Do they get invited to the WH? The hotard and chickenlover stuff is why peeps began to ask questions. I find it nutz Obama would invite this guy to the WH or that Podesta would associate at all with him w/o cleaning up his instagram acct since it makes for an easy hit piece.
But these people are making these inappropriate comments on pictures of young KIDS and BABIES, if you cant see anything wrong with tha and just think their "innocent" jokes/remarks then you need to find God my friend.
@sec137: You say "I'd grab my weapon and stage a coup, leak like a sieve, commandeer the airwaves, absolutely anything and everything--among dozens like me. If "FBI Anon" were real we he'd be a shameful pussy." - How about beginning to leak??? If you are really concerned, you could do more to help us.
EDIT: you say we are heading in the wrong direction. To be able to say that, you must know the "right" direction. Why not tell us?
Whoever he is, and whatever his agenda is, he repeated one message over and over, and I totally agree: "you have to shit test, shit test, shit test your hunches and direction". This is good advice.
So you know people that find sexual/subversive jokes about kids entertaining? every person I know that has been shown the brief of this investigation finds it
All utterly fucking sickening NOT entertaining! You and the people you know might be a new lead....
"From a law enforcement point of view, there is nothing alarming or suspect in the District police declaring the investigation is closed before they did any looking into your evidence. Because there's no reasonable suspicion, and they know what actual pedophile rings look like. This is the same with the press--there's nothing suspect in their calling something debunked when it's illogical and non-actionable on its surface. But the New York Times did entertain it enough to report a rundown of the claims. This is far beyond what is to be expected of them, really."
So you obviously aren't aware of what happened in the UK? Sir Jimmy Savile, Sir Cyril Smith, Sir Peter Haymen, Sir Greville Janner, etc. 5 decades of horrific child abuse, countless rumours, MI5 vetting of knighthoods lead to no police action and no major news stories. Sorry, I have no faith in the establishment to police itself. As far as i am concerned the Podesta's taste in art is enough to alert child protection.
1, if investigations are compartmentalized, how can you know there is no investigation as a random unaffiliated investigator. Your logic contradicts itself. Consider too the possibility investigators are withholding information for when Jeff Sessions takes control of the DoJ, to ensure prosecution.
2, if the investigation is being carried out in secrecy, you would be unable to know anything about it.
3, the last FBI anon was obviously a LARPer. I don't believe the first FBI anon was even FBI himself, yet his predictions were somewhat accurate, I'm assuming he was a member of another intelligence agency, not the FBI, either american or foreign. Or, if pizzagate really is fake, a priming manoeuvre ahead of the leaks, and the whole thing is a brilliant propaganda operation.
4, I think so far there is no conclusive evidence this is about child trafficking, could just be old-fashioned corruption or auctioning off state secrets and intelligence, I'm confident we'll find out because if Trump fails to guarantee prosecution, the foreign intelligence agencies concerned and maybe even individuals around the world will leak the rest of the hacked information.
Why does the OP care if we are barking up the wrong tree? If we in fact are barking up wrong tree, wouldn't someone with OP's inside knowledge just sit back and enjoy us chasing our tails?
If I have post a pic of a bong and hashtag it I need herb will u first exhaust all other herbs that might be smoked? We've even uncovered codewords not on the fbi list. You fucking prick
Ignore this person whose post shouldn't even be on here bc it lends zero to the investigation. "She" is a fraud. For someone who thinks we are all barking up the wrong tree, nothing going on, etc, she sure spent alot of time on her post. Deflection attempt. All they have at this point.
What about this email OP? How do you explain this one? I was always dubious about the code word list - but this email thread lept off the page before I even heard of pizzagate https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/55433
"NYPD detectives and a NYPD Chief, the department’s highest rank under Commissioner, said openly that if the FBI and Justice Department fail to garner timely indictments against Clinton and co- conspirators, NYPD will go public with the damaging emails now in the hands of FBI Director James Comey and many FBI field offices."
I would content you know less because of that article or that you know things that aren't.
Like the OP mentions about an FBI agent, it's simply not plausible that a NYPD chief who has inside information and wants to rock the boat would not go to an actual influential media source like the many who are headquarted in NYC.
yes, but the FBI went through those prior to the election. That review is finished. The majority of them were emails they had looked at months earlier. Duplicates.
If this is a post is "from a place of empathy", then why does OP feel the need to then tell her readers that they do "bad investigating"? Why try lecture us on "facts" and "fake news" when you're just trying to do us a favor? Honestly, it seems like OP is the one that needs to start doing the research.
I am calling this total BS!
Trump tweeted about trafficking, ect a few years ago. Trump is on this!
Arrests have been happening, so try again!
If you are telling the truth then why hide your identity!
Hey, dude.. I'm ABSOLUTELY SUSPICIOUS OF CLAIMS OF CLINTONS being arrested, but There were ALREADY arrests announced today (glen beck announced).... So... STFU.
Right? What a broad shilly statement too. Pizzagate is merely a hashtag we use whenever someone uncovers evidence for the existence of (1) pervert pedophiles (2) religious/satanic pedophiles and (3) child trafficking scumbags in it for the blackmail $$$. What exactly about Pizzagate does she think is not real about any of that?
I can't speak for the OP.
Maybe some of us are here because we consider pizzagate to be real, but are nonetheless to scientific minded to blindly believe. Questioning everything is what brought us here. If we can not have an open discussion about our doubts, we will never know where our evidence is weak.
Thank you for taking the time and writing all this. I would love to see a more serious / scientific approach to the investigation myself.
From what I know, the term "chickenlover" was identified as legitimate gay/pedo slang term very early on. The whole pizza/pasta/cheese code has always been speculative. People in the investigating community seem to have the tendency to forget that. Unfortunately there is a confirmation loop, where occurrences of speculative code words create a suspicion, that is then confirmed by the occurrence of the same code words somewhere else.
This is only going to be worse in the future, since we are starting to see the use off pizza and ping pong themes in commercials. (e.g. Pizza Hut and DHS)
If the code words have not been in use before, they surely are now.
If you'd been following,you'd know that the word 'chicken lovers' was also referenced in a book relating to child porn. Go away, you're wasting our time.
Just today someone posted an old book mentioning chicken as code. I also went directly to cP from a real pizza place site from Chicago called Giordanos. They hashtagged a lil girl pic #foodporn, it's not hard to spot bro
I'm aware of the historic use of the slang term chicken and its variations. What I want is a source for the implied pizzagate code lingo other than the Podesta emails. Two source principle. Let me be clear, I'm on board with the investigation, I just really want this to be solid, waterproof.
Well you're not so inexperienced that you don't post at ungodly hours when mods aren't around to delete your post that breaks all the rules. You are probably not a paid shill because they usually don't write so much. You are a sincere shill who disdains the people not in the know. When you're not an insider, you take the scraps you get and see if they might be worth anything. I would rather believe that I am a nutcase who got this whole thing wrong and I just need to get some Xanax and stay away from the computer. But if we are not right on the money in fact, we are correct about the sick social gestalt and psyche of corruption and abuse of children.
Why don't you stick around and take look at some of the more recent digging being done here. While I agree with a few of your points, you seem to be a victim of your own biases, based on what you've relayed in this post anyways. NYTimes didn't do any investigation, they set up a strawman and knocked it down. That has been the 'source' of information for every subsequent article from snopes to Wikipedia.
Have you not read any of the pedosta emails? And if so, are you going to sit there with a straight face and tell me they aren't using codewords?
You spend a lot of time telling us that we are on the wrong tract. If you are who you say you are maybe you should look at what are facts . You lost me as an expert by telling us " Nothing to see here,move along". Not sure what your credentials but I am retired Law enforcement. I know that given all the evidence that has been exposed related to Pizzagate I would be mandated to report it officially!. So knock off your bullshit!
Somebody today was trying to argue that he could find no evidence that Hillary Clinton wasn't see in public since the inauguration. She went to a Broadway play this week, the Today Show did a piece about her next plans, etc. All evidence you could find in a few minutes.
I saw many people swallowing FBI Anon on the_donald, and I found this place by searching FBI Anon and saw people here buying it as well.
What is the bulk that's not baseless? I've not said pedophilia rings are a fiction. And from my reading, the majority of people here believe the foundational bullshit that is "sauce" and "pasta" and "cheese," etc.
That's easily disprovable you shill moron. No one mentions pasta and sauce at all. Did u know that in prison they'll bash our your teeth and fuck your mouth? It'll be Friday everydAy for you
I find it hard to argue against everything you've said except for the comment stating, "the idea that people are being paid to post negative things here / ridiculous", I can assure you there are paid posters not only on Voat but on every single populated board on the internet.
As an aside, curious to know what you would say of Sandy Hook. Real or Hoax?
It was real. The shooter was a 6 foot tall, 112 lb. male. What, you don't think that's possible? On an anorexia site, I found a girl who was 5'11" and 112 lbs.....closest I could find. She was in rough shape...hard to imagine her donning body armor, packing an arsenal while busting down doors and pulling off a kill ratio no trained military or law enforcement could ever dream of. Other than her, I found a story on the news that was released after Sandy Hook....about a man 5'8" who weighed 79 lbs, he was a fitness freak with a daily regiment of 2000 sit ups. Amazing.....and its not like our news is theater or anything. Those stories on the news are true. A witness at the Pulse Night Club shooting saw a "bullet bigger than your finger" sticking out of his friend's leg. The .223 bullets in an AR15 are about as big as your pinky nail. But no, our news couldn't be just theater.....could it? BTW, "flagrante delicto" in Latin means "caught in the act" or "caught red handed"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dqjjASSWo
Have an upvoat sir! Yes of Course everything on the news is real and of course I believe everything they say is real 😂 Yea right.. just as real as steel beams getting "too hot" in 9/11.
Without re-arguing details of 9/11, you do know that that fireproofing of structural steel is an entire industry right? That it's part of construction codes all over the world? That it's been known for decades what happens if you build large structures of bare steel and a fire occurs and the steel gets too hot? In the 1960's there was a massive fire at a convention center in Chicago. The steel had some fireproofing but the main floor did not have sprinklers which would have helped keeped temperatures down. The whole ceiling of this steel structure collapsed in the fire.
And these people don't just do their charades on camera....for centuries, they've been doing live performances in public and that's still a key factor to their game. Speaking of Sandy Hook...when that Halbig character went to the school board meeting to ask some valid questions....the "news" had already framed anyone like him a "conspiracy theorist" and crazy with their contrived broadcasts......then at the meeting, there were actors....one guy dressed up in a tri corner hat, acting the fool....and of course the "news" showed him raising a Gadsden flag (don't tread on me) up the flagpole in front of the building. Inside, weird guy befriended Halbig and sat next to him...Halbig unaware of the wicked games that are played acted cordially. When it came time to talk....freak dude got up before Halbig and had the same questions but sounded like an idiot. Then Halbig got up with his questions....then another woman there got up with the same concerns and kept going on about her "mental illness" she suffered from.......and the last to speak was a well dressed authoritative figure to close, framing the whole picture of Halbig's concerns as absurd. Viola! Magick! The illusion was cast...the image created. But if you accuse them of colluding on that, they will lie and call you crazy. In days of old it was called witchcraft....but people don't know that...because those same witches have cast the illusion through programming of what witchcraft is. Such as Colbert, talking about the supbowl coin toss where the coin didn't actually flip...it went up and it came right back down.....his script read "100 years ago they'd of burned you at the stake for witchcraft".....the connotation being that's what witchcraft is/was. No, what Colbert just did...casting the illusion witch craft is something other than what it is.....that is what witch craft is. lol
Or Benghazi was a protest over an internet video....Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, Putin shot down a passenger jet, Assad used chemical weapons on school children, Trump is a racist, Obama got Osama, and on and on. lol Yeah, it really is make believe, damn near everything on the news....with many decades of psychological research behind what is produced and aired. There, you can see how things tie together, with Sigmund Freud's nephew Edward Bernays being so involved with deception through broadcast clear back to Woodrow Wilson....and the Podesta's staying at another relative of Freud's over in Portugal. Anyways...its complicated to try and explain...would have to make a whole book!! lol But here's another example from just the other day.....is it by chance these two "news stories" were aired same day in different parts of the country? The stories hold a lot of subliminal connotation....a certain type of person is being portrayed as cool......and the whole thing is to endear the viewers to the current public school system that's in place. Currently, people see that and think its just an inside look to something that happened....when its usually a scripted and staged event. Even with Obama on the Kimmel show doing slow jam....people think he just showed up to visit and did that on the fly.....nope, its scripted and rehearsed, designed for your brainwashing pleasure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-13FOHGRcA&feature=youtu.be
There are people at the Bu with PTSD from what they saw in Connecticut, and there is nothing in Sandy Hook truth that can't be disproved. I am not at the teat of the establishment--I do what I do because since I was a kid I've been unable to tolerate injustice, my hero was Robin Hood--but there's nothing to the Sandy Hook stories. "Inconsitencies" and "proof" are easily explained. I'm not as immediately conversant with it though, i.e. my memory as to the specifics isn't great. As is obvious, I have a thing for reading about conspiracies. I read about that one long ago.
The "shills" being paid to post are evident when you know what you're looking for. I have baited several into conversation, then went a direction that could yield immediate response from someone not operating with a rule-book. However, in several instances I have seen a time frame of 1.5 hours for a response. Apparently that is the time frame involved in getting new initiative response from their superior/superiors.
A glaring realization of the SH event is the following (which gets deleted in many forums I post it within). The following is a post that I have copied to put out on as many channels as I can. It has even been deleted here on Voat, so don't expect it to stay long...
The SH production is the most censored event I've come across. I won't even type out the word because it will be automatically blocked from view. I will post this here, but it will probably get deleted or you won't be able to see it.
That is from a .gov website. It is not doctored and written in plain English.
Pay special attention to page 5 & 6. The "Rule of Construction" means "how to interpret this document".
RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in this section shall be construed to prohibit the Department of State or the Broadcasting Board of Governors from engaging in ANY MEDIUM OR FORM OF COMMUNICATION, either directly or indirectly, because a United States domestic audience is or may be thereby exposed to program material, or based on a presumption of such exposure.
Mass shootings (1982-2008) 42 mass shooting
Mass shootings starting Dec. 14 2011 to present - 22 (The day after this bill went into effect. See date at bottom of bill and know it takes exactly 7 months before a bill can be enacted. if you don't believe me, I will direct you to that information as well)
That is over a 430% increase in mass shootings in the last 3.5 years compared to the previous 30 years.
It's time to finally admit that something is absolutely not right here.
They are being done with actors. Hospitals, churches, police departments and others involved in areas these large scale, highly funded operations have been occurring.
I believe less is more when it comes to hoaxes. 90% of the event is filmed in a studio, then the other 10% takes place in the affected area. When people see squad cars and flashing lights and a few reporters, their memory of events will convince them the stuff they didn't see must have just been taking place somewhere beyond their field of observation.
That's why they always say there were 2 or more hospitals involved. Because when people at hospital 1 think, "Well, I didn't see any of those people" they will assume they were just at the other hospital.
When police say, "I've never seen that guy", they will assume he is with a different department or agency.
These are very concentrated efforts where maybe 30 people are taking the lead roles and making the other 100 or more people believe it's real. Then it gets put on TV and millions believe its real, with actual eye-witnesses testifying to it's authenticity even though they didn't actually see anything that would truly convince a skeptical viewer.
yep, and theater is not just done on the TV, although that opened to door to some powerful magic. For example, that nurse who testified before congress about Saddam's forces. She got up there and cried (Schumer tears) as she told of seeing his forces come into her hospital, stab pregnant women through the stomach and threw babies onto the floor. Several senators there for the scene helped with the act...the "news" aired it and the illusion was created...people believe it...and President Bush went on to use it as a primary talking point to con everyone into war to stop the atrocities....but the nurse wasn't a nurse....she a daughter of an Ambassador.....learning political theater, but never really been to Iraq. Witch craft.
tagging NYT for the best outlet to use makes your 'novel' smell like a stockyard. if this guy was lo level enough have the time or inclination to monitor & post here, he's low enough not to see everything going under fbi's roof. it's common knowledge that different field offices actually go to war with each other to keep other offices out of their business. i wonder if this guy got transferred OUT of the FLA office post-election.
I don't monitor, I read because it's like the Twilight Zone. I'm writing on a Sunday night on my own time because I've seen people so goddamn excited about this coming twilight of the elites. Why the hell wouldn't I have any free time? I'm certainly not busy getting ready to arrest any baby-eating pedophiles.
Shit test what I wrote if it's a stockyard. It's provable. The "codewords," as one example, are not. As I said, the government works for you: file some records requests to determine whether your codewords are real.
im just curious then what you beleive to be a pizza related map?
Im not saying thats enough for any kind of conviction, but I am emphatic that its a matter of profound public safety for the FBI to use their powers - the kind that can find more definitive evidence than an online community might tend to dredge - to verify whether our concerns have merit
And the reasons our concerns have merit is that in successive past scandals - Larry King, Epstein, Hastert - the 'procurer' of the children got hung out to dry without any of the Washington DC clientel going down with them.
If you have any influence at all, would you quit doing crap pdf drops on your vault page? Give your leaks to WikiLeaks who at least knows how to format material so somebody can research it. You all release media like lawyers from the 1800s.
Also, to be clear, I am not believing you are who you say you are. I am using your post for an opportunity to bitch about poor formatting of material.
Did not read all of it because I consider something bullshit with claims like this
Just one question: How do you know there is no investigation? The rest is trivial.
Shills who use Occam's Razer to explain a conspiracy are libtard tier stupid. In a conspiracy you would find Occam's Razor and do something else because people like OP are going to apply it to explain.
As I explained, I am professionally situated. I fully expected people to call bullshit, which is fine. It's an anonymous messageboard I read for entertainment.
You know what your claims imply right? You should have really valid arguments other than: "I'm professionally located"
From my point of view you could be professionally located at CREW.
If there is no investigation we're being duped. That would imply a possibility of civil war. You better think of better arguments than "I'm professionally located so I know the truth and you don't"
If they are duping us. Keeping us busy while trying to find a way to get this over with.
Too much information is out there at this point. Maybe it's to soon to claim a possible civil war but civil unrest will happen if they ignore this imho.
Don't know and I hope it's not happening. But if OP is right and US gov is in the know but have no intent on researching it we have a major problem.
That's why I'm so critical on OP. It would throw everything upside down.
We need to remember shills are trying to make Trump supporters mistrust him so democrats can stage a coup with support of the people. (or something like that, they are trying to destroy trust in Trump for weeks now)
Posts like these could be very harmful. An argument like "I'm professionally located" is not enough in this case imho.
OP can answer, but I don't read her as saying this
But if OP is right and US gov is in the know but have no intent on researching it we have a major problem.
She is not saying the US gov has evidence and are refusing to investigate. OP is saying you've been duped by some guy on 4chan and the community of Trump fans who wanted to believe that guy went off in search of things that could make it real. OP is saying there's no pizzagate investigation because the facts are very far away from the suppositions posited on this board. There's no reasonable suspicion to justify an investigation because the key evidence was made up on the internet.
She also mentioned a few specific failings of the board that are keeping it from having a useful investigation.
One is Maslow's hammer. The quote is
"I suppose it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail."
This is forcing facts into your scenario or not thinking more broadly.
Two. The need to test your theories --- shit test your hunches and direction. Investigations begin with partial information and it's quite easy to get things wrong and if you did, your whole direction can be screwed because of early mistakes that lock you into one perspective. This is why doubt is important.
She mentions scenario lock. How much time have people wasted on this board claiming Comet Ping Pong has a basement. How long did they defend it when contrary evidence appeared.
OP claims there is no investigation. I'm looking forward to the arguments in favor of the claim. I'm not interested in the rest of the bullshit.
The application of Occam's Razor is enough to decide to not poison the brain with the rest of the bullshit. The only people I have seen using it in tinfoil world were libtards or shills.
In science it's applicable because it's based on logic.
In a conspiracy you are working hard to make people think it's something else than it is. You would avoid the easiest solution at all times to avoid being caught, it's just how you should conspire.
If we would apply Occam's Razor to 9/11 it would still be Al Quada.
Have you noticed that people will post Washington Post articles or New York Times article that have valuable information that supports their theories, but claim they're fake news when they publish articles that don't? I've seen it in threads here.
Felt and his compadres leaked to the New York Times.
NYT = Carlos Slim
Carlos Slim = Micro Loans
Micro Loans = Debt
Debt = Default
Default = Bad things to the debtor / Kidneys for repayment / Sex trading / Child Trafficking
Right? Post a working hypothesis on this board and it gets deleted for rule violation. This is a limited hang out and this poster is really naive or shilling if she thinks that's not what's going on here.
May want to go back and research H.R. 5181 ... It's pretty crucial to your argument and you have no idea it exists. Since 12/23/16. You should also research what can happen to a company when there is a change of ownership. Good day, ma'am.
There's also supposed to NYPD sources predicting such an investigation. I live in NY and have mentioned that on it's absurd on its face for a real NYPD source who is willing to rock to board to leak to a place like 4chan when they live in a media capital and would be heard by the most powerful media institutions in the country and they could pick who to go to.
The one with the Louise Bouregois sculpture that is an obvious reference to/play on an historical kook-science concept known as the "arch of hysteria" or "hysteria's arch"; the one created long before the Dahmer photos were ever made public. I have looked into the claims made here,
Your reading skills must be shit, I know you've been around long enough to know this has been discussed MANY times. Why would you lie/misrepresent if you're so certain you're right? Seems everyone against pizzagate are a bunch of pathological liars, OP included. Ive personally pushed #chickenlover as being the only code word that has been proven. Nobody really involved in this investigation would ever tell you the FBI released those words. The FBI released the symbols. The words were guesses on what the fuck they were talking about in some of the emails. You know all this, you've been around shilling long enough, you're just a liar.
You're full of shit. You know damn well that "food code" was all just guessing on what they were talking about, you just choose to push lies to further your agenda. Care to explain how you know the OP is a she? She's a memebr of your team and you just sold her out because you're horrible at what you do?
The whole thing is guessing. And these guesses have hardened into beliefs for many people.
Do you not know people still reference the food code all the time on this board? That it's still a part of the executive summary sticky post? That this is listed on the timeline of major events on the pizzagate wiki.
John Podesta is asked, "Do you think I’ll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?"
I sold out OP? You're terrible at conjecture. Notice how you have gone from question --- How do I know OP is a she? --- to terrible guess. ----She's a member of your team and you just sold her out
No. She identified herself as a woman in one of her posts.
None of those places you named claim that the "food code" was anything other than investigative guess work. Yes, new people and shills still come to this forum and try to push that it's FBI code, they are misinformed or shilling. It's obvious what you're doing here.
What is a handkerchief that seems to be pizza related? If it was just a handkerchief left by someone why would it be necessary to contact people about it rather than just tossing it? Why do they randomly refer to food out of context if they arent speaking in code? Why #chickenlover? Why would James refer to himself as a chicken hawk? Why do you insist a citizen investigation is supposed to be able to provide a abused child when parts of the federal government are working hard to hide it? Don't believe the federal government is doing that? See the Franklin investigation and the finders. Why were their kids being pushed as "entertainment" in a pool party full of adults? Why was the same woman pimping her kid out on webcam? Why was there a little girl taped to a table on JA's instagram? Why do you insist repeatedly discussing the stuff you know isnt solid evidence instead of addressing the stuff that is. It's obvious they were speaking in code, that's where the guessing came in to figure out the code. This is standard investigation procedure. Why do you insist that it isnt?
Dude your argument against the food code contains several references to it.
All the stuff you mention is not "solid evidence." At least not of pedophilia, child trafficking, rape, murder, cannabalism and all the other fantasies people attached to it.
Without the food code = OMG, they are talking about SEX WITH KIDS! then none of the other stuff jumps out. "pimping her kids on webcam?" Ridiculous.
Only Chickenlover in list is plausible. The rest is a completely tendentious forcing of square evidence into your round hole. The hole only seems round because of the food code.
The definition of the words don't have to be the same for them to be talking about trafficking. Every last one of them could be completly different in meaning and some could be nothing. 99% of them could be nothing and the 1 word that is something could mean something completly different than the "food code". You're just too busy trying to create a strawman argument.
Not attempting to create a strawman. I think it's nonsense to pretend people are talking in code because you don't understand references in their emails.
It's called Arguing from Ignorance or Arguing from Incredulity. The idea that a vauge description that you don't understand of a handkerchief you have never seen must be code is very, very far from Occam's Razor
It's obvious they're speaking in code. It's ridiculous you think you can somehow change that. You've done nothing but push this code word strawman since you've got here. I've given you plenty of reasons why it doesn't matter and all you're doing is repeating yourself over and over, never answering any questions. Why are you trolling if you aren't a shill?
SterlingJB ago
Do they get invited to the WH? The hotard and chickenlover stuff is why peeps began to ask questions. I find it nutz Obama would invite this guy to the WH or that Podesta would associate at all with him w/o cleaning up his instagram acct since it makes for an easy hit piece.
goodguy1367 ago
But these people are making these inappropriate comments on pictures of young KIDS and BABIES, if you cant see anything wrong with tha and just think their "innocent" jokes/remarks then you need to find God my friend.
SayWhatNOWAY ago
Exactly! Way too emotional and seems to have a personal stake in getting this story dropped!
archons ago
You wrote all that and still didn't disprove a single thing about pizzagate. Pathetic attempt.
sensitive ago
@sec137: You say "I'd grab my weapon and stage a coup, leak like a sieve, commandeer the airwaves, absolutely anything and everything--among dozens like me. If "FBI Anon" were real we he'd be a shameful pussy." - How about beginning to leak??? If you are really concerned, you could do more to help us.
EDIT: you say we are heading in the wrong direction. To be able to say that, you must know the "right" direction. Why not tell us?
sensitive ago
Whoever he is, and whatever his agenda is, he repeated one message over and over, and I totally agree: "you have to shit test, shit test, shit test your hunches and direction". This is good advice.
goodguy1367 ago
So you know people that find sexual/subversive jokes about kids entertaining? every person I know that has been shown the brief of this investigation finds it All utterly fucking sickening NOT entertaining! You and the people you know might be a new lead....
nomorepepperoni ago
Loretta Lynch, is that you? I'm pretty sure some things have changed since you left...
Rancid_Poncho ago
"From a law enforcement point of view, there is nothing alarming or suspect in the District police declaring the investigation is closed before they did any looking into your evidence. Because there's no reasonable suspicion, and they know what actual pedophile rings look like. This is the same with the press--there's nothing suspect in their calling something debunked when it's illogical and non-actionable on its surface. But the New York Times did entertain it enough to report a rundown of the claims. This is far beyond what is to be expected of them, really."
So you obviously aren't aware of what happened in the UK? Sir Jimmy Savile, Sir Cyril Smith, Sir Peter Haymen, Sir Greville Janner, etc. 5 decades of horrific child abuse, countless rumours, MI5 vetting of knighthoods lead to no police action and no major news stories. Sorry, I have no faith in the establishment to police itself. As far as i am concerned the Podesta's taste in art is enough to alert child protection.
salinaslayer ago
1, if investigations are compartmentalized, how can you know there is no investigation as a random unaffiliated investigator. Your logic contradicts itself. Consider too the possibility investigators are withholding information for when Jeff Sessions takes control of the DoJ, to ensure prosecution.
2, if the investigation is being carried out in secrecy, you would be unable to know anything about it.
3, the last FBI anon was obviously a LARPer. I don't believe the first FBI anon was even FBI himself, yet his predictions were somewhat accurate, I'm assuming he was a member of another intelligence agency, not the FBI, either american or foreign. Or, if pizzagate really is fake, a priming manoeuvre ahead of the leaks, and the whole thing is a brilliant propaganda operation.
4, I think so far there is no conclusive evidence this is about child trafficking, could just be old-fashioned corruption or auctioning off state secrets and intelligence, I'm confident we'll find out because if Trump fails to guarantee prosecution, the foreign intelligence agencies concerned and maybe even individuals around the world will leak the rest of the hacked information.
5, explain Carlos Danger's laptop :)
SayWhatNOWAY ago
Why does the OP care if we are barking up the wrong tree? If we in fact are barking up wrong tree, wouldn't someone with OP's inside knowledge just sit back and enjoy us chasing our tails?
NonexistentNihilist ago
Okay Hillary that's enough internet for the day
Don-Keyhote ago
If I have post a pic of a bong and hashtag it I need herb will u first exhaust all other herbs that might be smoked? We've even uncovered codewords not on the fbi list. You fucking prick
AreWeSure ago
It was a joke. Your description sounds like my friend Mark.
AreWeSure ago
I'm apparently the resident shill. They'll fill you in.
ThePuppetShow ago
Your team of idiots isn't fooling anyone.
AreWeSure ago
Many folks on here already believe many conspiracies.
AreWeSure ago
You know Mark? Sweet guy, but he's a little out there.
AreWeSure ago
Yeah. The symbols have documentation behind them. The code words do not.
Dasistnichtgut ago
Ignore this person whose post shouldn't even be on here bc it lends zero to the investigation. "She" is a fraud. For someone who thinks we are all barking up the wrong tree, nothing going on, etc, she sure spent alot of time on her post. Deflection attempt. All they have at this point.
cantsleepawink ago
I'm wondering why this meta post is even allowed to stay up ? Shouldn't it be in pizzagatewhatever ?
Malignment ago
What about this email OP? How do you explain this one? I was always dubious about the code word list - but this email thread lept off the page before I even heard of pizzagate https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/55433
AreWeSure ago
I think folks don't need more than their friendship. Do you mean JA?
Comet has weird artwork and hosts punk bands and JA's instagram has a whole bunch of stuff. That is the evidence.
AreWeSure ago
Connections are just that connections.
You've proven a bunch of people are connected. Now what?
She points out there is no evidence to show that any of Podesta's emails are about the crimes at the heart of this: pedophila/child trafficking, etc.
AreWeSure ago
Skepticism is valuable. You want law enforcement to employ skepticism.
She is claiming there's not there there.
She said there is no case because there is still to this day, no reasonable suspicion to start a case.
NerdyNoodle ago
I really really hope you're wrong. There is a TON of evidence on Weiner's laptop which may have become relevant to the new DOJ.
Sec137 ago
The Weiner case is legitimate.
AreWeSure ago
That's not really how it works.
How do you know that what is on Weiner's laptop is relevant outside of his one case?
This article to mean reads like his case is limited and not the lynchpin that people are hoping for. https://www.wsj.com/articles/prosecutors-weigh-child-pornography-charges-against-anthony-weiner-1485894771
NerdyNoodle ago
I know because of this: http://truepundit.com/breaking-bombshell-nypd-blows-whistle-on-new-hillary-emails-money-laundering-sex-crimes-with-children-child-exploitation-pay-to-play-perjury/
"NYPD detectives and a NYPD Chief, the department’s highest rank under Commissioner, said openly that if the FBI and Justice Department fail to garner timely indictments against Clinton and co- conspirators, NYPD will go public with the damaging emails now in the hands of FBI Director James Comey and many FBI field offices."
AreWeSure ago
I would content you know less because of that article or that you know things that aren't.
Like the OP mentions about an FBI agent, it's simply not plausible that a NYPD chief who has inside information and wants to rock the boat would not go to an actual influential media source like the many who are headquarted in NYC.
MolochHunter ago
We dont for sure but Huma Abedin is reputed to have backed up a bunch of her clinton emails on Weiner's laptop.
AreWeSure ago
yes, but the FBI went through those prior to the election. That review is finished. The majority of them were emails they had looked at months earlier. Duplicates.
Chatman ago
Mods remove rule #2 no source
SturdyGal ago
Also I like OP calling the Bureau 'the Bu'. I think I will call it the Boo.
BadGuacamoleTV ago
I'm kinda wondering why / how my earlier comment was deleted.
SayWhatNOWAY ago
I notice up and down votes are not adding or applying( - ) points to posts?
PizzaGate711 ago
Is that you Paul Krugman?
SayWhatNOWAY ago
ROFL! My thoughts exactly!
PizzaDestroyer ago
If this is a post is "from a place of empathy", then why does OP feel the need to then tell her readers that they do "bad investigating"? Why try lecture us on "facts" and "fake news" when you're just trying to do us a favor? Honestly, it seems like OP is the one that needs to start doing the research.
SayWhatNOWAY ago
I am calling this total BS! Trump tweeted about trafficking, ect a few years ago. Trump is on this! Arrests have been happening, so try again! If you are telling the truth then why hide your identity!
SturdyGal ago
My spidey sense sees a bottle of good grade Vodka halfway gone. This person is Old School.
BadGuacamoleTV ago
Hey, dude.. I'm ABSOLUTELY SUSPICIOUS OF CLAIMS OF CLINTONS being arrested, but There were ALREADY arrests announced today (glen beck announced).... So... STFU.
SturdyGal ago
Hey Guac, I liked your sick rant very much. You seemed extremely focused even though you were sick. Feel better.
AreWeSure ago
Um dude. All trafficking is not pizzagate. Pizzagate is or should be a specific case.
You can have those arrests happen and there be no pizzagate investigation. Both of these can be true.
BadGuacamoleTV ago
We are on to #Pedogate now.. Where have you been?
AreWeSure ago
Is that a specific case?
BadGuacamoleTV ago
That's the entire zeitgeist of pedos in power.
Piscina ago
Why are you here if you don't believe in pizzagate?
FriesischShipping ago
Right? What a broad shilly statement too. Pizzagate is merely a hashtag we use whenever someone uncovers evidence for the existence of (1) pervert pedophiles (2) religious/satanic pedophiles and (3) child trafficking scumbags in it for the blackmail $$$. What exactly about Pizzagate does she think is not real about any of that?
spicitoarbos ago
I can't speak for the OP. Maybe some of us are here because we consider pizzagate to be real, but are nonetheless to scientific minded to blindly believe. Questioning everything is what brought us here. If we can not have an open discussion about our doubts, we will never know where our evidence is weak.
spicitoarbos ago
Thank you for taking the time and writing all this. I would love to see a more serious / scientific approach to the investigation myself.
From what I know, the term "chickenlover" was identified as legitimate gay/pedo slang term very early on. The whole pizza/pasta/cheese code has always been speculative. People in the investigating community seem to have the tendency to forget that. Unfortunately there is a confirmation loop, where occurrences of speculative code words create a suspicion, that is then confirmed by the occurrence of the same code words somewhere else. This is only going to be worse in the future, since we are starting to see the use off pizza and ping pong themes in commercials. (e.g. Pizza Hut and DHS) If the code words have not been in use before, they surely are now.
Piscina ago
If you'd been following,you'd know that the word 'chicken lovers' was also referenced in a book relating to child porn. Go away, you're wasting our time.
save_thechildren ago
Most of the code words were learned from an official FBI document.
spicitoarbos ago
I second the request for a source! I'm not questioning you're statement. I would really love to know if it is based on more than circular reference.
Don-Keyhote ago
Just today someone posted an old book mentioning chicken as code. I also went directly to cP from a real pizza place site from Chicago called Giordanos. They hashtagged a lil girl pic #foodporn, it's not hard to spot bro
spicitoarbos ago
I'm aware of the historic use of the slang term chicken and its variations. What I want is a source for the implied pizzagate code lingo other than the Podesta emails. Two source principle. Let me be clear, I'm on board with the investigation, I just really want this to be solid, waterproof.
SturdyGal ago
Well you're not so inexperienced that you don't post at ungodly hours when mods aren't around to delete your post that breaks all the rules. You are probably not a paid shill because they usually don't write so much. You are a sincere shill who disdains the people not in the know. When you're not an insider, you take the scraps you get and see if they might be worth anything. I would rather believe that I am a nutcase who got this whole thing wrong and I just need to get some Xanax and stay away from the computer. But if we are not right on the money in fact, we are correct about the sick social gestalt and psyche of corruption and abuse of children.
Phenomenonanon ago
Why don't you stick around and take look at some of the more recent digging being done here. While I agree with a few of your points, you seem to be a victim of your own biases, based on what you've relayed in this post anyways. NYTimes didn't do any investigation, they set up a strawman and knocked it down. That has been the 'source' of information for every subsequent article from snopes to Wikipedia.
Have you not read any of the pedosta emails? And if so, are you going to sit there with a straight face and tell me they aren't using codewords?
detfrank ago
You spend a lot of time telling us that we are on the wrong tract. If you are who you say you are maybe you should look at what are facts . You lost me as an expert by telling us " Nothing to see here,move along". Not sure what your credentials but I am retired Law enforcement. I know that given all the evidence that has been exposed related to Pizzagate I would be mandated to report it officially!. So knock off your bullshit!
AreWeSure ago
What's your thesis of the crime and how would you write up your probable cause?
ArthurEdens ago
Blah blah blah times infiniti
AreWeSure ago
I was just discussing that Weiner case seems like a limited case and not a sweeping case. Based on this article and perhaps some others https://www.wsj.com/articles/prosecutors-weigh-child-pornography-charges-against-anthony-weiner-1485894771
My thesis was not popular. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1619821/7906567
Somebody today was trying to argue that he could find no evidence that Hillary Clinton wasn't see in public since the inauguration. She went to a Broadway play this week, the Today Show did a piece about her next plans, etc. All evidence you could find in a few minutes.
PureH2O ago
Complete BS!
Sec137 ago
I saw many people swallowing FBI Anon on the_donald, and I found this place by searching FBI Anon and saw people here buying it as well.
What is the bulk that's not baseless? I've not said pedophilia rings are a fiction. And from my reading, the majority of people here believe the foundational bullshit that is "sauce" and "pasta" and "cheese," etc.
Don-Keyhote ago
That's easily disprovable you shill moron. No one mentions pasta and sauce at all. Did u know that in prison they'll bash our your teeth and fuck your mouth? It'll be Friday everydAy for you
Phenomenonanon ago
Did you read the original fbianon post from around July of last year? That is the one that people believe was legit. http://pastebin.com/hgW5q5Kx
Beaucephus ago
I find it hard to argue against everything you've said except for the comment stating, "the idea that people are being paid to post negative things here / ridiculous", I can assure you there are paid posters not only on Voat but on every single populated board on the internet.
As an aside, curious to know what you would say of Sandy Hook. Real or Hoax?
Flat_Truth ago
It was real. The shooter was a 6 foot tall, 112 lb. male. What, you don't think that's possible? On an anorexia site, I found a girl who was 5'11" and 112 lbs.....closest I could find. She was in rough shape...hard to imagine her donning body armor, packing an arsenal while busting down doors and pulling off a kill ratio no trained military or law enforcement could ever dream of. Other than her, I found a story on the news that was released after Sandy Hook....about a man 5'8" who weighed 79 lbs, he was a fitness freak with a daily regiment of 2000 sit ups. Amazing.....and its not like our news is theater or anything. Those stories on the news are true. A witness at the Pulse Night Club shooting saw a "bullet bigger than your finger" sticking out of his friend's leg. The .223 bullets in an AR15 are about as big as your pinky nail. But no, our news couldn't be just theater.....could it? BTW, "flagrante delicto" in Latin means "caught in the act" or "caught red handed"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dqjjASSWo
goodguy1367 ago
Have an upvoat sir! Yes of Course everything on the news is real and of course I believe everything they say is real 😂 Yea right.. just as real as steel beams getting "too hot" in 9/11.
Edit:spelling
AreWeSure ago
Without re-arguing details of 9/11, you do know that that fireproofing of structural steel is an entire industry right? That it's part of construction codes all over the world? That it's been known for decades what happens if you build large structures of bare steel and a fire occurs and the steel gets too hot? In the 1960's there was a massive fire at a convention center in Chicago. The steel had some fireproofing but the main floor did not have sprinklers which would have helped keeped temperatures down. The whole ceiling of this steel structure collapsed in the fire.
https://i0.wp.com/chicagoareafire.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/IMG_0374-Edit-496x600.jpg
Flat_Truth ago
And these people don't just do their charades on camera....for centuries, they've been doing live performances in public and that's still a key factor to their game. Speaking of Sandy Hook...when that Halbig character went to the school board meeting to ask some valid questions....the "news" had already framed anyone like him a "conspiracy theorist" and crazy with their contrived broadcasts......then at the meeting, there were actors....one guy dressed up in a tri corner hat, acting the fool....and of course the "news" showed him raising a Gadsden flag (don't tread on me) up the flagpole in front of the building. Inside, weird guy befriended Halbig and sat next to him...Halbig unaware of the wicked games that are played acted cordially. When it came time to talk....freak dude got up before Halbig and had the same questions but sounded like an idiot. Then Halbig got up with his questions....then another woman there got up with the same concerns and kept going on about her "mental illness" she suffered from.......and the last to speak was a well dressed authoritative figure to close, framing the whole picture of Halbig's concerns as absurd. Viola! Magick! The illusion was cast...the image created. But if you accuse them of colluding on that, they will lie and call you crazy. In days of old it was called witchcraft....but people don't know that...because those same witches have cast the illusion through programming of what witchcraft is. Such as Colbert, talking about the supbowl coin toss where the coin didn't actually flip...it went up and it came right back down.....his script read "100 years ago they'd of burned you at the stake for witchcraft".....the connotation being that's what witchcraft is/was. No, what Colbert just did...casting the illusion witch craft is something other than what it is.....that is what witch craft is. lol
Flat_Truth ago
Or Benghazi was a protest over an internet video....Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, Putin shot down a passenger jet, Assad used chemical weapons on school children, Trump is a racist, Obama got Osama, and on and on. lol Yeah, it really is make believe, damn near everything on the news....with many decades of psychological research behind what is produced and aired. There, you can see how things tie together, with Sigmund Freud's nephew Edward Bernays being so involved with deception through broadcast clear back to Woodrow Wilson....and the Podesta's staying at another relative of Freud's over in Portugal. Anyways...its complicated to try and explain...would have to make a whole book!! lol But here's another example from just the other day.....is it by chance these two "news stories" were aired same day in different parts of the country? The stories hold a lot of subliminal connotation....a certain type of person is being portrayed as cool......and the whole thing is to endear the viewers to the current public school system that's in place. Currently, people see that and think its just an inside look to something that happened....when its usually a scripted and staged event. Even with Obama on the Kimmel show doing slow jam....people think he just showed up to visit and did that on the fly.....nope, its scripted and rehearsed, designed for your brainwashing pleasure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-13FOHGRcA&feature=youtu.be
Sec137 ago
Do you have proof that people are being paid?
There are people at the Bu with PTSD from what they saw in Connecticut, and there is nothing in Sandy Hook truth that can't be disproved. I am not at the teat of the establishment--I do what I do because since I was a kid I've been unable to tolerate injustice, my hero was Robin Hood--but there's nothing to the Sandy Hook stories. "Inconsitencies" and "proof" are easily explained. I'm not as immediately conversant with it though, i.e. my memory as to the specifics isn't great. As is obvious, I have a thing for reading about conspiracies. I read about that one long ago.
Phenomenonanon ago
@Sec137 Yes https://np.reddit.com/r/shills/comments/4kdq7n/astroturfing_information_megathread_revision_8/?st=ixhqirhl&sh=617118f1
Beaucephus ago
thank you for saving this. I put in my bookmark for future reference.
Beaucephus ago
The "shills" being paid to post are evident when you know what you're looking for. I have baited several into conversation, then went a direction that could yield immediate response from someone not operating with a rule-book. However, in several instances I have seen a time frame of 1.5 hours for a response. Apparently that is the time frame involved in getting new initiative response from their superior/superiors.
A glaring realization of the SH event is the following (which gets deleted in many forums I post it within). The following is a post that I have copied to put out on as many channels as I can. It has even been deleted here on Voat, so don't expect it to stay long...
The SH production is the most censored event I've come across. I won't even type out the word because it will be automatically blocked from view. I will post this here, but it will probably get deleted or you won't be able to see it.
the fact is the media was given full privilege to create and distribute completely fabricated news. Here is the document: http://amendments-rules.house.gov/amendments/THORNB_024_xml514121456525652.pdf
That is from a .gov website. It is not doctored and written in plain English.
Pay special attention to page 5 & 6. The "Rule of Construction" means "how to interpret this document".
RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in this section shall be construed to prohibit the Department of State or the Broadcasting Board of Governors from engaging in ANY MEDIUM OR FORM OF COMMUNICATION, either directly or indirectly, because a United States domestic audience is or may be thereby exposed to program material, or based on a presumption of such exposure.
Mass shootings (1982-2008) 42 mass shooting Mass shootings starting Dec. 14 2011 to present - 22 (The day after this bill went into effect. See date at bottom of bill and know it takes exactly 7 months before a bill can be enacted. if you don't believe me, I will direct you to that information as well)
That is over a 430% increase in mass shootings in the last 3.5 years compared to the previous 30 years.
It's time to finally admit that something is absolutely not right here.
Source: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data?
Flat_Truth ago
They are being done with actors. Hospitals, churches, police departments and others involved in areas these large scale, highly funded operations have been occurring.
Beaucephus ago
I believe less is more when it comes to hoaxes. 90% of the event is filmed in a studio, then the other 10% takes place in the affected area. When people see squad cars and flashing lights and a few reporters, their memory of events will convince them the stuff they didn't see must have just been taking place somewhere beyond their field of observation.
That's why they always say there were 2 or more hospitals involved. Because when people at hospital 1 think, "Well, I didn't see any of those people" they will assume they were just at the other hospital.
When police say, "I've never seen that guy", they will assume he is with a different department or agency.
These are very concentrated efforts where maybe 30 people are taking the lead roles and making the other 100 or more people believe it's real. Then it gets put on TV and millions believe its real, with actual eye-witnesses testifying to it's authenticity even though they didn't actually see anything that would truly convince a skeptical viewer.
Flat_Truth ago
yep, and theater is not just done on the TV, although that opened to door to some powerful magic. For example, that nurse who testified before congress about Saddam's forces. She got up there and cried (Schumer tears) as she told of seeing his forces come into her hospital, stab pregnant women through the stomach and threw babies onto the floor. Several senators there for the scene helped with the act...the "news" aired it and the illusion was created...people believe it...and President Bush went on to use it as a primary talking point to con everyone into war to stop the atrocities....but the nurse wasn't a nurse....she a daughter of an Ambassador.....learning political theater, but never really been to Iraq. Witch craft.
AreWeSure ago
I need a cigarette.
SturdyGal ago
You always make me laugh, AreWeSure. Usually because your dogged integrity but this time because you have found a soul mate.
Sec137 ago
I don't read threads about mods, that's all.
Lets_be_Real ago
tagging NYT for the best outlet to use makes your 'novel' smell like a stockyard. if this guy was lo level enough have the time or inclination to monitor & post here, he's low enough not to see everything going under fbi's roof. it's common knowledge that different field offices actually go to war with each other to keep other offices out of their business. i wonder if this guy got transferred OUT of the FLA office post-election.
Sec137 ago
New York FO has been "at war" recently, yes.
I'm female.
I don't monitor, I read because it's like the Twilight Zone. I'm writing on a Sunday night on my own time because I've seen people so goddamn excited about this coming twilight of the elites. Why the hell wouldn't I have any free time? I'm certainly not busy getting ready to arrest any baby-eating pedophiles.
Shit test what I wrote if it's a stockyard. It's provable. The "codewords," as one example, are not. As I said, the government works for you: file some records requests to determine whether your codewords are real.
MolochHunter ago
im just curious then what you beleive to be a pizza related map?
Im not saying thats enough for any kind of conviction, but I am emphatic that its a matter of profound public safety for the FBI to use their powers - the kind that can find more definitive evidence than an online community might tend to dredge - to verify whether our concerns have merit
And the reasons our concerns have merit is that in successive past scandals - Larry King, Epstein, Hastert - the 'procurer' of the children got hung out to dry without any of the Washington DC clientel going down with them.
SturdyGal ago
If you have any influence at all, would you quit doing crap pdf drops on your vault page? Give your leaks to WikiLeaks who at least knows how to format material so somebody can research it. You all release media like lawyers from the 1800s.
Also, to be clear, I am not believing you are who you say you are. I am using your post for an opportunity to bitch about poor formatting of material.
derram ago
https://archive.is/qbuwo :
This has been an automated message.
BarryOSeven ago
Did not read all of it because I consider something bullshit with claims like this
Just one question: How do you know there is no investigation? The rest is trivial.
Shills who use Occam's Razer to explain a conspiracy are libtard tier stupid. In a conspiracy you would find Occam's Razor and do something else because people like OP are going to apply it to explain.
Sec137 ago
Brought up Occam to bring up Maslow.
As I explained, I am professionally situated. I fully expected people to call bullshit, which is fine. It's an anonymous messageboard I read for entertainment.
BarryOSeven ago
You know what your claims imply right? You should have really valid arguments other than: "I'm professionally located"
From my point of view you could be professionally located at CREW.
If there is no investigation we're being duped. That would imply a possibility of civil war. You better think of better arguments than "I'm professionally located so I know the truth and you don't"
AreWeSure ago
What would imply civil war?
BarryOSeven ago
If they are duping us. Keeping us busy while trying to find a way to get this over with.
Too much information is out there at this point. Maybe it's to soon to claim a possible civil war but civil unrest will happen if they ignore this imho.
AreWeSure ago
Who's doing the duping?
ThePuppetShow ago
You're doing the duping.
BarryOSeven ago
Don't know and I hope it's not happening. But if OP is right and US gov is in the know but have no intent on researching it we have a major problem.
That's why I'm so critical on OP. It would throw everything upside down.
We need to remember shills are trying to make Trump supporters mistrust him so democrats can stage a coup with support of the people. (or something like that, they are trying to destroy trust in Trump for weeks now)
Posts like these could be very harmful. An argument like "I'm professionally located" is not enough in this case imho.
AreWeSure ago
That's why I'm so critical on OP. It would throw everything upside down.
This is a very big and philosophical point. But I think the dupers are not who you think.
AreWeSure ago
OP can answer, but I don't read her as saying this
But if OP is right and US gov is in the know but have no intent on researching it we have a major problem.
She is not saying the US gov has evidence and are refusing to investigate. OP is saying you've been duped by some guy on 4chan and the community of Trump fans who wanted to believe that guy went off in search of things that could make it real. OP is saying there's no pizzagate investigation because the facts are very far away from the suppositions posited on this board. There's no reasonable suspicion to justify an investigation because the key evidence was made up on the internet.
She also mentioned a few specific failings of the board that are keeping it from having a useful investigation. One is Maslow's hammer. The quote is "I suppose it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail." This is forcing facts into your scenario or not thinking more broadly.
Two. The need to test your theories --- shit test your hunches and direction. Investigations begin with partial information and it's quite easy to get things wrong and if you did, your whole direction can be screwed because of early mistakes that lock you into one perspective. This is why doubt is important.
She mentions scenario lock. How much time have people wasted on this board claiming Comet Ping Pong has a basement. How long did they defend it when contrary evidence appeared.
ThePuppetShow ago
It's interesting you call OP a she. Do you know this person?
AreWeSure ago
Isn't it. It's also interesting that OP mentioned that. On this very post, I believe. Or perhaps her post from a few days ago.
ThePuppetShow ago
I missed the comment where OP stated she is female, you are correct about that.
iamthepizzanow ago
You not reading it makes your reply as baseless as your interpretation of the OP.
You call shill while looking like a shill yourself.
Put in some effort.
BarryOSeven ago
Try to answer it right here:
OP claims there is no investigation. I'm looking forward to the arguments in favor of the claim. I'm not interested in the rest of the bullshit.
The application of Occam's Razor is enough to decide to not poison the brain with the rest of the bullshit. The only people I have seen using it in tinfoil world were libtards or shills.
AreWeSure ago
Can you state your objection to Occam's Razor more clearly?
It reads like you don't like it because it used by people who disagree with you. Is that it basically?
BarryOSeven ago
I like Occam's Razor. But not in a conspiracy.
In science it's applicable because it's based on logic.
In a conspiracy you are working hard to make people think it's something else than it is. You would avoid the easiest solution at all times to avoid being caught, it's just how you should conspire.
If we would apply Occam's Razor to 9/11 it would still be Al Quada.
AreWeSure ago
If we would apply Occam's Razor to 9/11 it would still be Al Quada.
That is genius.
Gigabump ago
I was hearing you until you said New York Times. You keep your nose to the grindstone at work, ok.
Sec137 ago
Have you noticed that people will post Washington Post articles or New York Times article that have valuable information that supports their theories, but claim they're fake news when they publish articles that don't? I've seen it in threads here.
Felt and his compadres leaked to the New York Times.
Beaucephus ago
NYT = Carlos Slim Carlos Slim = Micro Loans Micro Loans = Debt Debt = Default Default = Bad things to the debtor / Kidneys for repayment / Sex trading / Child Trafficking
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/your-money-or-your-life-the-kidney-trade/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/may/27/kidney-trade-illegal-operations-who http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/americas/poor-pay-the-price-in-global-illegal-organ-transplant-trade
Plenty of articles out there. Pieces aren't hard to assemble.
FriesischShipping ago
Right? Post a working hypothesis on this board and it gets deleted for rule violation. This is a limited hang out and this poster is really naive or shilling if she thinks that's not what's going on here.
Gigabump ago
May want to go back and research H.R. 5181 ... It's pretty crucial to your argument and you have no idea it exists. Since 12/23/16. You should also research what can happen to a company when there is a change of ownership. Good day, ma'am.
AreWeSure ago
Think folks know who Felt is?
There's also supposed to NYPD sources predicting such an investigation. I live in NY and have mentioned that on it's absurd on its face for a real NYPD source who is willing to rock to board to leak to a place like 4chan when they live in a media capital and would be heard by the most powerful media institutions in the country and they could pick who to go to.
Sec137 ago
I imagine many people who are interested in the misdeeds of the powerful have read about Deep Throat at one time or another.
Don-Keyhote ago
I actuAlly did my dissertation on deepthraot and acknowledged your mother as a valuable source
SayWhatNOWAY ago
Omg! :-p
AreWeSure ago
Also if you want to elaborate on actual investigation techniques and the use of doubt and shit testing, that probably would be useful.
Antonius ago
Which of the Podesta bros. paid you to write this?
Sec137 ago
The one with the Louise Bouregois sculpture that is an obvious reference to/play on an historical kook-science concept known as the "arch of hysteria" or "hysteria's arch"; the one created long before the Dahmer photos were ever made public. I have looked into the claims made here,
AreWeSure ago
Folks here don't know who Louis Bourgeois is. Folks here didn't know what Tickets to the Whitney meant.
Another request, can you talk about the value of Instagram comments in a real investigation.
ThePuppetShow ago
Your reading skills must be shit, I know you've been around long enough to know this has been discussed MANY times. Why would you lie/misrepresent if you're so certain you're right? Seems everyone against pizzagate are a bunch of pathological liars, OP included. Ive personally pushed #chickenlover as being the only code word that has been proven. Nobody really involved in this investigation would ever tell you the FBI released those words. The FBI released the symbols. The words were guesses on what the fuck they were talking about in some of the emails. You know all this, you've been around shilling long enough, you're just a liar.
AreWeSure ago
This is a no true scotsman argument.
Obviously the food code was a giant part of the beginning of pizzagate. And it still is and it's still quoted on this board every day
ThePuppetShow ago
You're full of shit. You know damn well that "food code" was all just guessing on what they were talking about, you just choose to push lies to further your agenda. Care to explain how you know the OP is a she? She's a memebr of your team and you just sold her out because you're horrible at what you do?
AreWeSure ago
The whole thing is guessing. And these guesses have hardened into beliefs for many people.
Do you not know people still reference the food code all the time on this board? That it's still a part of the executive summary sticky post? That this is listed on the timeline of major events on the pizzagate wiki.
John Podesta is asked, "Do you think I’ll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?"
I sold out OP? You're terrible at conjecture. Notice how you have gone from question --- How do I know OP is a she? --- to terrible guess. ----She's a member of your team and you just sold her out
No. She identified herself as a woman in one of her posts.
ThePuppetShow ago
None of those places you named claim that the "food code" was anything other than investigative guess work. Yes, new people and shills still come to this forum and try to push that it's FBI code, they are misinformed or shilling. It's obvious what you're doing here.
AreWeSure ago
The rest of all the other evidence is meaningless with the food code not being code.
How does this whole structure not collapse if you have zero evidence the podestas or alefantis are involved in child trafficking?
ThePuppetShow ago
What is a handkerchief that seems to be pizza related? If it was just a handkerchief left by someone why would it be necessary to contact people about it rather than just tossing it? Why do they randomly refer to food out of context if they arent speaking in code? Why #chickenlover? Why would James refer to himself as a chicken hawk? Why do you insist a citizen investigation is supposed to be able to provide a abused child when parts of the federal government are working hard to hide it? Don't believe the federal government is doing that? See the Franklin investigation and the finders. Why were their kids being pushed as "entertainment" in a pool party full of adults? Why was the same woman pimping her kid out on webcam? Why was there a little girl taped to a table on JA's instagram? Why do you insist repeatedly discussing the stuff you know isnt solid evidence instead of addressing the stuff that is. It's obvious they were speaking in code, that's where the guessing came in to figure out the code. This is standard investigation procedure. Why do you insist that it isnt?
AreWeSure ago
Dude your argument against the food code contains several references to it.
All the stuff you mention is not "solid evidence." At least not of pedophilia, child trafficking, rape, murder, cannabalism and all the other fantasies people attached to it.
Without the food code = OMG, they are talking about SEX WITH KIDS! then none of the other stuff jumps out. "pimping her kids on webcam?" Ridiculous.
Only Chickenlover in list is plausible. The rest is a completely tendentious forcing of square evidence into your round hole. The hole only seems round because of the food code.
ThePuppetShow ago
The definition of the words don't have to be the same for them to be talking about trafficking. Every last one of them could be completly different in meaning and some could be nothing. 99% of them could be nothing and the 1 word that is something could mean something completly different than the "food code". You're just too busy trying to create a strawman argument.
AreWeSure ago
Not attempting to create a strawman. I think it's nonsense to pretend people are talking in code because you don't understand references in their emails.
It's called Arguing from Ignorance or Arguing from Incredulity. The idea that a vauge description that you don't understand of a handkerchief you have never seen must be code is very, very far from Occam's Razor
ThePuppetShow ago
It's obvious they're speaking in code. It's ridiculous you think you can somehow change that. You've done nothing but push this code word strawman since you've got here. I've given you plenty of reasons why it doesn't matter and all you're doing is repeating yourself over and over, never answering any questions. Why are you trolling if you aren't a shill?
AreWeSure ago
I'm not trolling. I believe you are wrong.
FriesischShipping ago
I'm sorry you're an educated New York law school graduate that failed the bar and is stuck working the weekend shift for CTR as a troll.
AreWeSure ago
Nope. Not a lawyer, never went to law school. I do like logic though.
I work in software. Doing some work tonight but a lot procrastinating.
FriesischShipping ago
Shill work on the side, nice, hope you're spending it on microbrews, American spirits and YAYO,
AreWeSure ago
Having you heard? Headquarters wants us to drink Budweiser now. Not sure why.
FriesischShipping ago
You're not denying you work for CTR then?
AreWeSure ago
CTR is not a software company. That's my industry.
FriesischShipping ago
Yawn, your story's boring.
Sec137 ago
I'm not sure what the mod situation is.