Last night, a user posted a highly-upvoted post on /v/pizzagate attacking David Seaman. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1650713
Seaman posted this response about two hours ago: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1651763
I removed it because there was no verification it was him (so the post violated rule 4). I asked him to repost with some kind of verification it's him. He reposted, but it looked like the same post with no verification (he mentioned a tweet at the beginning this time, but no link, so in my impatience, I didn't notice the mention). So I removed and again asked for verification.
Seaman then tweeted this: https://twitter.com/d_seaman/status/832293244532830208
He included an image of a Voat message (which seems to have never been sent, because presumably he was implying he sent this message to me, since I was the one who removed his post, yet I never received such a message). The only way I was alerted to his tweets about the Voat post was through another Voat user's comment.
In the "message" he imaged in this tweet, he complains that I'm asking for "personally identifying info." LOL. You're a public figure; all we needed was typical AMA-type verification (a photo of yourself holding something with today's date, "Voat", etc). Anyway, the tweet was sufficient verification, so I pinged him and told him he can repost and I won't delete. Yet he still has not reposted (?). Is he trying to set us up as looking unfair to him?
He also complained about us allowing the post that had attacked him. That post satisfied our posting rules. This community is anti-censorship. Again, feel free to repost your post with the same account (@David_Seaman). Please link one of your tweets about the post in the post itself, so other mods will not mistakenly remove it.
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PizzaGate711 ago
You're tough on Seaman and it's clear in your communications that you dislike him. Job of Mod is to be impartial. Just saying.
Millennial_Falcon ago
WTF are you talking about?
Edit: I find his tweet, and the way this played out rather suspicious, and it could just be a misunderstanding, but I have repeatedly offered him a way to de-escalate (as well as repeatedly pinging him before I posted this), and he instead chooses to escalate, saying I've "shown my true colors," and ignoring my peace offering.
gangpressorliber ago
BOOOO!!! BOOO!!!!!
PizzaGate711 ago
David Seaman has immense support and respect in the global pizzagate community. Best not to fight with the big league. Not good for Voat. If I owned Voat I wouldn't want you fighting with David Seaman. Take a break. You sound like you need it.
cantsleepawink ago
His tweets are increasingly turning people off due to his unprofessionalism. So, to say he has such global support is a bit of a stretch. We've been trying to tell him about the effect he is having on some sectors but he prefers to walk his own path. That's fair enough but he's not taking many with him.
PizzaGate711 ago
So be it. Let him walk his own path. I see he has the ability to self correct/admit mistakes. The hostility toward him on voat has made me consider leaving this investigation for good as the level of animosity is insane. Can't reason with it. And I surely am not alone.
cantsleepawink ago
I think all this talk of 'hostility' is overdone. Someone posted a thread about Seaman looking into his background, because he had created so much 'buzz' here on voat with his increasingly erratic posts on twitter in the last few days. Maybe the language in the post was a bit inflammatory. And not surprisingly, Seaman showed up to defend himself. Now the miscommunication (which happens all the time here as most of us know) has blown up. And Seaman is tweeting about voat in a way that I personally think is quite destructive. Am i surprised ? Absolutely not. That is his modus operandi. For sure, we have all sorts of shills in this forum. But voat is definitely one of the better forums in its handling of the inevitable subversion attempts. This is an adult forum. Many of us here do not subscribe to blind adulation or look for 'movement leaders' or even 'thought leaders' as Mr. Seaman recently described himself.
I will explain to you what is happening now. As with all infiltrated grassroots collaborative movements, TPTB will be trying to implode this investigation with arguments, tension, people being indignant and so on. Usually that's enough to finish off a forum like this. But this time, I think the community is too strong. So we have a little fight at the moment. Mr. Seaman can go back to his Twitter and Youtube accounts and we will get back to researching this filthy, corrupt system.
PizzaGate711 ago
You express yourself very well indeed :-))
wecanhelp ago
He used to have immense support, including mine. Lately, though, it doesn't seem to me that the community unanimously agrees with you on this one.
PizzaGate711 ago
Well of course support is not across the board unanimous for David. And thank goodness. It would be terribly troubling if we all thought the same wouldn't it. We could have ended up with HRC as Pres and John Podesta or Huma Abedin et al as Chief of Staff. Yes we can fault him. We can call him out for his mistakes. He is human. And he is clearly, as I see it, working for the greater good. He's a great amplifier and he has an immense following. Blatantly attack him and you only weaken pizzagate and voat.
V____Z ago
They're weakening Voat, but not pizzagate. We can all fuck off to another forum just as we did after Reddit.
PizzaGate711 ago
Yep, but what's left?
V____Z ago
There are websites popping up devoted to pizzagate, when the demand is high enough, one or more of them could add a discussion section, perhaps?
gangpressorliber ago
BOOO!!!!