NotHereForPizza ago

Thank you, kevdude, for actually being reasonable.

VictorSteinerDavion ago

the bullshit your fellow mods were up to

Haha, I've seen this accusation thrown around, but no actual evidence. Just frothing conjecture and spurious speculation.

You chose option B. And are now going with option C.

And I have done so after having my character slandered without evidence of any kind.

Considering all of that I have no issue calling people braindead retards, because as evidenced by their actions, that's what they are.
I would be happy to engage armyseer in conversation about this topic, but instead of discussing it with me they simply banned me without interaction.
These are the actions of someone who willfully refuses to act rationally.

despite the best efforts of the mods to enforce the "pizzagate is fake news" narrative.

And where has that happened. Go through my comments and show me where I have pushed that narrative.
You can't because you're just as full of shit as the usual disinfo shills who come here to divide and create drama.

You accuse me of being a co-opted paid for shill yet you provide no evidence for this and accuse me of "attack the user pointing it out".
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Put up or shut up else all you are doing is showing the world what a loyal useful idiot looks like in your actions.

fuckMoloch ago

strix-varia ago

Oh man what a waste of time this is.

Ramona ago

Seaman doesn't even know how the Pizzagate Research forum functions hahahahahahahahaha!!!! Speaks magnitudes. He's used us for his fame and wallet for far too long.

wecanhelp ago

That's what this post did, sans stickying. Besides, Falcon has reposted David's post in the meantime with an explanation. Make another one of these as a sticky, and it'll really come across as desperately trying to prove a point and pushing our own narrative. These posts oughta do it.

VictorSteinerDavion ago

Armyseer banned me from somewhere for being a CTR shill, they are not working with a fully functioning brain cell.

PizzaGateDiscovery ago

I don't know much about the people here. Haven't been here that long, although I have been following PizzaGate for quite awhile. I have no idea who runs Voat or how they make money, but I think the site offers a valuable outlet for PizzaGate research. I like its layout better than some of the other sites Easier to follow.

From what I gather David Seaman signed up as David Seaman today without proof that he was the real David Seaman initially. Then he gave proof, but didn't give a link. Seems reasonable to take down the thread until it was verified.

This site isn't about one person making videos about PizzaGate, but the research many are doing. I just don't see biting the hand that feeds you. It reminds me of Alinsky like tactics.

I've wondered what would happen if the site is taken down. Where will all this good data go.

I take it you are a moderator here. What is the background of this site?

MileHiLife ago

Remember, the Satanist M.O.D. is and has always been DIVIDE & CONQUER. They infiltrate every cause not in line with their agenda and destroy it from the inside. Much like what has happened to the U.S.

Stay focused, wrap up and don't worry about a lil spilled Seamen ;)

stellarcorpse ago

I am not discussing this particular case since I don't know the details: personally I dislike Seaman, but I also think mods have got to get over themselves around here. They are being a bit fascist. Every time I post about James Alefantis for example, I get my shit deleted and then I see other crap that stays up. Moderating seems unfair and unbalanced. Some people are on power trips. They need to relax rules a bit.

V____Z ago

I guess the short answer, after reviewing the comments posted below, is NO, David is not "smearing" Voat. He is sharing some facts about what happened here. Most of the community agrees that MF is the one giving Voat a bad name.

cantsleepawink ago

Can you provide the data for your informed statement ?

V____Z ago

"After reviewing the comments" means that my comment stems from my read of all the comments from the community made prior to mine. Go read them.

cantsleepawink ago

Stats aren't your strong point then. ok...

V____Z ago

But straw men are yours. Got it.

cantsleepawink ago

What is it the kids say ? Whatever.....

Neinerr ago

He deleted human abedin ties with terrorist organizations, before the clinton dump

cantsleepawink ago

What ?? Who do you mean ?

Neinerr ago

I am the guy who bring dyncorp to the light! I am the Freed0mfighter, the researcher banned because speaking against the censorship here! Yes, Falcon have deleted my post with the alias Thisisgameover regarding the ties of Huma Abedin with terrorist organizations, so the only way I could bring the information to light it was with the clinton foundation dump

V____Z ago

Pretty sure he's also the same person who once claimed that Ted Gunderson was a disinfo agent. That's when i knew...

PizzaGate711 ago

ARMYSEER IS A SHILLLLL.

stellarcorpse ago

David Seaman is a narcissistic drama queen. Also a fraud.

sugarskull ago

Another winner!!

gangpressorliber ago

FALCON WAS THAT YOU IN THE FATHERHOOD VIDEO??????????

cantsleepawink ago

Glad to see some humour finally being injected.

21yearsofdigging ago

Armyseer is a paranoid dick or a shill. They put me on that list as well and when I confronted them I got a piss poor excuse for it.Anyone can go through my posts, anyone's posts. At first armyseer accused me of being someone else using a fake alias. Well that didn't work. Have also heard I am cointelpro which is a laugh. I am a nobody on here, other than I post occasionally, particularly about ritual abuse as that affected people around me. We should all take a chill pill and stop acting like paranoid freaks. With Seaman, maybe he is an opportunist or a dick head but really, ask yourself, is he doing more good than bad. I would hope the answer would be good. Who gives a fuck, as long as Pizzagate keeps coming out. The more the MSM pisses on Pizzagate and uses it for an example of fake news the more people are looking. The morons fucked up. The Streisand effect. As for any involvement with Soros, demand an answer. Not making excuses for the guy but ask yourself, why would Soros be behind Seaman? For left-right control? If so, Seaman mainly rags on Podesta so would Soros be behind that? Just asking

gangpressorliber ago

This is are real Ego Mashup here....

JimmyLionstar1 ago

Sounded to me like he smeard you Millenium_Falcon.

Couldn't you have asked him about credential and waited a little bit to see if it checked out, before you just delete the post?

I mean the big shit campaign that has been on Seaman the last few days here, he should have the right to defend him self.

You could have give´n that post a little more time.

You just made the MOD´s on Voat look bad.. sad to see.

Millennial_Falcon ago

Normal procedure is delete and repost. It's too burdensome to wait an unspecified amount of time to see if someone fixes their post. Simpler to just delete and tell them to fix the problem.

JimmyLionstar1 ago

Well the sad thing is that all the mod´s now look bad .. because of your action.

that is a problem you should think about.

(you should really delete this post.. this divides the community even more.)

memegod420 ago

armyseer is the king shill

gangpressorliber ago

LMFAO GREATEST THING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gangpressorliber ago

NOT GOOD DAVID NOT GOOD!

nowiknow ago

agreed. Voat mods did nothing but follow rules. David needs to link his verification. Tweeting is not enough– You need to link the tweet David lmao. It's not up to mods to search for it. And also, linking verification proves to readers its him too. I don't want to search for the verification, he must link it.

david only attracts people who like sensational headlines. which is why they wont dig deeper to understand that the mods were just following rules. they will only agree with seaman claiming censorship.

like someone else said, David is 80% fluff, 20% meat.

ploppy ago

How about I start a thread called is "MF biased and trying to divide Pizzagate?" That would also fit the same definitions as this thread right? Lets see how long it lasts... Edit, whatever. this is all counter productive bullshit.

wecanhelp ago

MF is a mod, your concerns regarding him should go on /v/pizzagatemods.

David Seaman is a public figure, his activity is relevant to this investigation.

Millennial_Falcon ago

IMO @armyseer is a shill. I have no opinion on whether Seaman is a shill (have seen nothing to make me solidly lean either direction on him). This thing is possibly just a misunderstanding. As I've told @David_Seaman, I'll delete this post (and write a new post explaining) if he issues a tweet explaining the misunderstanding.

witch_doctor1 ago

So now he has to jump through more hoops for you to delete this thread? You should do that without asking and apologize publicly for making the forum you moderate look bad in a very public manner.

This whole thing is crazy...David is the most publicly prominent figure to visit this forum and you proceed to immediately bash him over the head with rules, when you could have shown a little discretion and taken the 2.5 seconds to see that he was simultaneously tweeting about v/pizzagate on Twitter.

Admit it...you screwed the pooch on this one.

Millennial_Falcon ago

Yeah, he issues a retraction, I issue a retraction. Fair is fair.

Chasnigga ago

Good lord, the bickering is extremely productive. Shattering credibility of an otherwise positively evolving investigation, one tear drop and one keyboard mash at a time. Focus on the facts, gents. Er, and gals.

gangpressorliber ago

and trannies

cantsleepawink ago

It was always going to happen. I'm glad it's now. It will be over soon.

gangpressorliber ago

+NaN wtf

gangpressorliber ago

EVERYONE IS A CONFIRMED SHILL!!!! IS HE YET LINKED TO PIZZAGATE NETWORK??? YOU WANNA BUST HIM DO SOME RESEARCH!!! IDC IF YOUR A DOUCHE NUGGET OR A TRANS QUEIR FROM THE MOON AS LONG AS YOU FREE THE CHILDREN AND HANG THE PEDOS!!!!!

EyeOfHorus ago

BULL SHIT. Seaman is saying its him on a youtube video. WTF is wrong with you that you are asking for ID?

Seaman isn't perfect but he's raising PG awareness more than you have ever done.

Millennial_Falcon ago

He didn't link any tweet or video in the post, so how was I supposed to know? He also didn't include a LINK in his repost, so I didn't notice him mentioning at the top that he tweeted about it. Then when someone in comments pointed it out, I immediately pinged him and asked him to repost.

ploppy ago

Nice to see this getting the downvoats it deserves

nowiknow ago

@Millennial_falcon

David is an unhinged, useful idiot (As you can see from the "hit piece" voat post on him from yesterday.)

David did not post proof on the post. In the first post, he may have tweeted about it, but he never included it in the post. You asked him to provide proof next time, and deleted his post. Fair. Its the rules.

What sucks is that David will use this to further his crying agenda. He knows that claiming "censorship" or crying wolf about getting killed soon gets more buzz than just posting research with facts to educate his folllowers.

He made the video to smear voat, when in reality, you were doing your job and following the rules. David didn't link his tweet in either of the posts.

FOR THOSE WHO SAY THE MOD SHOULD HAVE CHECKED HIS TWTTR HIMSELF: wrong. David needs to link verification so casual readers know it is him too! It's not just so the mods know, its so the readers know its him too. Not everyone follows david, or knows his twitter. Verification links is crucial and a part of the rules.

David, quit your fuckin bitching. Quit crying wolf, you arent gonna get killed from podesta's goons when all you do is pout.

If you would educate your followers with facts, instead of sensational tweets, you would do better for the movement.

gangpressorliber ago

YOU ARE A NARCISSISTIC MORON RAGING THAT YOU'VE BEEN CHALLENGED BY A SUCCESSFUL YET CONTROVERSIAL NARCISSIST AND IT MAKES YOU FEEL SMALL!

nowiknow ago

uhh nope.. just calling it how it is bro. i dont want fame from this lol. its clear that seaman does. https://twitter.com/d_seaman/status/831331430433034240

gangpressorliber ago

ROFL IT's BOTH OF THEM THEN!!!

NoBS ago

You are making it personal. Your post is a childish character assassination which is deflection of his Topic. This is an act of desperation that is text book Psychological Warfare. It also exposes your agenda. Try not to make it so personal if you wish to hide your true intentions. Good Luck.

ploppy ago

Also, MF should move this to Pizzagate mods. Rule 1. amiright?

Millennial_Falcon ago

Nope. Seaman is considered pizzagate media, so this satisfies rule 1.

Neinerr ago

Really? So then why you have deleted my concerning post regarding david seaman in the earlier days? Im the guy who bring to light Dyncorp, I am the Freed0mfighter.

ploppy ago

Oh I see, one rule for you, another for the rest of us. I have had posts deleted for way less than this. Hypocrite. This does not relate to the investigation. Power corrupts absolutely.

Millennial_Falcon ago

Our pizzagate definition post clearly states that media (including potential coverup/disinfo) is relevant.

ploppy ago

How about I start a thread called is MF biased and trying to divide Pizzagate? That would also fit the definitions right? Lets see how long it lasts...

ploppy ago

Lets not make this drag on. For the good of the community, MF should step down even if he is right IMO. This is bigger than either of them.

azziP ago

Please "discuss" your little fight in /pizzagatemods. I don't care about your little fight at all and I assume so do many others. It's not directly pizzagaterelated.

noKnowthing3313214 ago

Can we look into changing the MODs?

Who are the most un-shill members of the community willing to replace current mods?

gangpressorliber ago

I nominate Seaman!

cantsleepawink ago

Here we go.

witch_doctor1 ago

Millenial_Falcon, you are the only one smearing voat...and yes, you did let a lengthy attack post with multiple mysterious upvotes overnight stand while immediately deleting David's threads without bothering to check his Twitter feed that I linked to while he was simultaneously using Twitter...that is verification.

David is a very public PG figure and is not familiar with the posting rules...it was clearly him and you could have verified that within about 2.5 seconds had you wanted to. What's your beef with David? And why are you singlehandedly making the forum you moderate look bad in a very public manner? How did your heavy handed modding benefit this forum or the PG cause?

23eulogy23 ago

If david seaman is such a prominent member of the PG community why does he not even have an account here until today?

V____Z ago

He is NOT the only mod with a beef against David.

NoBS ago

FailCON is helping expose just how corrupt VOAT really is. Even bad news is useful.

cantsleepawink ago

Seaman isn't helping the reputation of voat either. A shame, as this should be a symbiotic relationship. Without a serious research community behind him like voat, all his protestations that 'Podesta is a pedophile' would amount to nought. I hope we get the bar room brawl over soon and get back to work.

V____Z ago

How on earth does Seaman have any impact on the reputation of Voat? He's never aligned himself with it until opening an account today.

cantsleepawink ago

C h e c k h i s T w i t t e r.....

gangpressorliber ago

Spot on. Spot on.

derram ago

https://archive.is/zkVZV :

David Seaman on Twitter: "The mod of Voat's pizzagate community is acting unfairly toward you all. My apologies, I did NOT delete either of my posts there this a.m. t.co/T7ygjqhyRz"

This has been an automated message.

gangpressorliber ago

True.dat

gangpressorliber ago

Word

SeamanModsFakeWar ago

This violates rule 1 and rule 4 by your definitions

(see past deletions which have a question as a title, and deletions which Seaman is the topic of)

But beyond your hypocrisy, this is an incredibly manufactured attempt to distance yourselves (mods) from Seaman, while anyone who's been here for a while knows you both are the kings of disinformation. We're not dumb.

You guys are idiots. Fuck you.

edit: oh, and lots of comments like these around https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1451468/7012360

gangpressorliber ago

u pedos got so many rules.

Millennial_Falcon ago

this is an incredibly manufactured attempt to distance yourselves (mods) from Seaman

Bullshit. If you take a look at what took place, Seaman posted a rule-4 violation post with no verification it was him, then he reposted mentioning that he confirmed through Twitter (which I didn't notice at first because: no link), so I removed again (again asking for verification), then HE tweeted saying VOAT MODS UNFAIR.

Guys, this thread is full of shills trying to smear mods (disrupt, deny, discourage strategy).

ploppy ago

I dont really care about all that shit but your post breaks rule 1. move to mod section or you are a hypocrite.

Millennial_Falcon ago

Seaman is pizzagate media, so no this doesn't violate rule 1.

SeamanModsFakeWar ago

Well, a post about him got removed because "rule 1" here https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1643074

Also, are you him? https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1627561/7950358

SeamanModsFakeWar ago

" said the angry little man, as he continued to deny, proudly wearing his [M] badge that made him feel so powerful on the online forum.

David_Seaman ago

The message to you voat would not let me send, due to "insufficient points."

You're showing your colors here. Why are you stirring up trouble and division, RATHER THAN LEAVING UP MY POST SO I CAN DEFEND MYSELF, which violated no user's privacy nor did it violate anything. I have confirmed my identity beyond any reasonable doubt.

UNFAIR.

sandernista_4_TRUMP ago

David you are unhinged. The mods may sometimes be unfair, but in this case you're being a bitch. You need to work on your style and your persuasion skills. You lost the status of "journalist" in many people's eyes because you are disorganized and hysterical and are therefore a toxic variable in this entire movement. You are just a shitposter like the rest of us, you aren't anyone special so stop acting like the world is against you. Infowars wouldn't even hire you because you are just too fucking bitchy.

Precipitate ago

You're a fucking hack. You do no investigation, you just report on the same few bits of months old info over and over and most of your videos are just you ranting or shilling. You make the community look bad, especially now that you appear to be becoming unhinged.

Piscina ago

David, ignore the haters. Just keep doing what you're doing. You're shining the light on something that needs to be known to people. We all have different strengths--some at investigating; some getting the message out. We need everyone on board, even those whose approach we may sometimes disagree with. I for one am grateful for what you do.

Singleservename ago

Whining bitching calling everything unfair, talking about himself relentlessly like the cuck he is all the while misappropriating others' labors for his own jewtube glory and jewgle ads.

Yep this has to be the real @$$hole called kikeface Semen.

gas yourself now profiteering parasite.

sawn ago

Do you ever stop whining?

wecanhelp ago

The message to you voat would not let me send, due to "insufficient points."

Seriously? And you would still screenshot it and reference it in a tweet that is to criticize a mod's reaction whom you, as it turns out, haven't even contacted? I think you are showing your true colors here, David, and this is coming from someone who had supported and defended you before against attacks by the community.

...which violated no user's privacy nor did it violate anything.

Except for the Submission Requirements, a.k.a. the rules of this subverse that we equally judge every single submission against, and which you apparently didn't bother to read.

I have confirmed my identity beyond any reasonable doubt.

No, you haven't. As @Millennial_Falcon has said, all it would have taken is a link to your tweet confirming your identity, but you haven't provided any links whatsoever. Your post, without a single link pointing to anything, is an instant delete for any mod really, as it is guaranteed to violate either rule 2 or rule 4 regardless of its content.

I must say your behavior recently has been beyond suspicious.

V____Z ago

Sorry, you can claim to be unbiased with regard to David, but I have seen you delete posts that linked to his videos, based on the rule that everything needs to be explained, whilst leaving non-David-related posts up that violated the same rule - and I mean these posts were submitted at the same time, roughly, so I have to assume there was some bias. Though this is not possible for me to prove.

MF told David he needed to prove who he was in order for his post to stand. Then goalposts changed.

I posted proof that was required, and that was deleted too, by MF himself, which is truly bad form since there is a conflict of interest (he was a subject of the video).

Voat is going to quickly be outed as compromised unless you all pretend to be unbiased. None of us are, but you've got to fake it a little bit better.

wecanhelp ago

Though this is not possible for me to prove.

If you're gonna accuse me of selective moderation, then you might as well collect your proof the next time. It's not so hard, there's this magical function called bookmarking in your browser, and also, removal logs are freely available to everyone.

V____Z ago

I can prove what you removed, but not the ones you let stand that were posted at the same time. And even if I did, i could not prove that you actually saw those posts.

But you've already admitted that you no longer support david by claiming you once did. So you are not impartial and should probably leave these threads for those mods who are.

wecanhelp ago

But you've already admitted that you no longer support david by claiming you once did. So you are not impartial...

I don't have to be impartial as long as my responses to him are fact-based, which they are.

V____Z ago

This is the problem, I feel the community would agree. You really should stay away from moderating posts by or about someone you are biased against. You know as well as the rest of us that facts can be spun either way, and it is what you leave out often times that makes bias a problem. The fact that you would argue for your right to engage here as a mod, when you e admitted to being against David (or, no longer on his side) reveals the exact problem, and why Voat is soon going to have a terrible reputation. David's videos can get 27K hits in an afternoon. I'm not in love with the guy, I'm stating a fact to support my contention that there are repercussions to the mods behviour here, and I would recommend staying on the side of caution and to refrain from engaging u less you're truly dispassionate, so you can think straight.

Please read all the comments here, and look at the up votes on David's comment. You and MF are in the minority. Do you care?

wecanhelp ago

No, I don't particularly care. Popular is not necessarily right. I stand by my statement that you don't need to be opinionless in order to moderate fairly and according to a checklist. This post was violating rules. It was removed as a result. Had it complied with the rules, the post wouldn't have been removed, regardless of whether I agree with it or not. I would have, as a user and not as a mod, downvoted it, but that's as far as my expression of opinion would have gone. As far as opinions go, it is also my opinion that the board should be moderated according to rules, and impartially, and it is a stronger one than anything I think about Seaman. It is sort of a moot point to argue about this, though, as you're convinced I couldn't keep a cool head independently of my opinion, and I'm convinced I can. Cheers.

gangpressorliber ago

Jackasery!

gangpressorliber ago

THATS THE WAY IT IS AROUND HERE YOU GOTTA TAKE IT UP THE BUTT FOR AWHILE BEFORE YOU CAN BE A BIG MAN LIKE FALCON AND DISH IT OUT TO OTHERS!! LOLZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Beginning to wonder about the rules myself. did they come from color coded halls or something......

NoBS ago

Falcon's ass, and does it stink!

Millennial_Falcon ago

You're showing your colors here. Why are you stirring up trouble and division

Pot calling the kettle black. Your Tweet calling us "unfair" and trying to make us look biased against you was completely unnecessary. All you had to do was reply to me in a comment (no direct message necessary). I also pinged you after I saw your tweets, and asked you to repost, but you still haven't. Issue a retraction tweet concerning your "voat mods being unfair" tweet, and we'll be all good (I will delete this post and write a neutral post about our misunderstanding). And please repost your post.

sawn ago

Welcome to David Seaman. As everyone who's ever worked with him will tell you, it only gets worse.

gangpressorliber ago

@$$HAT!

NoBS ago

Quote: Pot calling the kettle black. Your Tweet calling me "unfair" was completely unnecessary." end quote Millennial Flake. You are acting like a spoiled child having a temper tantrum. Sometimes the truth just plain sucks. Have a nice day.

Millennial_Falcon ago

LOL. Seaman says "waaaaa, unfaiiiiiiir" and I'm the spoiled child?

NoBS ago

Temper tantrum level. Yes, very immature for a Mod. You are why this site sucks, get off your high horse.

witch_doctor1 ago

Nope...I agree with David...you delete two threads when it would have been so easy to check his twitter feed and now you want him to submit a 3rd thread? Unfair was a fair way to describe it.

eiggaMAD ago

It should have been David's responsibility to provide proof.

witch_doctor1 ago

He did....keep up. Falcon stepped up and did the right thing and re-posted the thread. Kudos to Falcon.

eiggaMAD ago

I meant more along the lines of providing the proof in his post, not on his Twitter feed. It's not a voat mods job to check his Twitter.

nnfx ago

I also understand, why David felt treated unfair, but Millennial Falcon tried to explain what went wrong here and offers a handshake. Now it's about David not to be unforgiving.

Thrash57 ago

Seaman is right, he did confirm the post was From him on his twitter. And here on Voat where we are against censorship, the man has a right to defend himself if you are going to let post after post attack him.

Edit: whether or not you believe he is a shill, does not mean he cant defend himself. He does have a job that relies on the veracity of his claims, and he should be allowed to defend both his career and his claims.

V____Z ago

I said the same thing, posting yet more proof that it is him, and that too was deleted... BY MF! Voat is massively compromised. Allows hit pieces on David Seaman, but not his response

Vindicator ago

Moderators have to remove dozens of shitposts from here every day; expecting them to be hanging out on twitter is unrealistic.

Also, Mr. Seaman is welcome to defend himself in the comment section of any and every post he wants to. He is free to explain or debunk any concern about him expressed by a Voater at any time. The opportunity to have that dialogue in order to get to the truth is why moderators volunteer hours of their free time daily to keep this subverse open and functioning.

If we ever hope to drain the swamp our once democratic republic has become, we need to be able to freely critique our leaders and public figures and have an open dialogue. The fact that Mr. Seaman and many who follow him would rather wage ad hominem attacks against Voat moderators for holding him to submission requirements we require everyone to meet is telling.

NotHereForPizza ago

Well, it looks like you guys need to document everything to prove it to us.

What's the next step for you guys? Unfortunately, although quite taxing, prove him wrong by documenting the fuck out of everything.

Want the community to stay on your side? Bust your asses and make him look like a fool, instead of sending walls of text back and forth, arguing with the community.

You've made fair points for the most part. Don't misunderstand. My trust is waning with Seaman. But, I think the mod team has to shoulder the burden of proof. It's your platform he's using, after all.

Please, please, prove me and him wrong.

Vindicator ago

NotHere, prove what to you? That moderators are fair? That moderators are not "compromised"?

Everything we do here on Voat is open for all to see: removed submissions, comment histories, ratio of upvoats to downvoats. @David_Seaman is the author of his own problems. All we have done is allow posts that satisfy submission guidelines, and remove those that do not. Seaman did not follow the submission guidelines by linking to anything to support the claims made in the headlines of his posts, the most basic rule of this subverse. His headline was "David Seaman Here." Millennial_Falcon removed his post like he has done to hundreds of others for the same reason, and asked him to repost with a link that supported that claim. Seaman provided no link. He added more unsourced discussion of a tweet, a single line of text. Posts that fail Rule 4 -- unsourced discussion -- are easy to see because they are walls of text with no blue links -- exactly what Seaman reposted. So, Falcon removed it again, in the midst of the typical morning shitpost street-sweeping effort.

Seaman's post wasn't the only one that failed to meet submission guidelines, by the way. Neither did the the piece critiquing him the first time it was posted last night, with a headline claiming he was a "Likely Mossad Asset". I removed it. The Voater reposted an edited version that complied with the guidelines, and it stayed. We applied the same standards to both parties.

As @Kevdude and @Crensch will attest, it is not our job as moderators to remove posts because the subject discussed in them might think them "unfair." If the claims made by the post are linked to supporting evidence and satisfy all the submission guidelines, we must leave them up due to Voat's minimal-moderation anti-censorship policy. It's up to users to challenge one-sided or false-premise or poorly supported arguments in comments and with downvoats. That's how it is here. If one side doesn't want to invest the effort to defend its point of view, including by following the submission guidelines, then the other side will stand unopposed. For better or worse, that's how the system is set up.

Crensch ago

Fucking well said, old boy.

NotHereForPizza ago

We can go back and forth on this as much as you want.

Like I said in the beginning, the way to defend yourself is making a stickied post outlining everything in a complied, neat little post.

Hold our hand through it if you have to. I don't think there's much wrong in urging you to go beyond the call of duty. It might seem backwards. I understand that, but your best defense is still gonna be going out of your way to prove him wrong. This back and forth between you and I will do nothing to maintain your credibility. This isn't a discussion you and I should be having, it's a discussion you and Voat should be having.

As a side note: I find it extremely contradicting that most people here are against censorship, but when I insist that the moderation team be transparent, even so far as to make a case for themselves using their moderation powers to make a post devoted to doing so, instead of sitting in the comments arguing with people, I see people jumping down my throat. My only point was to keep them honest. Also, it's certainly unwelcoming that you would bring other people into this with the sole intent of attacking my character. My claims are in no way invalid because of my recent participation. It's pretty telling, if anything, that people are now trying to shut me up.

Crensch ago

3-day-old username with 8ccp telling us what to do, and what our community will do...

You are MASSIVELY insignificant.

Crensch ago

That's only when it's a fallacy. You are, quite literally, insignificant here. You're a troll or sockpuppet account whose comfort and consideration here is worth precisely dick.

NotHereForPizza ago

I understand you think that. But, argumentum ad hominem is about claiming an argument doesn't have merit due to the character of the individual who purposed the argument.

I don't care what you or the rest of the community thinks of me, I'm here to help all of us come to honest conclusions about a given argument. If that upsets you, fine.

Crensch ago

I understand you think that. But, argumentum ad hominem is about claiming an argument doesn't have merit due to the character of the individual who purposed the argument.

Your concerns have no merit because you fit the profile of every concern troll out there. As such, welcome to the internet where that's not a fallacy.

I don't care what you or the rest of the community thinks of me, I'm here to help all of us come to honest conclusions about a given argument. If that upsets you, fine.

...claims every troll fuck I've come across here.

wecanhelp ago

Aren't the links to his two posts enough documentation for you of him failing to post a link to his identity verification?

Isn't it telling that instead of simply doing that, he goes out of his way to smear /v/pizzagate moderators both on Twitter and YouTube, with a screenshot of a private message to a moderator that he himself admits to have never sent after all?

NotHereForPizza ago

He didn't follow the rules - suck it up. You're better off ignoring what he has to say.

Make a new post and sticky it. Make the title: "Exposing David Seaman" or whatever you want. But, in the post include his argument, your argument, and then provide the documentation to back it up. You're wasting your time waging war in the comment sections. If you're going to moderate, moderate. Don't bicker, it's a direct betrayal to everyone involved in this situation at every level.

At some point, someone has to should the responsibility of going through and proving it at every stage. Your mistake (if you keep ignoring it) will be not doing it first, especially if you keep dodging the opportunity to definitively prove yourself and instead continue this arbitrary bickering. Take the high road.

wecanhelp ago

I don't see this as bickering. This is not your everyday rule-violating post that gets deleted and then that's it. He has tried smearing the mod team on two platforms, with a 100k+ following on each. As I see it, we need to address his points and then let the public decide for themselves. But if we don't react, then only his side of the story gets heard.

NotHereForPizza ago

Great. That's the exact thing I've encouraged you to do!

Maybe I'll be more convinced that you maintain any integrity you once had when you actually fulfill that though, because, as of right now, you're still parroting the same shit I've seen from every other mod. If anything, that seems coordinated.

Though, I'd love it if you'd help me be less skeptical.

Millennial_Falcon ago

Again, after I saw his tweets, I asked him to repost.

eiggaMAD ago

Tbh it wasn't even your responsibility to seek out his tweets. Honestly even if you saw them but he didn't provide them to you you really could have not reposted his shit. So good on you for being a decent person, sorry people suck.

David_Seaman ago

I've confirmed that post was me, from my Twitter.

I submitted it a second time, it was deleted by you, a second time.

Most of the posts here do not require a photo identification for them to remain up, correct? Why must mine?

Someone published a baseless character attack against me, which seems to be designed to distract and divide. Why did you leave it up for a day, where many people saw it, yet my posts were deleted shortly after posting them?

I've uploaded my views on this here- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuJs3tBDKqI

You're not moderating this community well.

VictorSteinerDavion ago

You're not moderating this community well.

Sure, I can wear that. Do you have any proposals for structural improvement?

Most of the posts here do not require a photo identification for them to remain up, correct? Why must mine?

I can understand why this would be frustrating, but due to the nature of voat allowing any username to be claimed by anyone; would you prefer we let any monkey using your user name post? possibly misrepresenting you and damaging your cause?.
Another user writing a post critical of you can be addressed, and should be, both in that thread and with it's own post.
I'm unaware if you contacted any of the moderation team to ask what's the best way to rebut and ensure it gets the attention of the community?

yet my posts were deleted shortly after posting them?

Follow the rules, no exceptions. If in doubt, contact me directly and we'll sort something out.

designed to distract and divide

This has been happening from the beginning, and all of the mod team have long been targets for attack, here and in real life. We're also a very small team for a very big topic and it's very hard to keep a lid on the attack campaigns from very well funded agencies.

baseless character attack against me

How about we collectively use this platform to refute that attack? You're welcome to post a refutation and link it to any other web location (twitter/youtube etc) if this medium is insufficient to communicate your message.

wecanhelp ago

I'm saying this again: you have not confirmed your identity in a way that would have been instantly verifiable by a moderator or any reader really. All it would have taken is a link to your tweet in question. We can't make exceptions to the rules, even if you're David Seaman. If we did, then we wouldn't be moderating this community well.

dougG ago

David, with all due respect, why don't you get a real job like the rest of us and stop whoring out Pizzagate on You Tube for Ad Sense dollars. And if you are going to continue to do so, BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE! Do some research and real journalism to forward our cause rather than just repeating research done by others. If its not that its all complaining and whining. You're being lazy, you have a big audience, do some real work, be a revolutionary and help us change the world and put some fuckers in cuffs!

fuckMoloch ago

no not this, I like not having to shift through mountains of bs, while I found the mandella effect and pizzagategear collab sketchy most of what he does is good.

sugarskull ago

This!!

gangpressorliber ago

MAKE A YOU TUBE RANT!!!!!

gangpressorliber ago

WE WILL ALL GET RECOGNITION!! WIN WIN!!! ROFL!

Dressage2 ago

You finally write something and it is this???? Of course, you deleted his post because it violated Rules 1-4! No mercy here from me! Grovel elsewhere.

PizzaGate711 ago

I've read plenty that MF has written expressing his opinion on DS. He dislikes the guy for some reason. Got a feeling it's ego based.

Millennial_Falcon ago

I've written very little on Seaman. I had some minor concerns recently about some stuff he tweeted, and that's it.

gangpressorliber ago

COMPETITIVE NARCISSISM!!!

PizzaGate711 ago

You're tough on Seaman and it's clear in your communications that you dislike him. Job of Mod is to be impartial. Just saying.

NoBS ago

The Mod has emotional baggage and is a conflict of interest. The interest is not making it personal. Failcon is why the medium is compromised.

Millennial_Falcon ago

WTF are you talking about?

Edit: I find his tweet, and the way this played out rather suspicious, and it could just be a misunderstanding, but I have repeatedly offered him a way to de-escalate (as well as repeatedly pinging him before I posted this), and he instead chooses to escalate, saying I've "shown my true colors," and ignoring my peace offering.

gangpressorliber ago

BOOOO!!! BOOO!!!!!

PizzaGate711 ago

David Seaman has immense support and respect in the global pizzagate community. Best not to fight with the big league. Not good for Voat. If I owned Voat I wouldn't want you fighting with David Seaman. Take a break. You sound like you need it.

cantsleepawink ago

His tweets are increasingly turning people off due to his unprofessionalism. So, to say he has such global support is a bit of a stretch. We've been trying to tell him about the effect he is having on some sectors but he prefers to walk his own path. That's fair enough but he's not taking many with him.

PizzaGate711 ago

So be it. Let him walk his own path. I see he has the ability to self correct/admit mistakes. The hostility toward him on voat has made me consider leaving this investigation for good as the level of animosity is insane. Can't reason with it. And I surely am not alone.

cantsleepawink ago

I think all this talk of 'hostility' is overdone. Someone posted a thread about Seaman looking into his background, because he had created so much 'buzz' here on voat with his increasingly erratic posts on twitter in the last few days. Maybe the language in the post was a bit inflammatory. And not surprisingly, Seaman showed up to defend himself. Now the miscommunication (which happens all the time here as most of us know) has blown up. And Seaman is tweeting about voat in a way that I personally think is quite destructive. Am i surprised ? Absolutely not. That is his modus operandi. For sure, we have all sorts of shills in this forum. But voat is definitely one of the better forums in its handling of the inevitable subversion attempts. This is an adult forum. Many of us here do not subscribe to blind adulation or look for 'movement leaders' or even 'thought leaders' as Mr. Seaman recently described himself.

I will explain to you what is happening now. As with all infiltrated grassroots collaborative movements, TPTB will be trying to implode this investigation with arguments, tension, people being indignant and so on. Usually that's enough to finish off a forum like this. But this time, I think the community is too strong. So we have a little fight at the moment. Mr. Seaman can go back to his Twitter and Youtube accounts and we will get back to researching this filthy, corrupt system.

PizzaGate711 ago

You express yourself very well indeed :-))

wecanhelp ago

David Seaman has immense support and respect in the global pizzagate community.

He used to have immense support, including mine. Lately, though, it doesn't seem to me that the community unanimously agrees with you on this one.

PizzaGate711 ago

Well of course support is not across the board unanimous for David. And thank goodness. It would be terribly troubling if we all thought the same wouldn't it. We could have ended up with HRC as Pres and John Podesta or Huma Abedin et al as Chief of Staff. Yes we can fault him. We can call him out for his mistakes. He is human. And he is clearly, as I see it, working for the greater good. He's a great amplifier and he has an immense following. Blatantly attack him and you only weaken pizzagate and voat.

V____Z ago

They're weakening Voat, but not pizzagate. We can all fuck off to another forum just as we did after Reddit.

PizzaGate711 ago

Yep, but what's left?

V____Z ago

There are websites popping up devoted to pizzagate, when the demand is high enough, one or more of them could add a discussion section, perhaps?

gangpressorliber ago

BOOO!!!!

OhRutherfordBehave ago

Oh fuck you Falcon. All you've done is delete my posts. STFU

Millennial_Falcon ago

Stop forum sliding. If your post breaks the rules, it will get deleted. It's not that hard to follow the rules.

NoBS ago

Are you serious? You should just go on a delete rampage like a spoiled rotten child you really are!

Mighty huge horse you got there Mad Mod, step away or ban me.

gangpressorliber ago

STOP YOUR SHENANIGANS!!!!! OR WE'LL ALL GET BROOMS!!!!!!!!!!

SeamanModsFakeWar ago

The rules are arbitrary. Sometimes things get deleted because "this has been discussed" (not written anywhere as a rule). Sometimes not.

Millennial_Falcon ago

Bullshit.

gangpressorliber ago

FIRST THING YOU GOT RIGHT FALCON!!!! THIS IS TOTAL BULLSHIT AND IT"S GOTTA STOP!!!

SeamanModsFakeWar ago

Upvoat

Dressage2 ago

Upvoat!! Best today!