This is infuriating: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1569388
We need a new strategy to ensure that the evidence we share never disappear. I suggest we create a GiT repository for pizzagate.
What is GiT? GiT is a decentralized open source version control system. You can add as many files as you want in your GiT "repository". Any change to the files in the repository is kept. Nothing is ever destroyed unless you go out of your way to destroy it. Even if something gets removed from the repository, the history of the original file is kept.
Why would it help us? Thanks to its decentralized nature, all users can have their own up to date copy of the "main" repository. This means that if the main repository is taken down, the data is not lost.
How could we use it?
- archive.is allow us to download a zip archive of any page we save (see this comment https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1569388/7648430))
- You should continue saving to archive.is.
- Then you download the zip file
- Then you put the zip file in your local pizzagate repository
- And you "push" (this is a GiT term) your changes to the main remote repository.
- A group of tech saavy people should be in charge of the main repository. (to moderate it and to keep the content well organized)
Of course we would need a nicely wrtiten tutorial to help non techy users to understand how to use GiT properly.
Your thoughts?
144SansRetour ago
Does anyone know how to create a Zeronet site? This could be used as a decentralized p2p of ALL pizzagate related files. Then could we have the mods of /v/pizzagate link to it from the sidebar and executive summary?
144SansRetour ago
Also don't forget Bitmessage! it's a VERY easy to use messenger that has chans-- each participant of a chan receives redundant copies of all documents, so it's a highly decentralized method of disseminating and backing up information. Also, images can be encoded in html Base64 format that is recognized within the Bitmessage client and displayable as an image.
144SansRetour ago
Use Bitmessage for redundant storage via "chans". In Bitmessage, you can create chans, and all users of that chan will receive redundant copies of materials being posted to it.
Alternatively, you can use Zeronet, which is an uncensorable blogging/site network that has distributed DNS (i.e. so they physically can't take your domain name away from you, even if they want to).
newworldahead ago
Git is not a hosting solution. Git repositories are decentralized. You can setup as many mirrors as you want. Voat users can also very easily have complete repositories on their own computer.
0000000001 ago
IPFS can do video, images and markdown sites. I vote IPFS.
0000000001 ago
GIT is just as bad.
Any website on the current internet can be taken down. It is too centralised, too corrupted.
We should use p2p protocols that are censorship resistant. I have been following IPFS https://ipfs.io/ for a while and think this could be potentially what we need, if only as an image host. I'm still fairly new on IPFS, if theres interest I can research further into applications of IPFS.
newworldahead ago
You confuse Git with Github. The latter is a hosting website for git repositories. The former is an opensource software which is dencentralized in its nature.
dickface8 ago
Shit just got real...
asdfghjkl123456789 ago
At a minimum, save stuff you find on your computer, so it's stored somewhere.
eyeVoated ago
What is the archiving strategy for wikileaks?
ThePizzaInvestigator ago
I could set up a git repository, but it may be more practical to use IPFS to archive stuff instead.
T2VQw2 ago
why not just use Internet Archive?
gittttttttttttttttt ago
I tried telling the community archive.is was comprimised and one of the shill mods deleted it! I don't think the mod is still here. I already have a git repo going every day on a cron job of all voat posts: https://gitlab.com/pizzascraper/pizzagate-scraper
Archive.is brought in cloudflare to block all external URL's from being archived which my bot was doing. I don't have the space or funds to backup all external URL's just voat URL's. All external URL's are going into a txt file though currently but that isn't good enough. Some person said they were going to send $100 bitcoin and never did. If someone wants to help me financially I will rent a VPS with more space to backup all external URL's as well. Just DM me.
Non tech users can download a full zip without cloning
https://gitlab.com/pizzascraper/pizzagate-scraper/repository/archive.zip?ref=master
If you have questions or suggestions let me know. A lot of what was mentioned in this post is already being done.
newworldahead ago
This is awesome! I think I stumbled into your repository in the past but I didn't know it was still active. The only very important things missing are the external URLs, it needs to be done, but I understand the cost issue. GitLab has a limit of 10 gig, not so bad. If we forget about archiving youtube videos, I wonder how long would it take to reach this amount.
gittttttttttttttttt ago
Thanks. It was on the sidebar but sidebar has been cleaned up. It is still in the resources link https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1517819 .
Yes gitlab has a 10gb limit. We are currently at 376M in archives/ folder. I am not sure if they count the .git objects which brings us to 677mb. I am zipping the post which is reducing file size by 90%. If we do external links we will increase size by a lot since there is a lot more external links in comments etc then there is voat posts. I can set up a git server as well. I just need the funds. I have the expertise. We may even need to use something other than git. Git starts lagging hard once it hits gigabytes. I encourage everyone to backup locally everything you see that is important.
Also do not forget this repo. Thousands of important files are in it.
https://gitlab.com/lurduyor/pizzagate
download link for non tech users or people who want faster downloads:
https://gitlab.com/lurduyor/pizzagate/repository/archive.zip?ref=master
gittttttttttttttttt ago
Also if you know any other archive sites ( preferably smaller ) let me know. archive.is, archive.fo, archive.org, google cache won't work to make POST requests. It was working for a bit but I think they cracked down because of pizzagate. I could send post requests to back them up. But we still are at risk of deletion trusting third parties.
We may need to take things down to the deep web. If anyone knows any archive sites on the deep web let me know.
lawexaminer ago
Look at how wikileaks deals with this problem: http://wikileaks.openanthropology.org/Mirrors.html
The investigation needs to do the same - employ a mirrored backup system.
newworldahead ago
Yes, this is great. Thanks for sharing that. I think in our case it's the GiT repository itself that should be mirrored on different servers. This would be much better than asking Voat users to keep an up-to-date copy of the repository on their own computer.
lawexaminer ago
Seafile is a GIT based file syncing application https://www.seafile.com/
newworldahead ago
Who talked about github? I think we should use the GiT technology. As to where the main repository should be hosted, I have no idea.
EQJ ago
This is a comment in the original thread. Looks like someone was able to access successfully [–] humongadunga 0 points (+0|-0) 1.4 hours ago (edited 59 minutes ago) The archives might be down but the original URLs are still up. I just made image captures of the contents on these web pages, will be uploading shortly.
Edit: Now Uploaded
https://sli.mg/Y3pa1b -- Tony Podesta | Facebook
https://sli.mg/f0vCRD
https://sli.mg/uu5rOD -- Page Not Found | Facebook
https://sli.mg/dAwdf7 -- David Halperin - A new generation of leadership....
https://sli.mg/soa6z9 -- Chilling eating a cucumber from the garden. - Oliver Friendly
birthdaysuit11 ago
WTF, these people are screwing these babies. The FINDERS never died, they groom these children and use them for sex purposes. I mean look at some of the freaking comments, it's obvious.
pizzagate4real ago
There have already been several git repositories created for this purpose...they always seem to get lost/forgotten about...
newworldahead ago
You're right. This needs to be automated then. Voat has an API. I haven't check it, but perhaps it would be possible to use it to archive threads as well as the links it contains and put it all on the GiT repository... Hmm, I'll do some research on this.
gittttttttttttttttt ago
Voat API won't work. They aren't giving out keys last time I checked. Check my comment. You are speaking about what I already did.
voatsucksreally ago
This is another reason why I built citizeninvestigators.org evidence is being censored everywhere, and we have already lost so much information in the last couple of months. The site archives information people post by tags so that anyone can go back and find information related to any topic that's been discussed quickly and easily. Check it out if you haven't seen it yet.
TRUTHWARRIOR ago
The sandyhookjusticereport.com no longer exists due to threats made to wolfgang halbigs family. If your site is taken down, where goes the data?
voatsucksreally ago
I never heard of that site or heard about threats made to them, when did that happen? I backup the entire database multiple times a day. If the site gets taken down, the data won't be lost. The only instance where data will be lost is if users post it as a link via a third party site (like archive.is) and it is then taken from the 3rd party. So users will need to make sure they are uploading the content to the site, and not just linking to it externally. Other than that, we will also need to rely on everyone making backups of their information externally/locally.
TRUTHWARRIOR ago
That's good to know and the Sandy Hook website probably came down about 6 or 8 months ago Wolfgang has done phenomenal work Freedom of Information Act hearings many earrings they're all on video they're all documented the whole thing was a f****** joke was a total setup and he's basically had enough of dealing with the state and local police and Department of Homeland Security is just a shitshow so anyways I'm just hoping that if we set up something new here that whatever is going on is safely archive somewhere because all it takes is for a few more phone calls to be made from very scary people and I mean I know if my own family was being threatened it would probably take down the website too
gittttttttttttttttt ago
I tried telling the community archive.is was comprimised and one of the shill mods deleted it! I don't think the mod is still here. I already have a git repo going every day on a cron job of all voat posts: https://gitlab.com/pizzascraper/pizzagate-scraper
Archive.is brought in cloudflare to block all external URL's from being archived which my bot was doing. I don't have the space or funds to backup all external URL's just voat URL's. All external URL's are going into a txt file though currently but that isn't good enough. Some person said they were going to send $100 bitcoin and never did. If someone wants to help me financially I will rent a VPS with more space to backup all external URL's as well. Just DM me.
Non tech users can download a full zip without cloning
https://gitlab.com/pizzascraper/pizzagate-scraper/repository/archive.zip?ref=master
If you have questions or suggestions let me know. A lot of what was mentioned in this post is already being done.
BarryOSeven ago
They blocked access to your git repositories on both URL's, can't clone them btw
BarryOSeven ago
Nice! Just read something about IPFS on Voat. It's a distributed web https://ipfs.io/ If we can push your archives to ipfs we're safe about the real valuable pieces.
After that we need to find a way to backup the youtube video's and other stuff.
We must get this information decentralized asap.
ThePizzaInvestigator ago
Gitlab(The public one) and Github won't work as they both will blindly follow any DMCA requests they receive.
amyrebeccajames ago
I heard that David Brock is connected to Bitcoin. Is that real?
tjarco ago
please read my comment to the 'infuriating' thread https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1569388/7648766
newworldahead ago
I read your comment and still think that this is infuriating (without the quotes).
tjarco ago
haha, I too want to believe this is happening, just lot of question marks. The archived content of OP doesn't by far seem as incriminating as lots of other things archived which made me question the validity of this entire thread...
newworldahead ago
I'll try visiting some other PG related content on archive.is. We never know...
tjarco ago
excellent idea!
so far I was just aware of this http://archive.is/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3649035/Clement-Freud-drank-Maddie-suspect-Robert-Murat-Praia-da-Luz-bar-local-pub-dubbed-Plough-Paedo.html
seems like the older archives are scrubbed, I have never come across any archives not working before, besides dailymail and this thread
Paranoidsbible ago
I wouldn't say compromised. More like receiving multiple DMCA requests and possible legal threats. If a site is hosted in the US, they have to take great pains in following the law or face a lot of fine. It's a good idea, though, to make multiple backups. Including the age old CTRL+S to save copies to your computer itself.
newworldahead ago
You're right. I should not have written "compromised". Should have written something along the lines of "not trustable" instead (even if they are not directly to blame). Too bad I cannot edit my post title.
newworldahead ago
Idea on how to organize the repository:
In the root folder, there could be a folder called "voat". This folder would contain Voat discussions (one sub folder per voat thread). The sub folder name could be the Voat post id. Inside each of these folders, you would find a file containing the voat thread in zip format (each voat thread should be arcihved on archive.is). Another sub folder called "sources" would then contain all archived evidence for this particular voat discussion (images, external web pages, etc).
edited for clarity
amyrebeccajames ago
Can someone create a computer program that would automatically archive every page of Voat and then update it when new comments are added? Is there a way to do that like an RSS feed would send comments to an email or something?