this was prev. posted as a link only but warrants discourse/examination
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4431220/Egyptian-American-woman-freed-Egypt-goes-home-US-military-plane.html
Trump has personally intervened to secure the release of a suspected human trafficker. Why? Why not let Egyptian court system do its (admittedly hopelessly 3rd world) job? Why would Trump intervene? What are the circumstances around this woman's arrest? 2 yrs in prison without trial? c'mon.... Obama admin wasnt interested to save her... what does this mean
Trump better get fuckin TWEETING real soon coz without some srs explanation I'm putting Trump in the category of 'very cleverly avoided detection but still thoroughly pedo-compromised' category
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RweSure ago
Another parallel is she had her trial. Egypt dropped the charges.
This is false.
Good for Trump.
twistedmac11 ago
Technically Haiti dropped the trafficking charges against Silsby, so...dropped charges doesn't mean innocent. I'm not saying she's guilty, either, just that that can't be the sole deciding factor here.
Gothamgirl ago
Take a look at the difference.
The US State Department needs to do everything in its power to arrange for Aya and her husband to be released and allowed to return to the United States. It came to light that the children were beaten and forced to make false accusations on camera. A report showed no abuse to have transpired at the organization, and the families of the children have come forth defending Aya and her husband. Despite the evidence of their innocence, they are being held with no end in sight. https://www.change.org/p/free-american-imprisoned-for-helping-homeless-children
twistedmac11 ago
I agree, I wasn't trying to make a statement as to this particular woman's innocence. I apologize if I wasn't clear on that. I was simply responding to the assertation that dropped charges = innocence, which we all know is not true, aka Laura Silsby. That's all :)
Gothamgirl ago
No apologies necessary :-) I just wanted to share what was found earlier.
RweSure ago
Technically Haiti did not.
She was convicted of lesser charges received a six month sentence and then sentenced to time served. She was convicted and State Department got her home only after she was released and free to go.
DarkMath ago
Oh look, you forgot to respond again. You were going to explain why you disagree with NIST and actually agree with ME in believing their was molten metal in the basements of the WTC towers.
Remember?
Oh and regarding Laura Silsby another epic AreWeSure gem:
"She was convicted of lesser charges......and State Department got her home only".
It's as if Hillary and Bill Clinton played no part in her reduced sentence:
http://pizzagate.wiki/Laura_Silsby#Clintons_negotiate_to_significantly_lower_charges_for_Laura_Silsby
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-25/clinton-silsby-trafficking-scandal-and-how-media-attempted-ignorecover-it
I think this one is going in the AreWeSure Top 10.
RweSure ago
No.
DarkMath ago
No problem. I'll refresh your memory. You said the molten metal in the basement of the WTC towers wasn't necessarily steel. I then made you aware of the fact NIST didn't find ANY evidence of ANY molten metal at all.
You need to explain why you so strongly believe the findings of a group EVEN YOU don't agree with.
;-)
RweSure ago
did you not a get long reply that said NIST's job was to look into the cause of the collapse, not chase down every thing that occurred after the collapse. and they had conclusively ruled out a controlled demolition....and ended with 1500 pounds of thermite equal to 120 of dynamite in demolition work? Thermite was used to on tower from the Chicacago's world's fair, they used 1,500 pounds on two columns and the fire was visible for two miles.
Cuz i wrote that up.
DarkMath ago
Oh look, you forgot to answer again. You can't ignore evidence @AreWeSure, @Are_we_sure and @RWeSure. I'll paste in my earlier comment so you don't have to look for it:
Evidently I have to break out the crayons again. Scientific Facts are NOT based on:
1) how many scientists believe them.
2) where scientists went to school.
3) the results of a scientist's other research. You're scientifically illiterate. ....... But I digress.
Wouldn't it be sad if a scientist's current research could only be taken seriously if all their previous research was "correct"?.
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - Richard Feynman address "What is Science?", presented at the fifteenth annual meeting of the National Science Teachers Association, in New York City (1966), published in The Physics Teacher, volume 7, issue 6 (1969), p. 313-320"
Finally regarding WHY thermite can't be eliminated, your red-gray chips found in the 9/11 dust were tested by the "bad" scientists. Their tests showed the infamous red-gray chips when ignited burned at 430º C. That's hot enough to create molten iron as a reaction product – characteristics that confirm they are thermitic material and not primer paint. Could they have been both? Hhhhmmmmm
You can't dismiss the molten metal the FDNY witnesses found. That molten metal has to be explained, you can't ignore it. You've tried to above by saying that much thermite couldn't possibly have been used because people would have seen it being trucked in and spread all over the TWC towers.
But as I've proven many times in the two years leading up to 9/11 there were numerous power-downs. Many floors were even shut down entirely for months after a tenant moved out. And finally all the WTC elevator shafts were all "repainted" with what today considering all the evidence really really really looks to have been a red-gray paint with Thermite mixed into it.
O_O
Are_we_sure ago
Holy Shit this is silly
You know they actually could have done tests that said YES or NO this is thermite, right? A simple test would have been trying to ignite the in an inert environment that didn't contain oxygen. If they didn't ignite, definitely not thermite. They didn't do that. They promised in 2009 to do other tests that would actually prove if it was thermite or not. They haven't done that. In 8 years. Not even the simple test I just mentioned.
And? Do you know what temperature actual aluminum thermite reacts at in DSC test? The spike starts at 650C, but that is not the thermitic reaction. The thermitic reaction is at 850c.
http://www.nmsr.org/real_thermite.jpg
DarkMath ago
Oh look you forgot to respond again.
I'm still waiting for you to explain why you don't believe NIST's conclusion there were no rivers of molten metal in the basement of the towers.
Your silence is deafening.
;-)
@AreWeSure, @Are_we_sure and @RWeSure
DarkMath ago
"could have done tests that said YES or NO this is thermite, right?"
"You know they actually" wouldn't mean anything if say another type of incendiary was used. Some incendiaries aren't even allowed for civilian use. There are probably 20 different types of NANOthermite for Christ's sake. But thank you for the idea, what a great way to hamstring an investigation. Use a theretofore unknown military type of incendiary and then brow beat anyone who says it exists. "Why you uneducated boob, no such incendiary with that chemical signature has ever existed!". Sigh....... AreWeSure there are easily 1001 different ways to create an incendiary. And bee tee dubs I strongly suggest you look into something called "circular reasoning" and its effect on an argument within a debate.
Speaking of :-), debating you is like wrestling a puppy, it's immensely entertaining and at no point do I have any fear of losing.
DarkMath ago
Evidently I have to break out the crayons again. Scientific Facts are NOT based on:
1) how many scientists believe them.
2) where scientists went to school.
3) the results of a scientist's other research. You're scientifically illiterate. ....... But I digress.
Wouldn't it be sad if a scientist's current research could only be taken seriously if all his previous research was "correct"?.
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - Richard Feynman address "What is Science?", presented at the fifteenth annual meeting of the National Science Teachers Association, in New York City (1966), published in The Physics Teacher, volume 7, issue 6 (1969), p. 313-320"
Finally regarding WHY thermite can't be eliminated, your red-gray chips found in the 9/11 dust were tested by the "bad" scientists. Their tests showed the infamous red-gray chips when ignited burned at 430º C. That's hot enough to create molten iron as a reaction product – characteristics that confirm they are thermitic material and not primer paint. Could they have been both? Hhhhmmmmm
You can't dismiss the molten metal the FDNY witnesses found. That molten metal has to be explained, you can't ignore it. You've tried to above by saying that much thermite couldn't possibly have been used because people would have seen it being trucked in and spread all over the TWC towers.
But as I've proven many times in the two years leading up to 9/11 there were numerous power-downs. Many floors were even shut down entirely for months after a tenant moved out. And finally all the WTC elevator shafts were all "repainted" with what today considering all the evidence really really really looks to have been a red-gray paint with Thermite mixed into it.
O_O
twistedmac11 ago
Touché, however, neither were convicted of trafficking charges. That was the point I was trying to make. Silsby was guilty as sin, so I was just trying to say that just bc charges are dropped/lowered doesn't necessarily equal innocence. :)
MolochHunter ago
one wonders why she remained in custody were that the case...?...
RweSure ago
Egypt's new dictator might be worse than the old one. He has been cracking down all human rights groups, NGOs, all civil society basically, any organization that might be a place people can organize and plan. This has been going on for years.
Egypt illegally held her for three years before her trial. Even after the verdict was reached in February, they would not read the verdict and kept holding her.
GeorgeHodelDidit ago
NGO´s are evil almost entirely. They are fronts for the NWO. Any sane leader of a country would destroy them in his territory if they truly were not a part of the evil.
shizzle_mcbobblehead ago
Obama didn't approve Egyptian elections after the MB got ousted...