could not mean anything but he was going to be different. But either he is doing a deep sneaky type plan and will trick his enemies(after all he is way way smarter than people think. His Uncle was given Teslaś notes after that scientist death to figure out what they all meant. And his sister is a Federal Judge.) or he is dirty also just he was more cautious than the Clinton scum.
shizzle_mcbobblehead ago
He just talked louder and more often, allowing him to control the narrative and cloud his own bullshit.
And I don't know any person who thinks Trumps dumb... He's just an obvious piece of shit....
noone222 ago
Even the most aware people have difficulty imagining the evils perpetrated by the elites against the innocent.
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AssFaceSandwich2 ago
I agree (From the other thread I added/asked):
"The couple and their co-workers had been incarcerated since May 1, 2014, on child abuse and trafficking charges that were widely dismissed by human rights workers and U.S. officials as false. Virtually no evidence was ever presented against them..."
Virtually? That means something was submitted as evidence. No mention of that WaPo? Are these C-ISIS-A ass-ets? Is this his anti-Silsby-narrative move a la "hey look, we all release overseas human traffickers"? Or maybe the opposite in that "hey these folks were innocent so we welcome them, but this Silsby character, I just don't know"?
Hmmmmmm.....