It makes me sick that AJ is so fucking scared of James Alefantis!! I have followed this man for over 10 years and just do not understand why he refuses to go there. Has his family been threatened? It makes no sense to me that he keeps saying he's just some poor pizza man. It incenses me. I have lost all respect for him. Has he even looked at JA Instagram ever??? How can he be so clueless? I am actually becoming suspicious of how he always tried to divert attention away from CPP by saying it's just a distraction. A distraction?? This perv may be banging his god daughter and God knows what other children and doing heaven knows what else and AJ says he is innocent?
This BS video was the last straw for me: I think he is lying to save his ass. Why should JA sue him when all he has done has been to protect him?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy8cOuFETbs&feature=youtu.be
I was already upset about AJ when I saw this video after the CPP shooting. I have never seen him kiss a guests ass so badly. (alleged witness to the CPP shooting.) And he never once even considered that this could be a very bad attempted false flag. King of false flags does not want to talk about an obvious false flag!!
Someone help me here because I am frankly rather heart broken over this. Feel like I have been scammed.
(and I don'
t want to hear about law suits. AJ has never given a crap about law suits in all the years I'
ve been listening to him. Something else is going on here.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Ht9UpNIDk
edblings ago
linking so people have something to read regarding this topic "ALEX JONES OF INFOWARS ADMITS TO CIA AND "ARMY SPECIAL FORCES" FAMILY; SUPPORTS DEATH SQUADS, DICTATORS, DRUGS, DISINFORMATION ... AND THE CNP"
https://isgp-studies.com/alex-jones-of-infowars-is-cia-army-disinformation
edblings ago
when i got here your post showed -1, after i upvoated, +8? how the fuck?
stellarcorpse ago
I had plus 7, but minus 8. For some reason they show it like this, they don't show the down votes. So now at least it is equal. Thank you. This is such an important topic.
stellarcorpse ago
well thanks for voting!!
stellarcorpse ago
Thank you for down voating me JA and AJ shills. Maybe one day you will all take off those rose colored glasses.
stellarcorpse ago
It appear to me by some of the comments here that people are in denial over AJ. Just like they were and still are in denial over David Seaman. Denial is a common and very strong defense mechanism.
DontVanMeBro ago
Im assuming its because its way larger than alefantis and he knows this.
OnHoldWithBreitbart ago
Dont be surprised when this thread gets removed.
stellarcorpse ago
I won't.
OnHoldWithBreitbart ago
Just look into Alex Jones connections to Strattfor.
stellarcorpse ago
you are the third person to tell me this this week. Appalling if true.
V____Z ago
PS, sorry about all the downvotes. The shilling is heavy at Voat these days. CIA ops don't want their cover blown. That's why you're being downvoted. But this is one of the best diatribes I've seen here in weeks.
V____Z ago
I'm sorry for your broken heart. But it will heal and you will no longer have wool over your eyes. There is no pain free method for awakening to this kind of stuff, at least from my experience. And truthfully, I'd almost rather not know what I know. But finding out Alex Jones is a CIA operation is imperative for truthers. He has admitted that half his family, including his dad I believe, is CIA, and he hired someone from Stratfor to run Infowars, and has refused to address questions about that.
stellarcorpse ago
I was just told this by 3 other people this week and also in comments here. I had no idea. Sad. No tragic, really.
V____Z ago
It's tragic how they have infiltrated all media. It's exciting that places like Voat exist where we can fill each other in on the truth.
It was Sibel Edmonds woke me up to the fact that Snowden isn't exactly who we all think he is. I literally hated her for about 6 months for speaking against him, I didn't want what she was saying to be true. But my strong reaction was cognitive dissonance, and it came because i knew she was right. I thien had to come to terms, put aside my desire for a Hero, and do a deep dive into the ugly world of limited hangouts and covert ops.
No one was paying attention to this, but it turns out that the one change we got from all of Snowden leaks, which weren't actually new info, was the "USA Freedom Act", which Snowden supported, and which actually made LEGAL the very provisions we were all complaining about, the ability for the NSA to spy on us all.
He also very vocally supported and even introduced, to many, the use of Tor. It turns out Tor is a honeypot funded by the NSA.
It was Sibel who schooled me that "once CIA, always CIA".
So when say that i know that heartbreak, i mean it. I fucking cried. I loved Snowden.
stellarcorpse ago
Yes me too but I have also begun to suspect stuff about Snowden due to some of his tweets as of late that seem to defend MSM and some seep state. I never fell for the conspiracy that he was still CIA spying on Russia but I always leave room for possibility because truth is stranger than fiction. Very interesting points you made about him. I will have to explore further. I like him very much too. I now have some ass wipe on this thread becoming suspicious of me and saying I am defending JA!! What the delusional paranoid fuck!! Kawstnahch.
V____Z ago
If you start to get harassed too much just start o new account here. If you do become a target, they can make your existence hell, keep you defending yourself 24/7.
stellarcorpse ago
what do you think Snowden and his handlers goal was with all this? Curious.
V____Z ago
To get us used to the idea that we are all being spied on, thereby getting us to self-censor (Sibel and others came up with this observation). Also the USA Freedom Act (you can see the Wikipedia page for this, it is relatively unbiased ( I worked on it a lot). Because of Snowden intel agencies are now allowed to do what they've been doing, prior to Snowden they were committing crimes. The spying didn't stop. It proliferated.
stellarcorpse ago
Interesting. These alphabet agencies are kings of mind fuckery.
V____Z ago
Exactly! That's why this new post is bullshit, trying to say that we don't need to explore the nuances https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1684701
stellarcorpse ago
Read my comment. They linked to me. Fuck them all!!
V____Z ago
Sorry, fell behind - can you link me to where you're being hounded?
stellarcorpse ago
no worries.
stellarcorpse ago
One thing. I have tweeted Snowden about my current disappointment with him. I do this. I kiss no ones ass.
stellarcorpse ago
please do me a favor and respond to this douche bag. How am I defending JA when I am calling him a big fish in pizzagate?
V____Z ago
No, I don't believe he was spying on Russia. He point was that his actions show he still works for the deep state, as evidenced by the things you and i are noticing. My main point here is that i know the pain of waking up, it's real.
stellarcorpse ago
Indeed it is.
lude ago
Is it possible that there could be different factions inside the cia trying to bring about different things though?
V____Z ago
Absolutely, there may be truthtellers in the CIA, but i think they're rendered helpless by the overall MO there, which is apparently to promote horrific things like drug addiction, child trafficking, and to carry out murders and regime change.
NotHereForPizza ago
The only thing acknowledging that there are truth-based factions of the CIA (on our side, I suppose you're saying) does for your case is harm it.
The AJ isn't a shill side is going to jump right to "then he must be on the good side."
I'm not stating either side is right, I'm only telling you that you gave your debate opponents more ammo.
V____Z ago
I am most assuredly NOT saying there may be good factions in the CIA. Reread my post. i stated that there may be some individual truthtellers in the CIA. but their existence is irrelevant.
NotHereForPizza ago
Absolutely means what again? Maybe you should reread the question you responded to.
stellarcorpse ago
I believe so. That is also usually the case as well in Secret Societies. Not everyone in power has the same goal in mind and there are often deep schisms. I suspect that there is an internal war in the CIA.
sunshine702 ago
3D chess. I like Alex. FBI Anon (if you believe?) Said he was a "useful idiot but believed his stuff". Like Flynn the Shadow Government is sneaking out to cut throats and Jones is next and knows it. There are plenty of people watching this and I do not fault Alex for making the smart move.
stellarcorpse ago
by protecting a suspected pedo /child trafficker? How the fuck is that smart? And yet he rails about Podesta and Hillary and lets JA get away with murder? That's not smart, that's being a pussy.
jeanfrancois111 ago
Alex Jones and Donald Trump work for the same people, whom I cannot name. I can say they pretend to believe their roots are west of the Jordan river.
OnHoldWithBreitbart ago
Does this same group control 90% of the media, and the federal reserve?
lude ago
Elaborate please.
huhhh ago
Well unfortunately AJ has proven himself time and time again over the years to be a gatekeeper and at no point was it more blatantly obvious than with pizzagate. It's tough to come to terms with but once you do you will have reached the next level of "truthdom". Infowars is a limited hangout. Like I said the other day, pizzagate should have been infowars wet dream, but they've skirted around it the best they could. I finally unsubscribed a month or so ago when I realized and I've been better off for it. Don't get me wrong though, I thoroughly enjoyed the infowars election coverage. They do put out some good stuff but a great deal of it is a distraction from the REAL shit.
NotHereForPizza ago
I would gladly follow the bandwagon here if it wasn't for the Joe Rogan podcast where he went ham.
Don't get me wrong, I'd like to hear more about AJ being a shill.
huhhh ago
I've never heard of that incident, all I can say is don't let that fool you. I'm no expert on AJ either and he is still part curiosity to me. Is he a total plant for Israel and the CIA? Did he start out legit and get corrupted along the way? I don't know, somehow I imagine it's a bit of both, though that makes no sense. All we know is that AJ isn't the truth warrior we all hoped he was and he is no doubt gatekeeping to some degree.
NotHereForPizza ago
Meh. Not at all convinced, although I want to state again that I'm certainly open to the idea. FBIAnon put it best, i believe, when he stated that AJ may just be a useful idiot.
It's my estimation that FBIAnon considers AJ's affinity for information marketing to be admirable while also believing that he doesn't exactly have all the information (maybe just not yet, though), or (and I think this is more likely) he's been partially duped in some way.
huhhh ago
Believe what you arrive at my friend.
NotHereForPizza ago
Come on, you've established your narrative. It's plain to see.
The hard truth that's actually involved here, is that skepticism is not only healthy, but absolutely crucial to defining truth.
When you dismiss a conversation before it begins, you essentially concede in the debate world.
huhhh ago
Did I say you were wrong? No, I told you my opinion and you told me yours. Instead of trying to convince you that you're wrong or that I'm right I said we will have to come to our own conclusions. What's the problem?
NotHereForPizza ago
Ad hominem and dismissal are a shill's tools, friend.
You called him a gatekeeper, infowars a limited hangout, and referred to the whole thing as a distraction.
Then:
Is something you say to a child when they've lost a toy and insist you have it.
huhhh ago
Oh cram it dummy. In this case I actually meant "my friend" in a friendly non condescending way. He's a total gatekeeper imo, why do you think infowars has done so little on pizzagate? And why did it take them so long to cover it? People in the know have called AJ a gatekeeper for years and for good reason. I'll say it again and it's a cliché, but: "The best way to control your opposition is to lead it", don't think they aren't utilizing that little tidbit. We all have questions and we all try to find the answers. Cool your jets, friend ;)
stellarcorpse ago
He defended Jimmy Comet on there too!!
NotHereForPizza ago
Meh the comet thing seems, although pretty fucking fishy (I can't get around admitting that), like a false flag.
stellarcorpse ago
Thank you for your honest reply. It is rather heartbreaking in a way. I have always defended AJ against claims that he was controlled opposition and what not but I have finally reached my zenith with his reaction (or non reaction) to pizzagate.
Kindly upvoat me since I am being outnumbered so far .
huhhh ago
We're in the same boat. It was only 3 - 6 months ago I was arguing with people calling them crazy for thinking AJ was controlled opp.
stellarcorpse ago
may I ask you what you think is going on here? Why does he mention Clinton's & Podesta's but is afraid of Alefantis? Do you not find that weird? Life threatened or that of family? Or some other agenda? (Though from the get go he has been fairly hands off about pizzagate in general. )Thank you.
V____Z ago
You didn't ask me, but what I've surmised is that like his interview with the lawyer who supposedly witnessed the supposed shooting (of a hard drive in a closet!?), he is helping with a psyop and is going to lead us to believe we will get in big trouble for talking about Alefantis. He is working with Alefantis, which is the same as working with CIA, so it's really not a stretch.
The deep state isn't going to allow a real truth teller to have a huge media presence - he's not their enemy, he works for them.
stellarcorpse ago
Exactally. Which leads me back to the argument I am having with Kawksnahsch above me who claims Alefantis is a nobody & a distraction just like AJ does. What if the exact opposite is true? What if AJ is the one actually doing the distracting AWAY from CPP? What if CPP is not the DISTRACTION but the main ATTRACTION? The more JA gets away with things, the more I do entertain the idea he is CIA related. With AJ, I have no idea. I really am not ready to accept yet that he could be working on the other side. I find that hard to believe because he is a massive Trump supporter and I think Trump is against DEEP STATE . But hell, I don't know anymore. You may be right. Nothing with AJ and pizzagate makes sense anymore. If he were being threatened I would personally react different. But what if he is being threatened to say what he has to say? I mean like instructed? Or else...
V____Z ago
He is an act. He says what he needs to say. He 'supports' Trump because he has a certain audience he caters too, but does he give Trump a bad name by attaching himself to him? Interesting. The CIA wanted Hillary. Now Trump is smeared by the fact that he had talked aith Alex in the past. Alex is used to smear anything he touches, and he doesn't exactly fight against being used like that. He doesn't try to act sane.
As for Alefantis, I can't understand arguments that we ignore him completely, nor would i support the idea of focusing on him explicitly. I've never heard arguments for the latter, and those saying to ignore him show their true colors right away.
stellarcorpse ago
Agree 100%.
huhhh ago
Good question. I feel it's got something to do with taking the heat off Comet Ping Pong and everything that goes along with it. If CPP is busted wide open then it exposes that whole little game they've got running in the heart of DC, and it's implications and all who are associated with it, including the white house. Whatever is really going on in CPP (I imagine it's a combo of showcasing kids and other nefarious activities), they REALLY don't wanna give it up. I think AJ knew from the start just as well as us what was going on and how massive and real it was, so he backed off it like a pussy, and knew that his audience was expecting pizzagate stuff from him so he's given us little crumbs and handled the whole thing with kiddy gloves. It's always so ridiculous when I hear AJ throw in "Oh but that comet pizza is just some innocent pizza place" lol. That or he's been threatened, though I think he's an asset and beyond that. He has his parameters set for him by TPTB, my theory. I dunno...
stellarcorpse ago
what is TPTB? pardon my ignorance. Who is an asset? JA? I think he could very well be an operative.
huhhh ago
The powers that be = TPTB, I only learnt that yesterday and now I'm throwing it around like everyone should know it lol. And AJ is an asset I mean.
stellarcorpse ago
Thank you. Your theory makes sense.
Kawksnahch ago
The last thing we need is for InfoWars to be used as fodder against the investigation.
Relax and watch this: https://youtu.be/N2tGqFjdX8A
stellarcorpse ago
Piss off. I am not going to relax when AJ is defending a suspected pedophile and child trafficker and rails all day that he hates Satanic Pedos so much.
Kawksnahch ago
He's not defending him. James isn't the lynchpin and Alex has to come off as hands off.
I really think you'll like the video.
stellarcorpse ago
Like hell he is not. How do you know who the lynchpin is? You don't .Neither do I. Hey I'm not the only one angry about this. Why I made this submission. Thanks for thumbing me down btw. But in the end I will get more upvoats guaranteed.
Kawksnahch ago
I don't normally down vote anything unless it's obviously shillary and I didn't down vote you. You just seem stressed and you're losing sight of the bigger picture at hand.
James is not the lynchpin. If anything he's just a loose thread that got tugged on and kept unraveling. There are much bigger players at the center of this. He's lesser than both Podesta and the Clintons, for starters.
He's not the lynchpin.
stellarcorpse ago
Now you sound just like Alex. You know nothing about anything going on here so you should make no assumptions. For all we know Podesta's may work for JA and not the other way around.
Kawksnahch ago
Oh come the fuck on. Go watch George Webb if you're that retarded.
Plus, I haven't started crying once. So there. :P
stellarcorpse ago
I don't care if JA is Juan the toilet cleaner. He has even more suspicions going on then both Podestas combined. If AJ is calling him innocent he is basically a pedo defender and so are you.
btw George Webb things JA is CIA.
Kawksnahch ago
He probably is. I'm not saying he's not very likely a sick twisted fuck. Just not the head of the sick twisted fuckery and he probably doesn't even know WHO his ultimate masters are.
stellarcorpse ago
and btw, you know this how?? Because he's just a pizza man?
Kawksnahch ago
You're being obtuse on purpose but this isn't a bad exercise.
Because Rothschilds seem involved, he's a nobody. JA probably got to where he is because he's been up for "whatever's going on there and about his multiple properties". And all his properties seem like fronts or are on top of the tunnel system (if you caught that post). Taking down James personally wouldn't take down those above him. They'd let him fall for being sloppy and getting caught. Just like what Rothschild said to Podesta.... and she's not even referencing James in her tweets.
Are her tweets simply political? Dddddddoubt it.
stellarcorpse ago
So why has he not gone down yet if he is a nobody? Been thrown under the bus if he is so dispensable. Why did a "nobody" go to Cuba with the Obama's? Why has this "nobody" gotten away with threatening a youtubers life and with zero penalty? Has a ridiculous amount of $$ flow for a pizza owner and jet sets around the world in luxury? This "nobody" has police chiefs defending him when with so much circumstantial evidence Joe the regular pizza man would have at least warranted a basic investigation. And speaking of Rothschilds. This "nobody" also has a Rothschild attached to one of his buildings ownership. Has at least 5 known voter ID's with multiple current addys and no one does a thing. (that is illegal in case you are unaware.) I could go on and on about this "nobody". Forest through trees.....
Kawksnahch ago
He's too connected of a "nobody". I'm talking bigger picture nobody. He has a name, but compared to... I dunno... Soros... he ain't shit.
But once he's gone after, he's directly related to the big movers and shakers. The other players are international names... this guy seems to just be regional.
stellarcorpse ago
We have no idea who James Achilles Alefantis is.
Kawksnahch ago
Also... you're defending JA way more than Alex ever came close to. What's up with that?
stellarcorpse ago
Pardon me?? How the hell am I doing that??!!!
Kawksnahch ago
nope. no excuses.
stellarcorpse ago
You don't know me or how personal this is to me. Maybe check out my other submissions.
Kawksnahch ago
Oh believe me I did. lol
I'm very skeptical of what you're doing here. :)
stellarcorpse ago
oh ya?? what do you think I am doing? Do tell.
Kawksnahch ago
oh god... you're still here?
-leaves some diner food for ya-
Kawksnahch ago
eh, we know what he's into. If he's a spook honeypot for the local elite, fine. His cover's not blown yet, though, if that's the case.
stellarcorpse ago
ALEX JONES SAYS HE IS INNOCENT.
Kawksnahch ago
it's deflection away from him. If Alex calls it kooky, which sounds like something he would do, AND LET HIS EMOTIONS
uh oh -starts crying-
-too patriotic to care-
YOU'RE GONNA NEED THE PATENTED RATIONS AND COLLOIDAL SILVER! GAY FROGS!
Y'know... all the stuff they mock him for now. He's big, easy target for the media to go after.
stellarcorpse ago
i have ass wipe and don't you dare patronize me.