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V____Z ago

I'm sorry for your broken heart. But it will heal and you will no longer have wool over your eyes. There is no pain free method for awakening to this kind of stuff, at least from my experience. And truthfully, I'd almost rather not know what I know. But finding out Alex Jones is a CIA operation is imperative for truthers. He has admitted that half his family, including his dad I believe, is CIA, and he hired someone from Stratfor to run Infowars, and has refused to address questions about that.

stellarcorpse ago

I was just told this by 3 other people this week and also in comments here. I had no idea. Sad. No tragic, really.

V____Z ago

It's tragic how they have infiltrated all media. It's exciting that places like Voat exist where we can fill each other in on the truth.

It was Sibel Edmonds woke me up to the fact that Snowden isn't exactly who we all think he is. I literally hated her for about 6 months for speaking against him, I didn't want what she was saying to be true. But my strong reaction was cognitive dissonance, and it came because i knew she was right. I thien had to come to terms, put aside my desire for a Hero, and do a deep dive into the ugly world of limited hangouts and covert ops.

No one was paying attention to this, but it turns out that the one change we got from all of Snowden leaks, which weren't actually new info, was the "USA Freedom Act", which Snowden supported, and which actually made LEGAL the very provisions we were all complaining about, the ability for the NSA to spy on us all.

He also very vocally supported and even introduced, to many, the use of Tor. It turns out Tor is a honeypot funded by the NSA.

It was Sibel who schooled me that "once CIA, always CIA".

So when say that i know that heartbreak, i mean it. I fucking cried. I loved Snowden.

stellarcorpse ago

Yes me too but I have also begun to suspect stuff about Snowden due to some of his tweets as of late that seem to defend MSM and some seep state. I never fell for the conspiracy that he was still CIA spying on Russia but I always leave room for possibility because truth is stranger than fiction. Very interesting points you made about him. I will have to explore further. I like him very much too. I now have some ass wipe on this thread becoming suspicious of me and saying I am defending JA!! What the delusional paranoid fuck!! Kawstnahch.

V____Z ago

If you start to get harassed too much just start o new account here. If you do become a target, they can make your existence hell, keep you defending yourself 24/7.

stellarcorpse ago

what do you think Snowden and his handlers goal was with all this? Curious.

V____Z ago

To get us used to the idea that we are all being spied on, thereby getting us to self-censor (Sibel and others came up with this observation). Also the USA Freedom Act (you can see the Wikipedia page for this, it is relatively unbiased ( I worked on it a lot). Because of Snowden intel agencies are now allowed to do what they've been doing, prior to Snowden they were committing crimes. The spying didn't stop. It proliferated.

stellarcorpse ago

Interesting. These alphabet agencies are kings of mind fuckery.

V____Z ago

Exactly! That's why this new post is bullshit, trying to say that we don't need to explore the nuances https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1684701

stellarcorpse ago

Read my comment. They linked to me. Fuck them all!!

V____Z ago

Sorry, fell behind - can you link me to where you're being hounded?

stellarcorpse ago

no worries.

stellarcorpse ago

One thing. I have tweeted Snowden about my current disappointment with him. I do this. I kiss no ones ass.

stellarcorpse ago

please do me a favor and respond to this douche bag. How am I defending JA when I am calling him a big fish in pizzagate?

V____Z ago

No, I don't believe he was spying on Russia. He point was that his actions show he still works for the deep state, as evidenced by the things you and i are noticing. My main point here is that i know the pain of waking up, it's real.

stellarcorpse ago

Indeed it is.

lude ago

Is it possible that there could be different factions inside the cia trying to bring about different things though?

V____Z ago

Absolutely, there may be truthtellers in the CIA, but i think they're rendered helpless by the overall MO there, which is apparently to promote horrific things like drug addiction, child trafficking, and to carry out murders and regime change.

NotHereForPizza ago

The only thing acknowledging that there are truth-based factions of the CIA (on our side, I suppose you're saying) does for your case is harm it.

The AJ isn't a shill side is going to jump right to "then he must be on the good side."

I'm not stating either side is right, I'm only telling you that you gave your debate opponents more ammo.

V____Z ago

I am most assuredly NOT saying there may be good factions in the CIA. Reread my post. i stated that there may be some individual truthtellers in the CIA. but their existence is irrelevant.

NotHereForPizza ago

Is it possible that there could be different factions inside the cia trying to bring about different things though?

Absolutely, there may be truthtellers in the CIA, but i think they're rendered helpless by the overall MO there, which is apparently to promote horrific things like drug addiction, child trafficking, and to carry out murders and regime change.

Absolutely means what again? Maybe you should reread the question you responded to.

stellarcorpse ago

I believe so. That is also usually the case as well in Secret Societies. Not everyone in power has the same goal in mind and there are often deep schisms. I suspect that there is an internal war in the CIA.